all the rents are here as well. they tried to make it every year. and of course, the other friendly allies of rochelle have brought their own goods to exhibit here in russia as well as for room d participates in this for us in order. first of all, to demonstrate friendship and good relations between the russian federation and the republican for randi, in general, as well as to continue the development of defense co operation between the armies of our country. government. i did. yeah. when you will, the military equipment is proof of russia's power. it shows that russia is in its prime, on the rise. and we need to strength and relations with russia. since the start of the special minutes or a duration of russian military transferred, as certainly transformed to both incapability and the image image as well. take a look at this one, for example, it's equipped with and a drawing protection just like this personnel carrier as well who is getting the complex this pants or s m d missile system is designed to protect the military and

civilian facilities from a massive air attack. a distinctive feature is the absence of cannon armament. a combined missile armament is used instead. the people's republic has gone quite a long way since declaring is independence though, from ukraine, back in 2014. and now in 2024, they taking part at the army for them for the very 1st time of course, the bronx of their own items here for exhibition, for example, these, as i said, you made for city arms, bullet proof vests radio electronics. oh, more fer equipment and many, many other things that were on conceivable backs and years ago, but now they're being mass produced and the republic uh, this particular brought you, it caught my attention. it is uh an indicator of an air targets. and of course, it could be used as a rocket, as well, mostly used in our products are made of domestic material. you'll see most domestic

fabrics domestically made error mid fibers. all the materials that are used here are 100 percent, as well as the plates. this is a cornerstone of our production. the in fact, a number of enterprises have been preserved in the domestic people's republic, including a number of military ones. they with this in soviet times. now we produce personal protection equipment, electronic warfare equipment, and unmanned aerial vehicles. this thought a huge secret that most of ukraine's weapons are supplied by inmates or countries and beats organizers, sofa the army for them. here in most coal had made an extradition to display a trophy weapons seized at the special minister operation. i'm at a school so basically this equipment is outdated and analysis of the design features of these machines has shown that our domestic samples in many respects in terms of basic combat properties, are indeed superior. well, if you walk by here,

you can probably see the flags off all the nations of the collective ways to can see of simon friends, u. k. united states of america. and of course they here for the pleasure of the visitors and exhibitors or a month offer of archie must go. yeah, you can see many more of those pictures right now on line on our website. you know where it is. it's all taken. i would rate my studios and fuck a sign of the perhaps the most exciting period of my career. i went to the soviet union when i came back it was collapsed into 15 bucks. so some of my friends often hold me responsible for breaking it to a foreign policy needs to be named. sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully. somewhere on perhaps 2000 me. then the us, you only for the moment ended in a was where you don't have

a global policeman telling you what to do. some countries comes to get the phone conversations on issues india, which has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be the hello and welcome my name is on. if i'm case they come to my shoulder for the next of an odd. we will discuss all these in the part of with a very special guest is a prominent diplomat and has subbed in various capacities including as the high commission of to 5 years time and canada. they come, i do decide to do. thank you very much and have a great to be here. joey bossard you is a former indian diplomats with a career spending over 3 decades. he holds a bachelor's degree in economics from the university of delhi and earned an m. b. a in calcutta. he later got his 2nd master's and public policy from princeton. his

1st posting was in moscow in 1988. mister resario has served as india as ambassador to poland let's you and yet, he's also served as the high commissioner to canada. and as india is last high commissioner to pakistan with his tenure overseeing a particularly challenging period of relations between new delhi on this loan, about a jelly bossard speak several languages. is an avid yogi. his 1st book was published earlier this year where you are really wanting to be a diplomat, right. but 1st of all, great to be here. i've seen you in the movies so great to see you in person may have admired doable movies and i often feel that diplomats should learn acting because often you need to act in the global states. i think they all did do a good job. yeah. you know, i, i had it at the back of my mind the, i, because my father was in the government. so i wanted to explore being in the government. i did do an m b. i explored possibly doing either could it is. but then

what attracted me to government and the ford service was to be part of the, in the story and to work on a logic canvas. because i had a sense even early in my twenties that you know, the india story is going to be a good one. and it would be exciting to be part of india is join in a more direct way by being part of government. your 1st posted in the, in the messing must go back in 1988. and since then you have an impressive could you? how is it like being that i believe you speak russian, i do, i do speak some russian a and i in fact van to my 1st posting in the phone service b r o blaise, it's mandatory to learn a foreign language and mine was russian. so i went to my school university for a year. my job was to learn the language, which i did not. you know, how much time did you learn language? it's an emotion course that we did. so in about 8 or 9 months my, i acquired

a good deal of fluency and then we learned off the streets. so you know, you're in most in that background. so i did speak the language fairly read. so it was again, a very interesting time because i was posted in most cool, in my formative years in diplomacy from 1988 to 91. how many as well you there in law school? so i was that for, you see, one of which i spent learning the language and the other 2, you know, looking at the embassy and the political being and the konami coming. and i went to the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks, and so some of my friends often hold me responsible for breaking it up. i believe you bought incident, i will do the story behind it. i guess i just joys my parents when they happened to be in senior goodman. i was born a so it was my father was a no transferable job and i was born in she no good because he was managing all

india radio and as an engineer and and she now go. so i was born there and it so happened that i moved from there to mom, but at the age of 3 and i had no memories of, or seen or got and crush me. but i did go dad much later and i was already in service. so i couldn't go that to the terrorism is only in this century. i got an opportunity to revisit the place of my birth and the opinions before that then uh and the politician inbox or spam. no it, it so happened. that's my mother, me as a child of rent and state and little hard because my grandfather was posted there for a couple of years around 1942. uh so that was just her experience in going to school in the heart and but the family belonged very much during the

day, but from what the dish will do, the story they used to tell you of the independence partition all focused on. yes. so my mother had some very interesting stories to tell me. 1942 is her clear memory of the quick didn't get a moment. let me see, would see the processions of part of total. and she never heard about, the bucket stopped me because you know, the focused on the holidays. lucian had been boss and 1940, but it wasn't a big thing. so in the forty's in her stories, she hadn't really heard of this concept of focused on this. she had gone to right loading and her happiest memories was but of a trip. the family took to monday the hidden station and they ran to up to abide and travelled all over. so i often say that in, in the forty's, this was the most integrated region in the world. you could travel from run going to all the way to the shower vape, no visas and a bay,

but so it is about the family members that they could travel over this past land. and then you became the commissioner up in progress time. and then the most trouble with the times. in fact, that has been no, i commissioned enough to your daniel to how well you're dealing with it. yes. you know, so i would rate my, uh, 2 years in buck a sign of the. but that's the most exciting period of my career because it's, you know, working in a conflict environment is always a challenge and, but it's also very exciting and 3 is as many diplomatic possibilities. i was then a 2 years. and one of the better docs is a funding for an individual night and focused on me is that during the day there is a fairly low facility, but in the afternoon you could meet be meeting with diplomatic colleagues and then there's a good deal of friendship. and in the evening of glasses of wine or risky, you are very friendly, right?

with the common people or people who haven't got nothing to do with government. so that is a better dorks that did as a such a good deal of posterity. but also such a good deal of friendliness and just go to the affinity of speaking the same language, liking the same food and so on. so i think this bad adults defines a diplomats through impact this fun. i also went to a tough and hostile period and i think that as bad as some degree of creative diplomacy is required because even at a time when the host of government is very against your pay and government, you, some doors are open and do have quite conversations in quiet diplomacy and to understand what is happening, what do you think is the basic problem of focused on with india? if you asked me to name one fact to me, i would say it's focused on identity crisis. that while india, uh at,

but very rapidly developed an identity, develop the constitution within 3 years of independence and had the benefit of leaders. but some continued to focus fund did not have the same good fortune. it's early leaders passed away. july died in 1940 the aid, cut the lucon, the 1st 5 minutes to bust away, 1951 and focused on could not develop a constitution for itself too much later. so even it developed the constitution in 1956, but that was abrogated by 58. when you condo military dictated to go. so the center problem became the capture of pakistan by the elite, in this case, the army leaks who have captured the country and continued to rule it for all these tickets and have distorted what focused on could have become in my view. so i think

this is a fundamental structural problem that focused on face that it became an abnormal country run by an army lead, which was intent on promoting its own interest rather than the interest of the people in yet. i would say that in the last few years, there has been no media that is at tech and the last 10 years to be very precise. what has changed your be for us, you know, you would record from the ninety's. terrorism became a major issue less impact on the eighty's for us than been job the ninety's and crush me from the 2 thousands all the way. and then we never had a very good on. so for it, we would, uh, you know, not react perhaps with force. and even after going nuclear in 1998 to it, even in 2008. india did not react strongly to the moment later. what has changed

now is that we have a different bus show of active defense. there's certainly an effort to, to strengthen ourselves from within which means have strong counter infiltration. counterterrorism grades within your moving push me for instance, to prevent service from coming in. but also a pro active or active defense, but to which means you are willing to take the battle across the borders in hot pursuit of the status in 2016. the reacting to really, it was reinforced in 2019 when after the pl, why my tech, the biological a strikes took place. so now, here was in india, that is, was setting up a strategic deterrence or the governance against it, or is it the message was that if there was incidents or for certain scale take place in the will again, across the board to interact. so for the focus on army, the policy of mounting terrorism, which was

a low cost policy now became an expensive business, because now it was clear that if you launch in a deck, the retaliation should be, would be such that you, you could go to water. you could, would have to react, so they were the 2nd cost. and that certainly is part of the reason that there's been a dramatic drop in cross border terrorism. it's not been eliminated. it's taken on different funds, but there has been a significant drop. and i think that is an achievement of government results to address this question in a clear headed way. why do you think the governments were not interesting and advocating article to 70 when i think um, certainly for the beach it be, it was on the manifesto. it was on the cards and it was certainly a goal to be achieved. but even the b, b a n d, a government could not achieve it in the early of tags and

a bunch of these guys because it was in india, a government that was a coalition government. that was a coalition common minimum program of the india. and this was not a priority, but i think that was clarity even and watched by his mind. and uh, and in other lead his mind that once the it would be a majority, it gave the opportunity to have optical, $370.00 a aggregated. and i think it was a decision that was waiting for the moment that a party had a clear majority. and a clear strategy, i think integrating your mortgage mean was a very important move. and more than that, having the strategy of counterterrorism content information to ensure that off to that optical, 370 moves, they would know blood shit on a large scale. because as you would recall, there was a conversation that if i had to go 370 would be to move, they would be live as

a black and english me. but none of that happens because it was well planned well executed. and i think the, by the benefit of hindsight of the last 5 years, certainly a successful policy both in terms of stabilizing the state to jim when crush me. and in terms of giving a clear answer to cross border terrorism. yeah, because i come from the same area and i feel that it is beneficial to the people of crush me. the business is i'm climbing into the infrastructure as has been yet, when are they going to 70 was able to in the parliament, there was a total position from southern section of 5th. yeah, i think it was a political conversation and that was a political move because article 370 was more of the move and it was more than just a political move. it was also linked to security foreign policy. and i think it

served all those interest me when we finally got it done. and i think now there is a reasonable consensus in the country that it was a good move. and that now we moved to the next stage, perhaps of the healing touch. and you're moving crush me so rapidly moving towards stability and normally the see. so that brings me to naturally so after this done parameters symbol david with the 2nd longest serving p and my friend is discontinued, the good for india and the foreign policy. it certainly is, we are now living in an age of a very turbulent, we're much is changing into, well that is, that are conflicts that are, you know, moving towards a multi polarity and therefore foreign policy needs to be named. so i think this government has been successful in very nimbly negotiating the world and improving india is have the end stature by mr. more the has the external affairs administered

jason good, who understands the game and plays it very well. and the personal chemistry that the prime minister himself enjoys with discontinued the that's a cut all of the advantage of it that you'll develop. but still chemistry and bust under relationships with will lead to us. and that helps who is with annotated step . now he's representing a 4 trillion dollars economy, with a huge kind of pest in the world, in economic terms. so for just as an example, the rest issue relationships in, in what is called the middle east, but the, you, we, but the vid. so there, those are some new innovations in indian policy that the closeness of that relationship, pets, india, in multiples. and you've said that in diplomats i'm more confident and the more the why do you feel that they represent the country that is more confident that they

represent the country with the leadership is consistent, then giving a certain message uh to the, to the world, to the people and they have clear instructions and, and it helps that, you know, in goes on. baba is growing india's half to such that india is voice is heard on the high table below. believe whether you're talking about climate or trade or the global order or the g 20. so i think oh that hands of 4 of clear message to go to the diplomats to act with confidence and to be able to uh, you know, represent the name to that is more confident in one of your opinion. pieces you wrote about a multiple level and do you have one thing to be on the board? how much is for them and association good already done that for that one. i think he has and i think india has because, you know, this process has gone on. i would argue, since the ninety's,

because 90 is after the soviet union collapsed to be moved from a bipolar world to a uni polar world for the in the us was the on the act and down and some better on perhaps 2008. then the us, you need for the moment ended and we are moving towards a new order which might be multiple. and bingo is making the point that in the future as an aspiring power, we would like to be a potent. we wouldn't like a word of it, which slaps his back into being a bipolar what with china and russia outlined against the wrist? or uh, you know, a word bad in his voice is not good. and so i think we have been very active in terms of it taking the g 20 as an example. that is an organized a is a body which tries to speak for the world in which economics matter,

the economic major economies matter and essentially make the point that uh in, in this, uh, uh, well, the way it is going in the future. the major economies like india, need to have a strong say in the direction in which it as well. so how important are 4 months like big send this to you for the multiple of like, i think they're important. and i think what has happened in this by the people what is that you have new will formulation like big says seal and as i but so before those like i do, you do in, in rest issue and so on the board. so these are on issue based coalition, so they come together in a world where you don't have a global policemen telling you what to do. some countries come together every is uh, you know, uh, phone conversations on issues breaks, for instance, came together for a conversation on economic issues for the middle of the bible stuff. i made a buzz that represented. so i think that is the kind of, uh,

what would be the move to uh, the uh country is we'll have issue based alliances. some of them the space, some of them will for you to be. and we will question this world order, which is presided over by the united nations, which we feel hasn't delivered enough in terms of providing peace and security to the world. so or done, it is really much, but we don't know which way it's hated. except that we know that india shouldn't have us in the re, uh, part of minister jewish and good now conducts or knowledge. so uh, open about his point of view is which makes us proud of. we never used to have somebody who would say, who we call a we call them out is that's a deliberate attempt to do that. or it's a personality trait off of a problem. and is this, i think, i think it's

a boat, it certainly represents the new india, which is making its point. yeah. so the world and it's a confident new india and therefore he is the voice often of that new india. and therefore he has to make the point about in his views and is very difficult about it. absolutely. so sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully, sometimes in behind closed doors, sometimes publicly. so i think the, the point needs to be made and the broad, the point that is emerging is that india reach has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be not. so the show is called let's talk about it . where do you see in the, in the next decade? well, i think the india is moving in a positive direction. the stated objective of freedom to is to bring prosperity to its people, right? the, we want to be

a big city part of the developed. but it developed in debt by 2047. and what does that mean? that essentially means we need growth. be ongoing at 6 to 8 percent feed. possibly want to grow and a blade of 8 to 10 percent and bring prosperity for a people and a folder and policy a will be oriented towards leveraging the will to facilitate this phase of india. and it will be a peaceful and benign race in asia as, as compared to the village of in today's, of china. see me, but it will be something that would be good for the world. and i think good therefore, endeavors to get more more partnerships, deeper partnerships, endeavor, engage in a might be aligned, we with russia, with the best and power is with the board and maximize the economic benefits for itself, but also be a force for stability underwood. great, so what are your future plans?

well, i just written one book and i've been talking about it in different florida, and this is the book which included an angry men. and that's right. it's called anger management, and it's been released this year. and it's, it's, it's essentially a story of the india pakistan relationship and in a sense, any hostile relationship, but door to the prism of diplomacy or from the eyes of diplomats, not just my experience isn't focused on, but also of my 20 for read this. i says, who high commission, those are investors from india to pakistan from 1947 to 2017. when ever and i hope the right to another. and i'm working as a corporate consultant that move to the private sector. so i'm having a lot of fun done with that. i'm did it take take you do like this book? well i to me, i would say about 2 hours a day for 4 years. and because i have a to take book,

it's 540 pages, and it's the amount of movie that i've done in for the i ran 40. exactly. i see. i see where your, your, uh, over is much more impressive because, you know, each movie would have had a lot of blood for it and diaz is going into it. so, but, you know, i, i enjoyed the process of writing this book and researching it. of it multiple foot notes, i hope to write another one, and i'm also a distinguished fellow at the observer research foundation. so doing some research in trying to understand as well. now that i'm out of government, i'm at a distance, so it's good to look at the word from a distance and comment on it. the active list. thank you. and it says it. thank you . thank you very much, 0 my here and the thank you for watching to join me next week as we uncover newly in yet another debate. and let's stuff out of i'm on. if i'm kid would by

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