the, the brand sufficiently, it's loved kilograms of c o, with 12 criminal charges, including a drug trafficking and the distribution of sexual content faced with a global outraged pair of times. the problem throughout the rest isn't literally motivated or ukrainian m p who voted against banning the orthodox church and was then forced to please says someone that tried to kidnap his family law in europe. plus israel national security minister makes a provocative call to build a synagogue at the office, a mazda compound, in violation of a decades old agreement with mazda majorities in jerusalem. the

live in moscow. i'm rachel, re lawyer watching r t international. we're covering the top new storage from around the world. it's been almost 2 days now since the telegram ceos arrest in france and paris has finally broken in silence over the case. embedded global outrage, president my crohn praised his country for championing freedom of speech, insisting there are no political motives for people to rob's arrest. frances, more than anything attached to freedom of expression and communication to innovation into the spirit of enterprise, it will remain so. the rest of the telegram president on french territory took place as part of an ongoing judicial investigation. this is in no way a political decision, as well. they administration of telegram has called for powell drums release, and that slammed to the case against him. the parents prosecutor's office is charged to the tech tycoon with 12 alleged crimes committed on his platform,

including the dissemination of child pornography, drug trafficking, as well as fraud and violations of crypt. the currency regulations their off will be held in custody for at least 2 more days. all right, let's discuss this now with journalist and host of going underground. the option with hon. see, i've sent the parents, prosecutor's office, has officially charged public drugs with 12 alleged crimes. as i mentioned there, many of them are quite severe. what's your take on a man being held accountable for what other people do on a platform that he created? as we can tell from the defenders or 5 l durable around the world. we're going to remember the company telegram that he's founded based here in dubai, from where i'm speaking to you is perhaps so much downloaded the app in the world. it's used by hundreds of millions of people who address of this, russian ball and billionaire to think that he could just stop off for refueling in

front of his private jet. as you know, being watching what he does. he don't understand the west and you're not in the backs of genocide in west asia, in the middle east, from where i'm speaking to you, but it's up to toddler to harry in place. perhaps the east forgotten. of course, he might well blame russia as he did before because it has to be said that russia banned him 1st after the st. petersburg atrocity took place and russian authorities . so telegram was somebody to be used rusher making the same mistakes as my girl and the authorities influence, arguably, one of the defenders of telegram is rumble. odd t is on the rumble, the russians a band rumble. they're a government sold around the world trying to get to grips with a to tell it terry, in control of media. but russia seems taking in edward snowden to mosque who is a beacon of free speech telegram founder of elder of didn't really understanding

that, arguably because now he faces a kind of punishment that are to tell it to every and government, like my groans can be allowed despite all their denials, action, one of telegrams, competitors, facebook has also faced its fair share of scandals related to content on his platform. marx eco berg has been criticized for not censoring enough, and yet he has never been arrested for crimes committed on facebook. can we compare the 2 cases here, or do you think they're going to come for a 2nd for next? because facebook meta is being very good at covering up the genocide garbage rated by british american european union weapons. it is being banning routinely pictures that would show people in western europe in the united states. what that governments are doing to the men, women and children of gaza, maybe let alone the role of the proxy will read through ukraine against russia.

telegram refused israel's request to take down the information from b is riley aged fishery the is there any justice department that will leaks on telegram reading something? just make it a bit durable, girlfriends and most i'd agent to akin to the infamous kidnapping. avoided guy for new when he released revelations and b as randy nuclear weapons program to the british sunday times. was she a honey trap? we don't know about that obviously. but clearly facebook does what israel says to by the ministration, because what israel says, so it is macros administration, these things don't get taken down. telegram committed as in action. you mentioned earlier how moscow has blocked rumba. busy so and, and recent days, russia has slowed down youtube in response to the site blocking the russian

creators. in fact, i try to get on youtube a couple of days ago and i couldn't really even get on it. so i think it's blocked completely in the country. now, friends, so has arrested, the rob over crime is committed on his top 4. how would you explain the difference and approach it? how, how are both tactics even legal? yeah, i mean, clearly, i mean, around the world in the global south rusher is seen as this beacon of freedom because snowden is bad because it doesn't go around threatening, doesn't do what britain did in torturing julian sondra of wiki leaks at. but the fact that all of the this program right now that i'm to give to you on, i'm going underground the show i host with julian. and sandra is a brother actually we're, we're running that today on r t. i noticed actually, the fact that the russian authorities of banding rumble is of so that, and the fact that the at the head of a rumble is saying the, why is it, i think, was it as

a verbal. i'm getting confused between these different platforms and how that navigating this space. because youtube, which you just mentioned is available in russia. but youtube is owned by google, which is a c i a contract, uh, which is a u. s. intelligence contract. why the russians allowing a american intelligence cuts out and not be able to similarly telegram was allowed in the countries in west and you are going to nato countries. it was obviously just getting too hot to handle for western european and american authorities. but it should be said that it's western europe, that is to try that area. the united states does have an oligarchy and the 1st amendment of its constitution, so eat on most can take over a choice app and therefore free the space and make it truly, truly go conforming to the us constitution. less than your a visitor, tyler, terry, in space, when no one must be free to read, listen, watch,

think you are not allowed to do that in western europe anymore. if you read a novel, if you want to play, if you, let's do a piece of music. if you read a news story and that it comes from western europe, you must understand and suspect the oil that compose listen to view of joy list. because they all have a confined within this, throughout its area and space and double door of really thinks the propaganda or of hollywood and all the rest of it. the tell you the west and europe is a great place in the summer time. well, even a great place to reveal the old, yet he pre 8 daily. believe that at the shows to anyone that alone he loved must learn the rumble, found it was a reason that even the left the left western europe very quickly after this announcement don't go that. don't go to fronts. fronts in vitro tallow, terry and company country as much as it was on the vichy. yeah, it's,

it's very concerning what's going on in france these days. i've said it was in 2018 that were russian officials, baths rather faced a men's backlash were trying to gain access to a telegram through legal means and pebble dur, of. he was allowed to leave russia and obtain friends, citizenship. well, now that he's been arrested in europe, major organizations and states that spoke up back down in 2018 have remained largely silent. why do you think that is up though? i mean, a fan of the southern american media rapids have been covering this story. but in western europe, there is a near silence about this. just as there was silence on julian a sound when edward snowden, on all these whistle blows on the people that try their best to risk their lives, to give information to people in western europe that they aren't being told. i mean, i suppose, thankfully, i don't know, give me the poverty in economic crisis of wisdom. your be so great that most working people know making people don't have the time to watch the news or learn

about that well because they're because they come eat when they kind of eat their homes, maybe have these, these are the questions that are facing west and you are a big rush or i understand has made some inquiries over the citizen by they'll durham if i'm not sure what the friendship telling the russian authorities. obviously, macro is tweeted, some complete nonsense about this being about prevents being a free country, but he's also you a citizen because telegram that i quoted you having to buy. so presumably behind the scenes, although nothing public yet. but you a will also be asking urgently about the citizens of elder of who um, you know, we do want to be disappeared. like so many have in west, in europe for trying to tell the truth and trying to not even tell the truth, but trying to create a platform like the post office, as opposed to service for people to exchange messages,

exchange information bureau. as far as i know has not expressed any support for the russians trying to destroy naziism in ukraine. i didn't remember durham saying anything about the genocide. he's a postman and that's who there are often now. people who have platforms that allow people to express themselves as human beings, you know, should be a warning and concern for everyone. actually read tons of journalists and host of going underground. thank you. the low calves cracked down on the print in orthodox church follower is ramping up. one of the countries and p 2 lashed out at the religious band was late or tuesday of assaulting a ukrainian law enforcement officer. then claims to tell me was almost kidnapped as they fled to europe. and someone tried to kidnap my family. my mother and my wife and 2 small children were almost kidnapped from a hotel in europe yesterday. after the 1st unsuccessful attempts and the measures

we took, they tried again at the airport. as everything we know is based on the statements of that ard sounds we took posted on his telegram channel. yes, he claims that there was an attendance that kid nothing that took place somewhere in europe. we didn't. we don't know where exactly you crazy in the claims that he fled the country. viola. that's all we know, and he claims our time to be true on his telegram channel states that local police apparently have been alerts and that they have the names and card details of the perpetrators. and that's some form of an investigation is underway. but he claims that the cameras team is behind it. and the reason why they did this is because of his stones on the cranium parliaments adopting this bill, which basically bands the russian length, orthodox church of ukraine. so and of course the millions of ukrainians are part of the church. so of course the subset of many people, including the somebody who was very, very vocal

a parliament when they were considering this, your word, your cousins boss, was able to do that. ukrainian parliament has made a fatal mistake by voting in favor of banning the cranial orthodox charges and this mistake. without any doubt, it will cost tragic consequences for the entire ukrainian people. it is no loss can prevent us from bring visiting temples, defending our fate. there are no obstacles to this new move, just as there were not for the lord. so shortly after that his sled and a criminal case was opened into him legally crossing the border, but that's on top of and all the criminal case. and that one is in regards to his altercations with law enforcement officers, one was in k of another. one was in odessa now to the truth claims that all these cases were fabricated by zalinski steam because they want him out and they want to punish him for his belief. it's basically so besides being passionately opposed to this, we soon found on the orthodox church. what more do we know about this month, or he started when he came from the world of sports and security,

and he really answered politics in 2019 from odessa, one point he was even the parts officer landscape party, but then who was quickly dismissed, i guess because his views that in the line with the landscape and we'll save time and time again that ukrainian nationalists were really against them because of certain actions that they deemed as pro russian. for example, he was one of the people who laid flowers to the victims of the old desktop mastercard, ukrainian nationalist, there, understand what he had to do, that after all, it was pro russians separate sisters besides who died. so why are you laying flowers to them? they're the enemy, he didn't agree with that. then we have again, this february, he actually posted the bail for one of the places who was detained for stealing roster propaganda. apparently they didn't like that because he's helping out a police who happens to perhaps agree with ross and some way shape or form. he saw this is purely something religious and that that man needs to be supported. then we have the course concurs and disaster,

and he also spoke out about that and he knew the truth. and on his telegram channel, he said that ukrainian soldiers would ask the crating monuments that they were making fun of the elderly. the locals in the course that there were also stealing from them stealing from shops then just spoke out against this bill. so of course everything was same deal when it goes down. well. busy kia, virginia, and he believes that this is them trying to punish him. and this is how he summed up how he can use this case. today's events are just more proof that the current government, this gary now the systemic and cynical persecution of all those who have the courage to oppose their dictates. i am called the traitor only because they do not bogged down to the authorities and did not keep silence when in justice occurs. officials are not saying anything right now and key of bob zelinski did announce a meeting with a law enforcement officers. after that to discuss those who fled, he didn't mention this m p by name. but those in the know, claim that this is exactly what this is about,

and they want to find the way to punish those who fled to the conclusion regarding those who work against all state traits is to ukraine, to help russian aggression, no justifiable. if i do pray or fight against responsibility on stage, needs to clear on says about such people have to leave responsibility so that all these comm rates get what they deserve and wherever they hide, and wherever they run, the people which were waiting. now, for a continuation of this case, either on the troops telegram channel or he seems to be posting all the updates has that happened to him or something, at least from the officials in ukraine, about this case about him. in particular, is rails notoriously hard line. national security minister, it's in our band, we're has reiterated his controversial called to build a synagogue at the sight of the ox mosque compound in jerusalem. and the move would violate a decades old agreement between is really and muslim authorities to maintain a status quote in the city prime minister netanyahu. his office has been quick to

distance itself from ben to there is idea. shoes were recently seen, praying at all august the end rates of global regulations that only allow moslems to worship their adding fuel to the fire and is really it. rabbi has made a shocking suggestion to bomb the iconic moscow framing a ron for the attack in order to incite conflict between muslims. we don't know, maybe one of the missiles will lead to mosque and clear of the place for the sub that link that i could also be. and then we call the pay if it was up to me the last time when they shot me. so i would click 10, that's the one we saw came from the line and showed it down. you know, then all the others will go and get this figured out. and that will be the end of the problem is you make them fight with each other. these as go live now to is rarely publicist and commentator. yeah. ready for open hymer who advocates for the 2 state solution as a senior member of the piece now and g. uh,

gary of good to have you on the program with us. quite the explosive statement that we just heard that are coming from ramos in ms. rocky. what's your reaction to what he said? and it just goes a crazy the mugs of the said everybody, but we have to pay, keep the an invitation because he's not, there is such a name both and say by music. it's not a significant statement about a significant person. having said that, much more, a worried about the governments, the fees, right? same day you come up and view it. i mean, you still say homeland security and these other ones without doing real x on the ground, no. the to change the situation. i'm the same pretty miles and to make a these config, not just the mission, other one for those. so let me just one effect that we see jewish people come to play and they didn't put in miles. this is a change of this. that's a score. it's a, it's a new situation,

totally contradict the agreement between these and in georgia in terms of these really national security minister statements on building a synagogue at the l. x. a mazda compound. why would he make such a controversial statements? and is there any significance to the timing of him saying this he is making this statement because he truly believes that this is what these what i should do. he believes that these racial, they move away on the palestinians from this area, including 10, pretty miles. so you know that this is very 1st thing in st. louis and muslim samples. and he's only motivation the, the goal is to fight with the, with the most the most ridiculous vivian and to say, so he's really serious and military. mr. mitchell. this is who's going to say this is a good deal. again, this is what he's doing. i figure these things that he has the power to say, such as statements, and to gain more votes from the rise, and eventually to make it the reality. he said that the beginning of the step that

he would change the situation a on the template amount. so me will allow a jewish people to when and we see it. what he was going to see is actually the field today. so if he is, for me, seem to be the senior go and next to them us go instead of them us. it's my happened in a few months. so, you know, there's a, you know, well, it's all know to either it doesn't have to pay for awards. he's saying what the really would like to do and a sofa. what he was saying actually happens area is really permanent. source office has been clicked to distance himself from button to various the statements. what do you make of that? does that signify a rift within the countries ruling coalition? and it's very obvious that you all cannot accept this kind of a statement. this sort of statement notes just com, the relationship between these, right? and is that the statement, but also the agreements that these are and as we de joe then and dami rate and

other and egypt of course in either a, our countries, every said beta mentioning this and they all depends on the time i'll be. because we value these are my been reading that any of those in favor governments anymore. so these are lead me to washington. you all can do in order to prevent you from asking him to stop him from changing. the reality is, i said before the, the action on the go on what we have seen on the 10th 100 miles is something that we didn't see before. this is a new reality. you reach 2 issues that can come up to the mountain into play. and it's to the police because the reason why i've been here is that you still responsible for the police and the police, you know, do any pieces of 8 the street and dangerous a development. and then you always just saying the status quo will remain. but on the ground, the realities, those are the terms your reply. do you think we're seeing an increasing number of do is violating decades old restrictions to refrain from praying at the muslim compound in jerusalem?

this is the paypal. it says that the rights we needs been so it's not just an issue for religious, of course, because according to the, let me just aspects of the religious i choose should not go up to the template amount. they should go to. there was the reason why they're doing this is amy because the palestinians see the same thing and miles is the same, but it's not just of the slot but also stipulates the un mission as a movement. and so then the temporary mouse is the only place that you can connect these really all up to the 1st thing in the evening guys are the students name is joseph independent students and the respect. so the reason why this is a white screen is sitting is i'm going to put a mouse. is amy, you know, due to say that the 1st thing is, this belongs to us and doesn't belong to you. you all know belong to you. it's all, it's really settlers have also been launching a rising number of attacks on airbus in the occupied west bank. who do think it could be behind these acts and what could they be seeking to achieve?

and it says yesterday, it slipped to me that we have to ask if they had those days. early secuity poll says that there does their bill shut back on his belt. he wrote the letter saying that the government is actually supporting the sale and by sickness they gave me the, the booster that responsible for the police to come up. and he's the one that stood stoke just kind of fatigue, is the one that is actually given them immunity. and they allow you to think and even suppose this. and what we're seeing is that these governments and the other various things, elements that supposed to assist the violence fund, the secular vine this providing and make sure that the police were looking dispute . and the outcome of this policy is what he has seen on big lumps increase a huge increase in the number of incidents and the severe fuel system. incidentally, it's still just, i mean, it's also trying to keep it by the scene in

a innocent people, including some of them that were already a queue. so this is a very dangerous development, and they make evasion of do i mean, is it going to make it in impossible for the, for the students who have a normal life, no, to in the, in the typically miles and nothing the rest of it and the vision is to force them to go out to the so few to immigrate. i know to be do is to take the lead to the citizen. right. we're going to leave it there is really publicist and commented, or you already have open timer advocates for the 2 state solution as a senior member of the piece now and g. o. good to have you on with us. thank you. thank you. thank you. all right, let's go back to our top story now. the parents prosecutor's offices charged telegram founder people drop with 12 alleged crimes committed on his platform. after he was arrested at an airport near paris on saturday evening, people around the world and slammed friends for the action. italian deputy prime minister, i'm a tail. so vinny even speculated as to who will be targeted next in europe. we are

now faced with censorship, with the stink of regime long to live, freedom of thought and of speech, who will be the next to be gagged, the great and inconvenient, 11 mazda. all right, let's discuss this further with a tele, on war correspondent and political organization leader. i'm a dale evans to i'm a deal good to have you on the program with us people, derives as we've been mentioning, has been charged with 12 crimes, including the dissemination of child pornography, drug trafficking fraud, and the violation of crypt, the currency regulations. these are all very serious allegations. how much trouble is he actually in? of course he's in a big struggles because he refuses to cooperate with the western authorities and wisdom special services. it's not speculation, it's what is there anything else in the, with the media? now we can imagine what will happen if in case a doodle was arrested by russian authorities here me the c or a on the,

on the geez, all of the associations for human rights. we start to blame russia for these and to sort of campaign against our, the president, the fresh of letting me really new age put in. and in this case, what do we have with this study of football, the daughter of we have, that's how the root of the 3 to use it to collaborate with the russian authorities in 2014, when the c a, he and the nance is and then just integrating the made the coup against the legitimate to be but you meet the residents also create and you know, coverage. this is a revolution. the is a rainbow revolution in uh, in uh, in my down in keith. and after that uh doodle. event. uh, corporate with russian authority, cuz you also both of the beach, a picture. when a did, they meet the finger in the front of the put in. and it was free to do teasing russia. but when he tried to do the same things in europe,

immediately was arrested because we can see that's a accepting to be the daughter of example. uh, that's a rush raise. much more free than europe is. uh, what we can observe. now delegate the i wanna talk to you about at least deputy prime minister mateo silvey news suggestion that the european justice system could go after yolanda must next must of course owns acts formerly known as twitter. on what grounds do you think that would be? why would the you go after him? it's quite funny that's uh, personal from the government like myself. so the deputy prime minister is afraid instead of of the consequences of the rope in union out there it is. this very evident that the polar now is nothing the end of people are like, that's uh by the people like. so the keys bought the main in the hands of the grey and the broker see,

and the spectrum service of that you are being union. and the in the hands of this yeah yay in washington. for now most could save because he's a, he's american citizen and the europe will never challenge the unit they states with a resting on us us citizen. russian officials have claimed soldiers are using telegram for various tasks on the front line because the app has a safe encryption system. something france wants to get around. what repercussions could there be if parents continues to support t as by cracking telegram open? both rochelle, both to create and use them in the front line. uh, old people use any of them because it's very safe and it was a police very safe. we would see what would be next. and so, and this was very fast and easy to use and without any training for one of them. for example, when you use the rad yes, in the, in the front thing, in the possibility of being intercepted by the enemy. is a very,

very heights for this reason, we should think how they're actually meaningful defense can develop that technology for create these old prophets or for communicate in the, in the, in the front plan of or i shot as a range of the people in the technology and the budget for develop these we just need to win the broker. see in the mean some defense for duties. i'm quite sure that it's very soon that i shall, can develop its own up, you know, to, to both solve the problem in the front thing about the safety of communication, both for you've privacy to us citizens of the world. again, like that of them did, especially as old as much people in government and the, in the 5 a business for the it is we just need to be leaving in rush around that the, you'll probably do it or would it be next of the, among other things active as well, use telegram to organized demonstrations around the world. often these are anti

government demonstrations. parents of course, is no stranger to protests. how does that these things factor into the door of arrest? it's very huge. we see that's for example, when the, for the farmers processing europe, they was organized by 10 of them, or position of the work he was getting on. because uh, 10 of them is a fair bottom for ideas of the faith bought to feel the heidi of 480 s. so in this way there is not censorship, like in the east to get on facebook and the method brought from or you tube. and so telling them is much more for you and so people can chose, a full follow will not follow. and the to a surprising, the drum, they like the most. and they believe for shutting use of the or different account points that they have. for this reason, we need to prevent the the door of, from the judge it into europe. we need to up separately try it to.