the, the time action or attendance, and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. 85 years since the 2nd world war interrupted with germany's invasion opponent the world that faces the threats of another catastrophic conflict. this time ignited by israel's relentless war and gone into the british alonza general estimates, perhaps 186000 nearly 10 percent may have been killed. doctor john list infants entire families wipe from existence while under the guise of self defense back by the united states. which is funneled over 50000 tons and weapons, and military hardware and a israel's hospital. but beneath israel is much wanted and don't live as a nation in turmoil. fractured by the political divisions of military reportedly stretched in an international reputation that is plummeting. is israel up up to self destruction and how much longer can they come to in washington as more

americans question that governments backing other regime seen as a liability? joining me now from tel aviv is daniel, how long israel's former deputy foreign minister, next and bassinger of israel to the united states and by staff. welcome back to the program has been for years. a given is rose actions of lead to a run. now, almost daily, threatening your country as a former advisor and then yahoo, a former investor to the usa. do you believe it? ron has nuclear weapons already front? it's you on the board with deputy boss of is really intelligent thing. israel would lose in any conflict against iran. yeah. well 1st of all, actually it's good to be with you again a little uh, took us a few years to uh, reconnect. nevertheless, i enjoyed your show. so a body, ron, and i will tell you, i don't think that they are quite capable of designating the device, although they may be on the customer. they do have enriched uranium, not

a big you know what? not great, but enough to turn it into the web and then it takes it will take them um 2 more months if not a year or so to recognize. uh so i don't think that they have it, but i think that is quite clear today with all, as you mentioned, catastrophic events uh, in the middle east and beyond that uh, the wrong use actually they, they had offer a uh, a terror. evarado. see, i have the run over a very radical machine, very uh i was a dangerous one and they are actually using proxies around the lease that even gone back to. um, i guess bring about a new hedge of money where they would like to take over uh, the middle of the why they're using their love using us. it was obviously iran saying that not proxies. these are just resistance groups that support iran. but

having said what you just said, do you think now that is riley is the most dangerous place in the world to be a jew? i think oh, actually i think it's the is still the safest way. ready to be a jewel unfortunately, as you mentioned, um really. yeah. how you literally just told me that iran is on the verge, maybe of next year. having nuclear weapons. we've seen all the resistance, was it, why is it safe to be jewish? because right. because because god describe the wrong and the danger from guy told us he's only had the picture. the other half, of course is our besides capabilities. ready on the 14th of april, a few months ago. ready they are launched for the 1st time and that also shows, by the way, yeah, there are narratives more than 300 different rockets and, and drones, all of the bus one where the intercepted and the best. and we know that the around says that those were deliberate decoys to get an intelligence. but if i was going

back to this point, you know how many jewish people are immigrating from israel? your call is in titles and people are leaving a mess from israel or to i don't think so. you know, i actually, i, i leave here and i talk to people, you know, these riley's jewels if large my, we like to complain to uh, discuss it to uh look at that issue from every corner but. busy no rays are staying and actually we are more just coming from abroad, especially from the united states. and here again, you mentioned, you know, i, fortunately use was less than that today in the world for various reasons. but say some of them are downright and i submitted and i'm very, somebody's also rise. and by the i just submitted, ah, you know, i'm actually moving it up, you know, where you're only get onto that. i do want to get on to them and you just said

people are leaving 30000 official figures leaving up till much between the november and much. so what are you talking about why these $30000.00 jews will leaving their leaving? because israel is not a safe place to be jewish any more? surely. no, i think i think this is a wrong. and if you look at us, maybe even wants to emigrate to not sleep. they keep their families here. so they are very, very much bye and the. busy when the war started, we were, you know, savage, the attack, the messic, the favorite service of october. we had thousands. if not more, of these riley's will lead abroad. were on the doors of roads, they were all gone, virginia and there were no places on the, on the coming slides. so this is not a problem whatsoever. is rarely, these readies are quite resilient. we live way you, you know,

why am i asking anyway, i'm asking, i'm asking because i, why did you issue the authorities? it is real, keep talking about how is rarely is a place that say for years when many jews i would say in the d as per say, that was and what the time to visit. why do you think israel media was banned from reporting on lebanese resisting strikes on sion batch? most ad unit 8200 just in the past few days, because that's a, it was a 5 am reporting restriction in israel black out of all media. why was the media band from reporting on the successful resistance strikes unless that unit, a transition bad? less a very good question. there was nothing to report about. and again i, i think that's uh you want to pray into propaganda either from tara, she's below the one. i don't know as i'm just sorry, i'm just asking about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. why there, there is nothing happened while i with the reporting restrictions institute,

did it 5 am on all of these really media a, because all of them were interested the c s. e. there is, there is one thing. every bank currently does rent, you know, we are in the open country press errands. we'd really very, very energetic press. you cannot hide anything you're a so you didn't see any bobs following, going to have a or anywhere else is just because it didn't have because that is will not failed. why would you need to put reporting restrictions? yeah, usually you should be crying about it and saying how successful israel was not banning all of these really media from covering it unless you're trying to cover something up and most ad unit hey, do under the gym. bet were actually hit hard. no, no, actually, no, no 3, actually i just drove by this morning. uh, everything is in tax. um, there was a 3, a restriction uh the restriction was only 4 days,

rarely preemptive attack. and this was because of their a security considerations. and uh, and that was it, but if you look at uh the results, yes the be try to launch a why to if you uh, can't remember the number but with it being given uh in the hundreds. but they were all taken before they even launched and we did oh, these. all right, sorry about that because reporting restrictions i'm a journalist reporting restrictions were imposed. anything you say? we cannot be corroborated because these are in the government as binding journalists from covering it. why does the israeli military headquarters? why is it 450 meters from a hospital entry level hospital on wise when street and tel aviv? why do the israelis put the military structures near hospitals and schools in tel aviv? it labs in israel y, and i'm not sure that this is the case. you know,

you put this stupid ass the say these by the time to go on, you know, why the, in the industry all say the same. so be our own efforts would be located in the capital and where the page is going is the 450 meters from one of washington's biggest shopping malls. why did the israelis place the facilities near hospitals and schools? there is no and deliberate, say, no. ready working been the new schools or anything like that. and a, in any case the, the schools are say, is telling me the say because we have the best or miss old ballistic defense ever. and this is why you see how to run. and because by the same time and again, where does these by law a successful when they use our daily communities, when they do it, when they tired it civilian homes. and when they do that, you say,

you know, when they do gets or grown a, uh, uh, an open field is what you see. but they are not coming in knots and we'll be gone back because they know it would be devastating. the uh, the situation is that this is what it is now by d a modes i x runs war. but as far as our intelligence capabilities, as far as our operational and logical, less reality, we still quite save here and their results are that on the one hand, you know, you guys, we had some us which had turned guys up into a one major bumper off 400 the meters a or one seats, actually deep house and we've multi layer and i was of thousands of dollars. i was a very, a 100 of uh,

just below results the toes and we are taking them out and then operate spending janice from being able to cover the operation by the israeli government. we don't have successful. you being bid regarding why israel put their military facilities near the jewish homes and jewish schools, you'd find it acceptable then for the resistance voices to as collateral. damage is rarely hospitals to be destroyed. say the, it's a, it's a little while it's little. if that gets destroyed, it's right next to the military headquarters, so it's just an acceptable collateral damage or no, i tell you what once you are referring to is just headquarters, which are offices. you have their offices, you don't have the guns done. they have the missiles or launchers, if not at all, like she's by law. and some of us were putting their launches inside the homes where we live, elizabeth, the lebanese resistance offices at west b route. utah is there were offices where they just liked the office retail every

as well. these are offices with their offices. unfortunately, you have done iris do not. and there are no guns at this is really military headquarters on fire has been street and tele be you know, you'll have there you have the people go to work, you know, the offices and it's not in need 0. it's a military headquarters dispatch but not in need. terry installation. and by the way, again, you know, you look at the results from us when they started, they are operation for their attack on the 7th of silver and then they launched hundreds of uses. how many uses somebody's launching now? 0. why? because we systematically took them out because we know how to do better, says the same thing may happen in which case. but if we decide these people that is not the, let's say why it down is, but i will not suppose to united nation,

the security council resolution 71 by which they have to pull out. uh, they are illegal uh military units. you chose our goals, but to be i'd say it's a simulation that has to be according to 70. no one has to be december big enough to do that. we will have to take care of right exam. as you see the blooms, the adjust, invested down the island of stop you that more from the former is really deputy foreign minister. next, i'm pastor of israel to the united states after this break, the if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the landscapes open up before your eyes?

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the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former is rarely deputy foreign minister, next and basket of israel to the united states, down a loan. i'm about to thank you so much. as i said, for your explanations, in part one of how you say the operations in is really being very successful. as i said, journalists are not allowed to go in and verify the claims made by as early authorities and the ones you just made about one. but then what about the these torture programs that are being covered in these riley media? what's the reason for as well as to which programs it's a day to email and in the negative prism, the un special rapids are alice deal edwards, itemizing jews, sexually torturing arabs business as well. uh, actually do you remember the rate of the, the american installation uh, were you talking about the united states?

what i'm talking about is a fully democratic countries. we really well then the originally, the many people would many people around the world don't think it'd be united states or his trail of countries or by the rule of a rule. there presidential candidate donald trump doesn't believe that the united states is currently a country of little over that. but let's do i see millions of people are trying to come to america. i don't see them are trying to do in china or easily, ron or russian. so uh, i think uh we have to really understand, we are sorry, what was going to do with the torture and the negative prism got because because they wanted to say the, just like the united states is where there was a little small. and why still are you loud? and there was no forward year is randy james and he's son and that's a rogue. the soldiers will jailers are doing anything. just legal, not only they are taken out, they are charged and they're bugs. they're staying prison. i think you are

referring to one case where we have, i mean, these really, oh, sorry, it's actually arrested 5 people, 5 jailers. and they are now undergoing investigation and, and trials. so this is barely exceptional and you know to every cooler portion of the original exception, but they smoked like g the wrong or, and the other kind of thing any, was to him i was demanding, raping expectation of prisoners in the run. i mean, the last i heard of the things like this is apple grave and it was the united states carrying out because polls in the united states, most americans in the united states favour a palestinian state. i mean, clear now that your uh, full, my boss is only option is to join the united states in to this conflict and iran and not biting of not being biting since the israeli assassination of as well. any a and the what, what is this real going to do when the united states?

the, whether it be this generation or the next is good by israel. we hate israel because of what israel does is regards human rights violations. we are quite capable of defending ourselves by ourselves. lay. ready sorry to jump so quickly, but you're not value because that's why the americans are giving you tens of billions or hundreds of millions of dollars weapons without the united states. you are, you don't have a country. i don't think so. if you look at the united states, the defense age, to nature, to south korea, to japan, it's 100 times where the are doing with his with, with this right? small rock security corporation, they enjoy our technology. they're enjoy our strategic and tactical lead. um, i would say he innovations and also the us and uses our natural elyse because of

assistance. you know, the most democracy's support democracy is not only that is where they know that the united states is what is the most dependable l i of the united states in the region at all. and is they need and they, they are interest east to have stability in the region. their interest is that, not to, to uh, have um, oil prices, a height. they go easily can take care of the way i care of it by controlling arab neighbors. i don't know, it's how the you a, what do you mean controlling oil prices like sending in homes to israel? i mean, actually i was gonna ask about the about that. um, that is your view that the gods opperation which as i said, may have killed 10 percent of the population, which is equivalent of killing, say, 5 and a half 1000000 people in britain, 27000000 people in the united states. that's the proportion of numbers killed in

kaiser according to the estimates from the lancet british ship medical journal. is it your view that what needs to happen now is that every arab and guys and christian needs to go to the site and i does it? nope. so 1st of all, let's we just correct one thing when i was hoping, but what prices, you know, get the reduced to being the least low prices are being dictated. basically in the gulf countries, united states, although it is now self sufficient on energy supplies, they don't need an oil prices high because it's inflation and everything goes with it. so this is why they need to be, this is why they need a strong is where, where it is ready to its origin was heard on the 7th of october. it was very important to re establish these, these areas. how do you really establish these areas by meaning? it gets old for the civic tutorial and the tyrants anymore.

the level needed to be bombing his railing. the past few days, iran bottomed israel for the 1st time ever in the past few months. human is a booming israel, i don't even remember when he lost it, that it doesn't have any deterrence. but i'm just asking why one of the, uh you, you think that the oil prices in any way a to, to do with this. and whether the, the numbers killed actually, you know, the, israel's reputation right now is in tablets full around the world as well. yes. and this is very unfortunate. and again, dear, i think that the true story is not being revealed. like you are telling me about millions of, uh, cousins being killed, which is not big of uh, even near the st. millions is proportionate based on the british. yes. the quadratic proportionate use. these does not corrosive because i tell you what they

are the mice terrorist because they are mostly you. so at the bell? no official. no. do we know you're not allowing john? listen, listen, we are getting guys. you know, these guys right now, there's another guy here where you guys live. i'd like you to, to guys are in your deliberately no allowing, john, let's see the guys. julie berry, you'll be very welcome. when it say right now, the sold will be drafted on terroristic pressures. and we're taking care of the 2nd time because we want to spare the guys of people who are not both. but most of the people that were killed were, are because they were from us members and some boss is putting themselves in positioning themselves. nothing. you're saying can be verified because you're not allowing janice and you're saying it's not safe. i was in damascus during the war, which is well supported against the side, with the european union in the united states. they didn't have a problem with journalists going in, well, uh, there was a,

your old boss. net and you know, treating isis dash on the goal and i, so we saw pictures of the, why is it you're not responding about the plan for guys? because you said it was the controller or a television station. you're on this guitar, a television station saying you want the people who have guys that to go to sign i is that still your view? no, no. what i meant was that they should clear the way you know, who's innocent civilians and gods that should clear the way they sort of getting the best for the. ready way so the, some us, you know, i would face is really military face to face model a model and not. busy go behind them, you know, what's happened with this of us is that they like cowards. they are hiding behind the civil populations and they were targeting our civil populations. no more because we took out all their uh, mrs. capabilities and now it's a mobile ration. but i can tell you that i'll give you some numbers and you're not

very fiber because they all come from from us. and they talk about 40000 that i can tell you out of these 40000 that more than 20000 are a terrorist armed terrorist. and the racial of $1.00 to $1.00 is the lowest in the allowing jonathan. so we kind of verified that it's in your interest to tell me that so 2000000 palestinian 2000000 or both indians have to leave guys and go into the desert to live in tents, which is what you've said on the board. and then what i'll and then you'll destroy garza even more kill everyone left. and then how many of that? so then the 2000000 can then come back to god's is not your plan on the plan. i'm letting you know who yeah. what this well yeah. but obviously this landing the place and. ready this is wide and so unfortunately some of the casualties among disability is about the the plan for guys that is very simple,

each to be radicalized because of the new device, does it as it used to be. busy to the dramatically agreements when this happens. and of course, we would very much like to see a prosperous guys up as we planned for you on a 2005, august 2005 is realistic guys altogether to the last page, given you to hopefully to a new era. but from us to over, they actually had to put it up against the 040. they were cheap housing authority officials. they took over as you already know. you can't lie other day than you in the west bank where we're running out of time. i've just got to ask you, you've long wanted the saudi arabia to join the abraham accords at why do you think uh, is there it has no chance whatsoever of that dream that you and then it and yahoo administration and it's people, one of saudi arabia joining if anything is there is more isolated than ever you

have an economy intact as jews a leaving whole mess. and you are preparing for the onslaught. i think a lebanese resistance and the reigning government saying, oh the waiting game is positive it, those jews will never be going back to the north. will they anytime soon? i as well, i'm sorry to take an issue, but i think of what you've said. these are for the prison off the ryan and that is below just totally not true. they have their interest maybe to kind of bolster their. busy own the equal and may be more out because they are in the. busy very low point and i would say one, but there was only one solution for peace and prosperity in the middle east. is that it is the sunni countries, israel, united states, and nato heavy and alliance. as we are having now against the forces of people

which are the running, they have told us this by law a how boss and the high been forced is north korea and russia, some guys, china. so there are 2 camps here, and there is no doubt which camp is winning and which camp will continue to read. and then one more thing, the gulf countries and so on, your area, they use ready c knowledge because they have problems. no just and the security issues from may be wrong. that's right, some wrong, but also it's uh the future for um, uh for security and what are available this, this is where is what is number one in the world. okay. but it's number one is feeling walter, according to the role and why they're going to choose the countries of friends with anyone. but every one i should, i should say. and certainly a, you know, they have good relations with china and russia and russian china understand what to what nathan is doing. of course, in west, in your a. but i began this by talking about the 2nd world war you. what do you think of the line such figures? then this amman and british journal saying that

a 186000 may have been slaughtered by u. k. u. s. a u weaponry in the hands of the israelis equivalent, as i said, proportionately to 5 and a half 1000000 people, men, women, and children, mostly women and children killed in britain or 27000000 in the usa. what do you think of that? british british medical journal, the lines that as well, again, i think you, there is, this is born always downright blind. and you mentioned this is like is, was positioning in the world is not the best because of the labels. and with the lies it gets us which, you know, we are not very yeah, capable of dyslexia because they're busy going great. i would love that. all the study was peer review. why would they make what a delightful? you're not comparing the lunch. so to the nazis i, they are, i would say that the, i have told us of the wrong we, the proxies like this is blah and the, you know, in there she, i, e, l, i swear, there is the she, i, the missions you,

the rock or in syria or the image medical gen, are they, well they, they, are they downright terrorist and, you know, unfortunately, you know, well or the ever, i say why you say, but we're out of time about them. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very by u. k. u. s. and you, i'm genocide will be back with a brand new episode on that day until then keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive and your country and channel, so we have the grantee on rumble, they'll come to engineering old episodes of going undergrad. she said that the the

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