to turn off, the house is good for me to come to use the best thing to go home in the company. well, they send them off to come pick them into georgia. i'm not to give us less than half economy. that's the time i had. the biggest thing for them was there's a so much of the reserves in countries medic, i'm did you ever talk about the conferences and i was wondering if jim presenting for the 200 on this and i'm going to go what 40 percent you listen to this is just 60 percent. huge for investment, it means i don't want to do it. if i start to connect to be so try, let's go up to that. so we do, cindy, that thing to do is the investigation mastic. all right, that's a look at the news for now. as always, be sure to visit our website, r t dot com for all the very latest breaking news and updates by the

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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to the cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter live else. it's a growing trend free speech around the world is under a solve the powers that be claimed. truth can only be found to moderation. the rest of us just the man, the right to the set, the cross talking free speech, i'm joined by my guess. lionel in new york is illegal in media analysts in colorado, we have natalie morris. she is host of the redacted podcast and it'd be really be cross to s events. carrillo is news desk editor for the cradle. alright. crosstalk rules and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate why don't let me

go to you 1st here. i me so much is happening and around the issue of free speech, we have everything the surrounding around you on mosque. in brazil, we have follow up pop up. i'll probably do it off in the paris. it is the rest. it is the ceo of kilogram. and then multiple individuals being arrested and interrogated for their view. sometimes their homes are being searched, the documents being confiscated, the under the very thin veneer of the law, which i want to talk to you about later. but ultimately, i'd like to ask all 3 of our guests on this program today. is it traditionally then? i know it varies from country to country. that freedom of speech is a right not a privilege when it seems to be inverted. now, it's a privilege to be able to speak your mind in public and not right. go ahead lydell . you know, you know, peter, i've always been use and many of us have been use of the fact that speech and one

form or another, whether it's music or from our generation, from music to, to music and lyrics to, to tv shows. there's always been somebody saying, you can do that, that's wrong. that's feel the, that's the harmful in some respects. but that was about it. you know, people would say that then we thought this is awful. what i'm finding so fast. the need to is not so much that people are not allowed to speak, but it is sam handed, physical brute force pulled out of your house, passports, grad, you're under arrest. if you had told me a couple of years ago that you would have had people arrested on rach this for posting on shows, show media, think about that ops him or on social media. not threats, not, not a problem is to, to conduct violets, but merely to present an observation or an idea that was considered in, you know, an inconsistent was something i would have thought. you're out of your mind that

will never happen. and look at this now. yeah, natalie, the richard, robert reich's, the former is the labor secretary, how to operate in the guardian, and it's really gotten a lot of pressing in for good reason. he essentially says the deal on must goes out of control. i'm not sure how to interpret that. i mean, he isn't control of twitter, but in the whole issue of control was really at the center of this who should have the control and in his article, which eco so many people in the liberal ecosphere is that moderation should be controlled by except for us somebody else has to moderate us. okay. i'm not really sure what that means except for it sounds cooler. so go ahead, natalie. as well, right? but it's a, a parent plea for what they want to control when anybody who can't control the populace wants to control through the platforms. now we see the history of media

and media control was quite easy in the eighty's and ninety's when there were just a few news channels that were compliant as a mouth piece of the state. what they didn't plan for was that the internet would take that power away from them, allow us to question the narrative, and now they cannot control it any longer. so in this piece, which i think is just petulant and also shameful. he doesn't say what farm there is from free speech, other than the fact that it may be promoting trump, which he clearly doesn't like. but what is the rest of the harm calling somebody a certain name, calling somebody something you don't like it. and also we've seen sucker burg apologize, your sensors and so she even himself said it hind sight. i would not have done this . i find that a really unacceptable explanation of what he should have known there should not have required hind sight to know that quest scanning

a narrative is acceptable in any form or fashion, whether it be decoded vaccine, whether it be hunter by these laptops, any questions should be acceptable and now the fact that we're trying to censor, even questioning of narrative is terrifying. and in a, again, you know, going back to the rights piece here, i mean, is a, goes off and say people should be arrested. well, and that's not the rule of law. i mean, what is the case you're making? and they can't do that. and that, and that's what really frightening us about, you know, oh, this is all accelerated in my mind. it least considering what's going on the jet aside that's going on and gaza. this is what is terrified. so many people, the powers that be because of different narrative is out there and that narrative is dominant all around the world. i would even even go as far as saying it's very powerful, at least in the west, is dominant around the rest of the world. and they are terrified, but this particular narrative, which they have coveted for decades now,

is way out of their control. and this is we're seeing and knock on effect. they can use this example. if you claim there's a genocide going on, they just extrapolate to everything else, the bite hunter by the lab, top code bit, etc, etc. but this is the, the center piece that there are so terrified of getting rid of tech talk in the united states because of bad reason. go ahead, doesn't buy it. you know, 100 percent. do you mind? i think i've got beyond that, just getting a tipping point. it cost and we don't pounds a sound, you know, way it's by this situation now. now that was a spark of 7, a color because there was a, you know, a throw at the forefront. but then they, they, they collected, was immediately lost the controller, pinero, maybe it was, it was a fight, proceed in all honesty was something that up and we didn't see happen when would be praying or how it started. we didn't see happen, obviously be $49.00, but then you're the worst of the battery states. that's the old goss. i became a complete beeping falling to the point. as you were saying that you are, they are driving people out of their houses. there are resting people out of airports. they are you just for our social media post, which is, you know,

beyond the, beyond anything we could out imagine just a few years ago, but not least someone practice age says show of how much they're using. does all righty how's that affect the western powers in particular because the situation of, of the policy is you particular, it was not unknown was not, you know, something that was new really to anyone who was paying attention in particular was saying the most out there going to suck we, we, we, we had a, uh, an understanding what the reality was. but then when you, when the west, sorry to say these things be i could send those at one point you were supposed to, you know, and you've already been democratizing formation. yeah. used to be, i think that would be i use, they're going to be or whatever. and that's where he the, the account that was started right. to the point that i, we, i think right off the weeks ago, we were banned from made up for our lives in use of forwarding fairly. so we got a sense shows when in reality, water and we were doing what's building the reality of what's happening on the ground. well, s about and one of your colleagues at the cradle said to me before we went on

vacation, this program is that the, the only adults in the rooms are coming from the global south. i'll put that, you know, if i don't. yeah. i, i think that's something we can talk about in another time, you know, line or it's all been mentioned in this program here. i mean, why all the show for so why do you need a swat team to show up and, you know, and just say, what are you doing on social media? i mean, can you just say, can you, can you uh, how big can that you can send you a message and say, can you come and meet us us tomorrow morning at 11 o'clock at your convenience? i mean, because just to said, no violence has been made and no, it didn't. there's no threat to violence going on. i mean, i mean what, why the show a force. oh, well, because he did the light on the 1st. um, when i know everybody wants to talk to you about narrative. yeah. hang on, hang on every natalie, let me go to the line. well 1st and then i'll go to you, but headlines, or was he? oh pete, my my, you know, the gentleman friend stood up in, in an in law school. those of us who worked, study always heard that before. the government can do something that had to be a clear and present danger. and c, g, i was always

a compelling governmental interest. it was the highest thing you want to do, somebody to oppose an imminent threat of something that your, it's not an idea, not an id ation. not a whole nother wish and a desire, but you're going to do something to bind to destroy and, and that was wrong, or you were defaming somebody. that was easy. if i had to go back and tell curly law students my favorite mis information, this information dad information, these all hate anti semitism, i have to wait a minute. what this isn't like the, i'm so naive. ok, fine. are you saying that that saying something that not is a decent medic but that you consider to be in the submitted that you can shut me down and they look at you and they say yes. and to answer your question, peter, the reason why it's so ham fisted and brute force is to make your way a to condition to make people realize, well,

that's the way it is. this is this new brave new world we live in, and it's to, to acclimate us to have visual aid us so that we're used to it. we can get americans and people around the world to stand in line to wear a mask, to be poked in job a to completely distrust did that inner sense of right and wrong jumbo originally the human race has a band, but that thing charity will keep us safe, okay, natalie interrupted, you go ahead. oh, i was just saying that all of this use the forest is having the chilling effect for those of us who want to ask questions, who want to leave a safer and free our world for our children? is that we feel afraid? will they come to our house next? have i said something in the fall of the narrative? and it is working clearly because those of us who are independent journalists have to ask ourselves these questions and how safe each thing is. and how do i frame this in a way that i don't get kicked off the platform that are controlled by the government narrative? i mean, you know, it makes us do

a dance to make sure that we can at least ask the questions. and it's a conversation with our audience now, like i'm asking this question, do you know what i'm saying? and we're inferring that we're afraid to say yes. i mean, i've experienced i, i remember when cobra did started here in there and all, all of the censorship that was going on facebook and i was, i think, was daniel nick adams. good friend of the program here. and we ended up speaking in word solve it, and at the end of it, we just like, why are we doing this, or are we so afraid? and then we'd stop doing it. and there was no penalty, but you are right. doing it was it was upfront you, did you have to censor yourself, festive? i mean, do you want to jump in before we go to the break, go ahead and barrow. you know, i think i agree with because something that a scholarly but i see it from a heart. right. and like i, i still like very soft i benefits to being outside of missions that are doing this persecution. and this is why it's going from i to just why they the sanction rp just yesterday,

the us treasury because they know that they kind of go and break down the house and they, they, they kind of call them breakdown or going through. i have to create all the kind of go on, break down the door of our goal. they can do these that make them look like the size of the cost of the inside has been fun for the people into your wife's box. it for you? yeah, well what do i, as i put it on, as i put it on um, on x i said this is the 3rd season of russia gauge. remarkably, it's been brought back. that was low readership viewership, but they brought it back. i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on free speech space with our to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once

a better wills. i mean it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome make across stock where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt, your manager, we're discussing free speech. the . okay, let's go back to line or new york, and we, we all mentioned during the course of this program, the word narrative. there were many narratives. there are conflicting narratives that are opposing narrative, but narratives are made up of words. okay, so let's play

a game here. or it least may be explained to me. what is missing information, this information, and now information mean to you lydel, because it's invoked all of the time, but it's like never defined. and hardly ever an example is presented to us. so take your pick, you got 3 words, choose one. okay, let me go back to what i say used to be the narrative of our jurisprudence and for the most part around the world, i had the burden. if i were to sell you something, for example, if i were to to tell you that, let's say hey kids drinking broken glass is good for you or something where you get the whole, the stop stop. it's kind of self explanatory. also, somebody who claim that you are doing something had the burden of proving it, adding to the narrative now, which is the most fascinating compared to what i remember was that you have now the

government that says there's no state action here. i'm not telling you, and i'm not telling you wonderful people what you can, you can take the jacks. it's shorter, it's, it's, it's some server, it's facebook. we're not doing that course mark. dr. burke admitted that he is being used as a proxy as an accomplice. so the government is using these platforms that have addicted people to this think all communication and the expression of ideas. imagine that how, how wonderfully addictive where we're used to that as they do the dirty work, the government has clean heads. we never told you to do that on until the twitter, mammals came out. and dr. burke, that's the latest. that's the angle. it says go the government to say you provide them this information, by the way, don't look at us. look at your particular platform. yeah. well now, natalie, i mean they, the, most of what the authorities claim is misinformation and this information comes

from them. it doesn't get right. it covers were commenting on it and we're questioning it. and that's why i that gets us all in all kinds of trouble because we question their misinformation and this information and now it's being criminalized. go ahead. right, well here's my favorite example. last year, the european commission commission to study for where misinformation was most prevalent and they found it and they defined it in a very mysterious way, such as things about coal bed, which end up being true. i think it's about gender, which end up being true. so they had all of these parameters under which they were measuring this information, and they said they found it in spain and france and these communities, and it's right on twitter over facebook versus tip top, whatever they say it's worse on twitter. so they took it to the press and the press ram, a headline, same russian. this information is prevalent on twitter over other prize. and when you read the study, the study did not try to identify where this,

this information came from at all. the european commissions bonnets in order to get this narrative out. so they use the study about misinformation a spurious study. they used to study about misinformation, to perpetuate misinformation. the study said nothing about russia, that's what they wanted. so usually when you see misinformation, it's a canary and a coal mine for a narrative. they want to control. and if we pull the thread which i have made my job to pull the thread, then we usually find a lie behind it. guy that's a lie and it's infuriating and that's why i refuse to use this word because information is information, it's up to us to digest it and decide if it's true or not the that's the whole point there is that, i mean the way i was brought up, i guess, lionel and i already in the older part of the group here is made, you know, it was good information if there's bad information or bad opinions have good information and good opinions, you know,

drowned it out. that's the way it used to work. and it kind of work pretty well as to by you know, the, i gave 3 words at the top above the 2nd part of this program. let's talk about mile information. because i think that's the most pernicious because that's in admission that the in foundation itself may be true, but the way it is use it is in vote, it is spread is not. and again, this goes back to what's going on in gaza on the west bank there. yes, there is a slaughter going on. but it, you know, it don't put it in the present case, put it in the passive voice, and that'll be acceptable as information they, they, they're trying to scramble everyone's minds here. but my law eyes do not lie to me . i can pick up this phone right now in stream to you. what's going on there right now, and they are not lies. it is completely on filtered. go ahead. exactly. exactly. you know, like the definition of mount information, this new, wherever the really just boils down to, i mean,

you can be true something that is true, but it's simply inconvenient for political means to whom 5 to those in control. so that's why i used to controlling the now i think so why like an example of values used to be israel as bombing a hoss. these are always bombing. are you in college like a or just look at any head mind from a different broder is from the new york times talking about with bad stuff out of city as if you were to read this, you would assume these people are just dropping dead. i don't know, you know, they're just killed by now. go use it as i guess body they never name is for all a f o is they? they go out of their way. and i think this is a bit of a negative example amount information. i mean, like i know i said it's a whole lot of it. i'm be like we cannot say the truth because it's inconvenient because the boss and feet then our everything we've already lost and some, but not ready for such a large extent. but we kind of confused a few of us and when we can do now is you start far getting anyone and everyone who's getting any traction in speaking the children showing reality, right? any. so if you don't question, i bet it's inconvenient for them,

but i wouldn't call it that is convenient for everyone else as far as you mind any for all of us to know what's really happening into now closing, controlling to know in particular, in the case of casa, always sending the wetlands almost on a daily basis. but on the, the drop of the heads of, i'm assuming children, you know that lionel in do you remember the case of alex jones when he was disappeared, pointless deleted and, and, you know, and, and, you know, those of us that were watching, i'm not a fan of the gentleman. okay. but he has the right to speak. okay. it and no one forces people to listen to him. all right? oh okay. he's been, i've been brought back, but it seems to me what's going on with telegram with what's going on with a twitter or x, whatever you prefer to call it. these are, these are seen as outliers, but i think they want to show it is an example and maybe making the trend ok. i could for see were social media has to be completely either gotten rid of or

completely timed. i don't see a middle ground here, go ahead while the 12, the courts have to 1st of all remove it from the notion that it is somehow there's completely totally private saying that nobody can tell it is it is regulated. i mean, the power company is not caught reg private. we think of a couple of a couple of historical references. you remember peter years ago, the owner of his quote book. this is a night you somebody wanted to bring board the book. they showed you how to make bomb. yep. how to kill people, how to make silencers, employees ins. and they said, well, that's in from asian talked about mallon formation to show you how bad it was. recently a lunch friedman was talking to and this is where you just need to donald trump and everybody was saying all how great that was. even much freedom. it was talking about the idea that perhaps maybe to have some kind of weird sped hallucinogenic of fluke that donald trump may have thought that maybe the 2020 election might have been either stolen or tampered with it. because he didn't want to be called an electron deny, or, and one side of labels,

something conspiracy theorist or is gorb analysis. it gets bears the analyst. but once i give you a name and you said, well i knew what that is your soul careful. because once i get that space information, that's that information. yes, it is. it's our duty to challenge it. but all of a sudden look what they try to do one time to joe rogan telling me that he was using a horse the warmer when he set in. by the way, there's a lawsuit on that. so the thing is, if he said this, it led to show me actually said yes, i use orange the warmer turned it off. you're going to shut down the platform. you go to this, peter, in the old days, if i called you up and they did not seem full go, nobody shut the phone company down. nobody shut the post office down because i mailed you lubbock for going after the platform source of the information without even questioning whether it's true or even harm. tiben natalie is a, isn't really the canary. and in the, in the mine shaft here, i mean, you've already brought up on donald trump. you've already brought up, or i,

she gave me these are just the pegs that they hang their hat on. i mean, this is a way to, to try forward the censorship here. they use these 2 issues as a reason. essentially they just want censorship and they want control and they use these other, these ridiculous reasons to go shut people down because i think it's much bigger than just trump or russia or, or is we? i think it's that it's the whole ball of wax. go ahead, natalie. for sure it is. and there are a couple of ways that we are manipulated to buy into this number one. as lionel said, as we don't want to be call these names, we don't want to be called trans phobic or a term for an anti back ser, or any uprooting a biologist. these are all things that i've been called before, and you do, you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, that shuts down the conversation. let's not use these names. but the names are a trump card for lack of a better term. another way that we're manipulative is we're told that hate speech

is something we cannot handle. we cannot hurt other people's feelings. other people can not a, by having their feelings hurt. we're too sensitive for this. and the real world harm is that somebody might harm themselves because we are a sensitive populace. so if we buy into these 2 things, number one, name calling to shut down conversation at number 2. avoiding discomfort, we play into the ability to shut down narratives, and this is something that scares me is for all of us to buy into this, a liberal tenant that you can't hurt feelings. people can't take it these certain groups. it's also very incentivizing to the career that are, i mean if, if i want to be near you, so groups, you can't hurt their feelings because they can't take it. well. what does that say about those people that we don't respect certain people strange? i read, i read the new york times because i have to is part of my job. yeah. i,

i do i have thoughts of suicide because i think of the ridiculous of certain is no, of course a lot. i'm an adult. i will, can i, i know how to process the news. you were almost out of time. as about, as i said in the beginning, in my introduction, we all just want the right to descend. that's going to be a rare privilege moving forward to do to defend 100 percent, 100 percent that we have the center is going to be to be up against the law suit and off. it just doesn't matter. i'll respond. you know, in a way i'd be deduced the, this control that is being exterminated over what time the center was. i'm august, said to thinking back to like our volks being were reach along the lines like on, like all literally carries just being re, drafted, read, read, that will say the new or the new uh items. i get the new narrative, which i've been staring the situation when you're really, when you really think about everything, obviously is not just the law, silence in percent or dissenters basis of our hobby, and people in march, uh, a knock said towards a future in which a freedom of a speech is typically,

you know, as nope and just like anything else. yeah. well, what they, they're building it, they're building a dystopian and they just are the ordering everyone to find their place and that, and i, i'm sure i can speak for everyone on the program. i refuse, i simply refuse. that's all the time we have a one effect, my guess in new york, in colorado and in bay roads. and of course on what i think our viewers are watching us here at ortiz. so you next time. remember, ross doubles the oh, can you me altogether? we were all supposed to come together. i did this after shot after shot the deer it was

asking, where's tory, where's course? to hear them say d o a. so we knew he was gone. my name's kamani carter, and i'm fairly certain the life students for gang related job i to have a 9 years. my victim was in a she was also a student who is attending college. his name's quite a bit. very young kids seems we're getting involved in rendez file is 20 to 30 years ago. i think there's no question that the kitchen cripps from the la came up here and seated this area. almost williams was either in prison. now, forever for day the,

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