the the hello and welcome across stuck on peter a little hear me discuss them. we'll news as a prisoner exchange for 10 settlement other outstanding issues such as ukraine. and why is the united states sending up low, tell a to protect israel after israel carries out of assassinations. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he is a broadcaster at the go, which means out on youtube and logos and assemble, we have petty x or a month. he is a historian and political commentator or a gentleman cross that rules that affect that needs to get in jeopardy. tell me what, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george and in budapest, i'm a big fan fair about the prison or exchange that you have asked. it was,

and that'd be the number of people that were freed. and the type of people on the good guys came back and only bad guys went back to russia and this mutual name and all of this. yeah, you can dissect it all you want. it's the biggest present exchange since the cold war. but then what struck me most about the prisoner exchange, as it happened at all. and after all, in looking at the exchange diplomacy is possible apparently something that the by the administration hasn't been doing since the 1st day. your thoughts, george. right. you're absolutely right. it's a because what was involved was indeed a very complicated, intricate diplomacy involving a number of different states and very, you know, intricate the logistics and then you are the best question arises. well, if you can do that, if you good, but oh, so much energy into uh, bringing

a home um, a few individual was why don't you use some of that energy to the effect a, a, a peaceful outcome. and of course, that's really the issue that every it's, it's assumed that of course, this is of no significance. this is absolutely a separate issue and he will if i was raised in a news conference with jake sullivan that well, does this mean that those if there's any chance of a negotiations on your credit? no, no, no, no, no, there's not that, that's a separate track. you know that that's it. so this, this is a pad is so important. you know, they've, they've, you know, we have a bite and then harry is flying to meet these individuals with j sullivan and getting all these briefings to reporters. but the much more important them to get all of the, the ideas of, of saving hundreds of thousands of lives. and that's not,

that's not only the agenda that let's, let's just stick to this rather minor issue. then you have to conclude that no, i don't think anything is likely to come out of this. yeah, but i think that's a choice. ok. because under normal circumstances saying, well this is a starting point. the compromises can be found. strategies can be devised that they can shut the door on an absolutely. so it does kind of tell us a little bit more about the intent. i mean, the diplomacy is a one off incentive should be the useful course of a matters between state studies. yes, i think you're right, i think you're both wired. i would, i would add only to is the observations wellness if you'll compare and all of those exchange diplomacy, but with what could be done. but what is not to be done. i've sent regarding the war in ukraine. some of the exchange diplomacy has 2 very interesting features.

presto, for the united states, actually pressure is a very important client or ally if you're going to be polite, namely german, they to do some single gem is absolutely didn't want to do so about ukraine be here again and again the, the account to that because of ukrainians on friday to do that yet, but obviously it is possible to pressure a client to those things, the claims and not ready to do so that has been on lost as a pretext once again. the other thing is, of course, if you think in terms of the off sides of values, right, the reasons, the drum and cited by the didn't bunk to left classical goals. but typically the value of it gets its right. it has to be in sentence, as even has to stay here and so on and so on, and in the end that as well could be overcome. so, hans again, be, see that the 2 things me here again and again about by the comp negotiate about ukraine, but in this case could be easily maybe not easily,

but actually effectively that's, that's right. but i also think that this, unfortunately, even not set an example for ukraine. i think the several reasons. one is a big deal. politics. i think the only thing that we're fine to induce negotiations in the case of ukraine is the defeats by russia. and they've become so obvious that everybody wants to get out and say, what's left to safe and the product is or not, isn't there yet. but the other reason has to do with lobbying. if you look at the exchange diplomacy, one important point is that to be exchange to get onto the list on the rest, on all the american side, you have to have the lobby. so you have to have people talk ok, well you in very important places. now what sort of lobby used to the ukraine inside the avenue stream visited the influential i think they asked for out, that's what they call it in northern america. and then i did states and canada, but unfortunately, yvette too crazy and loved it as loving for war. right. exactly,

for the opposite. we are not trying to save the country by loving funding. good stations become out of the old very tired nationalist strain that goes back to the to interval period and so on. and the state are totally militant and they don't want to see peace. they don't want to see an invitation save on to see war. so i'm also pessimistic. i think this will lots of good stuff like, you know what, george, one of the things that, you know, it's kind of a pain convenient observation is that when diplomacy was applied and then thinking of this them both process. i had a lot, i mean drafts were drawn up, been pages, initials, i mean, you know, it is, you know, it's, it's, it, it is a separate that was actually tried and nobody wants to talk about, you know, the 3 of us knew what was going on and this them bull, this is a few weeks after the conflict least this phase of the complex started. we were talking about it in real time. it took months and months and months for that to see

been to um the main stream, the media because it is so inconvenient now. so we, we have an intricate process exchange multiple countries that because absolutely right, the germans didn't want to let their captive to go, even though he was a war criminal and should have been turned over to uh, to rush it with her cover is open involvement in detection wars and you know, and, but we, we have the ability to do it. it's just a lack of will to do with this that's, that's the major take away for me. i've developed this a positive change. yeah, that's exactly. yeah, that's exactly right. basically the, there, there is a complete lack of will. and um, you know, we, we look now at side of the situation. but the only thing that math is in the west is the, the us presidential election. i mean, the, ultimately there's, there's going to be no movement as a whole until the election is settled. but even then,

it's very unlikely really that whoever is okay, buying the oval office on january the 20th. so 2025 is going to make any real serious moves to bring this war to an end. and that largely that the, there were there was enormously powerful lobbies going from the over the military, the security app, or, uh, the uh, the, the political uh, the leads of washington to move oh, all of these because any kind of a piece will immediately be deemed of surrendering to bolton. you know, is the selling out the ukraine thrown the person said that 20 percent. so he's version of munich. exactly. oh, cool. las duke. right. that's the so, you know, you'd, if, if it's harris who's in the oval office. well, harris, that's the worry about her re election. she doesn't want to go into

a re election. does of the person who a sold out the care? and the or trump drop knows he's already been in peach twice. he would be very much in danger of being based the 3rd time if you saw that making serious move. so it's very like no one other option is will bite them in the last 6 months. think say this will be my like is i'm going to bring this thing to an end. but why should buy the deal that i think bible to say, hey, i'm going to just don't this on my, my success a is going to be as a will come january the 20 of i'll, i'll already be for golfing and everything that will have to be done by a, by the other, so therefore it, there's no incentive tool in the united states do to bring this thing to an end that's, i don't think there are people that are saying like the name of them. they disagree with them. let's go to wanted to do this before a trump administration. this was a window to do with the, the vitamin space. i don't think it makes any sense at all. i think we're looking

at the, the number of people they were exchanging is, is quite copious. and it's very complicated, is it everything fell into place and they decided everything's in place what it's doing now because things can fall apart. that's how i look at it has nothing to do with the administration in united states. a regarding the timing i, i would agree those you'll be the because as, as being such a complicated process, there was also a major heat up when they had advanced quite far and then the volley died and everything was set back. so i think the people involved on the russian side as well had to experience that. but once you have to is actually on the rep to better do it before things fall apart again. so that made sense to me. i would like to to, to definitely watch a little bit from george on one thing. i'd agree it the same that you know, of a deep state to put it to put it simply is interested in continuing the of, or for many, many reasons. but i'm not quite sure that we can be certain that from both not to

make peace. the reason is not that trump has fat to boom at peace. understand can break this. what that's here. the reason is that i think on the trump side, we have really quite a few people who want to wrap this up, or at least leave it to the europeans, which is another option. so that they can entirely try to watch china and maybe towards the middle east in case we don't, it was a big blow up right now, of course, the other thing is, i feel that the georgia supply company is being a peach before. but you could read this the other way around. you could also read trumpet somebody who has learns that impeachment doesn't actually stop here. and trump, in some ways, i think may be even more self confident. now the new version is for us to so, and i'm not entirely disagreeing, but avoided was out the possibility that a trump presidency could perhaps make a difference on the ukrainian issue. okay,

just during that one minute the, the, the, the russians and wanted to leave rest of the ones you made out of the sites. are they a nascent lum government in exile? that's a big question with little time go ahead. i think they are a nascent government things. i don't, and i think that was part of the objective is to create this whole position grouping that will be deemed, you know, well it is like a new car. so to be consulted in the media that you know, about developments and russians. so in this, out of the way, you know, maybe we can think about them in the future to impose them on a, on the defeat the broken rush up. but i feel like i hear going to is giving master classes and government in exile. i mean, and cookie can think of a better place to have a master class. you know, so and, and, and in florida the weather's nice. you know, you know, h, e o l sees around, so it's kind of a, a, it could be a textbook example of how you can do it and how it always fails. sorry, gentlemen, we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

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permission to use them. but i'm also ship out the new model to see if you can show booster must come soon. thank you bill. it's a new go over some new move from which to me just a little got username and then for us do something. so most of the items to somebody to bring you must pick with the stuff i did the meals that the you know, the agenda, blue problem. so kind of show right here. so let me show you. so you

don't have the power to level the welcome back across the sky and people live out here we discussed and we, and it's just as go back to assemble that we're in a very precarious time. right now we have the book, many of these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu go to the united states as if he was the 2nd coming in the us congress, probably the most disgraceful hour in the history of the congress. and at least in my opinion he goes back, then we have a series of very high frightful profile assassinations. of course, um uh, these railey side, and it's a major supporter of the united states. new the new re, uh, reaction. we a tell you ation is about to encourage we're still in that moment right now. what

are your thoughts about how things are playing a i you know, i, i obviously also don't know, i think, but what, what seems obvious to me is what the, as a radius of trying to do. i, i think that is where it is trying to trigger lots of war, but that trying to trigger it slowly around the trying to lead to the wrong and leadership no alternative to the response that is so substantial likes that one they had and hate for right that in the end, it's free the us of why the war and brings him above all the americans. so of course, if immediately applied, then send to use for across carrier strike group and to reinforce the forces in other ways as what i mean. the see, the perversity is a skews of freedom. you off american policy of once again a very clearly it's not new, it's an old play. the get to hear from the bottom administration that bite and has talked really tough of it from that time you all know and told him something. but

at the same time, this administration never, it's so it's, and you'll be a leverage bridge. and this is the, the peak of this pro version would be incredibly easy because it's very that this incredibly dependent on is united states. except of course, that in some very, the whole american establishment is now incredibly dependent on is where it is in my view, the greatest and terms of worst case of subversion of politics, sovereignty democracy, s 5 said to them even make sense and do. and i did states that i can imagine all this talk about russian modeling with american elections is ridiculous. but how does that has matters mastiff leave was the american political process is, of course, is where i'm fortunate to me. that seems to be most stopping it at this point. i hope it will stop one day. yes. very interested in a charge, you know. and then yeah, who's probably the same really the most hated man in israel right now. his foray

into guys is turned into a disaster from it's up to a 100000 people about the back. you wait, the northern part of israel because of these guys furnishes with his blog. and he's speaking of a fight with, uh, uh, the uh, the booth e once the united states to get involved with the iran. so here's the, here's a parent role here with the record is pretty, it's a visual except is ability to influence the american media. and political class, it's really amazing. he's very good at one thing. he's got himself in israel into it in an enormously dangerous situation. george, that's the, that's, that's a very good summary of it is quite extraordinary that, you know, within days israel can resolve this to high profile assassinations. and the united states says, well, we, we have nothing to do with it. you know,

the israel never bother to consult us. however, we don't actually approve and we don't disapprove of what israel that. okay. however, we all sending in our forces because the rom my retaliate, and therefore we are under an obligation to defend israel. well, this doesn't really make any sense or use that, you know, saying that, well is what i just went off, did this thing. and you can either approve no disapproval. what israel did, but you're putting american people on the hook to protect israel, who so who discarded everything. does these things without even consulting you before it doesn't. and then you know, it gets the you have to us. well, what kind of leadership is this? here in the united states? we feel pretty easy for you, but take american people to the brink of rule for a, of a foreign state. and, and this is why it is just

a very dangerous situation. because why exactly is the united states well on very slower will with a run over really actions of this rep? i mean, that's the, that's a and then, and then the by the ministration continues with this nonsense. that's what we're very, very close to a piece of dream it well, very well. absolutely. you know, we're in the last few of the time you all but and then then when would you solve reading? well, what actually is this piece it or it's clear, there was no agreement on anything. and really enjoy the looks of the, the, the, the cease fire agreement to is a conversation among americans and some of the to your p n o is but has nothing to do with the israelis and basically what need to find that out in the main screen. is that one of the, um, interesting phrases that i keep hearing. we have the of united states and backing israel has to escalate to de escalate that it's

a very dangerous proposition. i mean, because escalation isn't the i am to be holder. okay. yeah, i mean, your kids determine what someone else will, how they will determine, you know, although this is the 2nd goal that we need to de escalate because he's escalating, they, this is like pop psychology but of the worst card. yes, i mean, this also an interesting thing that escalate to de escalate is something that americans often described to a russian calling see, they had to maintain that there is a russian policy of escalation to achieve de escalation. and when they do is that they of course criticize it to a very similar arguments that you have just the funds itself. close nonsense because um, to go back to the individual case here. it, cynthia disregards the fact that is right here. then has a blank check to inside that relationship to vote it wrong as much as they liked. s, fee, as vs. they're like, there's never any limit to these weights. so the mom,

him, leadership is left sooner or later from nor tentative, but either to complete the laws credibility or to strike back heart again, not like and a half per, but serious. so you know, he pulled up, we'll see it. we all know is it's right. so this whole idea is that you escalate to de escalate that is use sort of ops the end to to do to iran is 1st of all upset, but it is even more upset because it could only possibly make any sense at all if you control it is way, but the united states abstains from ever controlling is the way that is the core of the problem here. it george who is running this policy ahead of washington because we know it's the, the joe biden. we know it's not camella harris. i mean, i think you probably saw her word salad. i'm going back to our previous issue of the prisoner exchange. so i called her a word solid care and that's how i describe it. but i mean,

this is an opportunity again for nothing. yeah. that referred to, to manipulate the may because where is the center of power when it comes to us policy in the middle east right now. exactly what we simply don't know. who's running the show, which itself is quite sure. okay. i mean we're, we're, we're familiar with all the, the media stories with the media which rejoice that by doing that out of the res, because bite is obviously completing to mentally incompetent. but then that same media residues so know kerry also that well, okay, so he's complete the mentally and confident those are where he is, who then he is running the foreign policy with the it is too dangerous, the confrontations that america is heavily involved in and, and so, i mean, the meantime you have the republicans who are attacking by and for selling is right about the trail of his rep. but what is dangerous a, it's a read alluded to that is a really is now in a very,

very difficult position. because if it does nothing and then i will be interpreted not only as weakness, but as a vindication all of us is ready. policy it. you see we, we, we face down iran with threat to the wrong. we, we, we told them to try anything and you're going to be dealing with the united states as iran, by the way, that shows that muscular diplomacy works. if it goes, it does what he did in april that i gave you. it just becomes a kind of a global laughing stock or, you know, you're just doing this, we're going to the a see i trickle nonsense. so iran really has no option all the them to. there's something serious and that of course, is the dangers of the he and his america as far as the us, bob, as it may, it goes, goes on. that's what lloyd austin said. americans now home the hook to go to war on behalf of israel. yeah. me, they may be, but again,

the of 30 is we would eventually to will defend israel as israel's conducting offensive operations. again, you know, nobody likes to discuss that today. we're almost out of time. i think what makes this moment uniquely dangerous. it is because you have the access of resistance. been planning is with george and i have been told low numerous times of like professor morality on this program. they've been planning this for a long time for met in yahoo. and here's where radical ripening government. this is all an opportunity, both sides now, excess of resistance. and then you know, who's got really bold look at this as solving all problems all at once. that's what's very dangerous about that. it's very big suspension now. you know, and i agree regarding these where it is, i see it, but you're absolutely right there, but i wasn't quite right with degree of re iran and it's it's allies, right. because look, if they thought, for instance is paula thought that the, the,

the biggest chunk out of it is the biggest single chunk. is it for a pop? some of the problem is they saw it that this is an opportunity to clear everything up once and for that to solve this issue. i think people already have attacked. and so if you look at his boilers behavior, most of all the speech, even off the floor to clear most kids, right? if you're looking at a speech, they're still being kept for the actually i don't want kind of understand why. because is what it is trying to impose its timing on them. right. and that is not, it wouldn't take it just to them. so i'm, i'm, i'm actually the v, it's a, it's not, we had actually effects it, but it's a lot of sense. the rational actors here, the rational act us here is a ron and its allies, the completely insane active and now is this very and behind that the west, the george slash 30 seconds goes to be the most insane that they've got here on the say. it is the united states because the united states is on the hook we're going

to, well not on its own behalf, not that do realize any american interest, but on the be, on behalf of israel, a timing decided by israel, that really doesn't make any sense. what it's on the yahoo is do a make sense. he wants to bring america and he's been doing that for a long time, being a very fit in on israel's be hop. why america agrees to this, which is a very dangerous situation that, that does remains the big mistake. well maybe that will be the topic of next week's program or a gentleman that's all the time we have one to think like us in budapest and assemble. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here our p. c. and next time remember russell's the, [000:00:00;00]

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