the law and why it might be a problem and which the conventions, speaking of which has anyone bothered asking how from london's feel about it? because the answer is not great if opposition remarks. there are any indication rich nations like the u. k. should fulfill their response ability to host refugees and not send them to 3rd countries. we are completely against these kind of deals. who cares though, right? as long as the west can keep pretending that it isn't having to claw back the disastrous results of its own open border virtue, singling because of my hearts would still be in the system and being processed. technically, they just be hidden under a giant rug called rwanda. and look, if anyone has a problem with any of that, it's clinton who made them do it. to say was our to international have next. the latest episode of going on the ground was action for tennessee. i've had the

mass, general fancy and welcome back to going underground broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. if you happen to stop by these riley embassy and one of the world capitals arming the genocide in gaza. today, you'll find thousands of u. k. security forces on highlights today's protests in the british capital, follow unprecedented mass killing of men, women and children in west asia. the u. k. states, together with its totalitarian media, has responded by controlling the story in detaining activists like sarah wilkinson . this all in a week where you a woman, the stage on healey,

double down on 320 weapons export licenses to net from yahoo before applying the meeting at around 15 and base and us occupied germany to discuss the you guys multi $1000000000.00 arming of a ukraine that has band elections, whole position bodies, and media. is it any wonder that the government to the u. k, formerly owner of the country of palestine, that is to some known as israel, is in such a frenzy to shut down palestinian solidarity by binding university protests and arresting defences. joining me from a london in turmoil is a political candidate to branded a u. k. own secretary, a will criminal live on u. k. television. she hasn't been seen on mainstream u. k. tv since fiona valley is national campaigns coordinator for the u. k. revolutionary communist party, co ordinating multiple pro palestinian and competence across u. k. universities, some of which have now been banned. fiona, thanks so much for coming on. going underground, you know, in a normal,

well peaceful world, i might be asking you about the cross war of the grenville 5. what's going on the ground covered a lot when we were based in london, the whitewash inquiry too many, but i suppose i better begin. why will you and babs tens or hundreds of thousands to be outside israel's embassy in london today? thank you so much for having me on the show. i mean, the majority of people of the po show that the majority of people in person do not support or israel is doing, do not support even the british government's involvement in supply and funding for israel, and it's genocide against the palestinians. and despite that, we have a government that is continuing to support that. and so it's important for us to consistently demonstrate that as much as we can demonstrate, actually what the false majority of people think. in spite of everything that the government has done, the british government when it was led by the tories, i'm still now when it said by labor have done as much as they can intimidate people

out with protesting you reference. of course, the rest of the john, the sarah wilkinson, and the comments didn't clump down students in the comments i was at the so i've seen coming earlier this week talking to students who have been expelled and suspended, prevented even from graduating. they themselves saw swell a brave and then i think at one point very, very early on, she tried to say it might be a criminal offense to waive the policy in the slide in an aggressive manner. they've tried so hard to criminalize. i'm still on to this whole movement and so it's 71 for us to be out of that to show that it's not working. i'm actually much to the dismay. i think it's getting bigger. yeah. so l a. bravo in that bar is johnson or wish you so not good official him, i'm secretary, you called, or a war criminal. this labor government style him are unpopular when he was elected. secchia, som or agent of, of, of my 6 accused go by some people,

but financed by israel. this whole new british government clearly funded by not be as to israel. what, what do you make of that meets this genocide because some media thing. look, he's stump 2 licenses of a child killing weapons this week. i think it shows the what's happening in, in palestine today is a reflection of a global system. i'm actually what western imperialism wants to maintain across the entire region. and if your individual who seeks to defend british capitalist interest, it doesn't matter what part to your, from if your defender thought you were going to end up defending israel, you can try and claim you're doing it in a soft way as they try to, you know, announce with this really pisses full, you know, waste suspending just a few of the arms and the trying to make a big deal out of this. but everyone can see through it. they are,

all the defend is actually, or whatever america's impaired his interest on the region and the happy to go along with that. and as a result, that justifying what israel is continuing to do, i think its 7 pool and not to allow any smugness from the la party that that's somehow more progressive in the tories. why on palestine? because it's absolutely categorically false and no one is dying. it, it makes me think of this um, this quite by malcolm x where he says something like, if you stopped me in the back 9 inches, the told them i felt 6 inches. that's not progress. and then he says, even if you pull out the whole way that student progress progress would be healing the wound of the, of the blue and bridges. and the british state historically said is so complicit and setting up the problems and the sufferings of the palestinians. i'm

still today is complicit in that and so it's really important that we don't allow the labor government installment. and david allow me himself is also not, you know, a lobbyist scientists lobbying for a long time to receive money from them that they're allowed. no moral superiority on this question. i don't think anyone is buying a tool. yeah. allow me the foreign secretary, who is it a bank, which with these rarely invested a britain to be auto valley, who will be basically behind these barricades today of the demonstrations and the foreign secretary allow me said to said without you, i would never have made it to where i am, because the sum of the people there at the is haley function, the paid for his harvard, the university fees. as far as i understand it started, i was asked by um, outgoing, so neck about whether we had informed the united states before these pitiful, 3 licenses, presumably on legal advice and something the lawyers were going to resign. the

official government lawyers were going to resign. if they had allowed these particular weapons sent and that's in yahoo to gail children. what do you make of uh, this relationship between the united states and that instalment said immediately yes, yes, i told the us was informed. yeah, i think it shows how bryston is kind of a like a lot sold to american imperialism and american interest rates. and we'll go along essentially with whatever america says. and it also shows, in a distorted way, how even the britain once was this huge empire, that kind of, you know, ruled the way of simply this muster role in the world stage in a distorted way that has declined. and now they play the role of just supporting america. i'm. i think it also shows that no matter who wins, even the us selection, you know, salma, i'm even david law, me in the past,

i think had made some tweets against trump and you know and said it was and he had terrible positive. we know the soonest they get into the positions that they're in every single slot into place, and they'll continue to play the role that is necessary to facilitate west it appeared as interest. i'm those interest a set by america 1st and foremost, which is the most dominant reaction. we power in the whole world. unforeseen is just, it's just the loyal, locked off to the service. whoever is in the white house, i think. and clearly the complex that you are helping to organize around the country, the people that share your opinion, that you just gave me there. but does it leads who don't support the in cabin to a palestine or an understanding of the levels of plausible affair in your country? will they some of these rich to trump? trump wins in november, the to speak. so as in, i think that was most useful to these people,

even if they would prefer small harris to donald trump. the thing they are most stead of is a powerful palestine may have been a powerful movement of the work in cost in the country. no matter what way it's going, they can accommodate any individual politician, even if they're not exactly on the spectrum. so long as that's still in the same comp. i mean, you talked about costs wolf, this is exactly it. well today in america, in person, i mean many other places i think is polarizing. i think the divide between i would say the routing house and what the cost is becoming bigger inequality sewer and i'm political opinion is polarizing. i think it's very rare to come across. someone who is this interested in politics will consider themselves just in the center. the state is credit of center. brown is completely collapsing and how spine is very

interesting because it's such as a litmus test for where do you stand is it wouldn't be oppressed with the oppressor . who do you defend? is it american imperialist interests? or is it the right to people to lift the lice and dignity? and i think the always the well thought is being expressed in various different formats and whether it's triangle, kamala harris, even the most sensible politicians in britain or whatever it is. they can see the ultimately they're on the same side. i will show up in my job as an organizer is to show as many people as possible. yeah, we are on 2 different sides and we should unite our struggles against these coming up presses. and i think the ground so that today really exists. i think it exist on his brother and it's 5 child clan and you're not given a chance to make those arguments on the totality or immediate system in britain. how important is it that the message you just gave me, there is no transmitted on the legacy media channels, the murdock newspapers,

whether it be the times the son, the guardian, or whatever that alone the channels you have there. and that message made similarly by politicians in the united states. yeah, i mean the main stream media inverse in this course is not going to yeah, allow the most radical voices onto it. i mean, not even just stop, even the more moderate voices you do make on every think that they say is immediately tempted or corrected by the interviewer who's discussing it. we've all seen that the interviews west, someone talks about the genocide in palestine and they're immediately told we have to because israel would not claim the genocide to take the so yes, of course israel, you know, they always have to give is ro, side of the equation. but mostly them that i think what's important to highlight is why do they do this? another example is, there's been

a lot in the news recently about this 1000000 and mike lynch mc. leach to drowned. you know, like british bill gates on a us, the people absolutely fascinated by what is taking place and talking about it and discussing it. and then discussions about all c, p u, up safe, you know, should this be happening? meanwhile, you know, people are dying every single day, one in bruce and juice, austerity will, as well due to persons involvement. whether it's in gaza or actually say today, you know, this week there's been discussions about the rental inquiry, the smell come out, 72 people to, let's be honest with much it because profit seeking companies and people come see making costs and 72 people who died as a result of that, but the way in which all of this reported the distorted monitoring which is reported reflects what are the interest these?

no, i don't know, most of papers and mainstream media institutions are trying to defend or what are the interests. but the trying to shake in terms of public opinion or propaganda. all of it says, whatever it is that the british government of the british food in costs needs to promote what needs to put out there. and that's why it is very difficult to get on these programs and put these ideas across. but nonetheless, we try and we continue. and i think what's interesting actually is the space and the media as a result of this, is that an all time low trust in the media is actually, i know the time that especially among young people. i think a lot of young people today, they don't get the news of that politics from b, b, c, or institutions like this. i'm not a small part. the reason why perhaps that politics is, is a bit better than what the bbc is putting out the feeling of, of the, i'll stop you that more from the national campaigns coordinated with you, a revolutionary communist party after this break

the acceptance and i'm here to plane with you, whatever you do, you do not watch my new shells. seriously. why watch something that's so different . whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you, go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my shell stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you think the welcome back to going on the right, and i'm still here with you a revolution recall mean just by the national campaigns coordinator, fiona valley view and i should say about the grant fail,

a disaster that you are drawing by the end about one, those companies that goes, deny it, so they murdered anyone and that it was all a terrible accident. people gonna look into the greenville that fire if the, if they wanted it shows we did on on rumble. the, the inquiry actually is not a legally binding, as far as i understand the even. but we get to your optimism for the future. more of your optimism, but there is, of course, as nature warren rush it through ukraine. is it virtually impossible in britain now to oppose the u. k. u. s. u weapon reporting into ukraine for this war? and is it possible a told to say, well, months peaceful to negotiations, or any kind of settlement the worst? think 1st of all, it's important to highlight well actually is going on in regards to ukraine because we should say, i mean stall, my, his promise, 3000000000 pounds

a year to new crew. he said, for as long as it takes, am i thinking the budget they budgeted 3000000000 pounds a year to credit up to 2030. on top of that, i think the world bank loans to ukraine person has underwritten them. right? so if you can comp paid them back for a soon as liable, all of this money, billions and billions, who voted for this very tips about whilst at the same time stop and the labor and the name of politics as hockey punches, and the when to fuel allowance, they refuse to scrap the 2 child benefit cap, the committing to spending billions and billions for this t claim, just to defend the spending in general. things like tried and this is a government rule bridge for the i'm he knows about that. really trudy, how far is not in the consciousness of people in britain, people know the suffering has taken place in the crate. i'm preaching has been all of this kind of stuff. but that completely, i think, unaware the reality of,

of what is taking place because it's called it up to public. i'm doing various other things. so it's important to, to highlight this and i would say to, to broaden it out and link it to the general manager. isn't that the government actually promotes but isn't honest about all around the world. and that's why, you know, what i'm interested in is, you know, we're going to run a campaign called book smart phones. we are opposed to this ministers and this government of war. yes. through nato, against fresh. why, why is this happening? i think we've got to make people aware of it. i'm be honest, it, it is true that the culture of criticism against the government has become very, very intense. i suppose. i mean, if you take the polish started amazement, even in a distorted way. how storm or something to the far right, right. it's right. it's a fascist dogs committing violence against people in this part of my scale. so

we'll start always doing a se. if you criticize akiko against his government, we will lock you up. we will have you arrested i'm, i think the reason that storm has been so quick to do that is because i think to some degree he is aware that there is a d r and that exist in person. if you talk to anyone about their opinion about the government, it's not going to be positive. and in fact, i would say the government assisting on a on a pallet. okay. that is waiting to expose and it could go in many, many different directions. there's a deep, i'm good that is because of usable star, t inequality watching live in standards hypocrisy of the highest order from the british government. and that is what they're trying to contain. they'll contain it in any different political stage that they can what they've done to the far. they also do to the left. i'm sure of it whether you're speaking out against the war and ukraine and palestine or anything else. of course those in these riley bankroll the

cabinets of the british government would say, well, they did get a mandate and they weren't explicit that they wanted to support zalinski before the election. i know they got few of votes and jeremy colby knew actually last. when he was the leader of the labor policy. i mean, give us a sense of that support for ukraine because we saw flags everywhere across the country. the we your vision song contest for ukraine, celebrating it despite, you know, at the same time on social media, people can see the far right band as a v, as a fatality of the new crane people tired of it or is the media deliberately not covering it hundreds of thousands of ukrainians have now being killed. i would say that, i think in the recent period and the recent general election, i don't think you crane was a major feature. i think the major political issues of the general election, palestine with garza inequality and a starchy in may. it is true,

of course, ordinary people nice people of course assume that that's a and don't want to see the suffering that ukrainians are experiencing. of course, that is the case and i'm sure most people that you would speak to would would say that i would agree with that. however, i think people also a style and to see the what you read in the news and well, the bbc reports what the god, all of these different institutions is not necessarily the truth. i carmen, but he said that the truth is the 1st casualty of war. and you've got to take everything you need with with a grain of salt. and so it hasn't been, i would say, in a short time, the most dominant feature. but i think as the money continues to float while still stairs, he continues to float, tougher and tougher questions will have to be asked of stomach. but who will ask these questions? i'm not sure in terms of the british government as

a whole because the tories had a very clear support and sending money as much as possible and say that opposition is more likely to come from outside of the british parliament in terms of the 16 m . p. 's and the sitting policies perhaps in the us elections. i mean, i'm not asking for, you know, international gays like the spanish civil war to do a save the doing the people's republic in east and ukraine or to volunteer to help the children of gaza. but why a cultural figures in britain so silent? what are the novelists, right? as composes, musicians, pop musicians, artists, what, what, what is up with them? i mean, you know, certainly on ukraine there has been some of them guys though they're not protect physically in the music industry on ukraine. all i've seen is a british musical figure has an autistic figure supporting the nature of war and russia through great. a good example is your wants is who i know you know,

and we know on this, right? yeah, i think that's an interesting question. um, i mean, i think thought perhaps because what is happening in palestine comes across a so extreme to so many people. it feels as though the british government and the british media has really had to go into overdrive to try and justify it and try and explain it, which can push people in the opposite direction. and by comparison in, in, in ukraine it's been less intense. but i think we should, we should also wait and see. i mean, as you said, you could also talk about the complete destination of the off in person in general . anyway, right? the best ok is all that is truthful on all the tells the truth and but in order to create a unique resources and actually the resources, the box is getting tougher and tougher to come across for any musician play. right

. and novelist or something or other, but it's a piece of, of web the next all well is i called i called about we unfortunately hello, hello. oh is this that she worked for him? i 6 towards the end as, as we, as we know, i mean, in the absence of any mass working process. moving to then, what about how the global south and the brakes and emerging economies can somehow help reinvigorate political space in the old, colonial imperial power written, given you paints such a di, picture of a country ribbon by and security and incompetence and even quality. the 1st thing this points to an important question, because let me look how far is that taking place in different parts of the world or think about okay, what can i do here in britain? what can we do about what's, what's going on? and i'd say 1st and foremost,

the most important thing if you live in an imperious country, is to as much to come to fight your ryan imperialist. that is your main target. my main, you know, political goal is to do what i can to stop the british imperialism and british involvement. whether it's in oppression, overseas or oppression at home with the knowledge that if rather than a capitalist state running road all over the world and at home, you had in fact, a luck of state that was actually spying in the interest of the workers. more people actually want and need me with that start to solve the problems at home, the also gleefully right. if you had a state that genuinely wanted to fight in the interest of the palestinians or someone else or any other oppress carpentry wherever it is or press peoples, that is what you have to fight for. yeah, but in the absence of that kind of breaks health to those people in britain trying

to trying to change britain much is a c. i a cuts out strive to help us imperialism in developing world countries. my main message and tool is the people, the working costs of every single individual country should have confidence in itself as a cloth of lane. and it's most important allies all the work because of other countries. those other people with the most capabilities actually to try and help and other people or another, or, or another country. that is my message. we're trying to appeal to the best in nature of all the costs, which countries as the way to solve the problems of the world. i think the only way forward will be through the mass movement of luck as themselves. i think clause independence is extremely important. and in this, in the struggle, i mean, you take the palestinians, for example, on the situation and palestine has remained the same as remain desperate for a long time, despite different governments and different regimes,

paying lip service to the cause of the palestinians for a long time. it will require the material intervention of the masses of the wall, cuz i would say of neighboring countries themselves thought is, where are see the solution. not in appealing to the governments or stand on weapons and weapons sales. just finally, then we mentioned tara wilkinson. i mentioned to the journalist who was detained and is being persecuted right now. was gonna happen to you in the u. k. she's, she's, of course, in, in britain as you become more successful. and there's those people that unites under this cause that you have any encampments just on the pile of that nature, regardless of the, of the capital, this message would you expect is going to happen to you as you do best as well. i mean, it's hard to say, i think if i'm doing my job correctly, i probably wouldn't be welcome to versus just stop richmond institutions by any

means. but i think it doesn't really matter. so what happens to me as an individual, necessarily, what's much more important is the growing organization of amazement. again, it's not any one individual anyone policy, but the system as a whole, which is capitalism, which is responsible for the crump down on democratic rights to inequality. i'm which is being moved to all over the world, the best way i would say to fight against repression. while the possibility of someone being rest or anything else is to make sure the one you have conveyed and communicated your ideas as policy and effectively as possible. that they can be taken on and understood. i'm grown by as many other people have as possible. that way you can arrest someone you caught stopped a movement you comp stop. an idea once is gripped the minds of the masses. and that

is what we're striving to do every single day, say whatever happens to me, as long as there's others out there, which i'm sure there will be given how di the situation is they cost of us feeling it. all right, thank you. thank you. of that sort of a show of continued condolences to those bereaved by you k u. s. you und genocide here in the middle east will be back on monday when will speak to the founder and director of the switch institute for peace and energy research. daniel against noon for his book, nato secret armies, operation flavio and terrorism in the west and europe, and he'll then keep in touch. why will i social media if it's not sensitive? he'll country and add to our channel going underground tv on normal dot com to watch a new and old episodes of feeling on the grand scheme of the

. the after a week and a half the id f withdraws from the west bank city, gives a name following one of the territories longest and deadliest raids. in that case, with sar reported 21 people killed really forces deployed massive military reinforcements, leading to a full siege of the city and the camp. they stormed residential buildings destroying many apartments and homes for seen hundreds of palestinian families to flee amidst the sound of the soldiers gunfire. russian forces take control of another settlement on the way to a key ukrainian logistics topic tablets is upwards of 10000 soldiers in russia's personal region. the only purpose of the less.