with 6 children, i've never felt safe for my entire life. then living here, the

9111. yeah, there's an emergency, a manual check display depo shot down here. please send somebody right away. the manual charge to manually and there's people shot shot to pass on demanding the check. please come right away. did you see him at all? yes, he's a young 21. why do the police are not in human? what happened at the mother of manuel and the church in charleston, south carolina, in the summer of 2015, was almost to her risk to comprehend the white gun and stormed into a bible study. 9 church members died right before god another church

church church. what do we know about who this man is and what is what division may have been following women and taken over the country? you have to go shortly after dylan rufus capture investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted online with dozens of images hosing that confederate heritage sites in with confederate flags. now the focus of the nations outrage shifted from the killer himself to the symbol that seemed to contain within its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs harks the backlash was swift. terrific shooting has re ignited the highly sensitive debate over the confederate flag. this flag is for come assembled, the murder of races and hatred. and it is clearly a symbol of this killer. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag.

it's been about moral empathy, seeing the flag through others eyes. you know, at the moment for society to really do a good check of our values, corporate giants like ebay target and wal mart, stop selling items bearing the confederate flag, telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. in less, less 3 minutes, amazon just pulled the slide as well. even nascar, an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism. a special offer for race fans this week. you can train in your confederate flag for an american one. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy from other a manual pastor. comment of painting, removing the flag from the space capital would not be an act of political correctness. it would not be an insult to the balance of confederates only would simply mean an acknowledgment clause for which they fall.

2 weeks later, the flag came down in south carolina for i get getting a lot of attention as all because of this, the raffle banner charts to make you know, i'm not gonna listen to your if you care about me, you care about the place. and as far as the sort of small 16, do you think the confederate flag is offensive? as you can see, it's about even with somebody. just tell me why this, since they're here, our government is functioning the chosen symbol of a terrorist organization. our state far. i love the southern the southern bell. i think we have the most beautiful flags we need to fight for

my problem is the safe way. so we're seeing everyone in not a time in east. and what they're trying to do is they're trying to sell us as mississippians that we should change. right. you don't like the i was born and raised in the north by irish, great, great grandfather, michael o'connor, was an officer in the union army. but i married in mississippi and,

and of course we live here. now the main street in the neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis, a mississippi plantation owner and us senators who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory. he was elected president of the confederacy. there's another jeff davis avenue short drive away. and jefferson davis, his home in presidential library, is just up the highway like many mississippi county court house as a monument to confederate soldiers. and some of our neighbors splitting the states flag in their yards. something i've never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon, mississippi change seems inevitable to tell me what sort of interactions are you

having with folks who are interested in buying mississippi state paper or buying mississippi state flags more than usual. evidently, there must be a shortage on a road somewhere and it is shame. my name is tim cupid, and i'm a member of the sons of confederate veterans. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family photo on both sides union and confederate, but so if some people lane left something, blaine, right? we'll outlines now. we want people to remember our past what our ancestors went through. and this prize that we made the, i appreciate you being here and i hope that when you're doing your documentary that

you, um, present both sides positive manner and, and let people make them on that for themselves. i understood that confederate, a heritage, supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee after all. i assured him and everyone else i spoke to on the film that i wasn't going to choose aside. mr. bate. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided over state flag whose purpose should be to unite us. mm. the

signs are considered veterans purposes not to defend confederate govern our purposes, to defend the name of the confederates sold. that's the oath that you take, which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere or not can but they're not monuments to the federal government. they're monuments to the, to this soldiers, to the veterans. most of the game bag, terribly wanted the ship side that those masters of some sort and that's not true. and so i can't just sit there while that story gets told this. i know it's not true. of course, for me, i'm fascinated with mississippi history of the different because the census in 1840,

i think it's the 1st one. so everybody here was 20 years old. everybody to know people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and. and then within 20 years of that, you're fighting for your existence as a nation. the desktop, the, that's how we got here was these people were determined to lay of the or the same connection. not, not, not only with sweetwater anus, any part in for any and say not done. look, this state flag,

she never would have been brought back up. if it wasn't for what happened on june the 17. in charleston, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew hands and legs came down. that pole walked in that church and field, those people. it was a human being that did that. not a slide the open your mouth. open your mouth, the we keep them your mouth open, it does something with the concussion. every flag has its history. it has its broad and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the us black. there's videos of this one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in

washington dc. and they're only flying us flag. so, why not be offended because of that's like, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. the dates you say you are fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based on money and power in the only way you can get money in power here in this style is if you kill a disenfranchised people in slaves. lane is always knew what the confederate emblem made to us is

the african americans. but what can you tell me what it always meant? patriot lynchings, beatings, poverty. why supremacy is just the disgusting ambulance? i feel that way because i leave the of the in the 2nd half of the 1940, the powerful european armies were losing their colors. one of the 1st to start collaborating. what's the dutch empire? on august 17, 1945. the declaration of independence of indonesia, a former judge,

colony was park lane, the liberation movement, 1st led by the national hero of the, in the needs of people. to garner, however, amsterdam had his own plan, which was to defeat the revolution. more over, they were supported by great britain. the colonial troops setup control over the main cities in the country, but the countryside remained in the hands of the rebels and the resistance continued growing. in 1946, the british left indonesia, whereas the dutch did not want to lose power and switch to the tactics of total terror. in december 1947, the royal troops committed a massacre of the inhabitants in the village of rubble got a 431 civilians were killed. all in all the lives of 100000 indian agents were on the conscience of the dutch colonialists and their allies, mass executions, and regular bombing did not help the netherlands. their troops got blocked in the cities. the world community demanded to put it into violence. and the empire

started in negotiations. in 1949, the head round table conference was held in the kingdom of the netherlands was forced to recognize the independence of indonesia. a sovereign muslim state appeared on the world map and became one of the most powerful countries in the islamic world. the news this is really serious suffix all. ready references

and a flag is always present like it was, is south carolina shot records. the 16 the thing about the mississippi, the

lot of phones of consider with veterans and members of the k k k. i say that they are christians. i just, it is my hope in my desire that god would push them to put tre. christine, how do you change the heart of a man or no, may not change your channels and it does change. i have it to man. when you began to change the habits and then for this purpose, the hops would be changed. my mother, she file for welfare wise for women. they how sit down with hoses. she still held the bite marks on her leg from the dog. and she also went to jail and i was like to

know this, my mamma. why, why? i mean, she's the sweetest person. oh no one was somebody to do that to her it was a power when the news came on about the shooting. mama say that they don't make no sense if i stood up and went to jail and gab be for human rights and civil rights. some way of feeling right now be able to do something. and when she said, y'all better do something, we do something, or i'm the director of a flat file mississippians coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise awareness about the importance of removing the confederate emblem from our state flag is going to be hard, but it's not in the past week and you just have to keep pushing it keeps drive and

i just thank god for the grace and mercy because you need a whole lot of a lot of people march from g r lynch street to the state capital calling for change and the state slides. we just need a flag that were unified. everyone. the not long after i met sharon's, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative. due to health reasons. it would be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found it ally and lia campbell, an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast. for me as a white woman, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white mississippi. and i'm a person of privilege to use my privilege to do what i can to dismantle

a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy that my ancestors created. the i grew up in the south, so i didn't have a sense of the racism that still exist here. and um, it would be nice. i me or anyone else to deny that that exists. then the shooting in charleston happened, and i distinctly remember saying the best photo, dylan res, posing with the confederate bar and reading his bar code. and then watch governor nikki haley has the courage to take that confederate envelope down from south carolina state house. ground it really made me angry that our governor and our legislators could not display the same courage.

um, so i knew i had to get involved. were fighting with the do you feel when they were like her? that why is like, what we are missing is better than the this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestle,

weather flag in 1993 the young, double a c p. c with the state to change the flag for familiar reasons. that lawsuit level discovery that due to a legislative air in 19 o, 6, mississippi did not have an official state flag in 2001 governor. ronnie must grow decided to settle the issue with the statewide referendum, asking voters to choose between 2 flags. the current flag at the time which had been adopted and $1894.00 and a new design. now the mississippi slag is wavering at this time, voters will decide if the confederates symbol will fall. the flag of 18941 by nearly 2 to one margin, settling the issue for the time being the flag of 18. 94 was adopted just 4 years after mississippi and continued to

constitutional convention to write a new state constitution. the civil war had ended 30 years earlier, and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states population, only one of the convention delegates was black. reconstruction was over, and white mississippians had regained political controls and the majority black population through violence and intimidation. and a newly formed ku klux klan. the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was to circumvent the 15th amendment, which prohibited the government from denying us citizen the right to vote based on race. let's tell the truth of it 1st. the bottom of the university said we came here to exclude the other convention. delegates confirmed this notion the

the mississippi's constitution of $1890.00 included a poll tax and a literacy test that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. the colors of a flag trade. the final put in the flags all over the street. you know, because they got the, the horizontal lands hanging out. so i was like, well, i'll put some flag with so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi, mississippi, southern man. right. and, and, and accepted. and i are relishing that because that's who i am. that's who, who i, where my family is coming from. and my family has lived in the state of mississippi

before it even became a state of the i am a direct descendant of james jefferson. johnson is my great, great great grandfather. he fought in the 41st mississippi infantry, and this is my son's a confederate veteran. certificate, what really got me just fired of a loud joint and some kind of a confederate organization is because of what's going on in the country and discrimination against black people, discrimination against the jews within scrutinizing or against us. and i like, well, i want a mom is currently engaged in southern they accuse us of all being races, you know. and as a sign over millions is what the flag me. so a lot of people and that's why i like k k, k and other groups used to play the part that me off the worst is ours. my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, a got to the point that is today, where anytime i say that by that automatically seems to take

a type of person the what is referred to as a confederate flag. graphically, it is however, you can separate it from all that it is stood for and a negative sense. i'd love for us to have a symbol about which people just had no evidence whatsoever. we're at a moment where we can do this right and well and respectfully for all involved. i don't like name collins. i don't like rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things. so we have design a flag, i want everybody to have a stitch, a thread, and that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground, that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and they come along, i think. and all right. now we need something to begin with a whole lot of sketching, a lot of know, taking a lot of research aside, really is

a living symbol and document and piece of art. but there might seem stars along the outer edge, we were the 20th state to join the union. the color red symbolizes passion, and blood shows the colour white as a field because it, it represents the elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements and all of these aspects of our history and our story, of course, my grandfather was a us senate and he was one of the co authors and signers of the southern manifesto which was a reaction against the brown vs board of education integrating schools. and he was involved in um, you know, the oppression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flag design known as this dennis flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative

kathy sikes, who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the spanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 18. 94. the what is part of the visit that the employee would post to isn't the deepest to you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without cases. let's go products as mine, scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer, really served in the state department counterterrorism office under investor del daily the

. so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and to gather the facts, to take back to the american people, the hold on bass of the front line. so this is where the bombs and the bullets are raging. this is where people are dying. this is where the buildings are exploding the all. i wanted to see 1st hand the scars of war. the

i met representative sykes of the rally in washington, d. c. t introduced his dentist while i do a gallery to mississippians who had travelled there to demand a new state flag by laurence as i loved this because and the thing is, you know, we had a discussion about that. i saw this flag and fell in love with it and i really liked it when i found out that the designer was laurie spanish. lauren is the grand . busy of sent it to johnston, he represented during the time of jim crow where they thought the separate but equal was okay. is just so important to me says except that overtime it's similar to generations of people change. i'm a hip hop already. are you still pods when lying and inspires and i respect honoring your ancestors ion or mine.