the the, the francis says interest of the telegram c e o, in connection with 12 criminal charges including complexity and drugs, profit game, and the distribution of sexual contest on his popcorn. faced with a global outraged and acting sessions of censorship, parents primed problem throughout the case. is not politically motivated, are you creating an m p 's who voted against banning the orthodox church and it was then for so please, as someone try the kidnapping family wall in europe and protest to wrapped in bringing a fossil against ukraine's assistance. the militant group in west africa, the

live in moscow. you're watching r t international. i'm rachel ruble. the french prosecutor's office says it is holding a pebble der of in connection with the 12 alleged crimes committed by an unnamed suspect via his platform. the telegram cl could remain in custody in paris for at least 2 more days. the charges range from refusing to comply with french authorities demands to distributing drugs and child pornography. 3 more legal infractions are tied to the platforms, crypt, the currency dealings parents as throughout has been questioned over the alleged crimes committed to telegram so far. it has been no official response from the platforms to ceo himself. public criticism of his arrest isn't mounting worldwide. however, the french president insist the case is not politically motivated. i france's more than anything attached to freedom of expression and communication to innovation into the spirit of enterprise. it will remain so. the rest of the telegram

president on french territory took place as part of an ongoing judicial investigation. this is in no way a political decision. we had ministration of telegram as paul for pavel during this release and slammed the case against him. our paras based contributor rachel marston weighed in on the story earlier today. so french officials used an arrest warrant that seemed to have been scribbled on the back of a napkin on route to haul a founder of the globally popular online chat out a telegram. straight off his plane and into custody upon arrival at new village at airports near paris on saturday night, russian born pabo durham seriously managed to get french citizenship in 2021 without ever even living here. just 3 years later, the same french government that gifted him with a political shortcut to citizenship is now suddenly accusing him of taking an overly laid back approach. you could say she was platforms content,

according to french press reports alleging that he's turn the app into somewhat of a giant, free for all for us sorted scum appears. terrorist money laundering, drug traffickers, pad files, uh no exclusive mention of people who just have opinions that the establishment doesn't, particularly like andrew's online proliferation. european officials are always whining about and threatening these platform. operators over probably believe the most recent being ex platform owner eli must. but someone else did read between the lines and saw that exact issue in all of this, because brask was apparently enough to incite the canadian founder of another free speech platform, rumbles, chris pa, blocks, key to grab is go bag and get the heck i did dodge i'm a little late to this, but for good reason, i'll just say to departed from europe. fronts has threatened to rumble,

and now they have crossed a red line by arisen telegram seal bible doodle. scrupulously, for not sense when speech rumble will not stand for these behavior and will use every legal means available to fight for freedom of expression, a universal human rights problem. he previously opted to buy it right. g of lock rumbles access across france rather than sense or content that the french government had asked them to like r t, for example. you're on was seeing a to that the west really liked for awhile about how he was pressured by the russian government over content control and back door access. and how we basically just flip them off like a big hero who was so badly persecuted, that he was never actually arrested or charged with anything in russia. and well, telegram is still operational there today, while durham is free to go around the world, promoting himself as a professional victim of russia. durham even sell right in line with the top down

you demands the sensor. archie and other russian media outlets at the request. but he had also recently started to change his tune to one that probably wasn't such a crowd pleaser for the western establishment. we got too much attention from the, the, at the i, the security agencies, wherever we came to the us. i brought an engineer that is working for telegram and it was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind him and backed by cyber security officers officers the events of january of the 6 we received a letter from i believe, uh, congressman of the democratic side. and they requested that we would share all the data we had, you know, relation to what they called this to uprising. the letter seemed very serious

and the letter said, you know, if your fail to comply with this request, he will be in violation with the us constitution. the hard case has been rolling in since during the rest. of course there is no actual proof that this has to do with free speech. but the western establishment does have a nasty habit of cloaking its authoritarian tendencies in national security or serious criminality. which basically makes it impossible the rule of that being the case here as well. and once they get access or control over one thing, they have it for every thing. so based on prior reporting out of germany and the netherlands telegram has been responsive to court orders for disclosure of information on national security grounds in very limited cases of immediate threat to life. but there's no shortage of people watching all of this right now. i'm thinking that that might just be

a way to use course and to push open the window. busy to a lot more cooperation from the app, then they, the authorities normally would be able to get otherwise p, o, v. it's 20, so it's in europe and you'll being executed for liking a mean using allied countries to circumvent 1st amendment protections is the new rendition. the arrest of durham is an assault on the basic human rights of speech and association. i am surprised and deeply saddened that my crime has to send it to the level of taking hostages. as a means for gaining access to private communications. it lowers, not only france, but the world makes you wonder how government ever managed to investigate crimes before mobile apps and the internet came along, if they're so desperate to rely on them to figure out what's going on. american officials are constantly whining about facebook found marcus, doctor bird, not doing enough about sex. pass on his apps like he's responsible for every tree

phone line and i guess garage is now in the same basket. zachary has never been arrested though. maybe it's just a coincidence, he also bends the ne, whenever asked, by the establishment. a couple of dozen western backs and use are pretty quick to denounce an order blocking telegram as free speech interference when it was a russian court issue. and yet, it will be interesting to see how long it takes them to react this time when it's france, a prominent member of the western establishment that's leading the charge. right. let's go live now to author and former new york university professor michael rectinwald's. professor good to have you on the program with us, you know the statement that was published by the french prosecutor's office system . it was a bit strange. it doesn't make it explicitly clear whether pebble derived himself has been charged with any of these crimes. you think paris is being deliberately ambiguous about this case?

yeah, they're holding him. um, based on supposedly the activities of a particular user on, on call, graham. and so not, not him himself. this has to do with one of his particular users who apparently is doing sex traffic here, something like this. and it's a very strange and i think it is also very strange coming on the heels as the with the use digital services at craft um on needle on mosque or their attempted crack down to to basically pharmacy law must for what's happening on x to use their digital services at to and that finds against him. and likewise this seems to be in line with that same treatment. so i'm very skeptical about their claims. and i, i really find. ready hard to believe that it has nothing to do with politics,

franklin. yeah, it's interesting because microns says it's not a political decision, but you're right. it seems very suspicious. the so in terms of pebbles are of the case. the alleged crimes mentioned by paris are very serious, but as you said, the list says that they were committed by some unnamed person. so what's the justification then for arresting the telegram cl himself and keeping him locked up for days? i can't see any justification for it. it would be as if you had been in the united states, for example, some the chief executive officer of, uh verizon uh to arrested for some users, uh, phone calls that they made a box. whatever nefarious activities that they were undertaking, it's like arresting the utility service for whatever is coming through the telephone line, for example. so it really makes no possible sense. and i think,

you know, in fact, the sex charge traffic in charge that is apparently being held up as the case really makes no sense either since we have plenty of leads on sex trafficking. and in particular, in reference to the, the epstein case and all these possible leaves and they're never color. uh, so i, i think it's very, it's very suspicious. i think it's very political. i think that there are definitely using this as a test case in order to probably open more and more digital uh, digital menus and to gain access and control of them. and i think that if they can get the most difficult case, which is which is down graham, then they could have all of them fall like as sort of domino's we haven't seen or heard from mr. durham himself since he was arrested. no,

i don't know the laws in france of you know what your rights are when you're under arrest, but do you think paris is not allowing him to publicly defend himself? yeah, that sounds very probable. after all using custody. so he's not probably able to make public statements that easily. he may have, may, he may have been able to make them through some intermediary through a phone call if this is allowed. but he hasn't made any and maybe he's being a purposeful. ready a rather taciturn about this because he doesn't want to give up any uh, any information at all and doesn't want to make any public statements still exceeds what charges may be levied against him. he doesn't even know at this juncture, apparently what charges if any, are going to be levied on him. so it's hard to say why he should speak. uh, i would say he's probably doing the best that he can in terms of keeping his mouth

chat until he knows what exactly is being charged. if anything, i know that you've researched and written extensively about companies like google and i, and i know you just a few moments ago, drew a parallel to a telephone company being held liable for nefarious activity in that same vein. do you think anyone could imagine a sarah scenario where a top google official is the rest of our crimes committed by some users on their platforms? it would never happen because google is so deeply in bed with the federal government here in the united states and the military intelligence a complex. they are so deeply part of the system that there is no way they. ready would ever. ready charges in fact, one of the see one of the chief and one of the main executives are for co founders . i should say of google disappeared for some period of time during a very suspicious period under which there. ready some possible questions to be asked about his behavior with reference to. ready some, some,

some business dealings. and so i don't think google, facebook or any of these other major companies. i probably x i, i could see you are most facing similar charges simply because of the establishment the, the regime does not like him. they, they find him a threat to their propaganda and censorship apparatuses as they wanted to have control over twitter so that they continue to continue to have complete control over the impulse fear. and that slipped away from them with acs. so i could see something coming down on, on the, on my and the use digital services act and the, the c's attempts by, uh, mr. brett, calling to, to uh, bring him, the hill are indications that in fact he's probably in the cross hairs as well. i'm

householder, i've given an interview to talk of house and a few months ago saying that quote, the largest pressure to our telegram isn't coming from the government's but coming from apple and google, which she added could censor almost everything. now that he's been arrested, do his words ring any differently to yeah, i think he probably underestimate is the power of the state to come down on him. and here they are. i mean, he was talking probably about the possibility that apple would would eliminate the app from their phones altogether, which would greatly curse him. busy access to the platforms, but i think he's, he apparently underestimated the power of. ready of the central government to you, which is, i mean, i'm not, you know, a monopolist over force in that region when there is, and of course a, a truth, tremendous force for censorship and to be an incorrect tailing of speech. and we see what's happening. and in the okay, where people were being arrested prisons,

facebook and other posts us. i mean this is just unbelievable how your pony and, and repressive states in the european union. happy. com. all right, well leave it there. officer and former new york university professor michael rectinwald's. thank you. well, american tech type who let you know on the line mosque is among those speaking out against durance arrest. and many are now asking if the ex platform owner himself could be next. some critics appear to be directly threatening mosque. among them is a veteran us politician, alexander vin men who happens to have a history of involvement and scandals related to ukraine. well, do of holes french citizenship is arrested for violating french rule. this has broader implications for all the social media, including twitter. there's a growing intolerance for platforming. this in fluid malign influence and the growing appetite for accountability must could be nervous. all right,

let's still deeper into the story now with american broadcaster and the political commentator, jo altman, jo, good to have you on with us in light of what's happened to people drop. do you think that you learn much should be worried, as some people are now saying that, you know, i don't know if durham is actually that worried about it, but he, he, he, he's, he's going to find out that this is the direct, they're actually acting as if they're a world government, so he's being arrested under what they say is violation of french law. but more more that you hear about the apparatus of the united states is involved and they can actually come up with any sort of reason why they're actually arresting them. so i think you're gonna see that you are mosque is going to be, is going to fire back. but you've heard even in england in the u. k. then saying that if someone speaks out and violates our laws, even if it's the united states, so come over and get them. so i think that you on is, is concerned. i think most of americans concern. and frankly, most of the world that seem to be a sleep before 2020, and all the shenanigans that have happened since then are equally concern. what

about market stucco? birds? he has faced a lot of criticism for content on facebook, but they think he's different from their of and mosque in this regard. well, remember that you are most challenged marks that compared to a fight and the sacrament service back down from that. i think the difference is, is it more just like a bird, much like google was in bed with the intelligence apparatus in the united states and, and it's what's become very, what we've seen kind of happened over the last decade. especially. we talk about julian, massage and, and what they did to him, he finally just settled. but there was false allegations and there was a cases put against him and all he did was shared information. and so the same thing can be said for what elan is looking at, but you know marks dr. burke is not anyone that is going to get under. it is not, is that gonna get in trouble at all and united states or anywhere. because frankly, he's protected, he's protected by the same. i, paradis, it is destroyed nations around the world. and his head unchecked. accountability for decades. last month, brussels like tuesday, along mosque of breaching the european union's online content law for allegedly

deceiving users and allowing the spread of this information. what do you make of that case as well? which part of it specification? because it seems like the united states apparatus and the you sponsors, much of the propaganda that's put in the marketplace. and that could be the stuff this related to even the foreign policy domestic policy. things happened. united states. the fact that joe biden is literally an empty shell of a man or the fact that kamala harris has even a brain cell in her head. so depending on her own how you're looking at it, what they're saying is if you do not follow a line, you're not for ideology including cutting off body parts off children and grooming them into the idea that they can change the gender. then we're going to punish you . so the thing about the you is that they, they become a dangerous apparatus, almost as if we're talking about cartel behavior or organized crime behavior, because that's exactly what this conglomerate of organizations are. countries, leadership around the world has become. yeah, it really depends on who you ask,

what you consider this information to be these days. last year, joe, the us in europe signs a new data privacy framework along the transfer of such information between the 2 continental. what exactly is that all about and, and how does the likes of people do or of, in, in, on must, could fit in here. so, so this is where you really get into the reason why on your previous guess, talked about google and facebook, you know, having an, an apple having the ability to effect or stand in the way of anyone gaining information from any new platforms, the dangers that we that we have in this is that the data still exist. they're just trying to centralize it in the hands of a few. that then can use that data any way they want, whether it's for state sponsored activities or to stop other people from getting access to that same information. so there's this alignment with data strategies of, of how they're sharing data and what that and combine with what they did in the, in the united states. and what they've done in the european union. cutting off

people having access to data or centralized in the hands of google or, or some of these other large conglomerates, is that they want to have access to the data. they want to be able to share that. and frankly, it just gets to creating serves and slaves and getting into a new just environment where the average everyday person becomes the useful idiots or, or property of, of the governments in those areas. so i have the concern that i have is that this privacy, cuz i'm in data, i understand data very well in this, in this agreement that they have. it really is just an agreement to persecute at will anybody that they want, whether they're in the you or the united states, you know, to the presence of venezuela and serbia have condemned xerox arrest. but that's it . when it comes to global officials condemning this case, why do you think that is, why are we seeing so little reaction on that level? whether there's a freeze out of people talking about or off in the,

in the mainstream media in the united states. and so depending on who you are and what, and what a environment you are in the story that you're getting is that he's getting arrested for sex trafficking, correct? that's, that's the store in united states. and so most of the people here won't even pay attention to it based upon that specific piece they, they, they don't want to sex traffic or they don't want people that are going to abuse children or roaming the streets. but what we found is that these dog whistles were being largely used across the, across the world. so leaders are not going to stand up. it's almost that they're being signaled by the french government a don't get involved in this with the us government of saying, hey, look, this is the, this is the line you need to to, oh, so you can tell that line great. so much of the information out there from the american people, they're, they're not getting the most of the people around the world. they're not getting that information either. so it's, there really is a freeze out of truth. and what we're seeing right now is just the same ridiculousness that we've, we've had inside of our new cycles with mainstream media and not just tear but

around the world for at least since 2020, since i've been paying attention. right. well, leave it there. american broadcast, trying to political commentator, jo altman, joe, thank you. all right, god bless you. all right, on air and online, we've got you covered for more on how prominent russian media and medical figures have reacted to the rest of pablo dress. you can head over to our website, archie, dot com, the kids correct down on ukrainian orthodox church followers is ramping up. one of the countries m p. 's, who last out at the religious band was later accused of assaulting a ukrainian law enforcement officer. then claims this family was almost kidnapped as they fled to europe. someone tried to kidnap my family, my mother and my wife and 2 small children were almost kidnapped from a hotel in europe yesterday. after the 1st unsuccessful attempts and the measures we took, they tried again at the airport as everything we know is based on the statement

that art sounds we took posted on his telegram channel. yes, he claims that there wasn't, that's, hadn't said a kid, nothing that took place somewhere in europe. we didn't, we don't know where exactly you crazy in the claims that he fled the country, viola. that's all we know, and he claims items to be true on his telegram channel states that local police apparently have been alerted and that they have the names and car details of the perpetrators. and that's some form of an investigation is underway. but he claims that the cameras team is behind it. and the reason why they did this is because of his stones on the cranium polymers adopting this bill, which basically bands the russian length, orthodox church of the ukraine. so and of course the millions of ukrainians are part of the church. so of course the subset many people including this, somebody who was very, very vocal a parliament when they were considering this,

your work, your cousins was able to do that. you create environments has made a fatal mistake by voting in favor of banning that ukrainian orthodox charge. you know this mistake. without any doubt it will cost tragic consequences for the entire ukrainian people. it is no loss can prevent us from frame visiting temples of defending our fate. there are no obstacles to the image just as they're working on before the lord. so shortly after that his sled and the criminal case was opened in to him and legally crossing the border, but that's on top of and all the criminal case. and that one is in regards to his altercations was law enforcement officers. one was in k of another, one was in odessa now to true claims that all these cases were fabricated by zalinski see because they want him out and they want to punish him for his belief space. so besides being passionately opposed to this, we some found on the orthodox church. what more do we know about this month? or he started, he came from the world of sports and security, and you've really answered politics in 2019 from odessa,

a one point he was even the parts of a salon skis party. but then who was quickly dismissed, i guess because his views didn't the line with the landscape. and we'll say time and time again, that ukrainian nationalists were really against them because of certain actions that they deemed as pro russian. for example, he was one of the people who laid flowers to the victims of the old desktop mastercard, ukrainian nationalist, there, understand what he had to do, that after all, it was pro russian separate sisters, the side who died. so why are you laying flowers to them? they're the enemy, he didn't agree with that. then we have again, this february, he actually posted the bail for one of the places who was detained for spewing roster, propaganda. apparently they didn't like that because he's helping out a police who happens to perhaps agree with ross and some way shape or form. he saw this is purely something religious and that that man needs to be supported. then we have the course concurs and disaster, and he also spoke out about that and he knew truth. and on his telegram channel,

he said that ukrainian soldiers would separating monuments, that they were making fun of the elderly, the locals. and of course, that there were also stealing from them stealing from shops, then he spoke out against his bill. so of course everything was saying there really goes down well with the cube machine and he believes that this is them trying to punish him. and this is how he summed up how he views this case. today's events are just more proof that the current government, this gary now the systemic and cynical persecution of all those who have the courage to oppose their dictates. i am called the trader only because they do not bogged down to the authorities and did not keep silence when in justice occurs. officials are not saying anything right now and key of bogs the landscape did announce a meeting with a law enforcement officers asked about to discuss those who fled. he didn't mention this m p by name, but those in the know claim that this is exactly what this is about and they want to find a way to punish those who fled physical food should. regarding those who work

against all state traits is to ukraine, who help russian aggression to justify who flight you frame, fighting from responsibility, all state needs clear on says about such people the clear responsibility. so the goal, these come rates get what they deserve, wherever they hide, and wherever they run the people we were waiting. now, for a continuation of this case, either on me, troops, telegram channel or he seems to be posting all the updates has that happened to him or something, at least from the officials in ukraine, about this case about him in particular on out to west africa where locals in burkina faso have rallied against the crane support for militant groups in the region, reflecting a wider settlement across the helm. the demonstrators accused of of back in terrorist, the support from nato france in particular. and one of the country, the suburbs high, is that the prime following the lead of molly and need their protesters also back

the request by the 3. so how safe for the un security council to take measures against the crime support for insurgency forces in africa and now to war torn gaza, where the is really military is destroyed in another mosque in the southern city of con eunice, the latest shrine demolished by the idea of was one of the oldest places of worship in the devastated enclave. more than $600.00 mosques have been completely destroyed there since october 7th. 3 churches have also been levelled, and in another video that a spartan international outcry is relationships are seen in burning copies of the koran. well, reading a mazda in northern gotcha complex if it didn't want to saying, i'm confused. i do stay with archie international up next on going underground. option responsive sticks with julian, the sanchez brother gabriel, shifting about julian's rooms the

the time action or time. see welcome back to going underground. broadcasting all around the world from the u. a julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them, exposing google hillary clinton's attempt to sup uh to us democracy and blame russia that illuminate the war crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was wiki leaks that expose jake solomon biden's. now national security advisor, right, thank you. how kind it was on the same side as the usa. it was waking leaks that exposed the present head of the ca, explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well is of course before his.