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hello and welcome to worlds apart. years of choice have long become the us as a preferred way of securing dual political dominance and feeding its insatiable military industrial complex. but never before has have had a partners so eager and willing to hold the bloodshed on its own territory. your brain volunteer to be the scene of the class of major do a political golf trans, but how much longer is the west ready to a well off and pay for the sacrifice? well to discuss that i'm now joined by as b. s donna a retired major general in the indian army darrow. it was great to see your again and thank you very much for your time. but it was speaking to you and your viewers . now is this 3rd time we are discussing the conflict in ukraine and legally you observe that there has been a south only has no toward the change in both the rhetoric and the dynamics on the battlefield. let's start with the letter. you say that it's more

a war of attrition at this point than anything else. can you expand on that? let's see, let me give a bump that's good. that earlier than the water started the obvious back. that time initially in this special ministry operation, i'm going over the water field most taken into account in a manner that could be a gift if you could. and that if you lost the game laws, that you can have very, very strong defensive against on boss. and if you pick them up the objective, then perhaps a b of the defenses would be done that as we let it immediately, but to explain it the most simple language, i would say that there is of this last big. oh, so it will sources from people on back to the gym to be able to prove that even the thought of you. and that's why those little looked like bigger. but as we did it, the was a suddenly i had all, i had

a life for the one of the people reason. because then you get into the very top area, then they don't go to bed in bed is gone. that's it pep boys. it's will up on that you and brought up casualties at the same time giving talk of him because he got a lot of infantry. so you were one of those, the very top areas, and therefore it last time that you must a why oh, why it really depends late. so it'd be better for that. i'm going to go to that from the label that involved give for that one. the other side, same is that you have it kind of one feel that it became a viable and a strong defense lame performing to the fine 10 year old when you're talking about the day you are talking about the russian leadership, the russian military leadership. right? yeah, that's right, so this was, this is all that as an operational split up. and therefore once the bank did off there was that once you are the, that's you, i don't library defense lane. and then you're going to do if you have to get your

div and then your little story of them can be a lot of it. i presume a lot of you know, if this was a lot better, you and mafia on back to sources in the manner that you will have some video review of the, of the sources at the list of the conflict. and there was a lot of casualties. animal, so you would have seen in this area in a big got it was much smaller, a much smaller where, but a lot of additional clothes. well let me and let me ask you about that. because typically when belligerents pursue a war of attrition, they tend to go well out in terms of causing the damage. and i'm not sure this is exactly what we are seeing on either the russian or the ukrainian side. i have an impression that at both sides need to bring the child or need to show that the wherever it goes on that you know, they are making gains without actually putting a lot of resources into that or without actually even um,

trying to hold onto those gains um, what's underneath the san, what sluggish or undecided war of attrition. uh. as of now is serial casualties. both sides are looking at least 10 go for that. the dental work done by reserves stand over best buy goals and uh, less of uh, one debt. uh, and therefore what is happening is that the wellness of the all patients becomes really good floor. and that is what we saw when the later part of this activity. you know, it is only last month that, but i have disposal one clicked into some extra and uh was uh, uh, unfrozen, uh by. uh, well actually the 3rd mention uh into the coast go to the gym. uh that's, that's definitely the one. but then there again, there perhaps you'll claim, as i think that it's frontline, as it becomes slightly difficult for the b, better division. uh at the same time involve

a 2 day work russian at the gym from dunbar. that does not happen. can i ask you specifically about the ukrainian incursion into mainland russian because we seem various estimates of how significant or insignificant it is on the one hand territorially, it seems rather impressive around 1300 square kilometers. but on the other side, russians seem to be very truly about it. they evacuated population from those areas and then not putting a lot of resources into, quote unquote, liberating it. how do you understand the rationale of those maneuvers on both sides feet from the show point of view. i think it makes sense that you did this on the dunbar region and compared to dog boss because they're very close to a love both of those. so if they did that, then the consolidation of done by the region would be going to is going to be just one of them off. but that's the full that is uh, should be able to, they ordered any of the forces from the them now, but i book and then be open,

save and equal squeezing. so apparently what really happened is that the movie that the renters are about to come, let's do 2 months as a visualize uh they should get good body, a foreclosed region and uh, drive guns flooded it more on the dunbar for the gym. and did often, most of it does have been that the recognition of, well, you agree and from there, from the, from the where the minute will be. but have to be easy because because of the left, apparently, you'll glenville a problem at the melbourne, but in meant by the most feel of the big it between the 2 sides. let's you as well . the 3 guys, the man bottle for you green. and the 3 in the band body is also more now, best skin supply or the us let knuckle, can supply all kinds of ministry ard. we have software, but then the fact is we want to supply the people who are the world of how you doing wrong. so that is what it didn't dawn, the tired. so keep my clear as i as

a be do like, especially since uh, as far as i understand the russian uh thinking and they have absolutely no doubt that they will be able to retake those. uh uh, russian territories back from, from the ukrainians. do you think there is any sort of any scenario in which your cream can actually hold on to the land that if it is currently occupying in, in restaurant within one once, you cannot move the kind of defenses we thought it blackboard on a gift be going to fancy, well hope professional. um, uh, if you were to call you in for the russians were done for whatever they have. dep toured any real green date because most of of 16 it month to create a library slain on the home side of the bath. as well as gripping the minefield and put into the lane of my dealer, going to add the dental nickel stipulated. but what i would against the, i mean it despite all getting into our category is,

is easy. but it big staple, very defensive, the logistics and to be able to control that the area. uh so apparently uh the rest. yeah. hes under the same on the outside. uh, in the manner that uh, if they can do the mean the bill mantle just feeling that they must get done boss, or they've been flooded over. i'm going boss who believe me, i is well established and visually without anything to do. i think that a she has that the love is mainly focused as well as your maintenance concern of it, because there's a lot that visual flips on the left. meg, not mine, of it. get this all the other ladies a to give them all that, that this girl i love the actually, um no, absolutely. for all the ones that has all apparently, then what is that gonna put you on the website to do? or did you pointed out the recently, the western narrative has shifted from put in must lose to newton las northwind.

while the commitments to ukraine have been refrained. from will support the ukraine as long as that it takes to a less generous as long as we can. what do you seeing these uh, supple shifter flats? uh see this ship to be brought by circumstances. uh, if you would have gotten oven by 8. 061 begins the stuff uh when the congress that thing uh your bedroom started thing. i already used to say have you been supposed to put in as long as the fix? and then when it got stuck, these thought there was a vehicle to hold as long as the den, as it is also related to be kind of manufacturing just investment that of as well. do you have a shelf hold? i got uh theres defense production by 400 percent. the expedite the only by 20 percent. so that is less. that was one of the reasons. now the 2nd part is uh that the biggest do simple thing must lose. uh, but now be able to realize that the machine that you don't lose, it's

a very large country with the law just at the level of nuclear weapons for losing is out of question. similarly, according to the still very much in bar, as well as also that's the concern everybody this the remaining bought. so that'll be coming out a little but under the model to be at least people that's to uh, towards the situation on good. okay. now, i also heard you say, in another interview than by large, russia has accomplished in goals and has a clear upper hand on the battlefield that in terms ofa, medium term, or long term resourcing of this conflict. is it ultimately in russia's interest right now to a, for a permanent settlement and is a permanent and settlement and possible at this point, given that the west is so infatuated with various deflection tactics, if usually, you know, stripes on agreement only to abandon them later. so does it make sense for russia to try to put an out official and to this conflict or keep it be this current low

level decided on this vehicle possibly see what was the amount on what they have achieved that she and him was that up under degree and was that they must as the parental invest on the expansion of my bu. uh now what i, what i'm not going to expand damage vendor to learned is, uh, is it them, ukraine. uh, i don't think you're just getting booted in into michael of it's a question live there, whether to get into it or not, but there is no more school to offend. now as well as border degree model. she has concern that m was that uh they must get done boss. they must have a better daughter either. mia? uh so that, uh there was a lack of what her daughter, uh, if possible. but in less than was this victim. drawn up, the brass ministry. i'm lovely green the livery level 3 and as well as betsy is concerned now as well. that's one thing that's really what is concerned. i think that a, she has a has done go through a lot of but the question is now with the most comprehensive and i don't have to be

getting not being completely in there. and it may be pretty mature as of now from the military point of view, or to go for a piece negotiation. they can still active under more well a bank of identity position. and they must get the, the, your opinions out. uh, maybe immediately off of that, so as of now they be complete. the game is not that you be able to do most of it. now if you look at the other side, the other side, if it goes what it was, you shouldn't be able to roost at the it as simple as that. so therefore they will not like to lose a band. secondly, if the american am was i had you also mentioned in the community that the water must juan de la be on, industry must prosper and the shift in flesh would go down and, but if you have a life for about flu, into europe and invest, you'd also get reduced if that was a, then build like the ones you know, the water a do that i, uh,

the dentist will do that all day or do you agree his word angel is that they lost you putting and standing? they won't mind continuing it unless it becomes going on. the go becomes the be going to be informed the other thing. so in my opinion, both sides bought and it was your trying to help you did were getting flushed. i don't think that's good. i think ross as of now, well, generally we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back to this conversation in a few moments. stay tuned. the, the, the, if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the

bottom landscapes? open up the phone lines. the water one does. can you imagine the, the discounts dodge the journey? the, the you ready to come along the welcome back to was a part with as be a spun retards, major general in the indian army general. before the break, you mentioned the issue of major, which is still the biggest allison thing the room. so to say i'm president puts in

a sub, in several of his interviews that he's american counterparts. american cousins can common go. they can say whatever they want to. but the us post curve is of the foreign countries, including russia is determined by other forces. like, for example, the military industrial complex which relies on conflicts. okay, is that smells, goes to you. if the relies on conflicts, wars of choice to sustain itself. the one that strategy that the nato's expansive has been pursued by large for 13 years now by every single american president. since bill clinton. do you think the cranium conflict will be enough? it's not terry verse and done at least the nose plans on 2nd thoughts in the minds of american leaders as to how effective that is. because clearly that strategy didn't forthwith ross who may have worked with other smaller countries with lesser

military. but it hasn't worked out with russia. yes, i agree that uh they have fish problems with that issue as what is this a study is concerned, but david is going to be a new pro, lifting it. uh, because uh, as far as us is concerned, the deep state that is beyond industry. uh that was the shock. and what items industry to flourish, the laws must happen. and do you want us to watch more happen? the person wants to be mean because it is the threat which booth is the european countries to buy american equipment? a similarly why after the data spending, if they say that it is a defensive, uh, but this is a defensive organization and that book and then uh, the reason is why they have to spend is uh, the more of the number of countries in not go more out of the, the, to byers of that on the industry so that investors are going to change. and that is

the reason why what we call f 111.03. and unless you add us it, which would have ended up with the uh, the, and the 2nd order lot. but it has been, it does one, do you want the new 2 o'clock? and i don't visualize that this test is going to go down as far as the usa is concerned. uh, as well as the other areas of concern. they've also started all the work move on to the, the china. and they're also, uh, there is a integrator degree or did, uh, and there is a, there are a number of countries which also fees are the chinese ignition. uh, is uh, the info. perfect. and those countries, again, i don't know like you onto this on the street and field farms now uh, selling arms and siding and actual war uh, 2 different things. and i'm sure you know that the rest of the military doctrine stays pretty clearly about if russia starts losing in the conventional war. it in

towns to use tactical nuclear weapons 1st. and then if it's survival as a silver and state is threatened, it has the strategic nuclear weapons to rely on and this is not just a declaration or strategy. moscow has invested diligently invested in more denies and it's nuclear potential. based on that factor, i don't understand why would the rest of the feed or even deliberate weakening be in anyone's interest? what does that create a much larger problem for the us military industrial complex because it can produce arms. but it's not quite sure i am at least not quite clear, and that it can actually slide wars, major wars with its own soldiers, with its own military person, out of the gums of smart dental that the didn't stop before a new create. i seem to start. uh so therefore what they're trying to do is, uh you'll see this conflict it to you and you put in maybe the bedrooms wrong. uh

there is a lot that's a lot of interest. yeah. and you'll get in contact under dig water, but the, because a lot of the non color did not want that water between the us leg, not the address. yeah. originally, phenomena the domain uh, particular domain or diploma did go in and the cyber domain and what was involved here domain. now the, the, the law of which there is i don't want to continue to fight. so basically, you did not play, but if they get clear to the sure beautiful some of these countries, all those companies will be forced to buy this euro is a, has one point. why is there that it was interesting to some extent of interviewing for us is literally because they have not prepared themselves or do uh, but a couple things that was the dividers. yeah. uh, as long as the information was data has been done, and that is why that it was due to a certain amount of decision making by us it. so this is the kind of situation which perhaps many going breathing being the cause of it was the word vase and that

is verified apps. uh, they will be able to, uh, sell it on the spelling of the escalation that and escalation dynamics in a manner that does not go into a new plan, auto costs on a new clinic in between usa and last year. mm hm. now you mentioned your old friend, uh it is really older as the these conflicts gaming to be being because of the very divergent views on the security architecture in europe. and those agreements are still smoldering. there's very little trade or diplomatic activity between the russian western europe, but they are still neighbors. how do you envisage them? living side by side in the day keeps to call and will it be more like india and pakistan or something else? the you going to, as me was so neighbors, little bit of india and therefore both have to boy exist angle investigative. that's a complection. now how do equally exist? uh so as what, as of what day did you like this as what is gonna show you what open concern the

practice there certainly. what do you want as it even that it is then the one is on the she is out of a be uh you will be in the still evaluation on may not be directly working directly . uh, did i feel or not the i think it was used for long as she has that as well as soon as so long. you don't need to go. this was this uh, this partnership with this partnership. you're not going to change as far as, but one thing we do certainly visualize the best of bible does deputy america with mitchell and the ukrainians. and also if you want, if they are. but it is a family that unless a portion of the comes they have subsequently, uh, they will make sure that there is some kind of insect empty in the area. they've gone boss. and this is of didn't even put of it. and this is what, in that context you might find that day we are leaving the pot, this done, that's the problem. very prophy. why don't we keep giving them warnings and things of been something mentioned to them in place. but i'm understanding that that is

the kind of relationship which we have leaving with maybe that it will give the proxy will have been restored is also brought the looks then this kind of relationship may come up. but i think the drug will be also going to change the drug of your brands and also changing to some extent or the other. i don't visualize that the. okay. and it will be exactly the same as it was here. and so it gets to be the relationship. now, this conflict is remarkable in many ways by the same ukraine's willingness to endure all of that to host on the land. this amazing and humongous horrible. in many ways, bloodshed is free to striking into these de ukrainian officials proudly describe the country as a testing ground for the most modern weapons, hoping perhaps the such a pitch would secure them and now support from abroad to me. and that's a weird type of glory um, but do you seeing it's appealing enough to keep this war going?

do you think the appetite of the military industrial, complex american, a western military industrial complex will run out at a certain point? is there a hope for that? i visualize that be meant by a problem of your glenville then all earlier then be mean military industrial complex. that even is there to indiana bought in the field on the left, were led to sell as many weapons as they can. d m all the good, which has been given through your plate and everything is not here. a whole lot of loans. i'm going to do that, you've been going to be that. so obviously there are some industries who would like to buy a 2nd to the other state and boy agreement as well. perhaps both of them might have some kind of video straight as well. so there are a lot of people, again, testing one uh, but as far as your green is concerned, uh perhaps you bring envelope or decide for themselves as to what they want to do. uh, because uh, the other ones, what were last maximum and as far as the upgrade they oh, uh, one,

do you know this one has been done? i visualize that this upper date is where to go down. uh you will be in. i have it as dr. lazy that they need to perhaps look at their interest flushed out soon as well. a number of countries are behaving in that manner. everybody is not on board . ahead of the uh, as far as the, uh, the industrial contractor is concerned to be able to do the cost benefit analysis, the debt a medical fees that they couldn't make any. and all of the out of getting the only we are losing don't. and images of the low specific itself. then americans, we level combustion because if better is up beyond the money. sure. not a don't de la problem in south china, c o 2 induct. there's also there may be a conflict on the wheels the side or who are going on on supporting the water to say. and generally, if i may ask you uh, one last question, as a former military commander, you mentioned before that demand power is the is perhaps the issue that is going to

decide the, the outcome of this conflict more than any type of weapon re. and we all assume that soldiers are ready to die for the countries. and if you have to be also hold the, the, those sacrifices will be value and that then they will be worthwhile and that people will not be thrown into. i'm a grinder for some unrealistic do a political initiative for some high minded individuals. now, when you look at the death toll on both sides, why don't you look at the rationale behind various maneuvers when you look at the level of training that the people undergo? what's, what's your take on that? how do you feel about it as somebody who i assume also have to, you know, be in charge of the sites of many people. uh see as far as, uh, be sort of the, a lot of concern. uh, i mean they're good as the administrator to fight for the country is always the

specter given us that bill beside. they are including the uh, i mean of all the country. so we recently moved and respect everybody. uh, as far as the political game i was concerned. uh now a number of times it just to happens deck up order to go game of our country. uh, auto. uh the maybe of few leaders. uh the was boot happen. and so what did you have to be able to brand? uh so uh, a little bit of this was the of the people are both of the, of the brand. obviously that your grievance people, the kind of displacements which i pick on the list of the kind of, uh, uh, and both sides. the last one that i should say, uh, a number of casualties have taken place will be the one is a costly if you had one booked, uh, as far as the deep clean demand by this month on. that is, then, is it going to be new to seasonal? uh, because uh that is making a lot of difference. uh, you'll see

a non book in an order to get an annual clean because if it does show, then as but i think on friday, the 3rd word water starts and dental show would be uh, in claim to uh through using a grid option. uh, so that did all that uh, that i think would be a deadline. uh short of that. they may allow them to use a long range weapons, etc, etc. but that, that doesn't change the dynamics of the law. i'm, is that the uh, sudley, the randeman bottom is important. the very fact is also important. and that's what is the uh, the, what i was concerning a deck is also because the just lot of other like, uh, independence is, uh, is it deals with everybody. and that is wonderful if you have that 5 day 4 of the problem is uh somebody else who does say that, okay, you can say that, okay, well, that thing was overnighted even numbers. yeah. but the lady is so much worse dish to us and all that you will do bill, but then the other one plan,

your other boy presented to not only the only parties but also the vision. uh so this one is also what i need to do. i do have to divide the one's own entity. so these are the big which. but that's the a, you claim you guys produce $115.00, philadelphia that $3.00 to $5.00 people that 8 was otherwise. well, hopefully they, they will sooner or later fight for their own cause. this is the only thing that can actually solve this conflict, the police, the, in my view, but we have to end up here. uh, thank you very much for being with us today. thank you. thank you. it was a pleasure talking to you. i'm thank you for watching. i hope this hearing young on was a part the

the tides washington, a cue. these all tea of sewing this food and to visit rushes deputy envoy to the us and say it's the allegation stem from the over this tunnels global viewership on this refusal that has been mainstream narrative. the current us administration is absolutely not interested in americans having access to any alternative point of view, since archie is still a very popular channel in the us and around the world. washington is trying to direct its anger, specifically at r, t and other russian news agencies that are trying to convey the truth. we think a deep dive into the rims of so called russian this information cases the west is.