the man, right before we go, here is a reminder of the developing news. we're following from brazil where a plane carrying 58 passengers and 4 crew members has crashed. according to the airline. local firefighters say the plan fell over the city of video, but have yet to release details about the number of casualties. originally an airport, the plane departed from has not confirmed any information about the crash onlookers, the shared footage online of the burning crash side, and the plaintiff spiraling out of control. as it went down. the local media has broad cabbage presently and president little of the silver asking a crowd to stand and observe a moment of silence. at an event he attended on the south of the country. all right, we'll do stay with archie international. i'm next on cross talk. peter lavelle and his guest discussed the this unity in the republican party when it comes to foreign policy and what it could mean if trump becomes president bye for now. the,

[000:00:00;00] the the hello and welcome across the top where all things are considered on peter lavelle. clearly the republican party has rallied around there now many in former president

donald trump. but that does not mean there is unity within the party when it comes to policy, particularly foreign policy. trump was world once, fluid happen again, the cross talking trump, i'm joined by my guess, larry johnson in tampa. he is a managing partner for burg associates, a former c i, a analyst, and the us state department counterterrorism official. also in florida, we have tom the long ago. he is the publisher of gold goats in guns, blog, and newsletter and, and like jacks. and we crossed to daniel mcadams. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity. alright, gentlemen, cross up rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, daniel, let me go to you 1st and like jackson, i know a lot of things are happening right now, but let's say one issue at a time. and the republican convention in milwaukee was kind of a love fest, you know, republicans are not actually known for that. okay. but it seemed to have

a good atmosphere. obviously there was unity around having trump is the nominee. but if you look at the speeches, there's a lot of disarray when it comes to foreign policy and what it means america 1st. i mean having, i know it was a big convention hall, but having nikki haley mike, palm pale, tucker carlson, and j d. fans in the same room, kinda odd, go ahead. it is odd, and i think, you know, part of the unity and this is by no means dest assist, suggest as conspiracy theory. but part of the unit, the unity was brought about by the fact that someone almost killed the former president trump. and i think that a and his response to it, which was a, um, i mean iconic response. it was an iconic photo iconic response. it really cemented him in as a tough guy. i mean, it's sort of reminds me of a break. and then of course, we saw with a couple of, you know, what, right after it happened there was that reprise of the reagan speech when the balloon popped. and he said, you missed me. i mean, that's, that kind of

a reagan magic. and i think that carried through the convention, the problem with american 1st one policies is a meaningless term. yeah. you know, you have all the neo cons coming out in the wouldn't. that would work. now say, well, what america 1st means is that we have to deter the rest of the world. we have to project our power. it's a meaningless term. and so the new concept climbing onto it, because that's what neo cons do. they'll be whatever you want them to be as long as you hire them. and that's the big danger. because trump is not a, an ideal guy. he's not a philosophy guy. he's, uh, that's not how he works. he's not a policy guy. well, you know, the larry, i mean they, they the choice of jd events while i welcome it. it's not as straightforward as his supporters say, i mean he's a hawk on china hawk on iran tie one. obviously the issue of, of ukraine is what he differs from so many of the neo cons. what different so make

for his, for him being vice president. i mean, couldn't this, trump say you are headed the border? and that's it. no foreign policy as well as the bans, as a young man with a know some of the some of the views he espouses, i don't think are really grounded in some really a let's call a long time. it's a logical commitment that you know, he's going to have to take over the world. what's taking place right now is the republican electorate. there is very, very much of a, gets going into foreign wars, a good friend of mine. he was a deputy assistant secretary of state and the counterterrorism bureau now lives in iowa. and he's in the iowa iowa legislature. he went around to a meeting that chuck grassley had one of these town halls. the very 1st question and it was not just what it was multiple, whatever i want to know is quote, why the hell are we spending all of this money in ukraine when we've got needs here?

yep. that's where it was. and it is, it's people like grass, they know there's that a compromise they, they try to sell it out. but this is helping us build jobs cuz we've got a factory over and uh, east iowa, this building and a 155 millimeter shops. so that's what i'm saying is there's a separation that's growing between the republican base and trump is still smart enough that despite all of his bomb bows to there, we're going to do this and we're going to go, you know, punch him in the face if they don't do what we say when it gets down to actually making the policy decisions. he recognizes it's a lose or does it get united states more aggressively involved and formed wars? yeah, tom, it's very, it's very interesting because the democrats, again, for the 3rd time, decided not to have a primary. they're just the anointing someone, but the republicans did have a real primary, a real democratic one. and larry is absolutely right. the base is very clear. what it wants and doesn't want,

but we don't have that that uh there will necessarily represent it is within the party. and unfortunately the people around trump. well, i think that that is, is that's changing. it's like most the bestbuy, the big bands i think is, is in st. louis at the very least. we finally have somebody at near, at the, near trump that same. yep, no, you can't. let's start, let's, let's take some wins where, you know, it's like the end of the day, you can't really ask for everything and trump is now talking about what we have. we have no responsibility is i want and that's an important distinction. now, you know, we, can we go for the try back to talking about the middle east as well. of course not . there are much different real issues to the united states in the middle east. but let's start there, the, the, the bigger big question now is whether the neo cons were on their way out or not. and it was very clear that the, that the donor class for both parties wanted nikki haley. yeah. and either joe

biden or some equivalent substitute that would just continue the existing policy and, and then the shooter missed an hour and a different world. trump can do it every once and, you know, there was no unity for i saw the r and see when i looked at it, i saw the seething hatred from karl rove and g ram. and the rest of the paper. they were absolutely see there. you know, i looked at that or some tire are and see and the way it was that way it was staged and laid out and everything else from wasn't supposed to be there folks, period. he was supposed to be there. it was supposed to be a funeral, and the anointment and mickey halley, so that we wound up with, i don't know, some terrible sits right now. we got this like weird thing with the democrats going on as it was going to be their candidate. and i'm still, i'm still just laying odds that it was supposed to be here. hillary versus hailey. that's what i, i scope out and back in february. and that's what i still think is on the table for the 3 weeks in chicago. well, in daniel can, can, i mean,

how did they move forward? i mean with, you know, the, the, the advantage we have with trump is that he was president at one time. okay. so we know what kind of decision making process easy as or doesn't have and i mean, but who's going to be in his cabinet? okay. we can have j defiance. good. that's great. but mike pompeo, it head of defense. i mean, how is that gonna work? yeah, and you're seeing the same people come come back around and we will probably get to this. i don't want to blow the whistle too soon, but you know, uh, even the ukraine situation we had you, i'm sure that all the, all 3 of you gentlemen saw the proposal put forth by general kellogg and fred slides that came out a few weeks ago about them last month, i guess it was, and this was supposed to be the great achievement of the coming chunk foreign policy team. and the 3 of the 4 of us who, who follow rush are pretty well and the paint pretty well. understand as d. o, a d o a completely because it's an insane. it's not even minutes light, it's flips like pre mintz gets its, uh, you know,

it consists of the us going to rush and say, i'm going to you great and say, hey, if you sit down at the table and talk, peace will give you more weapons. and going to russian saying, if you don't sit down to talk peace, we're going to give you create everything we've got as if we've not been doing that . i know for the last 2 and a half years or so. it is absolutely deal way in the you know, the us just wanted to over to recruiting forever. this is actually if you, if you bite on this piece of rancid, uh, you know, uh, meet uh that actually could take him down and you know, better than i do. uh, peter, at home would. it would be like if you took a est to the poor copy of a, of the mask agreements home and said, hey, we want, this is going to be great. yeah. but larry, after all, we all have to remember that one of trump's impeachment trials was over ukraine right now, and he has, he hasn't forgotten. that was really fascinating. is there, there is

a pro this project 2025 percent off. now trump has set all that up, you know, this is divorced himself from it sorta. but then he said, i wish him well, but, but the reality is there are some people involved with that project who were in trump's administration, hoover and personnel issues. and the lessons that you learned from the 1st term was they should have cleaned house. they didn't, they allow too many neo cons to many of these people with other agendas in and so they're prepping it. so trump is actually engaged in, some must cut her off. go right now. what he's doing is he's been disavowing any knowledge 2025. never heard of it. it's stupid idea. but if he with, they're going to hit the ground and they're gonna got the bureaucracy that, that is one thing that's gonna happen with larry larry, i brought up the, the, the ukraine impeachment issue for a reason. i mean, what's to stop them? they've been to impeach him for doing that as well so that they will not. i think

it's unlikely that they're going to have the democrat majority in either the senate or the house. okay. if they write that, you know, if they hang in there, that, that will be the one safeguard. but is it the same time, you know, they, well, i mean, i'm sorry to interrupt blurry, but i mean, lindsey graham would be on board for that marco luxury. i'd be on the board for that was on wednesdays. like of whether rain in a hurricane or case just which, which way he's getting blown is. uh oh, no pun intended. there larry. uh, do you guys keep going? yeah. but, but uh, do they know that one of the guys involved with the 2025 projects has knowledge? is that how the world did they have that? eric, she on the sheer marolla running around the, at a see, you know, it. so they, they, they do at least this time around, trump understands, and he understands some of the corruption with the money that's involved. so you know, i agree, i think tom is exactly right. we can, hey,

to out of 3 ain't bad. to quote me love. the jump in there, tom, go ahead. we got it. before we go to the right. one i was gonna say is, you know, it is, it's not even just project 2025 and one. i understand there are 2 groups. there's the heritage and project 2025, and there's a f b i that's also doing the exact same thing. taken resume is getting ready, figuring out what to do. they're talking to the office of money management and budget and a variety of other things. they understand, the personnel is policy. and you know, trump the 1st time around didn't have a transition. staff is no one expected them to win. and so he entered the net and that's the vipers and didn't have control, didn't have a real majority in the senate, didn't have, you know, you know, it really was a man on the island. and then the only people he could trust with a spot where people i dared cushion or his daughter, well we have, we have the good and the go to a break. we have, we have to go to a break hard break here. i just want to know why nikki haley was there. okay,

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the welcome back across black, where all things are considered non peter lanelle to and you were discussing donald trump, the okay time before we went to the break, we were talking about a potential i guess it would be human resources policy. you rightfully pointed out to be the 1st trump administration. they were grossly unprepared. now. they hopeful hibler in their less than if he were to be elected. and if he were to be a non created, remember there are 2 different things. 2 very important things in our season right now. but tom, that was the, you know, the, the inter agency consensus that's not going to change much. will it go ahead tom? well, it, it very much coat,

and i think before the break of your ask you about why nikki haley was there while she was sent over to the land to be terrible. and then she was almost right. i think honestly, trump center there to embarrass or and to put her on an island and then you know, the actually killer political career more than anything else. if you want my honest opinion, i remember watching that just gone. yeah, you're so ruffling unprepared. it's not funny. i know i really it, it again, i watched a very interesting video for about a year ago with the couple of kids were in the trump administration or now who were, who were explaining what they were planning on doing with 2020 products 2025 and they talked about their width and like it was, they're like, oh my god, i don't when there's somebody going to stop us from doing this. like, what is the military going to show up at our office door and tell us to stop by getting yeah, cuz they finally figured out how to do it. that seems really to get it done. and then they just did it. you know, and, and they're like, oh we, i guess we can do this and it, it, it's,

i live by the be honestly die by the pre. ok. yeah. you know, and what i like to call davos is very good at manipulating the bureaucracy they do it need you, they do it in the british. but the civil service, they do it in the united states. and so, you know what you learn have of the rules of the bureaucracy works. you know, the book, the world could be oyster. yeah. that's it sounds like communism to me. i don't. that's exactly what it comes. yeah, daniel, what will it again if i were to come to pass to trump is elected, he is a know you rated? will ukraine be the litmus test for him in foreign policy? i mean, i think the ukraine is an easy one because that's all on button. this is biden's baby. yeah. the republicans voted for the money more than voted against the money. isn't on any form to enter that i've seen in a while, but this is, this is biden's baby. so it's a very easy way for him to divorce himself from fighting. he doesn't likes to lensky even despite their phone call last week. it's an easy when you're already

seeing people pulling away from the claim policy. i mean, as long as you should've seen the running on the wall about a half a year ago when he didn't used to addicted to the grist that was coming his way. so yeah, i think i agree with tom on this. this isn't room with every on this. this is an easy 1st when for him to, to pull back 1st, i mean, 1st goes the money. and when the money goes, the war is over, doesn't matter who you bring to the table. what do you think about that larry? because i mean, you know, you get all of us have noticed that russia gate, uh, i don't know what um, iteration is of it now is rearing its ugly head. and it has a lot less effect than it used to, obviously. but you know, who lost ukraine, that's good to be cited. and there's a lot of new accounts on the republican side that will save that as well. how is trump going to have to deal with those people? so here's the problem to trump this. so transactional, he's not guided by any kind of vision, philosophical it'd be

a logical of the so for example, yeah, he's going to try to withdraw from ukraine. this is the same guy that blew up the ins agreement. so really to kill the nuclear control with respect to intermediate nuclear weapons. and that's going to be back on the table front center. and what russia is going to be doing is the kind of thing that sort of touches trump's hot buttons where this okay, we're going to build these, we're going to create a challenge and trumps natural instinct as well. oh no, you can, i could do it better and he's got to come back and then there's this real trump is emotionally more connected to the is riley project than by and that's going to be there is something that will tempt him to expand it because he falls into the we're going to the, the ron is responsible for what's going on and tell us story. yeah. and so it's

a divorce in from that. so the problem i have with, you know, much better than but than buying. but still there is no cor philosophical set of values guided him other than his make america. great again. yeah. well, it's a tom i, i don't understand how i'm backing in funding and genocide and gaza is america 1st. it's always been a mystery to me and i think of disgrace as well. but that's another issue here where, you know, you have not only the inter agency consensus, but you have, you know, donor a consensus on this as well. i mean, you know, getting, getting past the, the awful bite and legacy is one thing, but perpetuating it is another tom now agreed and it's, this is going to be a very difficult that is really, guys, it is real gods, is going to be the big issue right, that trump is have space and i'll be honest with you, i expect as opposition to make it is problem and i'm going to point directly

towards my normal my normal villains. in this case, to be the british. the one getting i didn't notice is just to go back to ukraine forest johnson saying, hey, okay, so i want to be assigned to give it up. that's a very interesting tell that tells me that you know, the, that, that the traditional british run that is kind of closing up the trunk to get into his orbit for the, the election after the election. and then as always, we have these big on, always with those people, it's always about, you know, savvy, everybody in the back of the, at the right moment. so i'm, i'm a little, i'm, i'm watching that angle on this very carefully. and i don't have a good answer a slide. well, i don't think i can say is that trumping netanyahu, do not get along. and that's wrong, absolutely despises netanyahu, and that's a good solid. well, okay, but i don't, i don't think any of us have, have the answers. that's why we're doing this program. yeah. because i'm genuinely

interested here. yeah. daniel, you know, one thing that trump campaigns on, and i think it's a fair thing for him. he said he didn't start any new wars, but that's, that's an accomplishment for an american president. okay. but now he's getting a inherit. if again, he's elected and he's, and all you rated to wars. um, is he going to be saddled with them? is it, you know, and then what is the power of the presidency if the president can't change american foreign policy executive that's the only constitutional world really has of any substance. everything else that just window dressing. but you know, there are 2 things. the 1st indication is actually not that bad. and then you'll remember a couple of months ago jumped into an interview with an israeli newspaper, where he said on the one hand, finish the job. but on the other hand, he said this is taking too long. it's messy, you guys are looking bad, the whole world is pissed off to you. and that's his instinct. and that he doesn't like the fact that this whole is rarely prod you taking over. of, you know, of ethnic cleansing and gaza is very much driven by

a strange ideology. it's driven by some sort of a, of a religious fervor or something. trump doesn't like that sort of thing. it doesn't make sense. it's not a winning view. so i think there's a kernel of hope in that in this tom said nothing. yahoo and trump hate each other, which is another important thing. so i think there's a, there's, there's a colonel there of hope. okay, well you know, very well, uh, i liked the phrase and its been a quite popular in this program. why is it in the every election we have we end up with john mccain. yeah. or the, because that's where the money is. well, the money, you know, this is, this is about keep the, the, the feeding and care of the military industrial complex. and all the members of congress are so compromised by the money. just the amount of dollars that are required to run for congress any more. you know, we're talking $5.00 to $7000000.00 and that's cheap. so the, to do that, hey,

got to have access to these corporations. they write checks, so that a lot of us foreign policy really boils down to them. what, what's interesting about trump though, is i do have a friend senior guy in the intelligence community who sat in on certain decisions like the one where they were. he was being pressure to bomb syria and he was out of an alleged chemical watson stack. and trump, since things are not to do that, and the problem he had, the 1st term was he surrounded himself with people who were in. i'm almost forcing him to do it this time around. let's pray that he gets people that will be, is a little more cautious and say, is this really going to serve our interest? you know, tom and looking at the transcode campaign. you know, he makes a lot of speakers. i thought his speech it, they are and see the 1st 5 minutes of it were absolutely brilliant. the rest of it

was boiler plate. but given what he said on this down because he learned anything, i think he has, i think, you know, i think from post near death experience is not the same person. and i think we really have to, we have, i don't know what that we've seen that person yet. and i think that that's just normal. but then we have to ascribe normal human, you know, i don't know, reactions to even donald trump, who's kind of a lot of, it's such a larger than life, almost cartoon like figure. um. and i hope that it makes him more determined to do the right thing as opposed to scared about doing the right thing. i don't know hoping, but generally speaking that's the way it works. so i was reading some, you know, so, so i hate to do mind reading or anything along those lines or even engaging amish was i called you, but that's kind of what i do. so i don't know. has he learned something? i think so. i think he has learned the, the depth of the depravity, the that animates the people that he's right in opposition to trying to make

america great. again, that's what i, that's the way i read. donald trump, how about you? what that that looks like. i have no idea daniel, what do you think his trump learned anything as well? the one thing that's more important than that, i think is that the world has changed significantly since 2016. good 2017. but trump took off as we have the rise of the global south now, which is a significant formidable factor. the us cannot project power like it could when trump took office the 1st time that was the last remnants of the old empire. so the world has changed. you want to, you want to go to war with china. you're going to lose, you want to take on it, run. you're going to blow up the middle east and you're going to lose. we've already lost and you can using all of the force of nato. so the realities on the ground have changed the world significantly since the 1st time truck took office. well it's, it's really interesting. we have, we, we, um, we have uh, with trumpet, with the world that trump inherited in 2017, when he was a new, all you rated. and one that he would have in 2025. the world has changed a lot. you're absolutely right. but i wonder if donald trump has been able to

absorb that change, and at the end of the day gentlemen, it will be key who he surrounds himself with. and that's one of we will all reconvene, hopefully before that. and we'll talk about that. we're gonna leave it on that point there. gentlemen. i want to take my guess in lake jackson and in florida. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. so you next time, remember the prospect, the, [000:00:00;00] the

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