this change seems dwayne, say the, i'm actually in redundancy and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. 85 years into the 2nd world war erupted with germany's invasion opponent the world that faces the threats of another catastrophic conflict. this time ignited by israel's relentless war and gauze. the british line set you on less commands, perhaps 186000 or nearly 10 percent may have been killed. dr. john list in for instance, i families wipe from existence well under the guise of self defense back by the united states, which is funneled over 50000 tons and weapons and military hardware and j israel's hospital. but beneath israel is much folded and don't live as a nation in turmoil. fractured by the political divisions of military reportedly

stretched in an international reputation that's plummeting. is israel on a path to self destruction? and how much longer can they count on washington? as more americans question that governments backend other regime seen as a liability, showing me not from tel aviv is down the island, israel's former deputy foreign minister, next ambassador of israel to the united states and bass. jeff, welcome back to the programs mean for you as a given is rose actions of lead to a run now almost daily, threatening your country as a former advisor to an at yahoo, a former investor to the usa. do you believe it? ron has nuclear weapons already front, it's the on the board with deputy boss of is really intelligent thing. israel would lose in any conflict against iran. a good. well, 1st of all, a actually it's good to be with you again a little uh, took us a few years to uh, reconnect. nevertheless, i uh, enjoy your show. so a body, ron, i will tell you, i don't think that they are quite capable of designating that usually a device. uh,

although they may be on the customer. feet that they do have uh, enrich uranium not uh you know, what, not we have a great but enough to turn it into the web. and then it takes, it will take them a few more months its not a year or so to recognize it. uh, so i don't think that they have it, but i think that is quite clear today with all, as you mentioned, catastrophic events uh, in the middle east and beyond that uh, the wrong use actually they, they had offer a uh, a terror. evarado, see, i thought i was looking run over a very radical machine, very uh items a dangerous one. and they are actually using proxies around the lease that even gone back to. um, i guess bring about a new hedge remotely, where they would like to take over uh, the very least be why they're using their love using us. it was obviously

a run say that not proxies. these are just resistance groups that support iran. but having said what you just said, do you think now that is really the most dangerous place in the world to be a jew? i think oh, actually i think it's the is still the safest way. ready to be a jewel, unfortunately, as you mentioned and then we yeah. how you literally just told me that iran is on the verge, maybe of next year. having nuclear weapons. we're seeing all the resistance, was it? why is it safe to be jewish? because right. because because i've described the wrong and the danger from the photos, he's only half the picture. the other half, of course is our defense capabilities. ready on the 14th of april, a few months ago. ready they are launched for the 1st time. and that also shows, by the way, yeah, the deals either narratives. more than 300 and different rockets and, and drones,

all of the bus one were interested and the best. and we know that the ron says that those were deliberate decoys to get an intelligence. but if i was going back to this point, you know how many jewish people are immigrating from israel? your call is in titles and people are leaving a mess from israel to i don't think so. you know, uh, actually i, i live here and i talk to people. uh you know, um these riley's jewels, if large and what we, we like to complain to discuss it to uh, you know, look at them issue from every corner but the know is raise or saying and actually we are more just coming from abroad, especially from the united states and here again, you mentioned, you know, i, fortunately use was a standing thing to, for various reasons, but say some of them are downright and i submitted and i'm very, somebody's also rise. and by the i just submitted, ah, you know, i'm actually moving ok, you know,

where you're only get onto that. i do want to get on to that. been you just said people are leaving 30000 official figures leaving up till much between the november and much. so what are you talking about why these $30000.00 jews will leaving their leaving? because israel is not a safe place to be jewish any more? surely. no, i think i think the solutions are wrong and if you look at just make even wants to emigrate, you know, to lead. they keep their families here. so they are very, very much bye and the. busy when the war started, we were, you know, savage dfacs, the mexico, the favorite service of october. we had thousands. if not more, of these riley's will lead abroad. were on the doors abroad, they were all gone, virginia and there were no places on the, on the coming slides. so this is not

a problem whatsoever. is rarely these readies are white resilience. we live way you, you know, why am i asking anyway, i'm asking, i'm asking because i, why did you issue the authorities? it is real, keep talking about how is rarely is a place that say for years when many jews i would say, and that the as per say, that was and what the time to visit. why do you think israel media was banned from reporting on lebanese resistance? strikes on sion batch most ad unit 8200 just in the past few days because it was a 5 am reporting restriction in israel, black out of all media. why was the media band from reporting on the successful resistance strikes on most ad unit, a transition bit less, a very good question. there was nothing to report about. and again, i think that you want to pray angel propaganda either from tara,

she's below the one. i don't know as i'm just sorry, i'm just asking about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. why there there's nothing happened with the reporting restrictions institute. did it 5 am on all these really media because all of them were interested to see you there is there is one thing. every bedroom currently does. well, you know, we are an open country press errands. we really very, very energetic press. you cannot hide anything here, and so you didn't see any bobs following, going to levy or anywhere else is just because it didn't have because the failed. why would you need to put reporting restrictions? yeah, usually you should be crying about it and saying how successful is there was no binding. all of these really media from covering it unless you're trying to cover something up unless that unit hey do under the gym. bet were actually hit hard. no, no, no, no 3, actually i just drove by this morning. uh,

everything is in tax. um there was a 3, a restriction uh the restriction was only 4 days, rarely preemptive with that. and this was because of their a security considerations. and uh, and that was. ready but if you look at uh at the results, yes the be try to launch a why to if you uh, can't remember the number but with it being given uh in the hundreds. but they were all taken before they even launched and deleted. oh these all right, sorry about that because reporting restrictions i'm a journalist reporting restrictions were imposed. anything you say? we cannot be corroborated because these are in the government as binding journalist from covering it. why does the israeli military headquarters? why is it 450 meters from a hospital entry level hospital on wise when street and tel aviv? why duty is riley's put the military structures near hospitals and schools in tel

aviv labs in israel y. and i'm not sure that this is the case, you know, you for the stupid ass the same as why the 10s of on you know, a, why the, in the industry or for the same. so be our own efforts would be located in the capital and well, it depends on is not 450 meters from one of washington's biggest shopping malls. why do these riley's place the facilities near hospitals and schools? there is no a deliberate say no, was in the near schools or anything like that. and a, in any case, the uh, the schools are say, is telling me the say because we have the best or miss old ballistic. the defense ever. and this is why you see how to run and because by the same time and again, where does these by law

a successful when they use our daily communities, when they do it, when they target a civilian homes. and when they do that, say, you know, when they do get or grown a, uh, an open field. uh it is what you see. but they are not coming in, not saying your back because they know it would be devastating. the uh, the situation is this is well, is now fighting a molds i x runs war. but as far as our intelligence capabilities, as far as our operational and logical less, rosie you still quite save year and the results are back. on the one hand, you know, you guys uh we hear from us, we just turn guys up into a one major bumper. uh, 400 the meters a or one seats,

action deep house. and we multi layer and uh, i was a thousands of dollars. i was over a 100 of uh, i was just a little regional photos and we are taking them out and then operating banning janice from being able to cover the operation by these really government. we don't have successful. you being bid regarding why israel put their military facilities near jewish homes and jury schools, you'd find it acceptable then for resistance voices to as collateral. damage is rarely hospitals to be destroyed. say the, it's a, it's a little while it's middle. if that gets destroyed, it's right next to the military headquarters, so it's just acceptable collateral damage. you know, i tell you what once you are referring to is just headquarters, which are offices. you have the offices, you don't have the guns done. they have the missiles or launchers, it's not at all like she's by law. and somebody were picking their launches inside

the homes way. what was the lebanese resistance offices at west b route? the utah is there were offices when they just like the office retail of a as well. these are offices with their offices. unfortunately, you have done iris do not. and there are no guns at this is really military headquarters on fire has been street and tele be you know, you'll have there, you have the people go to work, you know the officers and it's not in need 0. it's a military headquarters dispatch but not in new jersey installation. and by the way, again, you know, if you look at the results from us when they started, they are operation for their attack on the 7th of october. and then they launched hundreds of pieces. how many users somebody sees launching now? 0. why? because we systematically took them out because we know how to the vendor says the same thing may happen, which is,

but if we decide these people that is not the let's say why about this? but i will not suppose to united nation the security council resolution 71 by which they have to pull out. they are illegal uh military units. we chose our goals, but to be i'd say it's alicia. that has to be according to 17 o one. it has to be december big enough to that we will have to take care of that. right. okay, and that's exactly the dilemma. suggest invested down the island of stop you that more from the former is really deputy foreign minister. next, i'm pastor of israel to the united states after this break the

or the hello and welcome to cross the full board. here we discuss the wheel in the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former is really deputy foreign minister, next and basket. well, of israel to the united states, down a loan and bass to thank you so much. as i said, for your explanations, in part one of how you say the operations in is really being very successful. as i said, journalists, i'm not allowed to go in and verify the claims made by israeli authorities and the

ones you just made about one. but then what about uh, these torture programs that are being covered in these riley media? what's the reason for as well as to what's your programs, it's a day to email and then they give prison the you and special roplenger alice deal edwards, itemizing jews, sexually torturing arabs business as well. uh, actually do you remember upgrade uh the, the american installation. uh, were you talking about the united states when talk about is a fully democratic countries with the law. then there isn't going to be many people . would many people around the world don't think it'd be like the states or his trail of countries or by the rule of a rule. the presidential candidate donald trump doesn't believe that the united states is currently a country of little over that. but, but still i see millions of people are trying to come to america. i don't see them are trying to be in china. ready easily ron or a russian so uh,

i think uh we have to really understand re, i'm sorry, what was the torture and the negative prison got because because i wanted to say just like the united states is where there was a little small and why still are you loud and there was no forward year is randy james in each song. and let's say, well, the soldiers will jailers are doing anything. just legal, not only they are taken out. they are charged and they're bugs. they're staying prison. i bet you are referring to one case where we have, i mean, these really, oh, sorry, it's actually arrested 5 people, 5 jailers and they are now under boise investigation and, and trials. so this is barely exceptional and you know, to every rule unfortunately there was an exception, but they smoked like doing the wrong or the other kind of thing any was to hear the

raping expectation of prisoners in the run. i mean, the last i heard everything is like, this is apple grave and it was the united states carrying out because polls in the united states, you're most americans in the united states favour a palestinian state. i mean, clear now that your uh full, my boss is only option is to draw the united states in to this conflict. and iran, i don't buy to have not being binding since the is rarely assassination of as well . any a and the what, what is this real going to do when the united states? uh, whether it be this generational, the next is good by israel. we have israel because of what israel does is regards human rights violations. we are quite capable of defending ourselves by ourselves. lay. ready sorry about that. sorry to jump so quickly, but you're not valued because that's why the americans are giving you tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars. weapons without the united states. you

are, you don't have a country. i don't think so. if you look at the united states, the defense age, to natal, to south korea to japan, it's 100 times what the are doing with is with, with these rights more security corporation. they enjoy our technology, their enjoy, our strategic and tactical lead. um, i didn't say he innovations and also the us and these was our natural elyse because of assistance. you know, the democracy's support democracy is not only that is where they know that the united states is one is the most dependable l i of the united states in the region at all. and is they need and they, they are interest east to have stability in the region. their interest is that not to, to have um, oil prices,

a height. they know is what it can take care of. why do i care of it by controlling arab neighbors? don't, well it's how do you a, what do you mean controlling oil prices like sending in arms to israel? i mean, actually i was gonna ask about the about that. um, that is your view that the guys opperation which as i said, may have killed 10 percent of the population, which is equivalent of killing, say, 5 and a half 1000000 people in britain, 27000000 people in the united states. that's the proportion of numbers killed in kaiser according to the estimates from the lancet british ship medical journal. is it your view that what needs to happen now? is that every hour being garza and christian needs to go to assign a? does it know? so 1st of all, let me just correct one thing when i was hoping by full prices, you know, be the reduced to being the, the least oil prices are being dictated. basically in the gulf countries,

united states, although it is now self sufficient on energy supplies, they don't need an oil prices high because it's inflation and everything goes with it. so this is why they need to be, this is why they need a strong is where, where it is ready to its origin was heard on the 7th of october, it was very important to re establish these, the parents. how do you re establish these parents? by me? it gets old and the subject of tauriel and the tyrants anymore. the lever needs to be bombing his railing. the past few days a ron bombed israel for the 1st time ever. in the past few months. human is uh, uh, booming israel. i don't even remember when he lost it, that it doesn't have any deterrence, but i'm just asking why on the hood, you, you think that the oil prices in any way a to, to do it this. and whether the,

the numbers killed actually, you know, the, israel's reputation right now is in tablets all around the world as well. yes. and this is very unfortunate. and again, dear, i think that the true story is not being revealed. like you are telling me about millions of, uh, guys as being killed, which is not think of, uh, even near the take millions in proportion. it's based on the british. yeah. it's a quadratic proportion. it is not corrosive because i tell you what they had the boss stairs didn't because they are mostly you. so at the bell? no official. no. do we know you're not allowing john? listen, listen, we are getting guys. you know that you guys right now. there's another, yes we are, you guys have, i'd like you to, to guys are in your deliberately no allowing john, let's see the guys, you'll be very, you'll be very welcome. when it say right now,

you will be trapped on terroristic batches, and we're taking care of decision di, because we want to spare. they've got some people who are not doing both. but most of the people that were killed were, are because they were from us members and some boss is putting themselves in positioning themselves. nothing. you're saying can be verified because you're not allowing you to listen. you're saying it's not safe. i was in damascus during the war, which is well supported against the side, with the european union in the united states. they didn't have a problem with journalists going in, well, uh, there was a, your old boss. net and you know, treating isis dash on the golan heights. we saw pictures of the why is it you're not responding about the plan for guys? because you said it was the controller, a television station. you're on this guitar, a television station saying you want to, people have guys that to go to sign. i is that still you of you? no, no. what i meant was that they should clear the way you know it was,

it was and civilians and guys that should be underway. these would have been the best. well that's the. ready way so the some us, you know, would face is really military face to face model uh model and not the. busy go behind the what's happened with the boss is that they like cowards. they are hiding behind the civil populations that they were targeting our civil nations. no more because the to out all there. uh, this is it is and now it's a mobile ration, but i can tell you that i'll, i'll give you some numbers and you're not very viable because they come from from us. and they talk about 40000 that i can tell you out of these 40000 bit more than 20000 are a terrorist armed terrorist and the racial one to one is the lowest in the, you know, allowing trying to stay. and so we kind of verified that it's in your interest to tell me that. so 2000000 palestinian to me, you know,

about indians have to leave guys and go into the desert to live in tents, which is what you've said on the board. and then what i'll and then you'll destroy garza even more kill everyone left. and then how many of that? so then the 2000000 can then come back to god. so is that your plan on the plan? i'm letting you know who yeah. what this? well yeah, but obviously this landing place and. ready this is wide, so unfortunately some casualties the longest, billions about the, the plan for guys are, is very simple. each to view radicalized guys on the, you know, the device does it as it shouldn't be. busy to the dramatically agreements when this happens. and of course we would very much like to see a prosperous guys up as we planned for you on a 2005 august 2005 is realistic guys altogether to the last page. given us hopefully to a new era, but from us over they actually had to call the top it guess the 040. they were

cheap housing authority officials. they took over as you all right. you know, you can't lie other day than you in the west bank where we're running out of time. i've just got to ask you, you loan wanted the saudi arabia to join the abraham accords. why do you think is there it has no chance whatsoever of that dream that you and then it and yahoo administration and it's people, one of saudi arabia joining if anything is there is more isolated than ever. you have an economy in tat as jews and leaving home mess. and you are preparing for the onslaught. i think a lebanese resistance and the mainland government saying, oh the waiting game is positive it, those jews will never be going back to the north. will they anytime soon? i as well, i'm sorry to take an issue, but i think of what you've said. these are for the prison off the ryan,

and that is below just totally not true. they have their interest maybe to kind of bolster their own the people and maybe more out because they are in the. busy very low point and i would say one, but there was only one solution for beast and prosperity in the middle east is that it is then sunni countries, israel, united states, and nasal, heavy and alliance. as we are heading now against the forces of people which are the running, they have told us, piece by law a how boss and the high been forced east north korea and russia, some guys drive. and so there are 2 camps here. and there is no doubt which camp is really in which camp will continue to read it as any one more thing, the gulf companies and so on. are you ready? yeah, they use ready see? not just because they have problems. no, just the security issues from may you right? that's right. some wrong, but also it's uh the future for uh for security and what are available is this is

or is what is number one in the world. okay? but it's number one is feeling walter, according to the role and why the cartridge, the countries are friends with anyone. but every one i should, i should say. and certainly a, you know, they have good relations with china and russia and the russian china understand what to what nathan is doing. of course, in west, in your a. but i began this by talking about the 2nd world war you. what do you think of the line such figures? then this amman and british journal saying that a 186000 may have been slaughtered by u. k. u. s. a u weaponry in the hands of the israelis equivalent, as i said, proportionately to 5 and a half 1000000 people, men, women, and children, mostly women and children killed in britain or 27000000 in the usa. what do you think of that? british british medical journal, the lines that as well, again, i think you, there is, this is born always downright blind. and you mentioned this is like is, was positioning in the world is not the best because of the labels. and with the

lies it gets us which, you know, we are not very capable of dyslexia because we're busy doing great. i would love that all the study was peer review. why would they make what a delightful you're not comparing the nonsense to the nazis. i they are, i would say that the, i have told us of the wrong, we, the proxies like this, these blah, and do you know, in the, or she, i e, l i is whether it's the she, i, the missions in the rock or in syria or the image medical journal, they, well they, they, are they downright terrorist and you know, unfortunately, you know, well or the ever i say why you say, but we're out of time about them. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very by u. k u s e u, i'm genocide, will be back with

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