in the world as a part was of choice have long become the us as the preferred way of securing dual political dominance and feeding its insatiable military industrial complex. but never before has of has a partner so eager and willing to hold the bloodshed on its own territory. you're printing volunteer to be the scene of the class of major, do a political golf trans, but how much longer is the west ready to a well off and pay for the sacrifice? while to discuss that i'm now enjoyed by as b. s donna a retired major general in the indian army darrow. it was great to see your again and thank you very much for your time. but it was speaking to you and your viewers . now is this 3rd time we are discussing the conflict in ukraine and legally you observe that there has been a subtle, he has no toward the change in both the rhetoric and the dynamics on the battlefield. let's start with the letter. you say that it's more

a war of attrition at this point than anything else. can you expand on that? oh see, let me give up on that's good. that earlier than the water started the obvious back . that time initially in this place, you on the left 3 alteration i'm going over the water feels most taken into account in the manner that the deep of gift to any. you claim that if you lost the laws that you claim had been very strong, defensive against on boss. and if you try to be objective, then perhaps a b a, then defensive. would it be done that as it let it immediately, but to explain it the most simple language, i would say that they believed it'd be forced to go so that will sort of brumby belong to the gym to be able to feel that even the thought of you and that's why those are the big one. but as we did it, the was a suddenly, i'm headed back a life with what is the reason?

because then you get the videos and they don't want a fair in that is gone. that's it. peppers it's will have one that you and brought up there you are. these are the same timing. talk of him because he had a lot of infantry. so you were one of those, the very top areas. and therefore, it look point that the must of why, why it really depends later if you have to, they have to florida. and when they were that from the label, what they did the 5 give for that one. the other side. same is that you have to be careful so that it became a viable enough strong defense lame performing for the fine 10 year old, one of your talk about day you are talking about the russian leadership, the russian military leadership. right? yeah, that's right. so this was, this is all that i sent operations split up, and therefore once the bank did off there was that once you are the, that's you, i don't library defense lane. and then you're going to do if you have to get your dave and then your little story of them can be i to ship a lot of it. i appreciate

a lot of, you know, there's a lot of it you and mafia on back us was this uh, in the manner that you were asking. did you want to be of the, of the sources at the list of the conflict? and there you was a lot of casualties animal. so you would have seen in this area in of they've got it was much smaller, much smaller where but lot of edition closed. well, let me and let me ask you about that. because typically when belligerence pursue a war of attrition, they tend to go all out in terms of causing the damage. and i'm not sure this is exactly what we are seeing on either the russian or the ukrainian side. i have an impression that both sides need to pretend or need to show that the war effort goes on that, you know, they're making gains without actually putting a lot of resources into that, or without actually even trying to hold onto those gains on what's underneath the

sun, what's sluggish or undecided? war of attrition. uh, as of now is save on cars where these websites are looking at least 10 go for that . the dental work done by reserves or stand over best buy goals and uh, less of, uh, one debt. uh and therefore, what does that make is that the wellness of the all patients becomes legal floor and that is what we saw when the later part of the 2nd year. now it is only last month that but add disposal $150.00 and some some extra. uh, was uh, unfrozen, uh by uh, well actually do the dimensions uh into the coast collision. uh, that's that, that goes one. but then there again, uh there perhaps you claim as a thing that it's frontline, as it becomes slightly difficult for the deeper duration uh at the same time involve a 2 day work russian at the gym from dunbar. that does not happen. can i ask you

specifically about the ukrainian incursion into mainland russian because we seen various estimates of how significant or insignificant it is on the one hand territorially, it seems rather impressive around 1300 square kilometers. but on the other side, russians seem to be very truly about it. they evacuated population from those areas, and they're not putting a lot of resources into, quote unquote, liberating it. how do you understand the rationale of those maneuvers on both sides? feet from the ocean point of view? i think it makes sense that you did this on the dunbar region and compared to the on the bus because they're very close to a my phone calls. so if they did that, then the consolidation of done by the region would become easier to be just one of the game off, but that's good for that is uh will be able to work at any of the forces on there uh them. now if i book and then be open to nicholas collision store,

apparently what really happened is that the movie that the windows are above the complex it 2 months and they realize they should get the body of both of these them . and i have confronted it more on the dunbar for the gym. and did i put it? most of it does have been that the recognition of well, you agree ma'am, from there, from the, from the where the minute uh will be. but have to be easy, because because of the left, apparently you greenville a problem of the men bought in men fighters the most feel of that because between the 2 sides of their shows, what the 3 guys, the men bottle for you claim. and the 3 and, and body is all to more now best again for player the us let not going to play all games. well, ministry ard, we have software, but the fact is we want to supply the people a lot of work to fight doing wrong. so, so that is what it didn't dawn that died. so keep my clear as i, as a we do like,

especially since uh, as far as i understand the russian uh thinking. and they have absolutely no doubt that they will be able to retake those uh russian territories back from from the ukrainians. do you think there is any sort of any scenario in which your cream can actually hold on to the land that if it is currently occupying in, in restaurant within one once, you cannot move the kind of defenses without a blackboard on a gift. be going to fancy, well hope professional. um, uh, if you were to call you in for the russians or don't or whatever, they have captured any real green. typical, almost about 6 to 8 months to create a library defense lane on the home side of the back. as well as creating the mine field that printed the line of my dealer. going to add the dental and the different state related. but what i would against the, i mean, so its thing, uh, getting into our category is, is easy. what its big spine bull bears, defenses,

the logistics and uh, to be able to control that the area. uh so apparently, uh, the rest. yeah. it has uh the name on the website uh, in the manner that uh, if they can do the mean the data being to get the that they must get done, boss or the front gone gospel premium is well established and visually without anything to do. i think she has that the least mainly focused as well as your maintenance concern. uh did it because they thought that they would flip some development in the amount of it get the letter i used to give them or is that the best deal? i have not uh actually, um, no, absolutely, for all the ones that has all apparently then what is that gonna put you on this type of move or did you pointed out recently the western narrative has shifted. thrown, put in, must lose 2 beaten last month when uh, while the commitments to ukraine have been refrained from,

we will support your crate and as long as that it takes to a less generous, as long as we can. uh, what do you think this uh, supple shift to reflect. see this ship to be brought by circumstances. uh if you would have called. oh, then back 8. 061 begins the stuff. uh, when the congress, that thing. uh your bedroom started thing already used to say the bill suppose do you agree and as long as they fix and then then it got stuck, the starter thing really to hold as long as the den, as it is also related to the kind of manufacturing just investment that of as well . do you have a shelf hold? i got their defense production by 400 percent. the westport. i got one like 20 percent. so that is less. that was one of the reasons. now the 2nd part of the deck . yeah. they used to simple thing must lose. uh, but now be able to realize that the machine that you don't lose, it's a very logical, agree with the law just as

a little of nuclear weapons. so losing is all the question. assuming that me, according to the still very much in far as far as all of us, the leaders, i'm concerned everybody this the remaining bar. so that'll be coming out a little under the water realistic, but at uh to uh, towards the situation on the now i also heard you say in another interview, then by large russia has accomplished in goals and has a clear upper hand on the battlefield. that in terms ofa me durham term, or a long term resourcing of this conflict. is it ultimately in russia's interest right now to a, for a permanent settlement and is a permanent and settlement if possible at this point, given that the west is so infatuated with the berry of deflection tactics. if usually you know, stripe some agreement the only to them by them them later. so does that make sense for russia to try to put in as i say? so, and to this conflict or keep it be this current low level to decide on this vehicle?

possibly see what was the amount on what they have achieved that she and him was that up under degree and was that they must s the print, the restaurant expansion of my bu. uh now whatever not to act to expand damage vendor to learned is uh, is it them, uh, ukraine. uh, i don't think you're gonna get included in into michael. uh the check list of them i've been there to get included or not, but there is no more school to offense now as well as bothered to gleam over. she was gonna turn them back in. was that uh they must get done, boss. they must have a way to do it right. the game. yeah. uh so that, uh there was a landlord or uh, if possible, but the bus was, is victim drawn up. the brass ministry on lovely green, the living level 3. and as far as betsy is concerned, now, as far as walking underwater is concerned, i think that a she has a has done very little plot. but the question is now with the most comprehensive, and i don't to begin not being completely in there and it may be pretty mature as

of now from the military point of view, or to go for a piece negotiation. they can still at the more well back of identity position and they must get the, the, your opinions out. uh, maybe immediately off of that. so as of now they be complete. the game is not that you there, but you most of it. now if you look at the other side, the other side, or if it was part of it was you shouldn't be able to who standard to be used as simple as that. so therefore, they will not like to who is it a by, incidentally, the american am was as you also mentioned in the country that the water must one, the la be on the industry must prosper and data shift and pleasurable down. and, but if you have a life for a month full of into europe and invest, you'd also get it reduced. if that was a, then build like, don't want the, you know, the water a do that i, the dentist will deal that all day in or do you create his word angel that

a lot of you putting him standing, they won't mind continuing it unless it becomes economical or becomes a be going to be informed. yeah, definitely. yeah. so in my opinion both sides bought and it was huge and helpful and he did were getting flushed. i don't think that's good. i think ross as of now, well, generally we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back to this conversation in a few moments. stay tuned. the no better place to be in the village in the sun. most beautiful features is purely anarchist in the sense that there are no authorities within the city. everyone is their own citizen. half the people are here because of them the rest, the go and the other half here because they loved the place and there's nowhere else they'd rather be than here. but i don't, it's hard wonder, explain. you just have to experience labs. and by doing that, you have to live here though, this lab right here in lagrange this is one of the dining halls. it was

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the welcome back to was a 4th with as b. s donna, a retired major general in the indian army general before the break. you mentioned the issue of major which is still be the biggest allison thing, the room. so to say i'm president puts, in a sudden several of these interviews that he's american counterparts. american cousins can common go. they can say whatever they want to, but the us post curve is of the foreign countries, including russia,

is determined by other forces. like, for example, the military industrial complex which relies on conflicts. okay, is that smells goes to you. if the relies on conflicts, wars of choice to sustain itself, the one that strategy that the nato's expansive has been pursued by large for 13 years now by every single american president. since bill clinton, do you think the cranium conflict will be enough? if not to reverse and done it please, the nose plan some 2nd thoughts in the minds of american leaders as to how effective that is. because clearly that's trying to didn't. 4th rush, i may have worked with other small or country smith less or military, but in housing voiced out with russia. yes, i agree that uh they have fish problems with that issue as part of this study is concerned, but uh they will continue processing it. uh, because uh,

as far as us is concerned, the deep state that is beyond the industry that was the shot and put onto the straight to flourish. the laws must happen. and even if the watch won't happen, the person wants to be mean because it is the threat which will says the european countries to buy american equipment. uh similarly uh, why actually the spending, if this is the defensive uh, the but this is a defensive organization and that book and then uh, the reason is why they have to spend is uh that more of the number of countries in not go more out of the buyers of that on the industry, so that invest is not going to change. and that is the reason why what we call s 111.0 with 3. unless you add us it, which would have ended up with the uh, the end of the 2nd order lot. but it does mean it does one. do you want the new 2 o'clock?

and i don't visualize that this in test is going to go down as what is uh you assistance on uh, as far as the other areas that are concerned, they have also started all the work move on to beautiful china and did also uh there is a good or degree or did a, as there is a, there are a number of countries which also fees are the chinese ignition. uh, is uh, the info benefit. and those countries, uh, again, uh, i don't know like you onto this on the street and feel farms now are selling arms and fighting and actual war. uh, i think different things. and i'm sure you know that the rest of the military doctrine stays pretty clearly about if russia starts losing in the conventional war . it is how's to use tactical nuclear weapons, 1st them down. if it's survival is the silver and state is threatened, it has the strategic nuclear weapons to rely on and this is not just the declaration or strategy. moscow has invested diligently invested in more denies and

it's nuclear potential, based on that fact. or i don't understand why would the rest of the feed or even deliberate weakening be in anyone's interest. what does that create a much larger problem for the us military industrial complex because it can produce arms. but it's not quite sure i am at least not quite clear and that it can actually slide wars, major wars with its own soldiers, with its own military person, out of b. m. but it comes out of smart then. oh oh, that's the didn't stop before a new create actually into stocks. so therefore, what they're trying to do is, uh you'll see this one click it to you and you could in maybe the bedroom. uh there is a long desk, the water between the restaurant and you'll click on that kind of big water, but the bigger the water, the longer did not want that water between the us leg, not the address you originally put on there, the domain, uh, particular domain or diploma i did go in and the uh,

cyber domain and information while i'm here domain. now these are the goals, which there is i don't want to continue to fight. so basically you did not play, but if they just cleared it up at the house. yeah, due to some of these countries listening basically for us to buy this europe is a, has one for the summit in uh, it would be a little for us is only because they have not prepared themselves for me. uh, but a couple things you said or full for the pedigree or dividers? yeah. uh, as far as the information was, data has been done and that is why that it was due to a certain amount of decision making by us it. so this is the kind of situation which, but ups many companies in the, in the past, if it was over this. and that is the eps uh, they will be able to uh, sell that off by the still uh, pbs collision that, that, and the escalation dynamics in atlanta, there does not go into a new plan, a 100 possible the new clinic in between usa address. yeah. mm. hm,

now you mentioned you are a brand uh it is really old here as the base conflict, gaming to be being because of the varying divergent views on the security architecture in europe. and those agreements are still smoldering. there's very little trade or diplomatic activity between the russian western europe, but they're still neighbors. how do you envisage them living side by side in the day keeps to call and will it be more like india and pakistan or something else? the you're going to was me was so neighbors the and therefore both have to exist, angle exist or better. that's a compulsion. now how do equally exist? so, so as what is of what type of july it is as what it's gonna show you what open concern the packers this certainly, what do you want as it even that it is when the water is on the she comes out of a be a european that is still buying unless you know, it may not be directly working directly. uh, a bit. uh,

the feeling is not the i think it was used for long as she has that as well. is there as long as you don't need that as well? is this a, this partnership with this partnership? you're not gonna be gauge as far as, but one thing we don't do certainly visualize that as barbell does deputy america, little mitchell and the ukrainians. it also me a few of the family that on the upper ocean view that comes, they have subsequently, uh they will make sure that there is some kind of insight in tea in the area. they've gone boss. add this into the mtv quite a bit. and therefore in that context, you might find that they are leaving the spot, this on the problem, they're being brought to the water and we keep giving them warnings and things of bits of dimensions. uh to put them in place. so uh, but not the standing that, that is the kind of relationship which we have living with. um, maybe uh that it will give the proxy. well, i've been restored as also across the looks the stand up for the relationship. pick them up. but i think the drug will be also gonna change the drug, the vehicle,

and also changing to some extent on the other. i don't visualize that be okay. and it will be exactly the same as it was earlier. and so is the case if we did relationship. now this conflict is remarkable in many ways. by the i thing, ukraine's willingness to endure all of that to host on the land. this amazing and the humongous and horrible in many ways, bloodshed is, is pretty striking into these de ukrainian officials proudly described the country as a testing ground for the most modern weapons. hoping perhaps the such a pitch would secure them and now support from abroad to me. and that's a weird type of glory um, but do you seeing it's appealing enough to keep this war going? do you think the appetite of the military industrial, complex american, a western military industrial complex will run out at a certain point? is there hope for that?

i visualize that be meant by a problem of your glenville, then i'll earlier then be mind military industrial complex. that even is there to indiana. got in the field on the left were led to sell as many weapons as they can . uh, the amount of id which is being given to your claim. everything is not here, a whole lot of loans. i'm going to do that. you've been going to be that. so obviously there are some industries who would like to buy a certain the, the other state and boy, okay. man, perhaps both of them might have some kind of what he understood as well. so the interested in was uh, but as far as ukraine is concerned, uh perhaps you bring envelope or decide for themselves as to what they want to do. uh, because uh, the other ones, what were the last maximum and as far as the every day. oh, why do you know this? what has been done? i visualize that this upper date is where to go down in europe and i have it as dr . lazy that they need to but look at their invest. flushed out soon as i saw

a number of countries are behaving in that manner. everybody is not on board ahead of the uh, as far as the, uh, the industrial contractor is concerned to be able to do the cost benefit analysis, the debt a medical fees that they couldn't make any. and all of the out of getting done. we are losing don't, and it is, uh, the, it looks as if it gets up, then it goes to the level combustion. because if there is, does not belong to the money. sure. not a don't. the problem. and so tennessee all to invest. there's also, there may be a conflict on the move the side or who are going on on supporting the water to say, i don't know if i may ask you uh, one last question. as a former military commander, you mentioned before, the demand power is the is perhaps the issue that is going to decide the, the outcome of this conflict more than any type of weapon re. and we all assume that soldiers are ready to die for the countries. um here we also hold the, the,

those sacrifices will be valued and then they would be worthwhile and the people will not be thrown into. i'm a grinder for some unrealistic do a political initiative of some high minded individuals. now, when you look at the death toll on both sides, when you look at the rationale behind various maneuvers, when you look at the level of training that people undergo, what's, what's your take on that? how do you feel about it as somebody who i assume also have to, you know, be in charge of the face of many people. oh, see as far as be sort of the concern. uh, i mean, they're good as it doesn't. it shows the site for the country is always the specter given us that bill beside. they are including the, i mean of all the country. so we recently opened respect to everybody. uh, as far as the political game i was concerned. uh now

a number of days it just to happens. that was a pleasure to go game of our country. uh or uh, maybe of few leaders uh the water will happen. and so what we have to be able to brand. uh so uh, a little bit of these will get the people involved to be at the brand, obviously that your grievance, people, the kind of displacements which have taken place. uh, the kind of, uh, uh, and boats. i do also on that assurance. i have uh, a number of casualties have taken place, so the, the water is uh, costly if you had one booth. uh, as far as the, the dream demand part is concerned. that is then, is it going to be a new professional? uh because uh that is making a lot of difference. uh, you'll see uh not to get an order to get an annual clean because if it does so, then as but i think on friday, the 3rd word water starts in denver. she all would be inclined to do using a good option as well. that did all that uh that i did on the other line. uh,

so i know that they me allow them to use a long range weapons, etc, etc. but that, that doesn't change the dynamics of the problem is that the, uh, certainly the plan demand bought is important or the very fan is also important. and uh, as well as the, uh, the, what i was concerned a deck is also because the just lot of otherwise, uh, independence is, uh, is it deals with everybody. and that is what this will be and that might be for uh, but the problem is, uh somebody has to say that okay, you can see that, okay, well, that thing was all the different numbers. yeah. but the lady is so much worse came to us in all that you will bill, but then the other one plan the, well i presented to not only the parties, but also the vision. also did it is or is also the idea of $25.00 being one's own entity. so these are the big which, but it's uh, are you kidding me as produce little 15, but that really if i do, what about 8,

was that otherwise? well, hopefully they, they will sooner or later fight for their own cause. this is the only thing that can actually solve this conflict. the priest the in my view, but we have to end up here. uh, thank you very much for being with us today. thank you. thank you with the be, i'm thank you for watching hope this hearing young on was a part the what is part of the the employee would posted isn't the deepest you of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present good,

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