the, the the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn john peter lavelle. here we just got some real news. the attempted assassination of donald trump tells us all we need to know about the extreme tensions that make up american politics. sadly, america as a long and deadly history of political violence, the country's political culture is simply toxic. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess your to send me while we in budapest, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which be found on youtube and locals. at americas we have martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. right. let's start out with george in budapest as usual.

george, we called this one. we had been saying for a very long time because of the, um, the perceived um, extremes of american politics that something like an attempted fascination could happen. well, it is already happened. so what does this tell you in a, how does this change the dynamics if at all, go ahead george. so when it says of the election, i think the dynamics, so we simply don't know is he has how that's going to affect the outcome. so, but this was entirely predictable because of the move, you know, years and years of under the sun. oh, harold, hysterical coverage of trump. i mean, so i mean, the median contributed to this. um, absolutely ridiculous hysteria, but of course politicians. and chiefly president, by the who has repeatedly is declared that this is an existing,

shall map of the united states that you know, trump poses, it makes essential for it to be nice if he has been saying this since 2019. and that's remember even before that the trunk was a q is essentially by much of the media. and again, much of the, the democratic party, all having been an agent of the kremlin. nonetheless, it was a traitor. and it goes when you go to somebody afraid. so that when you say that that person is literally add all hip left. well, what happens is the, the, the amazing thing that it's taken this long for something like this to happen. and, and, but what is really disgusting is all these politicians nancy below. oh, so you chuck schumer, i can you geoffrey by and so that was a will we wish trump very speedy recovery? political violence has no place. and now this goes, well, you go to not all 5th what, what if he is out of hipaa? why would you be wishing him speed you recovered? so obviously you were lying and you would just been basically pulling the american

people by golding of ablest oh, this was exactly what you were hoping. what happened? the son, you know, young a young man up active as of assessing was of the 20 years old. when say i go to save the well, so metal, hipaa. so you know this, we did it quite a disgusting pit box is now going on. you know, mark me a, you've already seen the picture, which i wrote that send it to you. it's iconic. it certainly is iconic. it's probably been seen by over a 1000000000 people already around the world. and it's like into like the flag on you will. jima, i mean, or some of the civil rights movement images we have as, as any other assassinations. but the way i read that, that picture is that the way his supporters, i mean, they feel his literal pain. they feel hit the persecution, this ridiculous law fair against them. there's probably a, a 1000000 good reasons to dislike donald trump. but these, this persecution of him in fury yates people and people that maybe not have

a very strong political attitude. they literally feel this man's pain. i think so. yeah, and i think of that and they will be beyond the political camp and they will be a number of the swing swing voters are undecided versus from the other side as well . who now i've seen the, which one, they've seen the court cases and they don't believe that i believe what they're saying. they know that there's less glitch ended up behind all of that. so george's, absolutely right. you know, the exterior, that's been wicked off against from i think it was this the fucking p m who just treated just a few minutes ago. he said something along the lines of, you know, it was an image for single day. so when you put the guy down so much, that a member of the public was going to do the job and stuff ups and knocking and take the short, i'm paraphrasing didn't say exactly like that, but you get to point to not, not, you have to ask yourself, um, the security of this, but these events, i mean, you know, i don't want to be a kid's a be a conspiracy theorist. but no one has to wonder with the,

with the which on the i mentioned before with the, with the amount of the cases they've been brought against from the have to wonder whether the deep state also perhaps arrange it for the security these events to be so poor because it's only a question of time sooner or later before it comes to like america with some crack po, brings along a $100.00 rifle and takes a few shots of a discount. i mean, i think it was an image for that. it, we should be so shocked by it, especially when you look at the video footage, which came online just minutes late to of 3 security late to use f b. i ladies with the restart or shut classes who were just running around the heads of chickens. i mean, it was literally pissy for watching these 3 ladies. one couldn't hosts or a weapon properly. another ones was more concerned about putting a sunglasses incorrectly to look cool. in the behind them was the smart close to them and, you know, taking something away and it was just a few letters to be honest. so you're going to also sort of questions. but i think the broad question, the bigger question is we have lives in these thomas before that something i'm on

is entirely new grounds i saw unprecedented. and i think the bigger question is, is this a small taste of things, companies and stuff, typically ice book, you know, we, we all been bracing us of wondering when we're not so confident we're, we're pretty confident that something was going to win. and the will, the country will america, and i'm tentacles of old pal within it. allow him to win. you know, you're off on november, the 5th. you know, we're going to see thousands of people take to the streets with the home to the rifles or worse. well, i think martin, i think it's pretty fair to say, i'll throw it to george right now. whatever the outcome half the country is not going to agree with it. that's where we are. george. no, that's. that's exactly right. that'd be the other half of the country will not agree with that. and even, even if he is alexis house, well he, will, he the analogy rated george, will it be another piece like that? that's right. and i mean, we'd already know this because he's adding to the hysteria that if the democrats do

come to the house, they will not. so they probably the result. this is something that they've already said they will not certify the result as though it's entirely dependent on the republicans taking the house. we're trying to be installed as president. and, you know, even if he is the president, we're going to get full years of this. and really lives with the, you know, there's a lot of training now in recent years of assassinations. i mean, russell if there's any weeks ago we were talking about this estimation time phone robust fits so, um, you know, the, we had the uh, the assassination attempt at the, the, the congressional bowl game that was in 2017. we had them fascination of them from them. the supreme court justices kind of on a. so they were using all of these events are good. the direct result of the if you scenario that is being uh, went up by that besides the democrats and their of media allies. and

so therefore, if the truck does be comprised of them, that isn't going to stop. so, so like this is this, the they, they've determined the business on business existence loses existence related dips or repeating this. so how america kind of survive. donald trump, remember that a horrible purse of mr. victor newland. uh victor. victoria missed the victoria newland robert kagan wrote, in an all pad and the washington post. and we talked about this. it was about 5 to 6 months ago, which was pretty much cooling for this explanation of the trump. they just said, this man is such a exist central thread. we can't stop him. this is like, this is, julia sees that, you know, this is the only way the way you would give it. we're going to deal with him is the way they deal with julius caesar. so this is here, this is how what the, how the political establishment is thinking. and indeed as mafia said, there are serious reasons. there is questions about the security elapses that i mean, yes, inexplicable, absolutely. yeah. but it really questions?

well it's, it's really quite remarkable. a martin is a, this is a, i'm glad you brought up the flow of our prime minister. mean, this is what we see all across the western world. everything is x a central. if everything is x essential than anything and everything is permitted because it's, you know, it's to be or not to be. this is a, you know, it, you know, it's obviously very reminiscent of a civil war and in the united states. but this is a civil war that's being played out across the west as well. yeah, but it is like stuff. so, and unfortunately, what i've witnessed in, in my career in the last 30 years to john and it says how western countries have become more and more the piece with systems become simplified binary. they become binary. they become, you know, very much a simplified black and whites and choices with people. and i think that has been accelerated by the advent of social media and also martin,

don't you think what do in live thinking about the elections in france and then the u. k. and then the european parliament just, you can win a lot of votes, but you don't get to live a seed. so i mean, it's becoming more and more obvious that the system is rig system is right. i mean to the west of democracy, less than democracy and it's models, plural. i'm not working, it's not functioning anymore. you know? so you're getting the votes to the bottom, the books, the people know that the vote is very much the token part of the whole thing. you know that, that needs to be something else to hold politicians accountable. and um, so you know, uh, especially some attempts that public valleys in america, it's certainly something that surprises us assassination attempts in western leaders like just to back in pm. perhaps this is going to be something that we're going to see more great grandmother in the press because, you know, as i say i, i think the confidence is just waiting. now, you know, we were looking for an alternative level and the present one, you know, just just don't seem to what we're looking at nature for example,

which just celebrate his birthday, you know, some pundits of all use, well, the basis of may so 75 years ago it was a particular name on, i mean, the idea that the service had this ministry threat against us. i'm going to wipe us out the same argument. same, essentially, some gonna say absolute unqualified on viruses, uninstall the absolute explanations which were supposed to smaller. whether the, well, i mean, in never, and given a democratic test, you know, you know, george is really interesting is the way, when we look at these elections, but your participation legitimize is the outcome, but not your decision. you see what i'm saying is that the, no, it's the we have a, we have a vibrant but when democracy because people vote but it doesn't. that doesn't deal with the outcome of the vote. george know that that's right. i mean that, and that's why there is this gunston manny attempt to get everyone to vote to tell you. oh, really, really, what did you vote your most about? you know, that's your duty as a citizen to vote. and then, and i think was a little why what, what differences are gonna make and why we're getting lead is that we don't want to,

you know, to attend. that is that we don't want any effect this level. the problem with this or the west and democratic model is that it's just based on one of printers, which is we have to keep out the other guy. the other guy is an existing show threat that that's all so we don't, we don't actually and promise you anything. we don't have a positive program. we don't, we don't, we have no idea how to improve your life. but that person, that person is literally hitler, and we have to do whatever we can in order to keep them out of us. and this is what we're doing. this is what is it, whether it's united states, whether it's crossed. so it is in germany and i get very soon, it will be the case in the u. k. where, you know, the, the, the, the, it, the, the, literally, hipaa will be natural garage or we have to keep them out. otherwise, democracy will come to an end. yeah, every, when, when everything becomes it's essential than everything is legitimate any, everything is on the table except for in recognition of the democratic process. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break,

and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real need to stay with r t. the a beautiful sun soaked to the vineyards nestled among some rest, taking rolling hills. as

a gentle breeze comes off of the surrounding sea comic imagery of french wine country. but this is not france. we are in a coupon at russia on the black sea where recently they've got a serious about making some world class wants the welcome magic cross that boulevards on peter lavelle. blanche were discussing some real news. okay, let's go back to george and in budapest here, i mean, what does this ascending a very dangerous signal? because 1st of all, we're looking at the drums opponents, they are, they're, they're crocodile tears. means it's pretty hard to believe. i mean, we went through this whole debate fiasco, and we all were told that he and joe biden is just the jim dandy, you know, sharp is attack and all of that. and then we see what happened and then they do a flip. and now there's pretending that they never demonized donald trump. there are plenty of reasons to dislike donald trump. i don't get anything wrong. but you

know, to turn around now and say don't, we don't want anything a, any, we don't have any ill feelings. we don't, we don't have any hope for a disaster to, to come across him, but that's not true. it's all likes. very good. exactly. it was all lies. and it was done precisely in order to whip up. this is there in your car, just as i say, well, you know, this isn't really what we meant. we, we're in the business of civil discourse. i think obama issues, when we need, we need civil discourse. they're all we don't and there's no, no, no wrong. so violence, how is this civil disclose? the will remember that to then defend that solemn events with the red lights that the by the i called the muso, any moment, you know, silly name or anything which it was saying that, you know, and again, the strength was not just on chrome, loss of child support which is the enrollment soon. the beginning of the biden's

term, he was talking about this, the existential thread cruise by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could go the, all the, you know, the, the ad cfax is the white supremacists, the white nationalism of the mag i'll follow is that is now they've been playing this political game really, you know, for years and years. and of course, something like this is going to happen a now this, the toner rooms, what we wish him a speedy recovery this. what's the mileage of this that is out all hibler and he's going to in democracy they, he's agenda is to in democracy. now you wish you must be there we go. why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy according to martin the, the way the rhetoric has been played out and it's almost getting close to 10 years . and that when you think about it, okay, almost 10 years is that there is no middle ground. there is no compromise. everything is a pure a t test. okay? you can't run a democratic society like that for very long. it's,

it's nissan and i think the, the situation that we're not in america. well, we have a choice of these 22 liters, who are both quite controversial and quite polemic for different reasons. i think the system is quite limited in the system. it may will be the, this particular election will spark, are completely new process. and the new process of dialogue from people right across this all types of society to ask you to, can we do something about the system? can we create a system which is more on more liberal, know, put in something which, which sense a certain more flexibility. in addition, for example, you know, we, we've seen the emergence of kids to get stomach who has basically taken control of the country with the lowest election to announce ever a. so people are starting to ask questions. you know, is it time for breast, some type of proportional representation of voting system? i think i'm probably the america is unlike person. you don't have that protest.

foot accountants are in the middle of you don't have a policy called the liberals. you know, it's either one thing or the other, i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this is really now more than ever were beginning to see how this system is sustaining people. and you are quite right to say that, you know, it's very hard to imagine how coming into power with at least half of the country. now obviously it's time to the world come in. and so my point, my point is somebody has to change, and i think this is probably the breaking point. yeah, i mean it's because george, you mean elections, they're becoming less meaningful. i mean, you, just, as you pointed out, you know, what, you know, things everybody has to vote, you know, we're a voter turnout. you know, this legitimize the election, but it doesn't happen that way. i mean, it's still, it's for a boat in the se, in western media, but i mean, there are tens of millions of americans that don't believe that the 2020 outcome. they believe that trump one in 2016,

the one in 2020. and he's good one went in 2020 thoughts except for they won't let him. they can just so you can define that yourself. go ahead. george. yes, that's, that's. that's right. and that's exactly how people will see it. and really, you know, this, this is estimation of the time comes off, there's the series of events. remember, you know, they tried to take him off the ballot, but it's a kind of unheard of do that. that takes somebody off of the ballot where you don't have a right to vote for this person. imagine that, i mean the hosp, the country regard. sam has the legitimate prison and then he said, well, no, no we, we, we made a decision if you don't have the right to vote. so i've never done the, you know, and attorney general in new york state decide that i'm just going to bankruptcy. i'm just going to take away the will of his money and i'm going to come up with some convoluted ridiculous legal theory that has never been tried. and i know i'm going to get a sympathetic judge. i was just going to take all his money away and they,

and they tried to do it, it's only because they the, the court jumped in and said, well, you know, i'll give it, take it easy with, with, with, with this, this money grab another because we you know, we have uh, you know, was the, uh, the in full indictments. i mean, it's just unheard of, you know, use, it's been a president. there's never been invited once and now we have full of time for an election. so this is the last 90 process in which you got these political 5 is the absolutely determined to prevent the coming to plow of somebody will off the country regards as they're legitimately to. well, you know, all the way this is the fundamental unstable situation. i mean, the have, or that has to be some kind of a political consensus whereby, you know, you don't believe is accept outcomes and respectfully leader of the organization. now what, what we had did during these last 2 and, you know,

24 hours easily off the he bunker said english, the political, the stablish of pretend that's the system. yeah, we all wish him well, a prez. i still to impreza with these families of the i to the because sign at the moment is strictly to solve this thing. but ultimately, we know we're going to go back with a few weeks. we're going to go back to the uh, the, the truck, hysteria. m a, you know, martin and so i'm glad the judge brought up these frivolous lothair suits because the, in the liberals, they prefer riggs jerry's. but i think the rest of us would prefer the jury of the electorate let they let the electorate be the jury. now you've already explained to us the, the impediments in the u. k. i mean, i'm astounded by me. the outcomes of the french and u. k. a selection, i mean, just because you're with a lot of votes, doesn't mean you get much power, a seal the think come when the case of trump is what's, what's really interesting for me is that this break. so this sort of from the

crumbling of this foundation of what we believe since so long with the foundations of american democratic model. you know what people really believes and that they almost had a rigid river and as to it, in the forty's and fifty's and now it's crumbling. and it's comforting on both sides. you know, we talk about trump in this estimated time. it seems to me to invite him to come, don't need to buy some kid to to sheep bikes and the warehouse near nobody's name here and nobody's doing it seems to be doing it a pretty good, self assess nice little suicide on himself. you know, we were saying panic now in the whole system and the democrats are beginning to panic in a different way. you go now i think 20 congressmen have written to, to, to but i'm saying look, you know, you know, we love you, but give it up. i think also hollywood has been waiting and as well. people at george clearly read it was very diamond piece of the new york times, i mean, really touching base, some nice things spoken, but also a lot of hollywood products, you know, well, you know, i probably probably only,

i really do not have careful but to put like shepherds go, any other say, a hollywood is so corrupt and the money, you know, money corrupts everything. so money coming from hollywood into the political process is just the script. you know, you don't judge what's really, what's really amazing to me. trump, it will be a dictator. he will shut down democracy. you know, refresh my memory. he was president of the dispute is okay, i didn't shut down the media didn't shut down the trade unions. he didn't, he didn't go after hillary clinton, they made his own deal. jay went after him. meanwhile, this is just say, a narrative may add a folk song. it's not as if we don't know who the guy is. is that that's the amazing thing. because, you know, we've, if you look back on the trump, is it basically galvan and as a kind of a moderate centrist or a republican? i mean romney, derek. i'm at raleigh. i mean, yeah, you know,

he brought in the tax guys. every republican president, boy says, tax gods, i mean that's the signature policy of, of republican administrations. and it does have as far on all of say, well, they've promised all kinds of things. he never deliver it. so, you know, the, the whole idea always going to withdraw from need. so he's going to withdrawal from syria. he's going to withdraw him from afghanistan, and he didn't do any of those things. and they get over. he gets like, even by then, you know, you know, then go over say, you know, i, i know founded by the no one here is the final by and please the withdrawal from afghanistan and trumped. isn't that sad? yeah, i'm going to do that. but he, you know, ultimately he didn't go ahead with it. so if you look back on those, he is just to take away his personality. he was a pretty, a centrist republican. so the hysteria has absolutely no basis whatever the whole this, like what you said made out of whole bloke, but the idea that he was pro russia, but he favor brewton is just so stupid. so with the all this, well,

the arch was russia gave his back. ok, let's you know, you know, mind it's really interesting. in looking at this campaign, you're obviously there's a microscope scope on joe biden because of his mental acuity issues here. but, you know, you have to give credit where credit's due truck has been running. and amazingly moderate to campaign was very, is very careful. he's, he's, he, he is, he's, he's, he's got himself under control. and this is what, and now this, the campaign is completely turned upside down. again, everyone's going to be focusing on. it was your rhetoric, it was your narrative, etc, etc, etc. and not on the policy is go ahead. i don't think i know why i think the why trump is that seems to be more so but um, even even some of the lumps and at times when you would think he was rushed to bates and be more sensational. i think it's because he's got the media expert center and they've looked at the types i need to evaluate it where he's gone wrong

in the past. and you know, he's more, he's but he's between more media professional now and the way that you can see the way that is. so evidence was it was what is the base with the by doesn't have it to he. then they ask plus, told him, you don't need to weigh and you don't mean to throw your arms around and say, oh, these stupid insults. just let the guy bury himself, which is what he did, you know? so i think there is, there was a new trump emerging, which is one who listens to his advice as well. and it's so clear the blind doesn't listen to any of his advisors setting up media, you know, and i think that's really going to make a difference on it. it may will mean made a critical difference when it comes to the, to the function and, you know, but some, i, i think we'll have to wait and see. and, you know, i think also um, but it's got enough problems and the next few weeks. so, um, the democrats are telling me that there was a critical cut off point somewhere in the middle of august, where there will be no option any more to go with vitamin as well. but definitely with the,

with the republican convention coming up. but there's gotta be plenty for all of us to chew on here gentlemen, that as all the time we have, i want to thank my guessing, budapest and verification. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are dc and next time remember, prospect most, the least of russian states never is as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best. most i'll send send up the in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will. and in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia, including a split the ortiz vote net,

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