[000:00:00;00] the, the alex on the shaking, alexander eon of a human rights activist and head of anti globalization movement of russia. thank you very much for joining us today. we will, of course, discuss the case against who that has begun in the united states. what can you say about this trial? did you expect it to come to this? and how do you think it will end? well, i mean, of course he's going to the golf course. i'll start with a line from a classic american film, which is not guilty for me. this was a major shock because in 2022, when the special military operation began. there were people not certainly in russia who supported it. they were all supporters in other countries of the global majority, including the united states,

who were aware of events in don boss in lou ganske who traveled the and communicated with activists. essentially, they shed our agenda, audiology and directly interacted with individuals involved in these events. therefore, people who sort rationally and control conclusions gathered for certain actions or events and formed an agenda, the f. b, i offices would lay to cold, a pro russian agenda out of this and indictment regarding me with a rise which quickly spread across a western media like a 7 year campaign of malicious influence. within the united states allegedly orchestrated by the antique globalist movement and russian intelligent services, it is clear that over 2 years, accounts of pots have been unable to find any evidence on all they have done is utilize the entire list of restrictions and limitations that could be imposed, there was literally something new every week. first, a criminal case,

then sanctions against me and all my companies and organizations. then declaring the a national security threat announcing an international wanted notice i only while i was on a humanitarian mission in mary, you pull in december 2022 rewards the justice offer of $10000000.00 imaged regarding my whereabouts and activities. and here i stand in solidarity with a molly? yes you tyler, one of the figures in this case during an interview with tucker carlson. he made a very important point that despite the 10000000 dollar bounty being placed by no one came forward to provide testimony. in essence, no one wants to take responsibility for such a foolish case that essentially undermines the 1st amendment of the constitution. the infamous bill of rights that american democracy prides itself on. so i've never been known. i see. so that the site at the same time, we have this $10000000.00 amount. sounds like this were previously offered for terrorists. now it turns out that they equate terrorist ones with anti global lists

will help us. we can use to essentially that's how it is. they view the activities of political circles. similarly to how it was in the late sixty's, when african americans actively fought for their rights to gain segregation in the united states. they evidently see politicians as a threat because unlike in russia, the law on foreign agents, the foreign agents registration act from the late 19th thirty's, is not being de criminalized. this leads to criminal prosecution, unreal, present time for american citizens. it can be up to 15 years for foreign citizens up to 5 years of imprisonment. and yet they began to actively apply this little against the political opponents starting in 2016 with us. and if we examined similar indictments, we can see that they mainly involve by the citizens of china or to a lesser extent, citizens of the russian federation. as a result, they are also now using this tool very actively to profile people within the united states. many russians live there,

and many people sympathized with opposition. lots of fact, especially regarding ukraine, this position has divided society that if it's not the case that everyone is going out on the street today shouting, let support, zalinski and the key of regime. no, it's absolutely not like that. there are people who essentially support or abuse. it's not that they support booting and russia. they exclusively support opposition because they know what you create is all about us and they understand how nato expanded, and they are aware of the political agenda in eastern europe. and for them, this political and let's say criminal retreat within the foreign law has been made to put it simply if tomorrow you push a pro russian agenda into the masses, which they consider to be pro russian again as they define it to we do not know but they consider it pro russian, then you will be subject to a search and trial. that's way the stories with names and scott, richard have come from the list. i think this won't be the last case. there was

still prominent public figures involved in summary, it can be said that last year, which has been happening for you if i'm not mistaken, 50 years, many american activates on, especially from the anti war movement and the left is the organizations have gone to the may demonstration in cuba for, for this phenomenon has be normal for half a century. so, last year were launched, delegation of over $100.00 people was met at various airports in the united states, off the flying from cuba. and they were collectively intimidated by the foreign agents. little having their phones, gadgets, in any information carriers confiscated or essentially the us has introduced a kind of dictate to shape or no and order against political and social forces and censorship against journalists. because i mean the, but what about this famous american freedom of speech and where is the line then? it was this of the process of though, i mean, you're still still used to this question must be directed to the department of justice because these cases are compiled, developed and initiated against various activists in consortium with the f

b i. and one can only guess why they are conducting this with chunk for you. however, we understand that the recent elections, especially with bite and has dropped out of the presidential race, show that the extreme liberals and martin de niro trotskyites, representing the democratic party and its current form, understand that they can protect their interests only through fire and source. because trump is seriously change the landscape toward conservative views and the republican policy, he is trying to complete the change the relationships with nato and the european union, including on the lines of intelligence and military age and want to influence ukraine . therefore, the democrats are trying to cling to power as much as possible. naturally, it's very important for them to eliminate all the so called destructive elements that hinder them from doing this within the united states. hence, the notorious witch hunt is on the way for them. well described that, that just that was the cause based on what you just said and considering what we

saw during trumps trial. do you think there will be a fair decision? you know, planning i think is probably do officially in years. you know, we are not expecting any said decisions. i spoke with the lawyer as of a molly, jesse neville and penny has. firstly, the indictment itself is on just if we read it, we would just laugh out loud because it consists of 2 so called fact lines. the 1st line is propaganda. what newsweek allegedly wrote about me is putins propaganda. meaning that if we say the special operation was properly planned and that avoiding it was impossible, that's already considered pollutants propaganda. for some reason, they decided that they should be punished by american law. this is criminalizing a political position. plus, we worked together on facebook as part of our international group, which has existed since 2015 on a document regarding reparations. and made an appeal to the un. or you have to say somehow conceded that if someone talks about the infringement of the legal rights and interests of african americans in the us,

that to constitutes criminalization of the process. that the, i need to go with us to yucca, where they claim that there is some correspondence between you and someone from the russian special services the, the, that you saw at the us. and yes. and accordingly, names of people i don't know. a mentioned which is the most interesting part of the content of the correspondence. even what they've published does not suggest that someone gives to be a c'mon or instruction. it's obvious that the same person wouldn't discuss such things on whatsapp or anywhere else. yet they seem to think that this is an instruction for me to take some actions which i allegedly transmitted. again, with the translation they provided on the content that was in english. it's impossible to correlate to our actions with what is written that if you can't say that someone gave me clear instructions, let's say to take these candidates, accompany him and develop some political project with him. and that's not that there's some discussion that's maybe it's correspondence partially with my assistant, maybe with someone else as

a form. i can't find out because i still have the same phone. i haven't changed my number. and consequently to i have nothing to hide. this just proves, once again, the united states, as stuart spots at the level of an attorney general. as far as i understand, they also latched onto the fact that you bought someone a ticket to moscow. so i need to search the middle of a board. they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on also include opposition, creating media and destructive extreme is structures and so on. if i bought someone a ticket to moscow and someone bought me a ticket to moscow, it doesn't mean that we are in a political criminal conspiracy. that's just complete nonsense. i've also been invited to many serious conferences. yes. the host country covered tickets, meals and accommodation, for example, in germany or europe in general. i was invited speaker at the polytechnic university of midland and they compet housing as well. so now am i supposed to become a foreign agent initially? all the people who invited me there, including the university wreck to,

should he become a foreign agent or end up in prison? you understand? that's absurd. yeah, that's such a the put across and by the way, this is a great way if they want to for example, remove some congressman. right, or just tell someone to buy a ticket for this congressman to some unfriendly country. right. and they can use this methodology in the future. as i say on you, which you started the show about the, you know, their propaganda works very strangely. i don't know who it same dots. apparently they're of us somewhere at cnn. no m s nbc, who still believe this? so you open twitter and see alexander, ion of created the who, who wrote movement. alexandra, i own off, created the texas national movement and so on down the list. these movements were created at the time when i was not even in this world. they would not even in the project. amalia, she taylor received his 1st sentence back in the late 19 sixty's during the time of the black panthers movement. when people were fighting for their rights, he entered the city hall and tore down the races post. for this, he was placed in

a correctional institution. that was his 1st trial. this is the struggle. it is his political position, and it is protected by the constitution. yet somehow, this has been forgotten in america again, the most important thing that i always pay attention to in dialogues with the west and preston here. while discussing this indictment is that we all know certainly working with who route we are working with over 40 movements. some, a smaller, some, a larger. there are movements much bigger than hulu, but as we can see, there are no criminal cases initiated against the no one writes anything about them . they took one small block of work and started unraveling it. so why did they should continue with in organizations, which would create a huge problem within the united states when old movements take to the streets and unite against the justice department? apparently they fear this stuff. well, they take individual episodes and somehow twisted them into the model. they have created into that mechanism that but again,

the actions taken by representatives of various organizations are protected by the constitution of the united states. and we have not violated a single low on the territory of the united states in these 10 years. the fact that we gave them a platform, including the american separatists, does not mean we compete over who does what. so back to the question with a non human rights dialogue, we invited people exchanged opinions with them and simply continued to stay in contact with. that's it. we did not pay the money as americans do with russian opposition structures. so let me just talk especially scripts, but the most, the not just with the russian ones or billions of dollars are flowing out of washington to sponsor various groups around the world. beautiful, undoubtedly, but we did not engage in that a movement does not have such opportunities, no such funds. and accordingly, when this indictment was seen by the general public, many well known journalist like swanson and costs, and immediately began to write about it costs and spoke about this indictment 4

times. and also interviewed of molly. yes, she tele because he was shocked of how american justice, under the influence of the democratic party and biden's comment administration, began to apply the law or against on desirable political activists. costs and himself is always said that whatever we may say it is protected by the constitution by law and by the bill of rights will. therefore, we can discuss various topics on federal tv channels on web pages in newspapers, and in segments on youtube. and for this, american citizens cannot be prosecuted in any way. as a result, americans arrived at the judiciary and the justice department received a counter effect. tucker, carlson, who represents the right wing community, began to support the left is represented by hulu and other organizations. because he sold that, they are treated unfairly today. consequently, there was a pretty good political compilation, and now everyone knows about it. these are tens of millions of views of his stories

about the situation, and the prosecution's positioning cold. he's absolutely weak because today the main witnesses for the prosecution off, according to what was written in the new york times, 29 f b i. agents. and yet, i'm not sure why the federal judge and the who case declared that their case does not fall under the protection of free speech. how so? they are american citizens, if they were simply expressing their opinion. yes, it may align with the kremlin views or whatever they say, but they are american citizens. on what grounds do they claim this does not qualify as free speech? well, i'm really kind of go, so give them the, i'm not sure. the american judicial system has not showed itself in the best light throughout recent history. it is no secret that the justice department essentially hands down ready made decisions regarding serious and high profile cases. the judges supple if the judge then structures the entire process to reach the conclusion,

the decision that the justice department expects. this has been said by the same judges who have tried all citizens, but some was supposedly prosecuted for drug trafficking. others arms dealing and still others for various offences in the end. guilt was never proven, and they were absurdities that could not be reconciled. most importantly, no one can ever answer the question of how i can be considered a foreign agent in the united states without to have a visiting the country. this is the 1st president in the history of this country. additionally, they are leading the jewelry to believe that i was given instructions to work with hulu and other organizations, which is complete nonsense. even if we return to the event from 2016 mentioned in the indictment, the dialogue of nations, we held it at the presidential administrations venue for the 1st time in 2015. we simply commercially rented a hotel from the president, one of the holes when we wanted to do it again in 2016, we were denied and we received

a written refusal of the documents exist and the lawyers have the password. but this is ignored on here, but they still claim that you worked with russia. all their accusations have always been baseless, defense to ship against all t, as always been on, found it as being the case against other organizations they deemed foreign agents. it relied on in direct evidence that main line of argument is what i mean, tara gave sion of an interested f. b i. agents, and then the department official under affidavit to them. so they are questioned on the roof. and based on this, the judge must draw conclusions about whether to accept the testimony into the court process. yup. or just the 2nd line involved, so called experts on russia. so there are people recognized by the everything justice system is ex but so, and if they say and cool that i own off, acted under the cover will influence of certain powers by the way. but they haven't even decided yet. because previously, if you read the news, it was always referred to as the j all you. then they remember that the g o u is military intelligence of administrative defense,

which doesn't quite correlate with politics. and the federal security service emerged which they constantly referred to as the k g b. apparently they missed the moment when it changed names in the early ninety's. overall, i view all of this with a smile. the problem is that people can suffer. i don't want a molly at 82 years old penny has 76 and jesse neville, the youngest, among them up to end up in detention centers in the us over such nonsense. and i spoke up like in mind that was the, as far as i understand, they have already suffered due to all of this. well, i need to start the book on my right. well, they have only suffered morally so far, and perhaps in some way, official america has labeled them for you. but the attitude of the american authorities towards the people has markedly changed. this indictment illustrates that because of molly is 82 years old. he lived alone in his home with his wife, who is also not a young woman and is nearly his age. at 5 am,

when the federal prosecutor, i'm the head of the local f b i office announced the start of this case as they bust into his house. it was like something out of an american blockbuster. they probably wouldn't have stormed osama bin lot inside out this way, but instead broke in on a sleeping pension or the f. b. i special forces with 2 um with vehicles. drones used flashbanc grenades. they immediately brought him outside, shackled him, and put him on public display. this is a full amount using humiliation and violation of human rights and freedoms. because these are not terrorists, nor representatives of a mexican drug cartel. he is not someone who has committed any acts against peaceful citizens, such as noisy, a murder or criminal. and yet the americans applied such special measures in this manner of arrest to him. what can we say about this when they did all of this publicly? and indeed, as they write in the official documents, there aren't many of them over 400 agents were involved. apparently they have nothing better to do with you. there are no other problems in the united states.

400 f b i. agents are investigating the so called serious case. in my opinion, it's a false and which high ranking officials of the united states are also involved. comments on this case were made by everyone, aside from the president, both the senate and congress spoke out. lincoln made a statement, and the attorney general issue to comment. it feels like they've called an entire underground network. so students, it is, and what's interesting is that one of the reasons they are doing this is not just to prevent local people who have pro russian views from voicing or promoting their opinions. but also, as i understand it to tarnish the reputation of foreign colleagues of these who room members, who am i right. well, i knew you said shots style beach. well, they want to present to you who movement, which existed as the african socialist party of the usa, along with the black is black coalition, and other groups. as extreme marginal figures,

small in number american do additional authority and police will rid themselves of the pseudo marginal low pseudo activist groups. i'm not sure how to characterize them entirely, but i know they have become poems in this game. because again, they chose not the largest organizations from the list we interacted with. and excessive repressive measures were applied against them. essentially real repression. and thank god, he hasn't been in prison independent century while the investigation was ongoing. the court took 2 years to consider the case. we reached trial after 2 years, but now it's 2024 and the case was initiated and presented to the grand jury. at the end of july 2022. they spent 2 years trying to find solid evidence to presenting colt and finally claim. yes, we found it. in the end, they found nothing. you said that you communicate with major organizations, but you chose this particular group. why do you think they were specifically chosen over larger organizations, for example, who was almost a way to go look at getting his out. so he,

because laundry organizations have serious sponsors who will hi, a very good lawyers. larger organizations have more substantial media capabilities . they constantly participate in various talk shows and service speakers on different platforms, both online and on federal and local channels. plus they have their own representation and lobbyists, so to speak, in the executive and legislative branches. consequently, fighting against the pay is much more difficult for the federals, therefore, they talk it organizations that in my opinion, can be crushed with the overwhelming force applied against them. and on the other hand, they send a message to everyone who has communicated with me and everyone who today supports russia's position or regards it equally. it and i didn't take leave. so just because in america, there is case law on today. if you are convicted of such nonsense, it means that tomorrow, any activist who went to cuba, we travel to puerto rico, well, who went to any country in latin america. oh, god forbid,

visited russia like scott ritter, can be immediately subjected to a search and data seizure. as soon as they step off the plane and charged on to the foreign agents, little if we're to said somewhere that russia was acting correctly, then that's propaganda again. to teens propaganda controls people, everyone should be in prison. this is the kind of democracy we have in the united states. the movie that was plus plus breast towards the end. at the same time, we see what is happening was possible door off and his detention in france. then there are the accusations that are starting to emerge against a lot musk. where do you think the west is heading? anybody weekly, of? well, they became a custom during george bush's presidency when the n a say, and all the entities responsible for spying on their own society were expanded globally with the rise of the internet. of the united states has attempted to control all information labor was because they considered and still consider themselves not only and exceptional nation, but also the head of this unit,

polar world. the washington consensus in posey certain obligations on the head, human and the head human must know everything, monitor everyone, and have the ability to over throw government's anywhere in the world. we remember the entire arab spring, which was even called the facebook spring because facebook actively helped create close groups and chops where opposition activists gather them. plan there were legal actions. the same thing happened in ukraine in 2014 the same in libya, and the same and many other countries. i won't list them all. it's well known to all of us. then there was scandals with prism snowden, into songs, published materials, and all the leaks emerged. it became clear to everyone that americans were losing the ability to come to the only information flows. a new possibilities arose, encrypted communications were created. a new messages came into existence. they are coming to all of them. essentially, their current task is to read old messages. more over reading them is easier than

what they currently have. the means to do the things i am convinced of this, and i tell everyone that telegram is being read and americans are among those reading it. but they want not just to read it, but also to control it because they see that, for example, telegram has a huge influence in russia. therefore, it is important for them. just like with youtube, to close this channel to limit that one that the to clean up this one is additionally, we need to read all the military communications. we also want to build our enhancement that without algorithms, an artificial intelligence that will analyze the information contained in these communications aggregates compile it. and we will make certain conclusions. we will even initiate criminal cases along the way. perhaps we also have activists who secretly sympathized with russia. now we will use these closed communications to bring them onto the fire a little because they might not be using their real names or pseudonyms. often roll telegram allows use as not to link their accounts to a phone number and to create multiple accounts on one device. the main task

therefore, is not just to read, but to control and have the ability to integrate these algorithms into any developing social network or messenger. stuck. a book actually wrote an open letter in response to this confession and it fully confirms this, these are requests not from republicans, but from democrats. and so essentially, somewhere within the car doors and depths of the democratic party, a plan for absolute control over information and society has matured. interestingly, they released a film that is called civil war or the phone of the empire, and i'll see it is. it precisely illustrates how the desire to control people's information. let americans a civil war causing it to fragment into 3 entities, 3 states. essentially. i think that the democrats and these extreme liberals who are currently promoting a very dubious agenda, are indeed leading america toward civil war. is the device to deal with kind of like us? what do you think will happen specifically in your case,

that you likely communicate with members of hulu and various organizations? are they afraid? i mean, do they feel they are being persecuted and that there is more attention on them now? will they continue doing what they have been doing? what are they saying? i mean, you have causal with setting you up idea of care. they do not renounce their support for russia. well, their ideas regarding the crisis in ukraine, they have the right to do so. during yesterday's hearing, there was a press conference across from the cold house that they reiterated the movement, which has a history of over half a century, has its own principles and views on various issues. whether they are few in number or not is another question board is that they have that block and their objectives within those hundreds or thousands of people who share their views. they are most afraid. they do not understand what is happening. we see that in america there is a strong diversion to ceremony. when the 1st witnesses appeared in the bowing case, i would say what happened to them unpleasant things, they are no longer alive. therefore,

when american justice cannot prove guilt of the tools may come into play, that americans use not only within the united states, against the citizens, but also abroad. they can simply kill someone, eliminate them in one way or another. and that's where process is. and because any lawyer and many experts have already been involved in studying this indictment, say that proving the guilt of a who root of the 3 people will be very difficult, even based on the evidence that the prosecution has provided. naturally, the f b i is overseeing this case. i repeat f b i. agents are primarily acting as prosecutors and witnesses. accordingly, they do not like to play games. therefore they will resort to any dirty tactics to achieve some result. what that result should be. we can only speculate because the case itself is to put it mildly strange the next on the day on us. but it was a shift and alexander eon of human rights activist, head of anti globalization movement of russia. thank you very much, and good luck. i hope you won't have to fly there any time soon. this the guys, i don't intend to, by the way,

they don't even allow me to appear in court via video conference. and they don't even allow on lawyer to appear at the hearing. how did they explain this? because i just, uh, as though they said they waiting for me like, preferably by transit through prison but, but i don't really want that. i've seen, but i don't really want that. let's start with the court's decision on a whole route and see what happens next, whether they will pursue this with other organizations and groups you've communicated with. thank you. the, the,

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