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dustin agents done, most of it is washington's hired manager, who does exactly what washington wants in moldova, a mobile one. you mean they are not interested in moldova, they are not interested in moldova citizens and they are not interested in our problems separately. and they are invested in their own interest, it's about looks they are interested in turning moldova into a platform for military operations with them. it is interesting for them to place all spheres of influence under their control as much as possible. but this will be a pivotal a year from all dover, as the country prepares for presidential elections, an e referendum and parliamentary elections after the arabs. molds over is largely split into a remaining and speaking population. and those who are afore e u. and so gratian as well as those who are russian speakers, i feel closer to the most goals of world vision well with the clock. second, there's been a significant increase in pro you advertising all the false, moldova, and likewise, the countries opposition parties are not wasting any time,
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despite what they say are times to silence them. so she didn't use the current authorities are doing everything possible to prevent us from organizing any events that we hold. if they find out the location of where we are going to hold a meeting, it will surely be presented by the special services. the police. today are people in the republic of moldova, live in poverty. almost all russian tv channels and opposition. tv channels have been close to you. they can be closed the next day over an uncomfortable question to the president of the republic of moldova, the countries pro west certain governments, as ottomans on southern the european dream and must go as a surprise. and many are seen power allows between the persecution of pro russian mode opens and pro russian ukrainians, leaving many to wander war as next. or the legislators that we spoke to here today, claim that the majority of the country actually for were closer to russia rather
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than europe. and they warn that most of us current political landscape is not a true representation of the people's wishes. the russian federation has always helped in odessa not, but it has done so without shouting about it at every corner. and if the european union builds even a piece of road, it will immediately put up signs that it was done by the european union of. at the same time, the russian federation provided us with gas at very low and favorable prices, thus making life easier for our people of all categories. because the prices for energy resources are very high. we use them when we come to russia. we come to our friends. when we come here, we feel at home among our friends, brothers and sisters. and that is because we were once one big family. and unfortunately, some short sighted politicians have taken the path of separation. divorce if you like, we have to go back to our roots where we left and find the happiness that we once had felt living together side by side. politicians here are determined to work
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towards a bright future future that they believe is the best course for their country. a course that is aligned with russia. well, for myself on the team here just for the saw it as the by my spectacles company, we would have seen said the hello and welcome to the prospect bull horns on peter lavelle. here we discussed some real news. the attempted assassination of donald trump tells us all we need to know about the extreme tensions that make up american politics. sadly, america as a long and deadly history of political violence, the country's political culture is simply toxic. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess your to send me while we in budapest, he's
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a pod counselor at the goggle, which be found on youtube and locals. at americas we have martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. right, let's start out with george in budapest as usual. george, we called this one. uh we had been saying for a very long time because of the um, the perceived um is extremes of american politics that something like an attempted fascination could happen. well, it is already happened. so what does this tell you in a, how does this change the dynamics if at all, go ahead george what it says of the election. i think the dynamics. so we've, we simply don't know, does he have how that is going to affect the outcome? so, but this was entirely predictable because of the, the other years and years of, of, under harold hysterical coverage of trump bodies that
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mean the median contributed to this episode of the ridiculously spirit. but of course, all the positions. and chiefly president, by the who has repeatedly is declared that this as an existing shall matter for the united states and, you know, trump poses the next essential for us is united. says he has been saying this since 2019. and that's remember even before that the trunk was a q is essentially by much of the media. and again, much of the, of the democratic party of having been an agents all the kremlin. in other words, it was a traitor. and it goes, when you go to somebody afraid so that when you say that that person is literally add all hip left. well, what happens is the, these amazing thing that it's taken this long for something like this to happen. and what, what is really disgusting is all these politicians mancy below. oh, so you chuck schumer, i can you geoffrey by and so now say, well,
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we wish trump very speedy recovery. political violence has no place. and now this goes, well, you're golden. i don't feel well if he is out of it, but why would you be wishing him speedy recovery? so obviously you were lying and you would just been basically pulling the american people by golding of ablest oh, this was exactly what you were hoping. what happened? the son, you know young a young man up active as of as asking was of the 20 years old. when say i go to save the well, so metal, hipaa. so you know this, we did it quite a discussing it bought present. now going on, you know, mark me a, oh, you've already seen the picture, which i wrote that send it to you. it's icon make. it certainly is iconic. it's probably been seen by over a 1000000000 people already around the world. and it's like into like the flag on you will, jima, i mean, or some of the civil rights moves mean images we have as any other assassinations. but the way i read that, that picture is that the way his supporters, i mean,
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they feel his literal pain. they feel who did the persecution, this ridiculous law fair against them. there's probably a, a 1000000 good reasons to dislike donald trump. but the, this persecution of him infuriates people and people to maybe not have a very strong political attitude. they literally feel this man's pain. i think so. yeah, and i think of that and they will be beyond the political camp and they will be a number of the swing swing voters are undecided versus from the other side as well . who now i've seen the, which one, they've seen the court cases and they don't believe that they don't believe what they're saying. they know that there's less glitch ended up behind all of some judges. absolutely. right. because the history of this bill went up against from i think it was this to bucking pm who just treated just a few minutes ago. he said something along the lines of, you know, it was an image for single day. so when you put the guy down so much, that a member of the public was going to do the job and stuff up some ok and then take
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the short, i'm paraphrasing, didn't say exactly like that, but you get to point to not, not you have to ask yourself um, the security of this, but these events, i mean, you know, i don't want to be a case a, be a conspiracy theorist, but no one has to one the with the, with the which on the i mentioned before with the, with the amount of the cases that have been brought against somebody else to wonder whether the deep state also perhaps arranges the secuity these events to be so poor . because it's only a question of time sooner or later before it comes to like america, with some crack pulled, brings along a $100.00 rifle and, and takes a few shots of a discount. i mean, i think it was an image for that. we should be so shocked by it, especially when you look at the video footage, which came online just minutes late to of 3 security late to use f b. i ladies with the very started shut classes who were just running around the ends of chickens. i mean, it was literally pissy for watching these 3 ladies, one coming hosts or a weapon and properly another ones was more concerned about putting
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a sunglasses on correctly to look cool. in the behind them was the smoke closer then, you know, taking something away and it was just a few letters to be honest. so you're going to also sort of questions. but i think the broad question, the bigger question is we haven't lives in these thomas before that some phenomena is entirely new grounds. i just don't, unprecedented. i don't think the bigger question is, is this a small taste of things? companies that have typically ice book, you know, we were open, bracing us, of wondering when we're not so confident we're, we're pretty confident that trump was gonna win the will, the country will america, i'm tentacles of all the power within it. allow him to win. you know, you're off on november, the 5th, you know, we're going to see thousands of people take to the streets with the $100.00 rifles or worse. well, but i think martin, i think it's pretty fair to say, i'll throw it to george right now. whatever the outcome half the country is not going to agree with it. that's where we are. george. no, that's. that's exactly right. that'd be the other half of the country will not
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agree with this. and even, even, even if he is alexis as possible, he will, he be inaugurated george. will it be another piece like that? that's right. and i mean, we'd already know and this, because he's adding to the hysteria, that if the democrats do capture the house, they will not satisfy the result. this is something that they've already said they will not certify the result as though it's entirely dependent on the republicans taking the house. we're trying to be installed as president. and, you know, even if he is still the president, we're going to get full years of this and really lives with the, you know, there's a lot of training now in recent years of assassination of, i mean, russell. it was only weeks ago we were talking about this estimation of time, phone robust fits so um, you know, the, we had the, uh, the assassination attempts up the, the, the congressional bowl game that was in 2017. we had them fascination of them from them. the supreme court justices kind of on the so they were in all of these events
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are good. the direct result of the if you scenario that is being a, went up by, i'd have to say the democrats and their of media allies. and so therefore, if the truck does become present, that isn't going to stop. so, so like this is this, the, they've, they've determined that this is all my business existence lose his existence really deep, deep. so repeating this, somehow, america kind of survive. donald trump, remember that a horrible purse of mr. victor newland. uh victor, victoria, mr. victoria newland robert kagan wrote in an all pad in the washington post. and we talked about this. it was about 5 to 6 months ago. um, which was pretty much cooling for this explanation of uh, trump. you just said this man is such a central thread. we can't stop him. this is like, this is julia sean's a. you know, this is the only way, the way we go. we're going to deal with him is the way they build with june and
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caesar. so this is here. this is how what the, how the political establishment is thinking. and indeed as mafia said, there are serious reasons or as questions about the security elapses there. i mean, yes, inexplicable, absolutely no real questions? well, it's, it's really quite remarkable. martin is a, this is a, i'm glad you brought up the flow of our prime minister. i mean, this is what we see all across the west and world. everything is x a central, if everything is x essential than anything and everything is permitted because it's, you know, it's to be or not to be. this is a, you know, it, it's obviously very reminiscent of a civil war and in the united states. but this is a civil war that's being played out across the west as well. yeah. but it is like stuff. so and, um, unfortunately, what i witnessed in, in my career and the last of the use of john and it says, how western countries have become more and more the piece with systems to become
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simplified binary, they become binary. and they become, you know, very much a simplified black and whites and choices for people. and i think that has been accelerated by the advent of social media and also martin, don't you think what doing lyft thinking about the elections in france and then the u. k. and then the european parliament just, you can win a lot of votes, but you don't get to live a seed. so i mean, it's becoming more and more part of the, is it, the system is rig system is right. i mean that the, to the west of democracy, less than democracy and it's models, plural. i don't know. okay. it's not functioning anymore. you know, so you're getting the vote. so the bottom, the books, the people know that the vote is very much a token. part of the whole thing, you know, that, that needs to be something else to hold politicians accountable. and, um, so, you know, uh, especially september, so public rallies in america. it's certainly something to surprise us. assassination attempts to western leaders like just to back in pm. perhaps this is
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going to be something that we're going to see more render a grandmother in the press because, you know, as i say i, i think the confidence is just waiting. now, you know, we were looking for an alternative model and the present one, you know, just just don't seem to what we're looking at nature for example, which just celebrate his birthday, you know, some pundits of all use, well, the basis of may so 75 years ago it was a particular name on, i mean the idea that the service had this made it trace run against us. i'm going to wipe us out the same argument, same, essentially some going to say absolute unqualified, unmerited unimed. all the absolute explanations which were supposed to swallow with the well, i mean, in never. and given a democratic testing of, you know, george is really interesting is the way when we look at these elections, but your participation legitimize is the outcome, but not your decision. you see what i'm saying is that the, no, it's the we have a, we have a vibrant but when democracy because people vote but it doesn't. that doesn't deal with the outcome of the vote church. no that that's right. i mean that,
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and that's why there is this gunston manny attempt to get everyone to vote to tell you. oh, really, really voted your vote. you're most about, you know, that's your duty as a citizen to vote. and then, and i think was a little why what, what difference the going to make and why we're getting lead is that we don't want to, you know, to attend. that is, that we don't want, if it was a little of the problem with this or the west and democratic model is that it's just based on one of printers, which is we have to keep out the other guy. the other guy is an existing show threat that that's all sir. we don't, we don't actually and promise you anything. we don't have a positive program. we don't, we don't, we have no idea how to improve your life. but that person, that person is literally hitler, and we have to do whatever we can in order to keep them out of us. and this is what they're doing. this is what is it, whether it's united states, whether it's crossed. oh, it is in germany and i get very soon, it will be the case in the u. k. where you know, the, the, the, the, it but the literally hipaa will be natural garage or we have to keep them out.
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otherwise democracy will come to an end. yeah. everything when, when everything becomes, uh, existential, then everything is legitimate. any uh, everything is on the table except for recognition of the democratic process. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're gonna go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real need to stay with r t the, the welcome metric cross that bullhorn john peter live out the land you were discussing some real news. okay, let's go back to george and in budapest here, i mean what this is sending a very dangerous signal, because 1st of all,
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we're in looking at the trumps opponent. so they're, they're, they're crocodile tears. means it's pretty hard to believe. i mean, we went through this whole debate fiasco, and we all were told that he knew joe biden is just the jim dandy, you know, sharp as a tack and all of that. and then we see what happened and then they do a flip. and now there's pretending that they never demonized donald trump. there are plenty of reasons to dislike donald. trump don't get me wrong. but you know, to turn around now and say though, we don't want anything a, any, we don't have any ill feelings. we don't, we don't have any hope for a disaster do to come across him, but that's what true. it's all likes. very good. exactly. if it was all lies, and it was done, precise big in order to whip up this, is there any you call just as i say? well, you know, this isn't really what we meant. we, we're in the business of civil discourse. i think obama issues, when we need, we need symbol, disclose, they're all we don't, and there's no, no,
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no room for violence. so how is this simple disco the will remember that then defend that solomon events with the red lights, but the, by the i called the most so any moment. now see leaning over the thing which it was a, you know, and the game, the threat was not just one crow from child support which is and then being on enrollment soon the beginning of a biden's term. he was talking about this, the existential thread. peruse by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could go the, all the, you know, these, the ad cfax is the white supremacists, the white national. that's the mag i'll follow is that isn't how they've been playing this. the political game. really, you know, for years and years and of course, something like this is going to happen. and now this, the toner road is what we wish him a speedy recovery advocate this. what's the mileage you decide is out all of hibler and he's going to in democracy,
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but he's agenda is to in democracy. now you wish you must media regarding why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy according to him on the way the rhetoric has been played out and it's almost getting close to 10 years. and that when you think about it, okay, almost 10 years is that there is no middle ground. there is no compromise. everything is a pure a t test. okay. you can't run a democratic society like that for very long. it's utah, and i think the, the situation that we're not in america where we have a choice of these 22 liters, who are both quite controversial and quite polemic for different reasons. i think the system is quite limited in the system. it may, will be the, this particular election will spark are completely new process and the new process of dialogue from people right across this whole section of society to ask, you know, can we do something about the system? can we create a system which is more on more liberal, more put in something which,
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which sense a certain more flexibility in this and for example, you know, we, we've seen the emergence of kids to guest alma who has basically taken control of the country with the lowest election to announce ever so people are starting to ask questions, you know, is it time as a person to have a professional representation of voting system? i think i'm probably the america is unlike person. you don't have that protests, but accountants are in the middle. if you don't have a policy called the liberals, you know, it's either one thing or the other. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong. but i think this is really now more than ever when beginning to see how the system is sustaining people. and you are quite right to say that, you know, it's very hard to imagine how coming into power with at least half of the country now obviously is the time into the world come in. and so my point, my point is somebody has to change, and i think this is probably the breaking point. yeah, i mean it's because george mean elections. they're becoming less meaningful. i mean,
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you, just, as you pointed out, you know, what, you know, things everybody has to vote, you know, we're a voter turnout. you know, this legitimize the election, but it doesn't happen that way. i mean, it's still, it's for a boat in the se, in western media, but i mean, there are tens of millions of americans that don't believe the 2020 outcome. they believe that trump one in 2016, the one in 2020. and he's good one went in 2020 thoughts except for they won't let him. they can just so you can define that yourself. go ahead. george. yes, that's, that's. that's right. and that's exactly how people will see it. and really, you know, this, this, this estimation of the time comes authorized the series of events. remember, you know, they tried to take him off the ballot, but it's a color, unheard of. yeah. do that, that takes somebody off of the ballot where you don't have a right to vote for this person. imagine that, i mean the hosp, the country regard saying has the legitimate president then he said, well, no,
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no we, we, we made a decision. if you don't have the right to vote, so i've never known as you know, an attorney general in new york state decide that i'm just going to bankrupt him. i'm just going to take away the will of his money and i'm going to come up with some convoluted ridiculous legal theory that has never been tried. and i know i'm going to get a sympathetic judge. i was just going to take all his money away and they, and they tried to do it, it's only because the, the, the court jumped in and said, well, you know, i'll give it, take it easy with, with, with, with this, say this money grab another because we, you know, we have uh, you know, was the, uh, the in full indictments. i mean, it's just unheard of, you know, use, it's been a president. there's never been invited once and now we have full of time for an election. so this is the last 90 process in which you got these uh, political 5 is the absolutely determined to prevent the coming to wow of somebody
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will off the country regards as they're legitimately the well, you know, all the way this is something fundamentally unstable situation. i mean, the have, or that has to be some kind of a political consensus whereby, you know, you don't believe is accept outcomes and respectfully leader of the organization. now what, what we had did during these last, you know, 24 hours easily off the he bulk or say image the political to establish a pretence. that's the system. yeah, we're all wishing well a prez. i still go to impreza with these families over the phone to the site at the moment is strictly to solve this thing. but ultimately, we know we're going to go back with a few weeks. we're going to go back to the uh, the, the truck, hysteria, m i n a martin. and so i'm glad the george brought up these frivolous lothair suits because the, in the liberals, they prefer riggins jerry's. but i think the rest of us would prefer the jury of
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the electorate let they let the electorate be the jury. now you've already explained to us the, the impediments in the u. k. i mean, i'm astounded by maybe outcomes of the french and u. k. a selection, i mean, just because you're with a lot of votes, doesn't mean you're getting much power. a jill, i think, come when the case of trump is what's, what's really interesting for me is that this breaks down this sort of from the crumbling of this foundation to what we believe since so long with the foundations of american democratic model. you know what people really believed to that they almost had a religious reverence to it in the forty's and fifty's and now it's crumbling. and it's comforting on both sides. you know, we talked about trump in his estimated time. it seems to me to invite him to come, don't need to buy some kid to, to shoot bikes and global company. where's the near? nobody's name here now. nobody's doing it seems to be doing it a pretty good self assassination or suicide on himself. you know, we were seeing panic now in the whole system and the democrats are beginning to
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panic in a different way. you go now i think 20 congressmen have written to, to, to but i'm saying look, you know, you know, we love you, but give it up. i think also the hollywood has been weighing and as well people at george clearly read it was very diamond piece of the new york times. i mean, really touching base, my fingers spoke on behalf of a lot of hollywood products. you know, well, you know, i probably probably probably only i really do not have chair so but to provide shepherd's going he, i can say a hobby. what is so corrupt and it, it money, you know, money corrupts everything. so money coming from hollywood into the political process is just the script. you know, you don't judge what's really, what's really amazing to me. trump, it will be a dictator. he will shut down democracy. you know, refresh my memory. he was president from the spears. okay. i didn't shut down the media didn't shut down the trade unions. he didn't, he didn't go after hillary clinton. it made his own deal. jay went after him.
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meanwhile, this is just say, a narrative may add a folk song. it's not as if we don't know who the guy is, is that that's the amazing thing. because, you know, we've, if you look back on the trump, is he basically galvan and as a kind of a moderate centrist through a republican. i mean romney government, raleigh. i mean, yeah, you know, he brought in the tax schedule, every republican president, boy, those tax gods. i mean that's the signature policy of, or republican administrations. and it does have as far on all of say, well, they've promised all kinds of things. he never deliver it. so you know, the, the whole idea always going to withdraw from need. so he's going to withdrawal from syria. he's going to withdraw him from afghanistan and he didn't do any of those things and make it over. he gets like, even by the, you know, you know, going to go over say the, you know, i, i know founded by the no one here is the final violence, please the withdrawal from afghanistan and trumped. isn't that sad?
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yeah, i'm going to do that. but he, you know, ultimately he didn't go ahead with it. and so if you look back on those, he is just to take away his personality. he was a pretty, a centrist republic, a. so the hysteria has absolutely no basis whatever. and a whole this like what you said made out of whole bloke, but the idea that he was pro russia, but he fav brewton is just so stupid. so we the all take this, well the large was russia gauges back. ok, let's you know, you know, mind it's really interesting. in looking at this campaign, you're obviously there's a microscope scope on joe biden because of his mental acuity issues here. but, you know, you have to give credit where credit's due, trust has been running, and amazingly moderate to campaign was very, is very careful. he's, he's, he, he is a team, is, is got himself under control. and this is what, and now this, the campaign is completely turned upside down. again,
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everyone's going to be focusing on a, was your rhetoric. it was your narrative, etc, etc, etc. and not on the policy is go ahead. i don't think i knew why. i think i knew why trump is that it seems to be more so, but even even some of that comes in at times when you would think he would rise to the page. the most sensational, i think, is because he's got the media experts and they've looked at the types of things evaluated where he's gone wrong in the past. and you know, he's more, he's but he's between more media professional now. and the way that you can see the way that is, so evidence was it was what does the base with the item? yeah. the other 2 t, the s plus told him you don't need to weigh and you're not made to throw your arms around and say, oh these people themselves. just let the guy bury himself, which is what he did, you know? so i think to there is, there was a new trump emerging, which is one who listens to his advice as well. and it's so clear that button doesn't listen to any of his advisors setting up media, you know, and i think that's really going to make a difference. and it may will mean made
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a critical difference when it comes to the, to the votes and get to but some i, i think we'll have to wait and see. and, you know, i think the also i'm, but it's got enough problems. and the next few weeks, so um, the democrats are telling me that there was a critical cut off point somewhere in the middle of august where there will be no option any more to go with vitamin as well. but definitely with the, with the republican convention coming up. and there's going to be plenty for all of us to chew on here gentlemen, that as all the time we have, i want to thank my guest in budapest and verification. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time. remember, prospect rolls, the
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