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is they do the activities of political circles similarly to how it was in the late sixty's when african americans actively fought for their rights against segregation in the united states. they evidently see politicians as a threat because unlike in russia, the law on foreign agents, the foreign agents registration act from the late 19th thirty's, is not being de criminalized. this leads to criminal prosecution and real present time for the, for american citizens. it can be up to 15 years for foreign citizens up to 5 years of imprisonment. and yet they began to actively apply this little against the political opponents starting in 2016 with us. and if we examine similar indictments, we can see that they mainly involve by the citizens of china or to a lesser extent, citizens of the russian federation. as a result, they are also now using this tool very actively to profile people within the united states. and many russians live there, and many people sympathized with opposition to lots of fact,
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especially regarding ukraine. this position has divided society that so if it's not the case that everyone is going out on the street today shouting, let support. so lensky and the key of regime? no, it's absolutely not like that. there are people who essentially support top views. it's not that they support booting and russia. they exclusively support opposition because they know what you create is all about us and they understand how nato expanded, and they are aware of the political agenda in eastern europe. and for them, this political and let's say criminal retreat within the foreign law has been made to put it simply if tomorrow you push a pro russian agenda into the masses, which they consider to be pro russian again as they define it, we do not know, but they consider it pro russian, then you'll be subject to a search and trial. that's way the stories with names and scope rate to have come from the list. i think this won't be the last case. there was still permanent public figures involved. in summary, can be said that last year,
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which has been happening for a year, if i'm not mistaken, 50 years, many american activates on, especially from the anti war movement. and the left is still organizations who have gone to the made demonstration in cuba for, for this phenomenon has be normal for half a century. so last year, a large delegation of over $100.00 people was met at various airports in the united states, off the flying from cuba. and they were collectively intimidated by the foreign agents low having their phones, gadgets, in any information carriers confiscated. essentially, the us has introduced a kind of dictate to ship up know and order against political and social forces and censorship against journalists because i mean the, but what about this famous american freedom of speech? and where is the line then? is this of the apostles or though i mean you still still used to this question must be directed to the department of justice. because these cases are compiled, developed and initiated against various activists in consortium with the f
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b i. and one can only guess why they are conducting this with chunk. however, we understand that the recent elections, especially with bite and has dropped out of the presidential race, show that the extreme liberals and martin de niro trotskyites, representing the democratic party and its current form, understand they can protect their interests only through fire and source. because trump is seriously change the landscape toward conservative views and the republican policy, he is trying to complete the change the relationships with nato and the european union, including on the lines of intelligence and military age and more to the infamous ukraine. therefore, the democrats of trying to cling to power as much as possible. naturally, it's very important for them to eliminate all the so called destructive elements that hinder them from doing this within the united states. hence, the notorious witch hunt is on the way for them. well described that, that just the cause based on what you just said and considering what we saw during trumps trial. do you think there will be a fair decision?
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you know, meaning if it gets put into officially and yours, you know, we're not expecting any fed decisions. i spoke with the lawyers of a molly, jesse neville and penny has firstly, the indictment itself is on just if we read it, we would just laugh out loud. because it consists of 2 so called fact lines. the 1st line is propaganda. what newsweek allegedly wrote about me is putins propaganda . meaning that if we say the special operation was properly planned and that avoiding it was impossible, that's already considered pollutants propaganda. for some reason, they decided that they should be punished by american law. this is criminalizing a political position. plus, we worked together on facebook as part of our international group, which has existed since 2015 on a document regarding reparations, and made an appeal to the un or yet, well, if they somehow considered that if someone talks about the infringement of the legal rights and interests of african americans in the us that to constitutes
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criminalization of the process. but the tell me i need to go get us to yucca, where yes, they claim that there is some correspondence between you and someone from the russian special services the, the that you saw to yes. and yes. and accordingly, names of people, i don't know. a mentioned which is the most interesting part of the content of the correspondence. even what they've published does not suggest that someone gives me a come on your instruction. it's obvious that the same person wouldn't discuss such things on whatsapp or anywhere else. yet they seem to think that this is an instruction for me to take some actions which i allegedly transmitted. again, with the translation they provided on the content that was in english. it's impossible to correlate to our actions with what is written that if you call and say that someone gave me clear instructions, let's say to take this candidate to accompany him and develop some political project with him. and that's not that there's some discussion that maybe it's correspondence partially with my assistant, maybe with someone else. i can't find out because i still have the same phone. i
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haven't changed my number. and consequently, i have nothing to hide. this just proves, once again, the united states as thoughts, facts at the level of an attorney general. as far as i understand, they also latched onto the fact that you bought someone a ticket to moscow. let's say i need food in the middle of a boiler. they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on also include opposition, creating media and destructive extremely structures and so on. if i bought someone a ticket to moscow and someone bought me a ticket to moscow, it doesn't mean that we are in a political criminal conspiracy. that's just complete nonsense. i've also been invited to many serious conferences. yes. the host country covered tickets, meals and accommodation, for example, in germany or europe in general. i was invited speaker at the polytechnic university of midland and they compet housing as well. so now am i supposed to become a foreign agent initially? all the people who invited me the, including the university rector, should he become a foreign agent or end up in prison? you understand?
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that's absurd. yeah, that's that to the put across. and by the way, this is a great way if they want to for example, remove some congressman, right? just tell someone to buy a ticket for this congressman to some unfriendly country, right. and they can use this methodology in the future. as i say on you, which is totally sure about the, you know, their propaganda works very strangely. i don't know who it same dots. apparently they're of use somewhere. it's cnn or m s. nbc, who still believe this? so you open twitter and see alexander, ion of created the who, who re movement. alexandra, i own off created the texas national movement. and so on down the list. these movements were created at the time when i was not even in this world. they would not even in the project, amalia, she taylor received his 1st sentence back in the late 19 sixty's during the time of the black panthers movement. when people were fighting for their rights. he entered the city hall and toiled down a racist post. for this, he was placed in a correctional institution. that was his 1st trial. this is the struggle. it is his
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political position, and it is protected by the constitution. yet somehow, this has been forgotten in america again, the most important thing that i always pay attention to in dialogues with the west and pricing here. while discussing this indictment is that we all know certainly working. we do who route we are working with over 40 movements, some a smaller, some a larger. there are movements much bigger than new hulu. but as we can see, there are no criminal cases initiated against the no one rights anything about them . they took one small block of work and started unraveling it. so why did they should continue with in organizations? which would create a huge problem within the united states when old movements take to the streets and unite against the justice department? apparently they fear this. all they take individual episodes and somehow twisted them into the model. they have created into that mechanism that but again, the actions taken by representatives of various organizations are protected by the
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constitution of the united states. and we have not violated a single low on the territory of the united states in these 10 years. the fact that we gave them a platform, including the american separatists, does not mean we compete over who does what a so backed up with with, with a non human rights dialogue. we invited people exchanged opinions with them and simply continued to stay in contact with. that's it. we did not pay the money as americans do with russian opposition. structures told me it took especially some of it, but that most of the, not just with the russian one or billions of dollars are flowing out of washington to sponsor various groups around the world. beautiful, undoubtedly, but we did not engage in that a movement does not have such opportunities nor such funds. and accordingly, when this indictment was seen by the general public, many well known journalists, like swanson and costs, and immediately began to write about it costs and spoke about this indictment full times. and also interviewed of molly. yes,
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she tele because he was shocked at how american justice under the influence of the democratic party and biden's comment administration, began to apply the law or against undesirable political activists. costs and himself is always said that whatever we may say it is protected by the constitution by law, and by the bill of rights. well, therefore, we can discuss various topics on federal tv channels on web pages in newspapers, in segments on youtube. and for this, american citizens cannot be prosecuted in any way as a result, americans over off of the judiciary and the justice department received the counter effect. tucker, carlson, who represents the right wing community, began to support the left is represented by hulu and other organizations. because he sold that, they are treated unfairly today. consequently, there was a pretty good political compilation, and now everyone knows about it. these are tens of millions of views of his stories
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about this situation. and the prosecutions position in court is absolutely weak. because today the main witnesses for the prosecution off, according to what was written in the new york times, 29 f b i. agents. when you find your purpose, i'm not sure why the federal judge and the who who case declared that their case does not fall under the protection of free speech. how so? they are american citizens. they were simply expressing their opinion. yes, it may align with the kremlin views or whatever they say, but they are american citizens. on what grounds do they claim this does not qualify as free speech? well, i'm really kind of, so give them the, i'm not sure. the american judicial system has not showed itself in the best light throughout recent history. it is no secret that the justice department essentially hands down ready, made decisions regarding serious and high profile cases. the judge's sup. or if the judge then structures the entire process to reach the conclusion, the decision that the justice department expects. this has been said by the same
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judges who have tried all citizens, but some was supposedly prosecuted for drug trafficking. others alms dealing and still others for various offences in the end. guilt was never proven, and they were absurdities that could not be reconciled with the most importantly, no one can ever answer the question of how i can be considered a foreign agent in the united states without to have a visiting the country. this is the 1st president in the history of this country. additionally, they are leading the jewelry to believe that i was given instructions to work with hulu and other organizations, which is complete nonsense. even if we return to the event from 2016 mentioned in the indictment, the dialogue of nations, we held it at the presidential administrations venue for the 1st time in 2015. we simply commercially rented a hotel from the president, one of the holes when we wanted to do it again in 2016, we were denied and we received a written refusal of the documents exist and the lawyers have the password. but
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this is ignored on here, but they still claim that you worked with russia. all their accusations have always been baseless, defense to ship against all t, as always been on, found it as being the case against other organizations they deemed foreign agents. it relied on in direct evidence that main line of argument is what i mean, tara gave sion of an interested f, b i agent, and then the department official under affidavit. so they are questioned on the roof. and based on this, the judge must draw conclusions about whether to accept the testimony into the court process. yup. or just the 2nd line involved, so called experts on russia. so there are people recognized by the everything justice system is ex but so, and if they say and cool that i own off, acted under the cover or influence of certain powers by the way. but they haven't even decided yet. because previously, if you read the news, it was always referred to as the g o u. then they remember that the g o u is military intelligence of the ministry of defense, which doesn't quite correlate with politics. and the federal security service
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emerged which they constantly referred to as the k g b. apparently they miss the moment when it changed names in the early ninety's. overall, i view all of this with a smile. the problem is that people can suffer. i don't want a molly at 82 years old penny has 76 and jesse neville, the youngest, among them up to end up in detention centers in the us over such nonsense. and that's quick up by your mind. there was a, as far as i understand, they have already suffered due to all of this. well, i need to start the book on my right. well, they have only suffered morally so far, and perhaps in some way, official america has labeled them for years. but the attitude of the american authorities towards the people has markedly changed. this indictment illustrates that because of molly is 82 years old. he lived alone in his home with his wife, who is also not a young woman and is nearly his age. at 5 am, when the federal prosecutor, i'm the head of the local f
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b i office announced the start of this case as they bust into his house. it was like something out of an american blockbuster. they probably wouldn't have stormed osama bin lot inside out this way, but instead broke in on a sleeping pension. the f b. i special forces with 2 um with vehicles. drones used flashbanc grenades. they immediately brought him outside, shackled him, and put him on public display. this is a full amount using humiliation and violation of human rights and freedoms. because these are not terrorists nor representatives of a mexican drug cocktail. he is not someone who has committed any acts against peaceful citizens, such as noisy, a murder or criminal. and yet, the americans applied such special measures in this manner of arrest to him. what can we say about this when they did all of this publicly? and indeed, as they write in the official documents, there aren't many of them. over $400.00 agents were involved. apparently they have nothing better to do with you. there are no other problems in the united states.
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400 f, b i. agents are investigating the so called serious case. in my opinion, it's a false and which high ranking officials of the united states are also involved. comments on this case were made by everyone, aside from the president. both the senate and congress spoke out. lincoln made a statement and the attorney general issue to comment. it feels like they've quote, an entire underground network. so students, it is, and what's interesting is that one of the reasons they are doing this is not just to prevent local people who have pro russian views from voicing or promoting their opinions. but also, as i understand it to tarnish the reputation of foreign colleagues of these who room members, who am i right. well, i knew you said shots style beach. well, they want to present to you who movement, which existed as the african socialist party of the usa, along with the black is back coalition and other groups. as extreme marginal figures, small in number american do additional authority and police will rid themselves of
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the pseudo marginal pseudo activist groups. i'm not sure how to characterize them entirely, but i know they have become poems in this game. because again, they chose not the largest organizations from the list we interacted with. and excessive repressive measures were applied against them. essentially real repression. and thank god, he hasn't been in prison independent century while the investigation was ongoing. the court took 2 years to consider the case. we reached trial after 2 years, but now it's 2020 full. and the case was initiated and presented to the grand jury . at the end of july 2022. they spent 2 years trying to find solid evidence to present in court and finally claim yes, we found it. in the end, they found nothing. you said that you communicate with major organizations, but you chose this particular group. why do you think they were specifically chosen over larger organizations? for example, who was almost a way to go back, i think is that's a huge because launch organizations have serious sponsors who will hi,
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a very good lawyers. larger organizations have more substantial media capabilities . they constantly participate in various talk shows and service speakers on different platforms, both online and on federal and local channels. plus they have their own representation and lobbyists, so to speak, in the executive and legislative branches. consequently, fighting against them appears much more difficult for the federals. therefore, they talk it organizations that in my opinion, can be crushed with the overwhelming force applied against them. and on the other hand, they send a message to everyone who has communicated with me and everyone who today supports rushes position or regards it equally. it and i didn't take leave. so just because in america, there is case law. and today, if you are convicted of such nonsense, it means that tomorrow, any activates to went to cuba. you travel to puerto rico, well, who went to any country in latin america? oh, god forbid, visited russia like scott ritter, can be immediately subjected to
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a search and data seizure. as soon as they step off the plane and charged on to the foreign agents law. if we're to said some way that russia is acting correctly, then that's propaganda. again, hooton's propaganda controls people. everyone should be in prison. this is the kind of democracy we have in the united states. you have the number that they're supposed to express before the end. at the same time, we see what is happening with possible door off and his detention in france. then there are the accusations that are starting to emerge against a lot of musk. where do you think the west is heading? anybody weekly, of? well, they became a custom during george bush's presidency, when the innocent and all the entities responsible for spying on their own society were expanded globally with the rise of the internet. of the united states has attempted to control all the information labels because they considered and still consider themselves not only and exceptional nation, but also the head of this unit,
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polar world. the washington consensus in posey certain obligations on the headman and the headman must know everything, monitor everyone, and have the ability to over throw governments anywhere in the world. we remember the entire arab spring, which was even called the facebook spring. because facebook actively helped create close groups and trusts where opposition activists gather didn't plan. there were legal actions. the same thing happened in ukraine in 2014 the same in libya, and the same and many other countries. i won't list them all. it's well known to all of us. then there was scandals with prism snowden and the phones published materials and all the leaks emerged. it became clear to everyone that americans were losing the ability to come to the only information flows. a new possibilities arose, encrypted communications were created. a new messages came into existence. they are coming to all of them. essentially, their current task is to read old messages. more over reading them is easier than what they currently have. the means to do the papers. i am convinced of this,
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and i tell everyone that telegram is being read and americans are among those reading it. but they want not just to read it, but also to control it because they see that, for example, telegram has a huge influence in russia. therefore, it is important for them just like with youtube to close this channel to limit that one to the, to clean up this one. and additionally, we need to read all the military communications. we also want to build our enhancement that with algorithms and artificial intelligence that will analyze the information contained in these communications aggregates compile it. and we will make certain conclusions. we will even initiate criminal cases along the way. perhaps we also have activists who secretly sympathized with russia. and now we will use these closed communications to bring them onto the fire a little because they might not be using their real names or suit. the names of the rules telegram allows use is not to link their accounts to a phone number and to create multiple accounts on one device. the main task therefore,
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is not just to read but to control and have the ability to integrate these algorithms into any developing social network or messenger. the sucker book actually wrote an open letter in response to this confession. and it fully confirms this, these are requests not from republicans, but from democrats. so essentially, some way within the car doors and depths of the democratic party, a plan for absolute control over information and society has matured. interestingly, they released a film that is called civil war or the phone of the empire, and i'll see it is it precisely illustrates how the desire to control people's information. let americans and civil war causing it to fragment into 3 entities, 3 states. essentially. i think that the democrats and these extreme liberals who are currently promoting a very dubious agenda, are indeed leading america toward civil war. is the diversity of what kind of crap like us? what do you think will happen specifically in your case, that you likely communicate with members of hulu and various organizations?
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are they afraid i need to do they feel they are being persecuted and that there is more attention on them now? will they continue doing what they have been doing? what are they saying? i mean, you guys are with setting you up by gift you. they do not renounce their support for russia or their ideas regarding the crisis in ukraine. they have the right to do so. during yesterday's hearing, there was a press conference across from the cold house that they reiterated the movement, which has a history of over half a century, has its own principles and views on various issues. whether they are few in number or not is another question that they have that block and their objectives within those hundreds or thousands of people who share their abuse. they are not afraid, they do not understand what is happening. we see that in america there was a strong diversion to ceremony. when the 1st witnesses appeared in the bar in case i would say what happened to them unpleasant things, they are no longer alive. therefore, when american justice cannot prove guilt of the tools may come into play,
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that americans use not only within the united states, against the citizens, but also abroad. they can simply kill someone, eliminate them in one way or another. and that's where processes and because any lawyer and many experts have already been involved in studying this indictment, say that proving the guilt of, of who root of the 3 people will be very difficult. even based on the evidence that the prosecution has provided. naturally, the f b i is overseeing this case. i repeat f b i. agents are primarily acting as prosecutors and witnesses. accordingly, they do not like to play games. therefore they will resort to any dirty tactics to achieve some results. what that results should be. we can only speculate because the case itself is to put it mildly strange like somebody on us, but it was a shift. and alexander eon of human rights activist, head of anti globalization movement of russia. thank you very much, and good luck. i hope you won't have to fly there any time soon. this the guys i didn't tend to, by the way,
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they don't even allow me to appear in court via video conference. and they don't even allow a lawyer to appear at the hearing. how did they explain this? because i just, uh, as though they said they waiting for me like, preferably by transit through prison. but i don't really want that. i've seen, but i don't really want that. let's start with the court's decision on a whole route and see what happens next, whether they will pursue this with other organizations and groups you've communicated with. thank you. the, the, if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the landscapes open up the phone lines. the last one does,
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can you imagine the, the discounts dodge the journey? the, the, you ready to come along the
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the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on line. we have very quick propaganda. you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer
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is, will be the, the claims of the king of the belgians leopold the 2nd to the congo were finally authorized by the leading european countries in 18. 85 in the very heart of the african continent states under the rule of the belgian monarch was declared. since the beginning, the congo free state was total may him for the local population and function as a universal concentration camp. the majority of the population, including women and children, were poor, still work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated. to keep the con, the least people under control, the king set up the so called forest bleak which were punitive detachments that
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cast terror on the captured country and its inhabitants varying that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals. the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet use, and as proof presented a job hand of an african, it was not uncommon when drying to justify the use of the munition. the calling is to have your data, the hands of not only those so were dead, but also live. those who are kept alive. the atrocious exploitation of the congo turned into a real genocide. you know, late 20 years, the policy of the belgians laid into the depths of nearly 10000000 people alongside the hall. across the genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the greenest pages in the history of mankind. the
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