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we have to get rid of everything, the, the hello and welcome to cross top bullhorn john peter a little here we discussed some real news. we're trying to really be able to bring the conflict in ukraine to it in given the forces arrayed against him from says he would end the car like before being inaugurated. what would his deal look like? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he is a pod cast for as a gamble, which can be found on youtube and locals. and in america we have marble. j. he is and award winning journal as an commentator or a gentleman cross type rules and the fact that news can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated quite, let's kick it off with george included as well. it's becoming real, george. i mean,
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you know, we have heard that from said throughout the campaign that he would end the conflict and ukraine in 24 hours. he's even given a call the recently before he was an i'll get rated if he is victorious and november. and looking at the convention, but there's a, there has been a lot of, there hasn't been a lot of commentary about few wasn't there. and a lot of the old neil comes very well known individuals lives, chaney, and bill crystal ball, ryan, and many, many others. like pens, they weren't there, j. d. vance, was there, mike pompei or was there as well. i think you get my drift here. you know, trump is his election prospects are looking good. um and so we have to think hard about the reality that he may inherit this more than bite and started as well. that's exactly right. and um, trump has been quite skillful in maintaining and i'm big usa s
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do well in the 1st that is what exactly america 1st really means. but in the 2nd place, how if you will resolve this problem that in ukraine because it goes and yes, there are other people like a j d vans. they take it to me in the very 1st we, we focus on america's problems. we don't waste our resources on the peripheral issues such as your crime, but they're all is well there, room such as we get a powerful congressional, cham and like mike them a cool. and their idea of america for us is what we go in and we own like bite and give you credit in the tools to finish the job. so that is that, yeah, yeah, the, you know, what trump will do is very different from of buying book. he will actually help ukraine when this will. well, that's completely the opposite of what the trump has been saying. there's
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a truck has been driving by without having to do exactly spell out. i mean, they've been various papers written by people associated with the american 1st policy institute, like going frederick flights and uh keith kellogg. um. but the trump has never worked, endorsed any of those plans. so yes, he says he is going to end this in 24 hours, but it's never any given us some idea of how exactly that will be accomplished or what exactly that you know, final kind of, uh, anything of the will will look like. yeah. line you, i think it was on friday that drum had a conversation with the, the now illegitimate president of the grange zelinski. and the read out from both sides was kind of boiler plate them. it was an excellent, perfect telephone spell of his with his drug, like sikes to say that they made it sound like there was a lot of agreement, but nothing, nothing, nothing was specified. no details where's best, like,
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for example, endorsing the, the china and proposal or a of an african proposal or reacting to a poor new send repeatedly about how negotiations. cuz i know the details were given except really weren't agreement. that's, that's about encouraging what they were in agreement to the idea of trump waiving his magic wand. encouraging a solution for everyone, including the landscape but nothing, nothing for us as much detail as because i don't think so because of the details of this point. you know, and um, i think as soon as, if your insurance gets position, probably a very wary of trump. you know, it's, uh is, is it a little bit like taking advantage of the demo? you know, one minute from can be a friend the next minute you can be a biggest enemy if you just don't react the way you was needed to rattle the time and respect his particular requirements when it, when it comes to media or whatever. so i think i'm probably with as an excuse, trying very carefully amazing, simply had a conversation because you know,
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everybody is now just assuming that we're gonna have trump in the white house. and he's now going to have to live up to this, this declaration you made a long time ago, these gonna fix your credit and in 24 hours. and nobody actually really believes that, you know, the russians have been taking very sober restore approach to it. that i think the official statement was let us know they were gonna stick, you know, and trump made the statement before about fixing them, at least when he was president. and in fact, you know, it's sort of them hacks like me who actually look at them at least and say, well actually, if you have not done what you did with this well, and i'm given israel the, the impetus and the status that you didn't go and show in the trunk comp. elizabeth took in really cool to abraham records and shifting capitals and ignores you listen to how immoral code all these things, you know, perhaps the october 7th events wouldn't happened because link the to, you know,
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think when you go back to and you're going to pick a picture, i think october, the 7th was a huge circuit breaker sitting for, for the palestinians. i'm part of that was that they go sold down the river with the but i'm a coach by everyone including the harps. you know, so i think he's in a pickle and i will in myself to his proposal, months ago or wherever it was. years ago that he was so ukraine won't die because he would just tell it up and say, right, yeah, no, i'm going to more might the end of us funding and not more or less would be the silver bullet, but it's actually a bit more complicated than that and i think, i think what we're seeing reality is that he will pull off a seesaw in his 1st week and office. but taking it further from that, it's going to be very, very difficult. because there are a whole bag of complications the which one that initially when he made those statements, one of which this has been mentioned by george, his daddy bones who doesn't give a tooth hurts about ukraine. i'm,
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but i is sick. sing up the rest right now to worse i won and china. and so that complicates things you feel as a, was russia signing any sort of a piece deal in ukraine. you know, there's lots and lots of news now. and that's always a good copy of that we mentioned on this program and you can have as many ideas and proposals as you want. but there for us, it isn't at the table even then it's just a utility georgine united pointed out in the past. and maybe it's a um, immaterial detail. but when trump has said, you know, he wants this resolved before he is. and now get ready to this kind of interesting to me and maybe it's a reach, but i've always felt and i've always felt that there was a mistake on the part of his movement. is this the call despite who's wards in the distance and south of from it. and he doesn't want this war on his watch. he has
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a lot of other things he wants to do. it maybe that's just read a reach and reading into something that isn't their thoughts. well, i think that's right. i mean it was famously. i think daniel patrick moynihan told richard nixon just as he was taking office in january 1969 the unless you bring this lauren via tom to it in, in no time. and so this will be known as nixon's war. but until then, it has been johnson's will, and i was going to be nixon's well, and that's in fact, what happened. the nixon wasn't able to bring this war to an immediate conclusion. alex was t then god blamed for the war, and i think trump consciously or unconsciously, it is thinking along those lines that are in no time a tool and the democrats are very, very good at the political marketing will say, hey, this is drums. war trump has made a hash of this trunk problem is that he would bring this to an end. he hasn't brought it to an end is actually even worse than he was. it's trunk floor. so he,
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he wants to begin this office planes, but it's a little easier to send them down now. um the, the issue of, well, you know what? and then their suggestions of this from being the boss and their suggestions of this from this fred flights and that keeps cat local road was paid before the merge of all right. and so as far as is, is that, well, what are they going to do? is go to zelinski and say, well, unless you show up for a peace conference with russia, we're going to cover off your assistance. and then they go to the russians and say, well, unless you show up to the strong presence and clearly indicate that you want to end as well, we're going to double our assistance to ukraine. so i think that that being very queued um, but then the, even if this happens, even if the, and that's possibility of, of i get this conference going and that's pro. and so that's getting realizes that the days of each piece going process without russia are over. i think you've come,
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willing says that if we have a conference and roster has to attend. but even if that happens, then where do we go from here? yeah, you may want to put a ceasefire in place, but what would be the point of that? the one selling point that i think trump has the, which is all involved, fish from buying is that he doesn't care about nato. and so that whole issue of, of where, you know, open the door to nato for you. great, you know, every country has a right to decide little in joining a control. doesn't care about that. so that at least could be both on was yours. ok . they get hold of more. so george of the market right now, nato is going to do whatever the us wants at the end of the day at the end of the day. that's what it's going to be. they can, they can have all of their p, r, and they are complaining and trump proofing and all that. but once the word is out from washington, nato will follow ok, but that doesn't make things simple. go ahead mark. now, i mean, we'll next we will be around to, i mean, since you're pretty small, people certainly much smaller people to me, photos of them. so i'm out running this up. it's the same. that is main service on
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a self destruction cause i think, um, i don't think some would have any problems. me going, don't history being the capitalist who bought that about, you know, he, the products on school is that, whichever way he moves is going to come from a full own collision with you, or i know there's, there's so many signals. now the americans are heading to the trade will, here of trump and vance. now want to um, hike up tires with china. effects on a whole lot of goods right across the will no longer with china, but with the europeans as well. and it's, it's done that wiggle room that doesn't have the leverage. so you said that, you know, america basically is nathan nathan was america. if he has a massive ton from an cents to the present scalar, you're not only having nimble aid from america. you have a memo, aid from nato, and you from the big players individually in europe. that could be a huge game changer that could, that could be, you know, pretty amazing that could stop every say and get people to focus. mine's got in
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those articles that i think you're referring to, but the meetings on the phone go sorry. between to lensky and trump. there were a couple of tiny details and gentlest for the 10th. one of them was the full key regions, you know, which are and, and, and the disputes and was a, so then you would give them up. it's written the message, this is out of the question. those lensky in no way could get those readings up, which then throws the spotlight back on so lensky and how he come over night in my view, go from being a friend to so withdrawn. and the reaction to that was going to be, well, you are the problem now. so you have to go, you know, and, and the problem is lucy's golf course is that it was due to me see, you know, you mentioned earlier, there is not the person anymore. yeah. how much lower than that go on for when you have these international piece conferences and where russia, what are the video bridge showing our viewers very clearly health problem. ag drums problem is i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break,
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the, the welcome back to across the old ones on people about here we're discussing some real news. okay george, i need to go back to you. um. come pointing in peach. don't worry too crazy. you might think though, we should remember that. okay. more of it, you know, it looks at it very with any varies with a very sober mind, but buying is entire ukraine policy has not been so, but it's been extremely reckless and people are attached to this. i mean, it's pax americana. it is maintaining, had gemini, the, the effort to the, and it's like the strategic defeat on russia is just as real now as it was for years charge. so that's exactly right. and i think bass with the problems are going
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to arise for come, because the republican party, along with the democrats and support this war and i mean by their public. and by being a big, large proportion of it, let me so like when, when that 61000000000 dollar package where ukraine uh was passed um a few weeks ago. um basically, you know, the, the senate republicans falsely congressional republican supported it. so that's where they trumps problems that exist. if he does go down this month, if it decides to bite the bullet and the spend that goes along and says, well this, this when you ran, it makes no sense. i think it makes no sense for us to wage war against russia. we need russia as an ally against china, which i think probably is what he really thinks, even though you know that it's been consistently thing that says way, it's like same. so therefore, let's you know, this has nothing to do with our america with our interest. let's just bring it to an ent. he is going to come into conflict immediately with it can,
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we can rational republicans and they are very unhappy about that because the input they and that it was, well now say we need to do give you great everything it needs to get the job done to the feed for our ship, so ultimately he's going to have to build a good to confront this problem that his own party is deeply divided on this issue in a fruitless river. let's remember who's of his own speaker, you know um mike or mike, but he doesn't, you know, mike johnson, he's the one to push that 61000000000 dollar package for ukraine. so you gotta keep him happy. is it? so it's going to be very difficult for him and you mentioned about the impeachment . yeah, that's a real possibility. i mean the lead people like lindsey graham and, and michael mccaul and all the rest of them. they're not just going to sit still and uh, and, and watch. uh, you, ukraine, that's basically it or we, ukraine is being sold down the river when we're getting food and everything will be
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of george. we see the russia gate rearing its ugly head. you can no rush. it gave him a get. okay, this is already in the mix right now, martin, you know, it's interesting when we, when mike from pale he actually spoke at the, at the convention trying to, um, uh, uh, take on or uh, uh, appropriate to himself. what america 1st is, which is definitely complete, diametrically opposed to what someone like from and but from what we know of advancement, there are other people around john radcliffe, robert o'brien, rick right now. so i don't see them going along with the trump vans vision here. i mean it's, we can say there's just going to be congressional resistance, but even within his administration, if he's thinking about my pay or marco rubio, i, i don't know, i would think that the, the, the, the impeachment process will be set up in january. still some problems,
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the definitely have some problems which he, he couldn't possibly, soto envisions a earlier on when he made this a read over simplistic statements. but you credit your credit isn't going to be resolved in a day or a week or, or, or i think and months. i think it's going to be a long standing issue, a sorta inside of trump, in his new administration. what was interesting for me about the conference is the 3 brits who turned up. i'm not sure if i just trust and, but i just don't see what really shocked me. i don't really did. opens that. i'm a jewel. just let me further drill. i couldn't not believe peter, how much time trump gave devoris johnson. embarrassed, don't really know this. what the british press is wrong. the articles and the independence saying basically the bar as johnson is more or less convinced from that. so he needs to can continue the campaign with ukraine and against russia, and the front of the even gets pressed covers the fact that the bar is johnson got
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the time to talk to him. it gives you an indication, but he's not quite so gun. how and quite so, binary, now on new kinds us before, he's prepared to work with some of the people around the world to a very close to ukraine is i of course, don't. so they've got to be honest. lensky is by really has to pick up. people just did have at least one big. that's now how can you hide just big boy, just, just to go around the well, just basically, you know, promote thing ukraine's landscape. he's not the old one. he's not in there, but where is that still going to and you know, i think it could go either way, but it, so we might, we might be support. we might be surprised, but actually trump reaching out more to who's a lives you know, onto how to fund diplomatic solution, which gives him still the price. i'm the and the, the, the international procedures they need, the way this thing about the whole thing of your credit for me is you have this relationship between a trump and 210. and one has to ask, think of this question,
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what's it based on? is it based on from one thing to do huge business in the countries the pension of that as a real control over real estate, whatever. um or is it just an operation or is it when they do the russian secret service will go all sorts of things on from the he's worried about. it's really amusing how this continues, but just don't see how it so i think, you know, george, i think it's kind of more common sense. i mean, why should the united states and must should be enemies? why? okay, what? yeah, i'm short. so that's exactly right. and i think that's the look instinctively trump on this stuff, but when the colewell came to an end and the book, but the well what, what, what's, what's this of the football? i don't think that there's any real relationship between from and russia. i think it was the late, steven co and your supply. the trend is actually one of the few got
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a leading businessman in the united states or hasn't made a lot of money in roster a another. you know, he's talked about various projects building of trump. uh, but he's never really uh, pull that. oh, i think that's what he does. see russia as a potential ally against china, he believes in brands, believes that china is a looming threat. and, and that's, and they basically have to have to mobilize the alliance, the extent that you know, it's, it's still worth having, you have to mobilize it against the china. i mean, i think he would like to, uh, downgrade the europeans in as well. okay. we, we will contain russia, but you do that that's, that's your task. another lady of europeans like, you know that, that's what you need to focus on. we will focus on china. is that what we, we will reorient though. so those 2 contain china in asia. i think that's what
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you would like um your is just as a mess here with you and you know you can either way it has to be resolved. but um, you know, they put the plastic so you know, we can take the oregon and so far is johnson. so your van goes through the trunk because yeah, yeah, yeah, trump told me he's gonna bring this to an end on full of confidence that the lady knows as though he's going to bring it to an end. um and then the bar is done. so it says, yeah, i'm absolutely confident the drum blows up to do with the crate. so what does that feel as if joseph look from just sent that tells it his name. so lucky it does what they want to hit. or if i'm able to, the was going to come to an end of the test to bring it to an end, hidden in by the, by the time he is in order to write the bar is johnson says, yeah, trump to go guy trump season. he's with us on the nato. he's going to do your george, you think the wrong is the made disappoint to everyone? customer? yeah. my friend, you know, so we've talked about with boris johns and things and j. b. vance. and maybe what
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trump saying they came out and thought about watching the russians care about any of this conversation. yeah, that's a very good point. the other thing that the, if you look at the, i see all of patient and you go back long enough when there was a possibility of russia in the european union and america coming closer together and even russia becoming part of nature. i think he's our deal and so his role ideology is to rush that should be both of us. it should be integrated more, you know, so from a business point of view, from a group, this group point of view from a piece point of view, i don't, i don't believe puts in this a little more. but i know there was so many people in the 3rd and a small to me on social media for that, but i just don't buy it. i never saw a kitchen name, but don't you think martin? i mean, i, i, you know, there's, there's the antecedents to all of this. i mean, i'm, if you look at it at a distance, the, i'm good was very kind of a much more liberal when he started out, then in this chain. why? because the west is a club in russia is not invited. certainly thing. i mean,
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what do you do if you're not invited? okay, you have to go your own way. yeah. but i think, i think the most, i think what i think i'll go today is there a way long got a loan. yeah. well yeah, i mean, nor do we even had the, the, the, the board minister loved it off age that you can actually me something i said, you know, when they come with this in part of the conflict in ukraine started, this is going to be a breach covering and generation generations. george. yes, i think that that's right. i, i do things. oh, the russians would like the the to written to some kind of uh no mallet the normal races, but we'll trade freight. yeah, exactly, but it's not, it isn't going to happen any time, any time really in the foreseeable future. and i think that's because one of your has decided to do your business. i'd have to mobilize itself, mobilize that entire, go to europe in continents against russia, is done it without any real concern for its own interest,
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but either so it is mobilize that it's now going to be very, very difficult for all that has happened. i'll throw, you know, all of sending all of this and military assistance in order to kill russians. it's going to be very difficult. oh, okay, what do you really mean if, let's, let's go back to the good old days of what good old days will be scaled. elmwood cole and the boy is the old general on gillum pulling the young boots. and this isn't going to happen. and uh, they give it to it and let me get them. i think you some ideas of your hopes along the russians that maybe we can do that, but that's just not all of marvin finish it up for the last 30 seconds. go ahead. i think the take away now. so for me, for the last few days, looking at all these huge events is the holistic news from brussels that live on the land is now going to have another 5 years in part. what does that tell you about health and stuff? that's a european solution to
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a european problem. good luck. and she's already re buying your fist on the table and talking about, you know, getting morgan, who were china and empowering more, but money off to good money into the ukraine. black hole, you know, it, it, so many people of said to me on social media, this is fantastic news because it means in a long time it's going to be some sole resolution in the countries and much else more, you know, and you know what you're stuck with unfortunately, but the cops only yours, you're a bit stuck and we'll see if the republican party is stuck on. we heard a lot of good things, but a lot of bad people still hanging around on. i think my guess in budapest, in mary america, ash and i would course i'm gonna think i'd be worse for watching you. c r t c. next time. remember across stuff was the,
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