the, the mash sooner than see and welcome back to going underground will cause single around the world from the you a, if you happen just stopped by the israeli embassy and one of the world capitals arming the genocide in gaza. today you'll find thousands of you guys security forces on highlights today's protests in the british capital, follow unprecedented mass killing of men, women, and children in west asia. the u. k. states, together with its totality area, media has responded by controlling the story and detaining activists like sarah wilkinson. this all in a week where you a woman to sit on healey, double down on 320 weapons export licenses to netanyahu before a planned meeting. at around 15 and base and us occupied germany to discuss the

case, multi $1000000000.00 arming, of a ukraine that his band elections held position, bodies, and media. is it any wonder that the government of the u. k, formerly owner of the country of palestine, that is to some known as israel, is in such a frenzy to shut down palestinian solidarity by binding university protests and arresting defences. joining me from a london internal oil is a political candidate to branded a. you can secretary a will criminal live on u. k. television. she hasn't been seen on mainstream u. k. tv since fiona valley is national campaigns coordinator for the u. k. revolutionary communist party, co ordinating multiple pro palestinian encampments across u. k. universities, some of which have now been banned. fiona, thanks so much for coming on. going underground, you know, in a normal, well peaceful world, i might be asking you about the cross war of the grenville 5. what's going on the ground covered a lot when we were based in london, the whitewash inquiry too many,

but i suppose i better begin. why will you and babs tens or hundreds of thousands to be outside israel's embassy in london today? thank you so much for having me on the show. i mean, the majority of people of the pole show that the majority of people in person do not support or israel is doing, do not support even the british government's involvement in supply and funding for israel and it's genocide against the palestinians. and despite that, we have a government that is continuing to support that. and so it's important for us to consistently demonstrate that as much as we can demonstrate, actually what the false majority of people think. in spite of everything, the government has done the british government when it was left by the tories. i'm still now and it said by labor have done as much as they can to intimidate people out with protesting you reference. of course, the rest of the john, the sarah wilkinson, and the comments didn't clump down students in the incumbents. i was at the so us

and coming earlier this week talking to students who had been expelled and suspended, prevented even from graduating. they themselves saw swell appraisal, and i think at one point very, very early on, she tried to say it might be a criminal offense to waive the policy in the slide in an aggressive manner. they've tried so hard to criminalize. i'm still on to this whole movement and so it's $71.00 for us to be outlet to show that it's not lucky. and actually much to the dismay, i think it's getting bigger. yeah. so l a. bravo in that to boys johnson or wishes for that good official. i'm, i'm secretary, you called, or a war criminal. this labor government storm are unpopular when he was elected. secchia som or uh, agent of, uh, how am i 6 accused don't buy some people, but financed by israel. this whole new british government clearly funded by no

b as to israel. what, what do you make of that? i'm, it's this genocide because some media is saying no keys stumped. 2 licenses of a child killing weapons this week. i think it shows the what's happening in, in palestine today is a reflection of a global system. i'm actually what western imperialism wants to maintain across the entire region. and if your individual who seeks to defend british capitalist interest, it doesn't matter what part to your from. if you're in defenders that you were gonna end up defending israel, you can try and claim you're doing it in a soft way as they try to, you know, announce with this really pitiful, you know, waste of spending just a few of the arms and the trying to make a big deal out of this, but everyone can see through it. they are all the defend is actually of whatever america's impaired his interest on the region and the happy to go along with that.

and as a result, that justifying what israel is continuing to do, i think it's 7 full and not to allow any smugness from the la carte to you. but that's somehow more progressive in the tories. why on palestine? because it's absolutely categorically false and no one is dying. it, it makes me think of this um, this quite by malcolm x where he says something like, if you stopped me in the back 9 inches that told them i felt 6 inches. that's not progress. and then he says, even if you pull out the whole way that student progress progress would be healing the wounds of the, of the blue brakes. and the british state historically, as you've said, is so conflicts that and setting up the problems and the sufferings of the palestinians i'm still today is completed in that. and so it's really important that we don't allow the labor government installment. and david, allow me himself is also had, you know, a lobbyist science lobbying for

a long time and received money from them that they're allowed to know moral superiority on this question. i don't think anyone is buying a tool. yeah. allow me the foreign secretary, he was at a banquet with this really invested a britain to be also very who will be basically when he behind these barricades today of the demonstrations and the foreign secretary allow me said to said without you, i would never have made it to where i am, because the some of the people there at the is haley a, a function paid for his harvard, the university fees as far as i understand it, storm. i was asked by um, outgoing, so neck about whether he had informed the united states before these pitiful 3 licenses, presumably on legal advice. and so i'm saying the lawyers were going to resign. the official government lawyers were going to resign if they had allowed these particular weapons sent in this, in yahoo to kill children. what do you make of uh,

this relationship between the united states and then stomach said, image of the yes, yes, i talked with the u. s. has informed yeah, i think it shows how bryston is kind of a like a lot sold to american patriotism and american interest rates. and we'll go along essentially with what the americans says. and it also shows, in a distorted way, how even the britain once was the huge empire, that kind of, you know, ruled the way of them played this mazda role in the world stage, in a distorted way that has declined. and now they play the role of just supporting america. i think it also shows that no matter who wins, even the us selection, you know, salma, i'm even david law, me in the past, i think had made some tweets against trump and you know and said it was and he had term of positive. we know that as soon as they get into the positions that they're in every single slot into place,

and they'll continue to play the role that is necessary to facilitate west. it appeared as interest and those interests a set by america 1st and foremost, which is the most dominant reaction we pilot in the whole world. and we're seeing is just, it's just the loyal laptop to that service. whoever is sitting in the white house, i think. and clearly the complex that you're helping to organize around the country, the people that share your opinion, that you just gave me there. but does it leads who don't support the incompetence of palestine or an understanding of the levels of class warfare in your country? will they similarly switch to trump? trump wins in november, then as i speak. so as in i think that what is most useful to these people, even if they would prefer small harris to donald trump? the thing they are most stead off is a powerful palestine may have been

a powerful movement of the working class in the in country no matter what way it's going. they can accommodate any individual politician, even if they're not exactly on the spectrum. so long as that's still in the same terms. i mean, you talked about costs, will that this is exactly it? well, today in america, in person, i mean many other places i think is polarizing. i think the divide between i would say the routing cost and what cost is becoming bigger, inequality sewer and i'm political opinion is polarizing. i think it's very rare to come across someone who is this interested in politics or considers themselves just in the center. the state just credit a sense of ground is completely collapsing on palestine is very interesting because it says, as a litmus test, for where do you stand? is it with the oppressed or with the oppressor? who do you defend?

is it american imperialist interests? or is it the right for people to lift the lice, dignity, and i think the always the well bodies being expressed in various different formats and whether it's triangle, kamala harris, even the most sensible politicians in britain or whatever it is. they can see the ultimately they're on the same side. i would show up in my job as an organizer is to show as many people as possible. yeah, we are on 2 different sides and we should unite our struggles against these coming up presses. and i think the ground for that today really exists. i think it exist on it's growing, it's fast while i'm planning on giving a chance to make those arguments on the totality area and media system in britain. how important is it that the, the message you just gave me, there is no transmitted on the legacy media channels, the murdock, newspapers, whether it be the times the son, the guardian, or whatever that alone the channels you have that and that message made similarly

by politicians in the united states. yeah, i mean the main stream media and bring him as close is not going to yeah, allow the most radical voices onto it. i mean, not even just thought, even the more moderate voices you do make on every think that they say is immediately tempted or corrected by the interviewer who's discussing it. we've all seen that the interviews west, someone talks about the genocide in palestine and they're immediately told we have course israel would not claim the genocide to take the so yes, of course israel, you know, they always have to give is ro, side of the equation. the most say to my, i think what's important to highlight is why do they do this? another example is there's been a lot in the news recently about this 1000000 and mike lynch mc. leach to drowned, you know, live british bill gates on

a us people absolutely fascinated by what is taking place and talking about it and discussing it. and then discussions about all cpu up safe, you know, should this be happening? meanwhile, you know, people are dying every single day, one in britain juice, austerity, well able to, well, each person's involvement, whether it's in gaza or i should say today, you know, this week that's been discussions about the rental inquiry is now come out. 72 people to let's be honest with much because profit seeking companies and people comments and making costs. 72 people who died as a result of that. but the way in which all of this reported the distorted manner in which is reported reflects what are the interests these? no, i don't, a domestic papers and mainstream media institutions are trying to defend or what are the interest. but the trying to shape in terms of public opinion propaganda.

all of it says, whatever it is that the british government of the british leading boss needs to promote what needs to put out there. and that's why it is very difficult to get on these programs and put these ideas across. but nonetheless, we try and we continue. and i think what's interesting actually is the space and the media as a result of this, is that an all time low trust in the media is actually i'm a time later, especially in months young people. i think a lot of young people today, they don't get the news of that politics from bbc or institutions, but this, i'm not a small part. the reason why perhaps that politics is, is a bit better than what the bbc is putting out of the field of, of the, i'll stop you that more from the national campaigns coordinated with you, a revolutionary communist party after this, by the

or the, with the end of world war one, the move in for an indian independence from the british empire flared up with renewed vigor. the british responded to the growth of the national liberation movement with arrest and brutal violence. repression caused active resistance. in march 1919 at the call of mahatma gandhi, a peaceful strike began in the country. but the british responded with a new round of violence and far bade the indians to gather more than 4 people. on the day of the sea bass at the festival. a huge crowd of civilians gathered in the center of the city of i'm to start in northern india seeing base as outright defiance. general reginald dyer gave the order to open fire on the on arms people.

the barbaric execution claimed the lives of at least 379 indians, including 40 children, the youngest of who was 6 weeks old. the indian national congress considered the official figures to be underestimated and announced the death of more than $1000.00 civilians. the well known british newspaper, the morning post called dyer, the man who saved india, gave him a sword and 26000 pounds sterling as a token of gratitude for the massacre. the amorous dar massacre went down in history as one of the most brutal crimes of the british invaders, and only escalated the affair. struggle of the indians for liberation from the colonial yoke. the

welcome back to going on the right, and i'm still here with you a revolutionary communist by the national campaigns coordinator fiona valley. a few and i should say about the grand sale, a disaster that you would do by the end about one of those companies. it goes, deny it, so they murdered anyone, and that it was all a terrible accident. people can look into the greenville that fire if the, if they wanted it shows we did on on rumble the, the inquiry actually is not a legally binding. as far as i understand that even, but we'll get to your optimism for the future, more of your optimism. but there is, of course, as nature war and russia through ukraine. is it virtually impossible in britain now to oppose the u. k. u. s. u weapon reporting into ukraine for this war. and is it possible a tool to say, well, months peaceful to negotiations or any kind of settlement the worst? think, 1st of all, it's important to highlight well actually is going on in regards to ukraine,

because we should say, i mean stallman has promised 3000000000 pounds a year to ukraine. he said, for as long as it takes, am i thinking the budget? they've budgeted 3000000000 pounds each. you create up to twenty's the see. on top of that? i think the well darn close to ukraine, brisson has underwritten them. right? so if you can comp paid them back, bruce soon as liable all of this money, billions and billions, who voted for this verse $6.00 about whilst at the same time, stop on the labor and the name of politics attacking punches in the winter fuel allowance. they've refused to scrap the 2 child benefit cap, the committing to spending billions and billions for this teen claim, just to defend spending in general to things like tried. and this is a government rule and who voted for that. and he knows about that. really trudy, how far was not in the consciousness of people in britain, people know,

but suffering has taken place in the crate. i'm preaching to spend all of this kind of stuff, but that completely, i think, unaware the reality of, of what is taking place. because it's called it up to propaganda during various other things. so it's important to, to highlight this and i would say to, to broaden it out and link it to the general militarism that the government actually promotes. but isn't honest about all around the worlds. and that's why, you know, what i'm interested in is, you know, we're going to run a campaign called books, not phones. we are opposed to this ministers and this government of war. yes. through nato, against fresh. why, why is this happening? i think we've got to make people aware of it and be on a spit. it is true that the culture of criticism against the government has become very, very intense. i suppose. i mean, if you take the polish started amazement, even in a distorted way. how stormy responded to the far right riots, right. ringback is

a fascist dogs committing violence against people in this on a mass scale. so we'll start always doing a se, if you criticize akiko against this government, we will lock you up. we will have you arrested. and i think the reason that storm has been so quick to do that is because i think to some degree he is aware that there is a d r i n g a that exists in person. if you talk to anyone about their opinion about the government, it's not going to be positive. and in fact, i'd say the government assisting on a on a pallet, okay. that is waiting to expose and it could go in many, many different directions. there's a deep, i'm good that is because of usable star, t inequality watching live in standards can talk or see if the highest order from the british government. and the i'm the, is what they're trying to contain. they'll contain it in any different political said that they time what they've done to the far they also do to the left. i'm sure of it whether you're speaking out against the war and ukraine and palestine or

anything else. of course, those in these riley bankrolled, the cabinets of the british government would say, well, they did get a mandate, and they weren't explicit that they wanted to support lensky before the election. i know they got few of votes and jeremy colby knew actually last. when he was the leader of the labor policy. i mean, give us a sense of that support for ukraine because we saw flags everywhere across the country. really your vision song contest for ukraine, celebrating it despite you know, at the same time on social media, people can see the far right banners. it'd be as a fatality of the new crane. i people tired of it or is the media deliberately not covering it? hundreds of thousands of ukrainians have now being killed. i would say that, i think in the recent period and the recent general election, i don't think you crane was a major feature. i think the major political issues of the general election,

palestine with garza inequality and a starchy inmate. it is true, of course, ordinary people nice people of course assume that that's a and don't want to see the suffering that ukrainians are experiencing. of course, that is the case and i'm sure most people that you would speak to would would say that i would agree with that. however, i think people also are starting to see the what you read in the news and well, the bbc reports what the god, all of these different institutions is not necessarily the truth. i can't remember, he said the truth is the 1st casualty of war. and you've got to take everything you need with with a grain of salt. and so it hasn't been, i would say in the short time, the most dominant feature. but i think as the money continues to slo, while still stairs he continues to float,

tougher and tougher questions will have to be off to stomach. but who, what else? these questions, i'm not sure in terms of the british government as a whole, because the tories had a very clear support and sending money as much as possible and say that opposition is more likely to come from outside of the british parliament in terms of the 16 m p soliciting policies. perhaps in the us elections. i mean, i'm not asking for, you know, international gays like the spanish civil war to do save the doing yet people's republican niece and ukraine or to volunteer to help the children of gaza. but why a cultural figures in britain so silent? what are the novelist's right as composes musicians, pop musicians, artists, what, what, what is up with them? i mean, you know, certainly on ukraine, there has been some on guys, though. they're not protect physically and the music industry on ukraine, all i've seen is

a british musical figure is an autistic figure supporting the nature of war and russia through great. a good example is your was, is i know, you know, and we know on this, right? yeah, i think that's an interesting question. um, i mean, i think thought perhaps because what is happening in palestine comes across a so extreme to so many people. it feels as though the british government and the british media has really had to go into overdrive to try and justify it and try and explain it, which can push people in the opposite direction. and by comparison in, in, in ukraine it's been less intense. but i think we should, we should also wait and see. i mean, as the said, you could also talk about the complete destination at the offs in person, in general. anyway, right. the best ok is all that is truthful on all the tells the truth and but in

order to create a unique resources and actually the resources, the box is getting tougher and tougher to come across for any musician play, right? novelist or something or other, but it's a piece of, of web the next all well is i called i called about we unfortunately below or was this that she worked for him. i 6 towards the end as, as we, as we know, i mean, in the absence of any mass working process. moving to then, what about how the global south and the brakes and emerging economies can somehow help reinvigorate political space in the old, colonial imperial power written, given you paints such a di, picture of a country ribbon by and security and incompetence ended in quality. the 1st thing this points an important question because when we looked at as far as that taking place in different parts of the world or think about, okay,

what can i do here in person? what can we do about what's, what's going on? and i'd say 1st and foremost, the most important thing if you live in an imperious country, is to do as much to come to fight your writing and period is that is your main target. my main, you know, political goal is to do what i can to stop the british imperialism and british in bozeman, whether it's in oppression, overseas or oppression at home with the knowledge that if rather than a capitalist state running road all over the world and at home you had, in fact, a luck estate that was actually finding in the interest of the work is more people actually want in need. not only would that start to solve the problems at home, but also gleefully, right. if you had a state that genuinely wanted to fight in the interest of the palestinians or someone else or any of the oppressed kind of entry wherever it is or press peoples,

that is what you have to fight for. yeah, but in the absence of that kind of breaks health to those people in britain trying to trying to change britain much is a c. i a cuts out strive to help us imperialism in developing world countries. my main message and tool is the people, the working costs of every single individual country should have confidence in itself as a cloth of lane. and it's most important allies all the work because of other countries. those other people with the most capabilities actually to try and help and other people or another, or, or another country. that is my message. we're trying to appeal to the best in nature of all the talk to these countries as the way to solve the problems of the world. i think the only way forward will be through the mass movement of luck as themselves. i think clause independence is extremely important. and in this,

in the struggle, i mean, you take the palestinians, for example. and the situation in palestine has remained the same as remain desperate for a long time, despite different governments and different regimes paying lip service to the cause of the palestinians for a long time. it will require the material intervention of the masses of the wall, cuz i would say of neighboring countries themselves. that is where i see the solution. not in appealing to the governments or stand on weapons and weapons sales. just finally then we, you mentioned tara wilkinson. i mentioned to the journalist who was detained and is being persecuted right now. was gonna happen to you in the u. k. she's, she's of goes in, in britain as you become more successful. and there's those people that unites under this cause that you have any incompetence just on the pile of that nature, regardless of it, that'd be capital. this message would you expect is going to happen to you as you do best as well. i mean, it's hard to say,

i think if i'm doing my job correctly, i probably wouldn't be welcome into the research establishment institutions by any means. but i think it doesn't really matter what happens to me as an individual necessarily. what's much more important is the growing organization of amazement against not any one individual anyone policy, but the system as a whole, which is cap susan, which is responsible for the clock down on democratic rights to inequality. i'm which has been moved to all over the world the best way i would say to fight against repression. while the possibility of someone being rest or anything else is to make sure the one you have conveyed and communicated your ideas as policy and effectively as possible. that they can be taken on and understood. i'm grown by as many other people of as possible. that way you can arrest someone,

you caught stop amusement. you come stop. an idea once is rich, the minds of the masses. and that is what we're striving to do every single day, say whatever happens to me, as long as there's others out there, which i'm sure that will be given how di the situation is they called stop us feeling it. all right, thank you. thank you. a massive of the show of continued condolences to those bereaved by you k u. s. you und genocide here in the middle east will be back on monday when will speak to the founder and director of the switch institute for peace and energy research. daniel against noon for his book, nato's secret armies, operation flavio and terrorism in the west and europe. and you'll then keep in touch. why will i social media if it's not sense of new country and add to our channel going? undergoing tv on normal dot com to watch new and old episodes of feeling on the grand scheme of the

there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world will receive re, washington's best for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to help me living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask the better. the answer is will be the.