the, the, our top story of this, our founder of the popular telegram network is reportedly detained. in prod is such a has been placed on the most want that less for refusing to moderate the messaging service for corporate, with law enforcement agencies at, on the defensive vasa, it just, that's another barrage of attack drones launched by ukraine. 3 border regions and it comes us key as long as far it's ongoing in cars and continue to mount and looking for peace as india, as prime minister, robert stopped by trip the key of hoping to find a way to end the war. washington questions, new galleys efforts. re welcome. but by being healthy,

we mean it's going to include the conversations with decrease and it's got to start from an understanding of where president someone's key is on the . all right, this is our team to national, reaching you from my new center of moscow. i a michael question with the updates. now let's bring it the breaking news. this, on our, to the founder of the popular telegram network has reported me been detained in france after touching down in paris. this loan to the french capital hon. this on his private debt from mazda by john. not for more on the story. lex cross live to archie, contribute to press spams. chris is good to have you join me right now. what do we know so far? about the case against pablo durham. what am i the details of coming in actually spits and fosters as, as we speak. uh, so it looks like i missed the door. it paddled or else uh, flew in from an undisclosed location,

but my assumption would be to by which is his primary primary residence. and also when you hold, say, a 2nd citizenship into prompts on that private jets um was to change. interested. as soon as he stepped off that flight, and when we know that he was traveling with an assistant with a unknown woman and essentially is now sitting in a french prison cell somewhere. and we were still not entirely sure as to what he has been indicted for, but i think tag, you know, we can, we can jump to some conclusions. but it, it probably isn't, isn't looking very good for him. that have probably has something to do with the business operations of telegram. i'm sure a lot of all of us are subscribers or if you like a client's old telegram and will be aware that it is a messaging app which is within the last 5 years has come. one of the my stolen in west messaging apps. all these sort of outpacing what anyone expected,

challenging many of the competitors in the market, including whatsapp and is known as full it's, it's sort of default for free speech and an openness which of course and it is a challenge to many governments around the world. now a lot of people would ask who is do all that and how it here tv said, can you, can you give us a, a picture of that? yeah, so really great question mike site problems are, is, is i don't represent a russian entrepreneur that somebody's been put in the fights and fight russian bill gates or steve jobs. and he says, sweetie rose to fame when he invented a, a website good at in russian b. k. come talk to you o b k dot com, which essentially was a, a challenge. it seems facebook for russia. i'm predominate, the c i s regions. and the also that, that t you sold the business to a, a, to a, a clients miss rushing business been, i'm wins huntsville, telegram. when he built telegrams, he made

a conscious decision to leave russia and sighed. seeing that a that he didn't feel that a telegram should be built in bus to because he was being challenged for free speech. and now we're seeing the army for all of this. mike, it wasn't at a pretend to put him in jail. it was that it was the way it was the french actually us night. so i like talked to cos and he, we talked about it all in the program, just made this point on switzerland maybe about 20 minutes ago. and that actually, mike, i think we bought a trip from pablo's recent interview with tucker when he talks about how he was pressured by the f b. i to become a corporate stuff. and i think this is sort of the pre concept that he revealing to that as to why he may be in trouble. right now. we got too much attention from the, the, at the i, the security agency is wherever we came to the us. i brought an engineer that is working for telegram and there was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind

my back by cyber security officers officers. the events of january of the 6 uh, we received a letter from, i believe, uh, clinic with span as of the democratic side. and they requested that we would share all the data we had in relation to what they called this authorizing the letter. it seemed very serious and the letter said, you know, if your fail to comply with this request, you will be in violation with the us constitution. yeah, great. so as we add for not might as well it's a russian citizen has to do with the us constitution month, not being a resident at the us just settings business up and not being a citizen that countries is quite dissolved with us. unfortunately, the way the united states government operates, and i think um, unfortunately, uh, giving from my experience task, if anyone knows my story,

having phone and file of the f b i a was thrown there right off. they don't really like guys. and, you know, i would, i would say to probably see it's listening property not, but if any of his team's listening is, you know, i think he's the maybe wants to rethink his decision and, and come by time to rush to where i'm sure he'll have a well, miles come in and be received williams that telegrams to be in its rightful place where it was found is not a 1000000 miles away in another country. and not, you know, not, not setting the interest all of russia. all right, we work to see how these things pan out is just a developing story right now. we don't know how is good to find out, but let's, let's see how it goes. thank you so much. chris evans are to contribute to for your insight on this. thanks a lot, mike. out to discuss this more, let's cross live 2 political consultants and human rights defend on a definitely. so i don't think good to have you join me now a so i'm,

i'm expected he's been to this saturday night. what was your 1st reaction to the needs of the do of detention respond from that? well solved to be sure. obviously, there is a double standard here when we see how, you know, most was somehow hazel by a chevy, but on the brussel commission or a charge or, and forcing the ideas, say that you're mindful, our listeners are the says, the digital security act, which was fast in grand firefly, in august 2023 and was just basically a crime. donal probation under you'll be on level. now what do you make up the list of the charges he might raise? do you expect dural to end up behind bars belong? well, to be sure, it's a political case river has it that macro himself had do off in these sites. and that it's, it's really a matter of trying to find that technology to getting to provide the,

as you call your, uh, computer stated access uh, back door access to the platform. so this is pretty much kind of a reduction of whether you have to be i attempted to do, except this time they're going to try to pressure to off himself to provide the goods me well in russia durham also, it has issues with the law over telegram but you had never been detained. not the confident has just marked the west to, but this 5 let. let's pick a lesson on this. prevail juror of left russia when the government tried to control his social media company at a graham. but in the end it wasn't posey and who arrested him for long the public to exercise free speech. it was a western country. i bought an administration ally and, and see was yes, big nature. i remember the locks in my way. pabo durham sits in the french jail to night, living warning to any platform owner who refused to sense that the truth that the

best of governments and intel agencies. darkness is defending fast on the formerly free wild. all right, as to this right now, you have heard that. so what is your take on this controversy? what like i said, i mean they're trying to find it that the quality to the pressure on him, these will not be right now in the what's called go that route for the next step. 4 days since they are implying that these are being completely feel reason charges, child trafficking and drug trafficking as well. so this pretty much we'll need to be presented to a judge tomorrow, which will be $65.00 of charges. and chances are the prosecutor will ask. ready going to be put in, uh, uh, remained for the next 4 months different uh, this will leading to appear before a judge specifically past everyone in deciding whether or not uh,

you can benefit from some kind of boxes. restless, you know, assignment to residence winters, but uh, since it is a highly political charge case, we can uh, we can expect uh that you might be up to the jail for the next 4 months. well, she now media report suggests from us, could potentially use the charges against dropbox. it protects to impose sanctions on telegram as well. besides the fact that you said this is a political one, but how likely does this scenario seem to you it's it's highly likely obviously um what we failed to understand um in phoenix in this for this case is the importance that such large digital services are welcome to uh, sure, in what is uh, my old account a uh, an ideological in your political uh country. and so the, before the information is essential, the ground was no one and renown of voice. that transparency and the ability for

users to really depend on uh, i think that messages, i'm afraid that this is only the 1st step to make sure dr. graham comes into uh account. uh and, and becomes, comes on the control essentially. yeah. he stopped by the russian federation. now for sure, by western nations. all right, now they're all revealed in an interview. do it a talk, a call saying that the, the us government pressured him to share information instead of grabbing use as the why do you think he refused to cooperate as well? obviously as the new office on one which is uh, white uh, taken by the idea of free speech unaltered free speech. but again, uh, undercurrent circumstances for speech itself isn't the result of seeing a wrapping up all the continued issue tactics. weather is concerned because we needed jewels like richard made her steel. he's for what was that time for about the 24 hours without being seen the finding the charges of the array that it'd be i

rags on their dimitri signs a residence in west virginia. and the recent events concerning that's going to be there. so there's overall a political general uh, wrapping up all the fucking down on uh, free speech to be admitted to you for a joyless to do their job and, and reward the objectively on any topic that may deem that to be sensitive. 5, we establish lunchtime and uh, your office only, but the latest victim of this rapid now. and we can expect this to increase, especially as we head into action season us. all right, we have to leave you here now, how to devil a have political consultant in human rights defend that. thank you so much for your insight here. now to other stories now and attempted to create a new, a great new drone attack on russia's west and borders was repelled over night with

air defenses, doubting 7, all the aircraft. now, following every from one of the drones intercepted on the board as region spot, the fire on the route one passing was set to have been injured or ukraine's ongoing in kasha nature. the cost range on this continuing to come at the high cost, have a russian defense ministry estimates key of losses at more than $5000.00. $500.00 troops now rush it, and the top helicopters, known as the alligators, have been in action striking out as ukrainian positions. that was more on all of the latest developments in the region here is, are these egos done, of the figures provided by the russian defense ministry should do sound significant? they do continue to provide information to update the information as to how they are dealing with ukraine's portrait in cash. and under this comes as the united states has announced that they will be providing more than

a $125000000.00 worth of aid to k of this includes a variety of weapons of munition of missiles and miss owls both including for the uh for like 10 crowns for multiple loans, rocket systems that especially american made multiple loans walk in systems like high mazda. now the thing about the hi mazda m auto rest. basically, ukraine throughout since the beginning of this conflict, since the got the 1st system of this kind, they have been very careful as to how they've been using those so that they do not lose too many to russia's account to fire. but here they have been using such systems with the pace that they had not previously experienced. and seeing that the russian defense ministry, it has been very well happy to flow into that success when they have been targeting

and successfully hitting high mazda mazda below, and rocket systems. at the same time, the united states, they seem to have uh, basically put themselves on a possible escalation here as they be gradually explaining that they do indeed, green lights keep hitting russian internationally recognized russian swell with american made long range missiles and they have entered does that other options could be on the table too. they are allowed to use us provided material to defend themselves against russian aggression. and as you know, the president allowed them to use us munitions across that border to deal with him and, and threats. but we're still having conversation is with them. i have no policy leanings, one way or another to speak to today. and certainly no new policy decisions that have been made. the united states, they're not alone in this boat. they have been relying heavily on europe, both the united states and cuba, and the u. that also has failed to condemn,

keeps operation here in the course region. the e u has been saying from the get go, that they do indeed support ukraine, but they support ukraine's efforts to defend itself. this is how they put it on the now the european union is also seems to be, are taking the same road of escalation. what you're going to happen to your grains will determine. ready how much you'll probably take our future, and we have to think about ukraine. 14 hello sales. in the game. we are part of the game. we have no part of the war, but dropped part of the conflict. and the way the conflict movie solve will affect the piece of security elsewhere, especially in the, the, the nets region. ukraine, the is failing, and ukraine, he's failing quite badly. and it has already lost some key tactical points and logistical towns that play the major role in ukraine's logistics and russia is

advancing very quickly and the then that's region. and so many, i'll ask you the question as to whether, whether or not those those, those units that are used and that are currently in the world in the fighting here in the region that maybe they could see a better use. and but the net scrooge and on the territory that ukraine considered as its own. so because it over the ukrainians have been there on the back and they have been the they have been retreating and basically the front that is very close to what one might might describe as collapsing. and russia has be moving and strides as you brain has had to, if it has to back you a town up to town of to town to provide safety for the civilians as russia advances and well continues to liberate more touchy the russian soldiers captured by

ukrainian the forces in the coast region have arrived back in moscow after being released as part of a present swap of the slides with a $115.00 service men landed as one of the capitals at port. and those who need medical attention will be taken to clinics. for treatment of the troops had been transferred from ukraine to bela ruse before the then flow into russia. the police president who is being on a visit to kia, has reviewed some of the times his country are supplied to ukraine. have not only been involved in the cruise getting crushing, but has his proud of they have been if it's a cause on the we watch with emotion as the p t 90. 1 was transferred by us from poland over a year ago in the store are today defending ukraine on the battlefields. and they're fighting in the course guerria where ukraine is showing that it has strength today. in order to show the russian invaders that it is able to counter

attack strongly and proudly about the spot, the president's belie to in police tags rolling in to russia, reports and started from coast region last week. suggest we haven't been saving so well in action of what's thought to be opposed to stand alongside all the ukrainian vehicles are picked to it, having apparently been destroyed by drones now dialogue and the bill must be over the death and destruction that was the key of message the indian from minnesota took with him to key of this week of the historic visit was part of the pushed by and they're under moody to find the path to end the war. recently i traveled to russia for a meeting was a lot of them are put in there. also, i have said this in clear words that any problem is never solved on the battlefield . the way to a solution lies only to dialogue, to diplomacy, and we should move in that direction without wasting any time. both sides will have to sit together and find ways out of this crisis. i want to assure you that india

is ready to play. it's an active role in every effort for peace. if i personally can contribute to this, i would definitely like to do so. so, so i know the moody making some big visits to eastern europe a 1st time that he's been in poland, meeting the president. net present due to also the prime minister donald task that oversee leaving, following by train and going to this much a way to the visit to kia where he met so let in skiing, he met members of the indian dashboard and again repeating this mentor the india is looking for a peaceful solution to the conflict of for a we said many times india has be neutral in this conflict. it's not taking sides. the random moody saying actually that's not true. it has taken a side. it's taken the side of peace. we touched on briefly on the side that he's not just meeting with ukraine and officials. he was also meeting some of the, the indian diaspora. the. how did that go? yeah, that's why so the indian desperate prior to the conflict. restarting in 2022 is

around to had health files and strong in the whole of the country on the road just on the 20000 indian statements in capsule. and he's still a simple dashboard, and it was one of his 1st port to cool to go and meet people from his homeland. and he was met with some pretty alarming stories. i've been telling him that they are coming and a lot of pressure in cray, because india is seen as having cozy dot to russia. and having taken russia side now was a result of the concerns that were raised to the inter moody during that visit. his special protection group actually decided to run, set the security around his visit. now we saw these images of him going to the waste, this piece parking care where he pay tribute to mahatma gandhi a previous leader. we didn't see it from the images. it looked like it was very peaceful, but that special protection. cool. apparently we using bullet resistant gotten

shield school around. i'm really on high alert because of these concerns that engines in ukraine have been suffering as a result of these perceived idea that india is in bushes comp. because as you say, moody was saying that we're on the side of peace and there's no point choosing sides where on the side of peace, what, what about reaction here? reactions be coming out of brussels out of washington. what can you tell us about reaction to moody's visit? we think that the reaction would be that not under moody was that to try and find a peaceful solution to this conflict. but actually where it seems a lot, the focus is still on the fact that i'm not into moody visited most school just a few weeks ago. and just how friendly that visit was, the toys between him. i'm president preaching. i mean, we all remember that big bat has the embrace of the 2. lead is proved. beaming is a match each other in a diesel a to go is who we liked each other. and that seems to her uncle the west so much

that they still talking about to in fact, the indian external 5 minutes. that was doing an interview press briefing and one of the referral which is from western media that, that the, the bbc specifically asked about that hug. yes. go ahead and you talked about prime minister moody's visit to most go last month. and a lot of people who were very upset to see that embrace between the 2 leaders, you know, you know, up off of the world when people meet people they are given to embracing each other . it may not be part of your control, but i assure you it's part of us. so. so in fact today i think i saw the prime minister also embrace presence in ski. and i've seen him do it with a number of other leaders in a number of other places. well, i know we did see that under moody and so then scale also in pricing on another level of washington. also, he's very much closely watching this visit and,

and again, although they welcome to the end, a movie going to create a meeting. so let's get really seemed as if this was through gritted teeth. and they said yes, again. we support the idea of piece, but everything has to be on ukraine and by defacto sealants case tons. every country has to decide for itself. um uh, what, uh, what diplomatic conversations are going to have and, and as i've said many, many times when it comes to the crime or if there is another country out there that uh, that is willing to be helpful in terms of trying to end the war and ukraine, we welcome that. but by being helpful, we mean it's got to include conversations with the grades and it's got to start from an understanding of we're present. so once he is on this, we say all the time and it sounds like i'm slapping a bumper sticker on it, but i don't mean nothing about ukraine without you. great, now of course the west, particularly the us leading the charge has been demanding trying to sway india in

to it's compo for the last 2 and a whole fee is in need. it has been made, showed huge metal in regards to this for india seems to want to consistently pushes the fact that it wants to see a stable multi polar world. and this is something that can only be achieved by a peaceful resolution. rather than saying, i'm here with the west, so i'm here with russia before me policy expert. so we'll come all due to believe that india is in a unique position to help try to end the war a, c and d, a has been very catchy, but it goes right from the beginning that's being avenue, so hostage, and then we will continue to follow the gym, our prime minister was ready get started, go by me. he had been tied up. just find it so bad out of sending this be and do team. and our prime minister was very, very catchy. but it doesn't that. yeah, i'm not going to side. it's m e y b, i'm not going to side with any stakeholders. get we are inside the. yeah, i mean,

we gotta get side will be, you know, we are all present. you want beats and you saw back for our fee. and the other time it was submitted, if anybody can do you mean beside the good thing that's out in the eyes, not through the side with your brain on this complex. you notice example decided people are up to you on this bond, not with united states. i made a go on, we need to invest a complex, give me the i has this i n, e, y, bending down really deciding big these and close that whole now, investigations are on the way to solve the russia house or prison. the uprising laughter total of 8 people dead inmates pledging allegiance to islamic state, killed 4 guards of the facility before being shot dead by special forces because it is not in a prison in the vulgar grad region. 4 criminals took 8 staff members, and 4 inmates hostage for staff members, suffered stab wounds of varying severity. 3 of them died. another 4 who resisted

were hospitalized. one of them later died in a hospital during the special operation to free the hostages conducted by the federal penitentiary service and the national guard. all for criminals were neutralized as a result of the bandits, criminal activity for inmates were injured. there were no injuries among the staff involved in the hostage rescue operation. so both of those things eligible for new security or of items tied here. there's a high security prison in russia's folder garad region following yesterday's 10th, signed off the whole state. it's taking situation. what we know so far is about full inmates monies to overpower stuff during the disciplinary meeting. they took a present calls on full inmates. hall stays now. we sold grim footage of them so it could, i didn't online, they appeared to be owned with knives. so no doubt questions will be honest as to how they managed to obtain those weapons in a high security prison. now again, during the course of the day, we know that 4 people were killed,

free to come to star boons walls inside the prison. and another died in hospital. now the hostage types as well. they've placed beverly agents to be so cold. as lubbock stake, they said that the action was carried out in revengeful light, described as the brothers de referring to. those are in prison, off to the risk of crow because city hold a talking most go region, which that the 145 people dead. and around $500.00 people, a wounded. now a game of the inmates, the hostage takers, at one stage, they even raised a major flag off of the is. so i make a state now a number of people, as we know, managed to leave the correctional facility. they were wounded a jew and they says style of doing the struggle with those inmates. so we're taking the whole stage, we managed to speak to one of those present gods who tried to help his colleague.

i'm looking at myself now. i'm covered in his blood. i pulled him out there with my comrades. after the terrace were neutralized, he was taken to the ambulance. it couldn't walk anymore. he was already covered in blood. i carried him on my back. when the assault took place, i arrived on the alert. he lost consciousness, literally 5 to 10 minutes before the start of the operation. the signs of life were very active. he made noises, squeezing my hand. i didn't see any visible signs of cuts though, but it was all very fast and there was blood. there was blood, i don't to night. his head, it felt like it was pierced. his face was kicked in blood, but it wasn't bleeding any more. and after the day of the uprising, he was supposed to leave for the weekend. now this isn't the 1st such incident is taking place in russian prisons in the fucking june. a similar incident unfolded in real stuff where 6 inmates over pinewood stall said taking hostages. they issued a similar list of demands for cash and for a vehicle to help make the escape from the prison. now again,

russian security forces, they moved in very quickly and they neutralized 5 of the hostage types of investigators all here on the same though recovering out to prove to determine exactly what took place here with us the update this out, he can't get the details of all the stories we are following on r t dot com. thanks for watching. and by now the the there is literally no good news coming from the war and guys, more civilians have been killed there since october 7th of 2023. then in any conflict since the 2nd world war, the stated is really goal, of course is to destroy from us.