we still have some common ground the the bogey models, but in the latest mood, the sensor artsy, washington sections a number of the company's employees over allegations. again of election interference. here's the official reaction from our company. we certainly have a response. actually we have several, but we can decide on one, we even thought of running an office poll. so here they are. one, talk to ha, ha, ha, ha, 3. with the annual eastern economic for i'm into it spend ultimate day in the russian city. but stock president put in spoken of the plenary session. touching upon key issues in domestic and international call is the main business length trade routes. and in general, the entire vector of development are increasingly being reoriented to the east and

the global market found us the possibility of a cease fire deal between israel and come us appears to be slipping away. ortiz fixed at both sides and what it will take to finally make it happen. negotiations and so far seems to lead anywhere from us basically, quite before with the present in the lip, not being in the middle. we found love to our policy for from the to pull this copeland, the life of our introduction, you centered in moscow. this is artsy hello, welcome to the program r t was found in the west 2 years ago, but apparently that hasn't stopped us from middle again, this year is u. s. presidential election dot is according at least to washington's

justice department. it claims russia and specifically earl network is engaged, and this is the income paying to influence the outcome of the trump harvest race ortiz editor in chief as i'm a lou sanctioned by american officials in response, margarita simonian question, how the united states would cope with all or to convenient bogeyman like us. the one thing i don't understand is if they finally kick us out, how would they hold the next election? they have no other scenarios at all except to undermine a competitor. scaring the penguins over his connections with the almighty are t. i'm pleased, of course, but suppose we leave completely then what they will cancel the next election. oh, they will cancel. i can feel it in my heart. or we won't leave that archie correspond to chapel, who's going to be here in the studio to discuss this further shape. when you think of all the issues affecting the united states of america ortiz, potential reach and affecting people, i would submit would not be in the top 10 of

a lot of us citizens. so this is perhaps pretty shocking, but not surprising. so yeah, of course. what, what a huge selection be without the predictable, almost inevitable allegations that russia is in the background, meddling into inquiry. and remember the best predictor of future behavior as possible havior. and if that's the case to everything that the u. s. a ledge. previously in 2016, the molar reports the widens songs, laptop, you know, it wasn't the russians who gave the hunter bite in the crack, cocaine, or you left it in the way those habits. i wouldn't be surprised if the allegation was now sort of peddled because the last time you're very good at this headline back to play very vacuous story. you much like these sanctions. very scant evidence of any in the gallery by the russians here. at various con tablets that you and he was doing anything but journalism out. of course, the predictability of this has to be a live ticket for the people watching at home. we've seen this before. we seen them

attempt to suggest it's russian. that's what you need to do in the mainstream client media in the us as to just to and of to put a bit of doubt into the voters. mike, the evidence doesn't necessarily need to be there. the reason i, i mention shocking is because the so called russia gate hoax. it's not that long ago, but i see very, very little questioning and of what's happening today by legacy media saying, well hold on a moment, the last time we tried this, it didn't quite work. god, it was fine to be full of course. and then of course, you've got the, the reality of how the us metals and elections that just invades the country and overturn the more choice as i've done in venezuela bellows at georgia. so many other countries on the last are actually at funding to, you know, bring rush at the hill under russians working for russian today. the far an agent saxon a is the same kind of law that they are attacking people like georgia over bringing in to find out how much american money is coming into country like georgia like

fellow roost, to find out who's behind these movements for regime here. so a huge amount democracy for the reaction i suppose from our side is interesting. it's a bit humorous. it's a bit tongue in cheek, but there's also a bit of black humor to this, a bit of gallows humor because it's a serious issue that's of a listen in full to what our response was. uh, cnn, on the allegations. dear cnn. we certainly have a response. actually we have several, but we couldn't decide on one. we even thought of running an office poll, so here they are. one. huh. 2, ha, ha, ha, ha. 3 i faxed last night for 2016, called and it once is cliches. back 53 things are certain in life. death, texas, and ortiz interference in the us elections 6. we gotta earn our kremlin paycheck somehow. 7, somewhere. secretary clinton is sad,

but it's not because of her. so, some humor, but it also belies a serious situation here. this impacts the american citizens working with those colleagues, friends, contributors as well. and it is quite cynical because the allegation it leads to open warrants, people being stopped, the home is being searched as well. what else? what is also an interesting about this whole deployment of the american legal system against the free speech against ortiz, is it gives tamala her as a very interesting insurance policy. should she lose the election to us to very quickly be able to refer to this allegation on this investigation that it was the russians because donald trump, the we. and so it's quite seen that it was well, politically you and we've heard what are tea things to that? what about from russia itself? sure, yeah. well, the response has been also a predictable one of dismay that they could even believe that they could get away with alleging that russia was again involved again the no basis in fact,

no basis an actual evidence. it's kind of spurious links between uh, a different individuals that doing journalism and the crime of doing journalism. uh um, the interest of the marie is a how of a it must go, has outlined quite simply what the feeling is here and what's your frustration makes with surprise. and also that there's an element of tragic comedy to this. and he never, it ability that the desperate americans all they have in the bag is to yet again conjure up these demons of russian misinformation with absolutely no evidence. in reality let's, i'm gonna start. as many cars will be the american deep stage and intelligence agencies have always been involved in smearing the russian media, the worked with them on the territory of the united states. everyone knows very well that mr. smith turned up on the doorstep of anyone who works with the russian media, writes blogs, skiffs comment tree. for example, the recent search warrants targeting those. he would just present us on the russian

channels in the united states of america. but in this case, we're talking about such an elaborate information campaign in which the american intelligence services have that hand. and that's why this whole manipulative story really, in my opinion, or the stands out even from the total number of upset, is steps by its shape madness. and on the other hand, by as tragical mach nature. so in essence, the messages, you know, you've seen this movie before, we know how it is. uh, you know, deployed the allegation, muddy the waters, some walk confused. people tried to instill a distrust in our narrative and in our tea for trying to counter an hour to portray the balance discussions. and it's very important that our viewers who are joining in every day are very low. every smart, they're very and she would have people that they continue to do that, continue to see, get at ortiz rumble on x and whatever platform you need. because we're gonna keep telling the truth. we're not backing down, we're not gonna, we're not going anywhere. you are to correspond to shape always taking us through

developments like sure. well the us justice department kept insisting during its declaration about the legal actions against r t that americans just to power a free she is a law for point there americans. well, there are just to pro, to influence by russian media. for years, the russian government has used r t to see an amplify their propaganda narratives around the world. russia remains a predominant foreign threat to our elections. the government of russia continued to use r t to direct this information and propaganda. r t has used people living and working inside the us to facilitate contracts with american media figures to create and disseminate russian propaganda. here the justice department says americans are under our influence. now. do you feel influence that we succeeded in our goal?

wait a 2nd. i didn't know. i know i was being influenced to you. you're telling me that over the past 7 years, i worked at this company that you've been all influencing me. this is unbelievable . now i've kept of course, i'm just kidding. in all seriousness, i mean these allegations against russia, from the justice department have to be some of the most absurd ones that we've seen throughout all of the allegations that they've given. i mean that moscow is really coming elections, and these are accusations that we've seen time and time again. uh, often around previous selections, like charlotte mentioned earlier in the program around 2016. like in 2018, and now we're seeing the same thing. and every time we see these charges, it's against russians who are not located in the united states. and it will likely never, uh, go to court over this stuff. right. and it's convenient enough for the united states that they'll never have to actually prove these allegations in a court of law based on the people they're actually going after and trying to

charge. and then other thing it goes to show is just that this really is not about the so called russian, this information like the authorities are, are saying really this has to do with the fact that most of the media, most of the media in the united states i'm talking about the mainstream media, of course, is completely controlled by the american political establishment. and archie is one of the very few media sources where you can get alternative information that actually give some sort of or alternative perspective. there are very few of them and archie probably has to be, i would say one of the most popular. we saw an example of that last week when met a c, e o. mark zuckerberg admitted that the biden administration had pressured him to censor and suppress stories connected to cobit 19 back in 2020. anyone further to say that the government actually told him to suppress a story connected to the hunter binding corruption scandal, which ended up being not connected to russian, this information at all. so this sort of independent position that our

t has is something that's very dangerous for america's leads and very good for anyone who was looking to think outside the box. gail was a good day when esteban creone used to ask editor swift, ager oriented new side the cradle joins us. esteban, you're most welcome and we cut off perhaps had this conversation in 2016. i wouldn't have to change much around here. do you see much difference in what's coming out of washington in 20? $24.00? it a lot. oh this is a a rebates. this is just another piece of uh, you know, i've said this before. busy speaking to. ready do you guys that i, it really seems there's a lack of pre at the one on a day at this that they west government. right. just keep repeating the same screen over and over again. and, um we, we really like they talk about a 4 inch. they talked about rocks don't in the next, just remember

a couple of months ago and has made it into you as it makes it easy, was microsoft that came out and said, there's a huge amount of domain that is trying to, you know, a on the american democracy and so on and so forth. the questions to ask for these and visuals. what about each row? but i'm on a back. right. this is the biggest, the biggest organization representing a board in boulder in the middle and us elections, year after year election after election spending tens of millions of dollars to progress people open the by the way to giving our, you know, our little predicting israel that's, that's not trying to get uh they, they, they do is it makes the other way everything but no, no, no, he's the russians. these are the, is our platforms like the next day or the creative right. we, we got a few weeks ago. why? because we, as is, as we were saying every minute ago, we applied to

a different perspective on the world side. mucho's. we are not state of pharmacist and all of their 1st we do not repeat was i'm not to be there. and jake's only got it on the bank and then all of them come out and say, you know, with a straight face, and then we just see me retrieve that with no questions asked. no, we asked a question, we point the camera somewhere else. we show the reality of the world that has completely gone out of the hands of, of the width of the american government. right. and this is why they targeted targeted targeted rate. the rate is readers now. they are about a month ago they arrested reach our met her is that i see we have readings, journalists in the us, right. which is also happening in europe. they are risk, etc. roku saw a friend all this time. you memorize active is why because she was sharing information about what's happening in ga side, so and so forth. so it's, it's just, you're in another phase of the standard procedure i can present age in a well,

just like the heavy sense of our critic. mm. it very interesting points, but also can i put it to you that oh okay. if there's absolutely false information lives that are put out there, it's up to nation states to, to stop that going to their citizens. absolutely. if there's something on x, take it off. if it is false, but this is more than likely something alternative, a different point of view, something that perhaps is not being seen in the legacy, legacy media. so it is us democracy just so fragile that a top tier, these opposing views is apparently right. this is what they're going, was by sanctioning your love is by right by, by using their monitoring to see as on where they're on my system as a weapon. just assignments, other, other people need it. this is for the right that the us democracy easily exceeding

the size. uh and, you know, in my opinion, you as democracies, really just a offer be something that uh, maybe exist that they can send over the, over the past few days. it'd be be less than self administered establishment. and for him, hey, in organizations and organizations working in the for more of a such as a back to that democracy. right. see right of your and making 2 candidates with sensitive rivers in the same thing is when it comes to foreign policy, internal policies, maybe there are some differences, but it still happens. it goes on in the, you know, what about what the pin goes everywhere else. i've been a what the us us every grows a who they're equally as companions as friends, branding uh for all american from around. but just a few weeks ago or uh, or the crate of these days. there was a big motor on either right, on the dating up there was a commission by saying call by the us central. essentially the young man do not

think arms. i guess those are the stuff in the middle name as well. is that still trying to be the ok? just a slight connection issue there. we'll try and get us them on back. but we, we were just listening to his point of view on the for g. let's see of that us and marcus. see, it appears at with, at this latest move against r t. and he was also saying his cradle at new sites as well feeling at the pressure . but to as esteban, i'm sure would say himself, he is not barking done either from giving the truth that has to bind creone from the cradle new side. okay, we also heard just a little bit earlier from former, so don't forget, in parliamentary, in the co c, money della who is running some of the nation's 1st president. he said he's washington is going all liked the silence artsy and the stories we cover of

the size the the fitness to cover this is a particular type of machines.

this is essential and subject our country and co c. mon dell, it well, let's go to south africa and durban and speak to german language funder, an editor of the behind the news network. joe is always good to see you at the accusations against r t. i'm sure you we call 2016. we've spoken about it. before but do you think people, the us public are going to buy into russian gay 2 point. oh,

i think it was easy. i then saw people to be what the american government was doing in terms of trying to push out of the of their products. but now people, because of the technology that they bring to the table themselves, people have found that the majority of the things that that would be told about a t, a tentative view, is bringing things that are not comfortable in, in, in ensuring of the, to their property, but we must also remember that the majority of american media are influenced by either that or republicans. so it's a 2 way kind of and uses the then it comes out of the stroup states in the he, it's just costing things. putting things out there is

a cost for them is as i left to right. so there's no in between. so all this things that got time to come up with now kinds of silence of deep that's do want to make sure that the new coverage, the world must not know exactly what is happening in america. the mentally are these kinds of things that they're coming up with is because the systems not flexible enough either. you either probably can or democrats, you see the fox news issue, just get him on that. the do is to push the on the agenda. but if somebody is coming with an alternative, it becomes a permanent learning. mazda did say that they put pressure on you just silence. that's in things and allow set them things to you, sir. so not son of a go my hook up. it was also completely that the sense that in the sense that she's in the united states of america, it's shocking. and this is the same concert that was around and said, no, they've jumped really democracy, decent that it's,

it's part of the system that the other contributes up to them. i'd see the former a spots. there wasn't an indian, but i see it in front of everyone simply because it's good sizes are, you know, so they want to silent and we do that. but the bt is going to do with the russian. it was, according to the, with the rush. how would be non existant they don't side, but on me is to throw everything in in, in every corner to match so that on people anything to do with pressure does not exist. oh, i'm not surprised with this kind of behavior. yeah. one interesting point just to put to cnn, actually give r t just 3 minutes to respond to their a piece app before the american light. they publish the report they did all the dates and the article after a response was eventually released given what happened. but what do you think that the cnn is actually interested in presenting both sides of the story as any good

journalist, big network shut. i mean, uh, what, what do you expect from, uh that the, the television time is dark. it's definitely 20000. do us. you know, when the gloves in was the biggest, now they have to suck up to their own government to make sure that i show, we're not going to get at the time to respond. find one best. so you, i mean me, that is, what do we do minutes? it's one of the calculated. so send it to is the last to go for die last, this does it on is that is left, that's it. and it's people watching from the airports. nobody watch cnn from home. so if there's not enough for i p last it and not to even give them an opportunity to, but nobody watches the. so the what do you did do a lot so to speak. we have seen was given me previously when the did with the

indians. don't come from one side of the argument because when they use a done offline, then the government just quoted you going to be called in washington. authentic. when you go ahead and explain why did you seem to be cited with that i. so we saw what happened with a talk, a customer. so they'll never be anybody from russia fit at time to be quoted as well. also to say it is interesting as well, the tamela har, his honeymoon period, seems to be over an hour after the, you know, the momentum. perhaps she got after take over from joe biden. i know we've got this joe, 2 months from the us presidential election. it's hard to not to look at some kind of sink for no city in this. it was the a behavior from, from americans. because now there was a big hype. the come,

i know we took over from joe, as he does know position, you know? and because of their lives, that's what told him before that that i shot influenced the elections. what time do we live? i only just discovered that it was only like this guys don't get tied up. they come in bigger gate to create a different story. so when it comes to the democratic pastor didn't ever get tired, they're not even shy to create lies to create and you see why, because they know that i'm gonna have tons of people that they've done done for the long time. they don't have much to say because they've got a b o, b, or 8. that's why they've created that. but they don't understand that the social media has given people platform um to go to the platform to see things from a different view. so now you will was color harris,

you start to blow or commit to come. somebody would pick up. and that's when a j there would come pick us up. all right? yeah. is getting involved, but guess it was getting, it won't be on it. let's use that on the way these been. now they don't even have enough minutes. i'll pass on that to sound good. your own goodness, getting started playing around us because on the on. so just the one that was what was the highest so on the lives of those is that those say that and he's trying to influence that time to get fixed before i head to say, oh, no problem. i loved the book really because it says involve the chinese inbox there we never take responsibility for anything. yeah, this is the most fun in, but i see nikki yvonne is presented to democrat, very embarrassing people is not to be shot don't from what it is, because everything at any given time, everyone has expense except for them. so what you'll see now is

a milton speech. this is what they don't, they have nothing else before the big one, the other done. well, you go around and talk to everyone and it is very, it was it's, but yeah, very, it's very interesting. just a point on what you made about mark zuckerberg. he was for a large part, the democrats darling and, and then he came, i and almost he told me the truth, but to them, perhaps they thought he stopped us in the box. he told the truth by what happened. pressure was put on him a, but i bought the hunter by his laptop. i bought the reaction, the cobit 9 thing. so i put to you joe, that perhaps the us justice department should perhaps the closer to home to it's a point towards those meddling in the us selection that they done in the popular ones. they don't know the word quote, info spreadsheet. they're not going to look inside the as for months they'll come

back at some point. he, he was a gauge people for the, for the information. but because these, the things that you should not have said as present when it comes to, i guess, the democratic parts. now, because if you go, i gaze as you speak to to, that does not seem to fade, but the democrats know, they probably k o u. s. by all funded by russia or china. so it's, it's did tell are, sorry to the why you are you just finally, are you, are your colleagues are free of the but i, but speaking about it, but the reaction that you might be able to travel to the us or whatever has this made an impact on you at all, you know, is this the did i was told that i should not set foot in the western countries because i order to speak against them. so when it comes to america, i said, well, there's nothing better for me. i'm really pleased to if i need to see them, don't come, i did get

a few minutes of messages in the past saying that i should not even bother because all the time when i speak the words that were used, i base them. so if, if i was the guy that was why the outside did as an impact. mm. do you see that 0 impact us? what exactly is the future? so i'm better off yet if need be. i'll go to that asher. jo, we'd love to have you here in the studio as well. i'm sure that will happen one day . i have a good face to face conversation for now. i thanks so much for coming on the program. begin speaking to joe, milan got finder, and editor of behind the news network was always good to see if the commenting on the targeting will be heard a bit on that. but that's also come from.