or can you see through their illusions, going underground? can the washington replace the rest of gate card as the us attorney general claims archie is helping moscow interfere and this year's presidential election? 3 things are certain in life of death, taxes, and are these interference in the us election? that's how our post office has hit back at the applications. dear cnn, we certainly have a response. actually we have several, but we can decide on one. we even thought of running an office poll, so here they are. one. talk to ha, ha, ha, ha, 3 and impossible to determine who's

responsible once again, that is the core is coming from you in atomic agency, director rafael rossi. he's with the visiting the separation of nuclear power plants who conduct the latest observer rotation, the live in moscow. i'm rachel ruble. this is r t international sparts. he was banned in the west in 2022, but that's not stopping us from meddling. and this here is us presidential election . police that's according to the countries justice department claims of russia, and specifically our very own network is engaged in a sustain that campaign to influence the outcome of the trump harris res ortiz, editor in chief margarita so many on has been, it's sanctioned by washington in response she's asked, what officials there would do without a convenient but the man like us. the one thing i don't understand is if they finally kick us out, how would they hold the next election? they have no other scenarios at all except to undermine

a competitor. scaring the penguins over his connections with the almighty are t. i'm pleased of course, but suppose we leave completely then what they will cancel the next election. oh, they will cancel. i can feel it in my heart, or we won't leave. it does feel as if we've just been here so many times before. it's like, can you just come up with a new narrative? yes. we know all she's being accused as again, of propaganda. these allegations just made now by the attorney general in the us. and the allegation is that there is this private website which creates fake news website that is linked to all tea, although he provided no evidence of how it's apparently linked to odyssey. and that is being used to metal ahead of the us selections to influence people as to how they going to vote. and i mean, i have to say you have the have to question how precarious the system is in the us . if apparently one fake news websites can make people decide to but one

way or another, or to really sway his entire legs you across, well, have a nice phase. how many millions of people. i mean, that is a pretty incredible in simulation. now as a result of these allegations, new sanctions being put in place against all these editor in chief and also 32 internet domains have been seized by the us government. so pretty strong allegations, but no evidence to back it up so far. yeah, i have to admit, i didn't realize archie had so many viewers in america, especially since like, we can't even see it has there. this comes after a cnn report where our t was accused of meddling and our channel issued a response. uh, walk us through it. yeah, that's right. so archie, not taking these allegations to seriously say we've been here certainly times for like come on, just have another story. just come up with a new idea. and as a result of all price office was requested by cnn to respond to these allegations

before we heard from the attorney general given 3 minutes to do so, before cnn. i took its article public online and as a response, this is what our price office came up with. dear cnn, we certainly have a response. actually, we have several, but we couldn't decide on one. we even thought of running an office poll. so here they are. one huh. 2, ha, ha, ha, ha. 3 i for 2016, called and it once is cliches. back 53 things are certain in life. death, taxes, and ortiz interference in the us elections. 6, we got to earn our kremlin paycheck somehow. 7, somewhere. secretary clinton is sad, but it's not because of her. well, i know that cnn run the 2016 cold and wants its case years back. but i think my

favorite is that there are 3 things to, to the tax is in the hotel is behind russian propaganda. and in the us, however, the attorney general was asked to file all keys response to that cnn optical. and he seems pretty unimpressed. the saying the us is taking this very serious thing in date, russia today sent the statement to fox news and some other outlets here. mocking the situation. they had 5 bullet points, a 6 bullet points, the 1st at heart 2016 once it's cliches, back. in all seriousness, there is a subsection of the country that when they hear russian in interference, they may believe that it's not true. it's not a real thing. how do you assure people this is a real situation? i'm sure that was much funnier and the original russian. but for us, it's not funny. this is deadly serious, and we are going to treat it accordingly. so rachel, if i had a dollar for every time off, he has been accused to propaganda. i pay a very rich person. so it really has to be so many times before us taking this very

seriously, all to say, come on, pull the other one so far from the 1st time we've heard about banding russians for an attempt to interfere and us selections. what talked about the previous accusations and how to all those cases come out? well, i think the main one is back in 2016 when a trump won the election between clinton and that time there was a huge rush like 8 scandal. we had outlets like buzz feed and political clips run things up. this idea that russia had been involved due to being to losing it in to fade and all different ways we have been told you don't see that as the democratic party was using. this was a don't see that was written up by a british 5. it turned out to be full saying russia helped trump in 2016. we had the d and c. documents, the clinton emailing school saying, you know, russia did best, it was up the highest of most of no proof. and we had facebook and poaching

accounts that were linked to russia. we had auntie having to register back then in 2017 as being for an agency. this is before we were taken off our in 2022, then 2003. the managed list. all of this and seen the highest of speech f b i who to essentially be singling out individual attempts and same to social media joining floods. facebook, twitter, this is the person need so often faces the account. we want to take them down. then we had the justice department special terms. so saying that the s c, i claims that link from to russia. this whole thing was they were unable to pull the admission to get some evidence to prove those links. we had the motor report, which was huge. the way back in 2019, again, from links to russia, trump has been supported by russia. russia's be meddling. all tease be meddling again. who turned out to be part dictated on full ideas. then we had the clinton

leads again from please link to russian. back again was full. we have, he's so many times before the thing just close to the point of a function. and you have to question how we, the system is that you can assume that when the american movie american population for turning in, woodson being critical of their own systems. that has to be enough to have any comments. and the p american population not small enough to think for themselves to dislike, but when they go to the polls in november, that they can choose the candidates that they think is the best candidates for them to leave the country. and the us justice department kept insisting during this declaration about the legal actions against r t, that americans are apparently, well too influenced by russian media. for years, the russian government has used r t to see an amplify their propaganda and narratives around the world. russia

remains a predominant foreign threat to our elections. the government of russia continued to use r t to direct this information and propaganda. r t has used people living and working inside the us to facilitate contracts with american media figures to create and disseminate russian propaganda here. all right, well, we can cross now it's one of those very americans who is become too influenced by this. suppose that russian propaganda r t is donald at quarter, joins me now. so don, the justice department says americans are under our influence. now. do you feel influence? have we succeeded in our goal to wait a 2nd? i didn't know. i know i was being influenced so you're telling me that over the past 7 years, i worked at this company that you've been all influencing me. this is unbelievable . now i've kept before, so i'm just kidding. in all seriousness, i mean these allegations against russia, from the justice department have to be some of the most absurd ones that we've seen

throughout all of the allegations that they've given. i mean that moscow is really funding a $10000000.00 propaganda farm and tennessee to undermine trust in the us as institutions. i mean as a result of all this, the bottom of ministration like we heard earlier, has put sanctions on our editor in chief margarita c manion. it's launch charges against some of our, um, uh, some of the, some of our, uh, co workers simply for not registering this for an agents while they were allegedly posting videos and content on the internet. it's all really strange. i mean, on top of that, the attorney general claims that this was done so that moscow could get some sort of preferred outcome of the out of the future elections, even though the, even though there's the fact that kamala harris has only said, pretty much negative things, about russia, and if we look back at donald trump's presidential administration is, you know, the term where he did serve in the white house,

he continued or regime of sanctions against russia and did a pretty, pretty much continued a lot of what was going on before that i mean, now it's important, understand also that this new wave of anti russia mania that we're seeing. all of the sudden i really began, i would say, when kamala replaced bite and uh, in the, as the democratic nominee for the upcoming elections. and these are accusations that we've seen time and time again, uh, often around previous selections, like charlotte mentioned earlier in the program or on 2016, like in 2018. and now we're seeing the same thing. and every time we see these charges, it's against the russians who are not located in the united states and will likely never, uh, go to court over this stuff. right. and it's convenient enough for the united states that they'll never have to actually prove these allegations in a court of law based on the people they are actually going after and trying to charge. and another thing it goes to show is just that this really is not about the

so called russian, this information like the authorities are, are saying really this has to do with the fact that most of the media, most of the media in the united states, i'm talking about the mainstream media, of course, is completely controlled by the american political establishment and r t is one of the very few media sources where you can get alternative information that actually give some sort of alternative perspective. there are very few of them in our tea probably has to be, i would say one of the most popular and that is something that's very dangerous for america's political leads and very good for americans who are looking to think outside the box. yeah, certainly, anna, and i am certainly glad to hear that you can still think for yourself despite all the russian propaganda, ortiz donald, the car to her don, thank you. all right, well that's across so now to kim hell, our author of no white lies kim. good to have you on the program with us. another way of, of accusations against our tea coming from washington,

whereby for the story before, what's your take on these election interference claims? thank you. well, 1st of all, congratulations to up to you. i think you have a, you've just got a, your based marketing campaign, and i'm sure you're going to have millions of new subscribers. i think it's a very interesting development, but an unpredictable, a predictable one. and i think it shows the desperation of the democratic party in america 1st and foremost because they, they are full fronting a candidate to seems to be flagging park poorly. and it hasn't got the support of the american people. but it also shows if we look at the american states as it is, i think this is symbolic of its loss of influence on the world stage. we see certainly, ah, speaking from the african continent, and we seem to wayne includes the sphere of influence of america with, in the continent and elsewhere. so i think americans struggling to deal with this

of this new world order way. it's not permanent, but the claims of interference all very are running and how the critical end because america nations interferes with countries around the world. but also think we have to look at this in terms of strategic influence in the ukraine rule. i think this could be a justification for move even more money to go to ukraine. but at the hospital, what is this is a very dissatisfied american citizen. we who are tired of the broken promises of the american government, and so it rushes always has to be easy scapegoat. and it's a story, it's the same break will be good for years and years. you know, to me, it's interesting that you said that this is entirely predictable because i was us back in america last months. and during the democratic national convention and to

watch the american media, it would seem that pamela harris is doing quite well in the polls. but you say that this is, this is evidence of the desperation of the democrats. i'm wondering what your thoughts on that as well. we have to bear in mind that she has the media behind her . but it's, it's mazda prep propaganda. and in the states of america, you hearing a very different you and i think that's why the impact of alternative voices such as r t a particularly dangerous to the reading khaki because they, they, they will, they are feeding and loss of their to support. and it's only for so long that the vs and the voting polls can stick to certain narrative and they don't watch any, any interference to that. but if you look at to, to recent read these. yeah, she's being embarrassing into a lot of the teaching and policy discussions and the american people are not a stupid population. they all way up the shortcomings of the democratic party. and

um i think that's, that's obviously coming off, trusting in the posting of the potty, although it's not made public member ot. so any alternative your voice is of great sweet because maybe before the pest demick punching, i'm punching face such a and we were a honda contest eviction. there is some, it is very or, well in, when you think about it, because us officials claim that was shut down a number of the websites allegedly linked to russia. but even if that's true, that there are these websites, they're putting out misinformation. shouldn't people be able to decide for themselves? why does the government have to tell them which information they can consume? i mean, actually your point just as the valid and also we speak about america. america has always sold this narrative of being the, the democracy, the greatest democracy in the world. and as i was saying earlier, i think the most about that is on folding across many continents. and in this new

world order, which is least controlled by america and america and its allies. and don't think of this, the state just increasingly just sweet doesn't one time popular resistance to it's stalls. i'm you crate. it doesn't watch the popular stones on the support of israel to come out and open the citizens off it up with the american government. and i think we don't just see a slow towards the trump administration. and i think that is a law mean the powers that be so they want to control the mind of americans. and i think it's a great democracy of democracy, end of the american people, that the, the government and the most a narrative media. they have the media that will be holding to them on costing such a such a a s s a city tale about the influence of r t which has actually been um. ringback missed 1st off the main stream, american media media as a sphere. yeah. people, if they want to watch

r t in america, they really have to go and actively search for it. so it's not like you just flipping through the channels and all of a sudden ortiz on, you know, that the report claims that are tooth coverage, influences us voters. but doesn't this new wave of aggregate? i can use ations against russian media and itself do the same thing, isn't that in itself an influence? the executive. but i think that closely with the proper seals, the very stones. but i think that the average american is going to see through the propaganda and lies that has been taught consistency by the regime and a such desire to control the voices of opponents, opposition, voices, and opposition. media to me is a sign of a regime that's in great trouble. englishing that a strong, a government that is strong. i've trusted people that trust its own narrative isn't presented by alternative viewpoints. but i think this is

a great environment will be american government and the media exchange full. but in what we have been told is such a great democracy has for the um, on have sold for such a and such on that to end the once again i congratulate r t because use your office opened up. it didn't even in places, way your influences, the governments have tried to emerge. so congratulations. yeah, yeah, our influence is so strong even when people can't watch us because her influence a tim, artie of course blocked in most western countries. but it is a popular and i might as well respected global news resource for much of the rest of the world. do you think that this is actually what concerns washington? a literally, it's always sitting at the beginning. i think the, the weight of the american influence has never been stronger. i think people are

seeing the lives behind the american dream. and certainly in africa from where i'm speaking at ortiz, very, very popular, and a seen as a digital mate voice this at a time when many african countries, governments and countries are reduced to the influence of america. so i think it's a assign post, this topic, propaganda and for a declining tongue in here for wisdom democracies predominately america, i think america's 14, i think americans not taking copies some of the worries of its own population, but off beckoning economically. that does what the text artist, sponsor, ukraine. they tied up a storm, so it is true. they are suffering while america is interfering in the world economies. that is the ridiculous thing. it is america that is guilty of interference, not the us, not the russian government and sydney, not a r t. all right, we're going to live with our cam. hell, our author of no white lies kim,

thank you. thank you. thank you. an atomic energy agency director rafael grossey has declared the impossible to define who's responsible for the showing up as i propose a nuclear power plant. he's visiting the facility to conduct the latest observer rotation after an assault of that sort of fire and it's cooling block last month, commenting on the incident grossey or portal they said because couldn't have been arson version being pushed by the ukranian side. at the same time, the russian ministry of defense has stated that new form made explosive ordinance was found by a observer's military expert and political analyst alexanders depend of joins me now to discuss this further. alexander, let's look at the attack on the separation of nuclear plant. last month everyone was alarmed by what happened. although tensions have decreased but has the threat really diminished? yes. hello everyone. and surely we can see the systematic attacks on laza

burrows. you are like literally a power plant and those salt dice are being provided to during this 2 years. and the front of the beacon area, we use it, solve the representatives and all the head of the international atomic energy agency. i'm the only and i can make all the not only can provide to world wide information, although so thanks but not testifying. who are the main must to mind those, those to are attacks. all 4 were important and the largest one in the year of nuclear power plant. so surely we can understand. so that is my opinion and it's rough, how gross it doesn't do it routine and she can to stop those very dangerous

attacks and those that i so i'm not on the didn't just fall the russian federation need. so bear with vendors for all of europe and come to lunch because we can talk about the possible atomic or incident accident. and surely it's very dangerous to all the people wholly prim this region and not all of them in the city . also not a good job, but the parents all the climate, the band so the wind, those so for example, waste from the waste, the thoughts that under a tax as well of every day. oh, full types of meetings such as drones, l 2 or a multiple launch systems ro taking and not only this plans right now we know that you are and this attached to the cost region as well. of course not clear. our

power plant is now is under the attack of kia fridge and uh, surely, uh, the protection. and so that enter all systems are to control and the situation. but the danger exist and the danger all for terror attacks as well. because according to the test of the wire of for the prison, this over brand new non forces, the main goal of this new asian to the cost region was the terror attack to a course to follow plant nuclear power plant. so we can see that this is systematic and very careful the planned attacks and not to surely by the keeps region about so by the main actors from the net to countries. alexander, the i, a chief says his organization needs to check the ballistics in order to determine

where the shelling of the plan originated. is that the only way to find out who's really responsible i'm just trying to stick in my as i over dimension during all divisions. so until the next layer plans the trend to analyze all the information to make the ballistic gigs and examines. but so we understand that those plans are under the control of russian side, and surely we won't attack by our means, our territory and our nuclear fall infrastructure. so i think that's the will of the international atomic energy is my opinion, use the transfer of speaking federal last and so they can't do anything to show directly who's responsible for those attacks and why steal keeps region can make such type of decisions. do are in this conflict making the decisions to organize so

the to re sticks a tech, to where important world, why it's important. uh, well, just that being protected by the international law, frankly speaking. and surely, i think it's where so discussion on the, on the highest level, white, white, nato, and washington as wells can make such types of plans during this conflict. because we understand that the key is rushing dozens, carrots are into, on such levels of for decision making. speaking of cursed and the training and attacks on the nuclear power plant, they're the ones atomic agency is officially declared that there is not enough proof to say who is responsible for attacking the nuclear power plant. but why would they think that russia would take this action to endanger their own citizens?

surely arizona or it is sad, it's something very strange to not understand who is a real must in mind of law though, so tax and shoulder for russian for duration, according to our internal laws, are those types or for infrastructure or sure. and actually a fall on plans are very protected ones, and we try to organize the system of defense and of so security at the highest level aside stipends for energetic infrastructure. so surely now we protect it, not, not only our interest by then sort of self all european continent, making sure that those attacks. so one and having a success and bad thing about mr. gross it go see by his own eyes, at which level our forces,

that's why and to keep the protections of those unlikely and follow up events. before arriving at separate roadside, rusty visited the key of where he held talks with a lot of our zalinski about the nuclear plant in incurs um what kind of outcome do you think we'll see from, from those discussions. this discussion is useful because uh, as an ascii, uh, is the person that is being under the control. i surely it's like a pop it's. she doesn't make such type of decisions. and the same card human doesn't uncomfortable. he is on armed forces because of the level of the procession of nato should special is in all those uh units and bring gates. we know that they are taking direct participation in all the activities of a crane on forces and activity is all special forces.

so i think that it's only something like public media talk that so won't have any uh, positive result because the gross account to talk with the decision makers that sure. now, sitting in the suitors in all the cabinets and the thing that they are across the atlantic, he can find someone who can really help him. in this situation, the russian atomic energy corporation director has said off the record that raphael grossey does in fact realize the truth and what's going on and who's responsible. i mean, he seems like he's an intelligent man. he's there uh, on the side it does seem reasonable that he would know what's going on. so what's your take on that? why would he, if he knows the truth, why would he not say anything to um, because uh, old institutions, uh, this high level uh, frankly speaking, not being uh on the very uh,

ball full brush and uh, from the washington. first of all, and uh, cheryl and mr. gross is a very intelligent person and she could uh see by his own eyes. so that type of drones, for example, as far as i understand, uh he uh, was just a plan though. so tags you around the visitors up our eyes. yeah. honestly, i plan to do or in previous periods. so she cannot make those decisions and give this information in the public area. because so she is, will, is paralyzed right now to the us. right. but you and atomic agency maintains a mission up is that prefers a site and grossey conducted an observer rotation there today with such close oversight. why is it so difficult to find out who's behind the selling.