complex designs in ukraine, the electoral consequences of the medians of puppets, his capitalized victories warranty war parties in france and germany. joining me now from boswell in switzerland is dr. daniel against the founder and director of the swiss institute for peace and energy research. his latest book is usa, the ruthless and by following on from is seminal history. nato, secret armies, operation, claudio, and terrorism in western europe. thanks so much talk again, server coming on the show. you know, before i even started, before we get to the trump debate and the decline of western europe, i'm going to have to ask you because view is will one to, if they bullet to use, we get paid year suspicious sites in its own right. i have to keep re editing my entry why? why does what can you call you a conspiracy periods if anyone's watching and quickly looking up dr. daniel again, so because i questioned 911, you know, i say we were not told the truth about the terrorist attack of 911 and i say world

trade center 7 was blown and up by control demolition that was not hit by a plane. and ever since i've set that might be compared to entry has just gone from bad to worse and i, you know, i don't, i don't edit it anymore. it's, it's beyond my control. so yeah, you know, i don't know when it's just 911 wednesday of course of the 25th anniversary. i don't know whether it's just that. i think it's everything you're writing. sounds like a conspiracy, doesn't it? because of clear from the old book, nato secret armies that any military industrial complex systems under trump pool harris will continue to revenge west and your, the since operation. glad you. and before, to be democratic. that's what a lot of people that suspecting just remind us about the operation, i'm glad you know, because it's not your book is not on the school curriculum of western european con concept. and i think i'll give you a sideline book. people maybe hear that you don't know about it. what is operation? glad to hear by the way it's relevant today or yeah,

i mean i can take it step by step this my ph. d. i wrote for years um that on that book and at nato obviously is the greatest military alliance. and in terms of size, it's 32 countries rise. now, during the cold war, it was much less, it was 18 countries, and nato always said, you know, we just prepare for a soviet invasion which never came during the cold war. and then a secretly busy i and, and my 6 set up, stay behind armies in different countries of western europe. and they need to look at this secret. army was called glad you know, and it was exposed in the year 1990. that was the year when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, and some people have paid attention to it. but most people have not noticed that. and when it came to life was a scandal. because nato add to confirm that they operated secret state behind armies in many countries of western europe. and you actually come through that,

you know, you comp, you call and have a secret army. and in a democracy it's just the legal. you should always, the parliament must always know who is in the army. how big is the army? what's you know, what's the weapons supply? did these are the secret armies. the armies today in remedying the 10s of thousands of us soldiers in germany or the people in there, all the bases, occupying great britain. this is something else. this is using our or isn't something you know? yeah. the secret army just we're located in italy, in frogs, in germany. they even had former and right wing extremists, which served under hitler who were then integrated in german secret armies. and they were not officially known and an entity, the italian and boston to ne, tried to confirm that in some terrorist attacks the arms caches of the secret armies were used to the secret armies were officially linked to terrorism. and the terrorist attacks, you know, that we come into conspiracy is, i mean, conspiracy success, they basically are, you know, an agreement between 2 or more people to carry out some, you know,

sinister act without telling anybody else. and everybody's spinning to political analysis for some time now is that you know, ever since the murder of caesar, it's julia caesar to have been conspiracies. and i'm glad you was a big conspiracy. i'm and the nato still today doesn't want to talk about it. but, you know, i'm a 100 percent positive that it was, it existed. so nato secret arm is existed. there were set up ca and i my 6 and they were linked to terrorism. in saying this, i think this, the i a does is makes it today, but i suppose the relevance here is do you think that that created be for a child ground in which to make western european countries today believe that they are fighting for justice when they support the as of fatality and in ukraine against russia. the chapter headings in your book, the u. k. italy, france, spain, portugal, belgium, luxembourg, denmark, new way, greece in germany, all the democracies are supported by operation. i'm glad you and i'm a 6 and,

and c. i a, so all those countries obviously, notable for supporting zalinski. i mean in all fairness has to be said that most people in western europe have no clue about this. but most people in united states, if you ask them what is glad deal with, i've never heard about it. so it really is, i'm only a highly specialized people in history and political science and some courageous journal as to who know about operation. i'm glad you, and i'm people on the streets today. if you ask them about ukraine, it's the same problem. i mean, people think the war in ukraine started in 22 with the invasion of russian of russia, its invasion into ukraine. and i always tell them, you know, in 2014. and there were snipers on the, my don, which is the important space. and keeps where a protester is met with, you know, a policeman. and i tell them, look at the 25th of february, 2014. and you will see that snipers killed both at demonstrator and,

and policeman. and that's called strategy of tension. and i've seen things like that in my research and operation, claudio, so you can always create, have ok, you can always trade k os by telling both sides and then withdrawing very quickly. but there again, i realize in germany, switzerland, australia, where, where i give a lot of public talks and you know, i'm connected to people here. i'm based in switzerland. people go like, all, no, i con i, i've never heard that. i don't think that and are you sure. 2014, it already started and it's just, it's just not in the news and when it's not in the news, people think it doesn't exist. and of course it's banned that kind of information explicitly by the european commission. yeah. and the in britain by censorship authorities, you had endorsed r f k junior, who uh, whose family. so it. and he knows enough about conspiracies we, we've already had the candidate trump shots in the head, in a, as estimation attempt to pull this as an agent attempt so suspicious of course,

but this, this was also suspicious. i mean, do you think a given r f k junior has said similar things to what you just read about the real causes for the war in western europe. they may have killed hundreds of thousands of people in ukraine. do you think the same in my 6 and c i a forces are on standby in case trump, but wins in november to be, i mean, you were shopped in the air and i don't believe that the secret service was not aware of that person. you know that that person who was shooting up there in the road, if you comp, we don't actually have a situation like that where you go like, oh yeah, gee, there wasn't man on the roof with a gun, but we were just too busy with other projects so we, we couldn't check that this is, it does make sense. so it really was a stand down order. and robert kennedy junior. yes sir. i would have voted for him . had i been, you know, american, i'm obviously swiss and that will not,

but it's not anybody in the us selection, but robert kennedy junior and has a very deep understanding of international politics. give him the fact that his father was killed. he knows that conspiracy success and his uncle president john f kennedy was killed. and robert kennedy junior now is that the us was involved in the over throw of the ukrainian government in 2014. there are other people in us like john mercer time are an excellent man and he knows very well that the us actually was in devolved into 2004 to included with victoria. and you will and playing a key role. also jeffrey sachs and other excellent man and you know then you're, you're not, i don't all those people are being ongoing undergrad in reason to in recent weeks, but then i'm very got are the people that does suggest that they've those same glad your voice is decades on us bill, they're powerful enough uh to, uh huh. we've, as i said, we don't know about the assassination attempt on trump. it's not even coming in the

so called the legacy of mainstream media ritual for golf. now, since the harris suddenly became the candidate, i mean, the actually on that doesn't surprise you that you know why it is that no one learns from history that we've been through is that brooder and kennedy, and john f. kennedy and all of that. and you had something happens early a month or so ago and it managed shouldn't be quiet and down all ready. there's always, you know, warren commission or anything like that. but we're going through it again. yeah. i'm but that, that's the thing. i mean, they try to battery information that is inconvenient because if you, if you go through the data on, on the trump assassination at 10, then i think the 1st thing that is clear is that has been really shocked in the air . and it was really close, i mean the air is very close and you can cut up the item that they and then and then the 2nd thing is that there was a shooter. and the 3rd thing is that the shooter was taking that in by snipers. and

the question then obviously comes to everybody who goes i how come this guy could find them that roof, sit there and, and shoot the trump. how come the secret service did not stop him from doing that because that's the job of the secret service. and the thing is that you always have a command post. so if somebody see something, you know, the information would go to the command post in the command post, but then react and say, okay, there's a shooter on the roof. and then would say whether whether shooters and they would track, they would not say, well, we're not sure whether that gum as already below that. let's wait a 2nd or let's leave the drum, make this very important point in his speech. no, you would immediately, you know, take down the present and say there, there is an army get man on the roof and he would just take the president down and, and guide him to a secure location. all of this didn't happen. so that's a me. and it looks like a stand down, which means and mix basic are order within the corrupt secret service, not to protect the president on that day. and then, you know, i,

i don't have the facts, i just look at what happened then i saw that there's something very wrong happening in the united states right now. i mean, daddio was so strategic, it's successfully destroyed mass movements, political parties, a millions of people, and less than you are off to the victory against knots, isn't. it was successful. the strategic you destroyed, move, constructed, face, left, doing terror organizations and all the rest of it. does this kind of thing, show the desperation, the assassination attempt on term binding of media in a country with the 1st amendment. the banding of meet here in western europe. the signs of desperation is nothing is strategic and as clever as we saw under uh, uh the, the great or someone say evil leadership of the heads of c. i a and the security services in the fifty's. and 17 what i would i really see. yeah. without, without really see with, with, with the nato countries, you know, within the 32 countries they're led by the united states. i see

a certain degree of decay, but it's becoming worse and worse. i mean, you know, we, we obviously had in the fifty's, we had deal with our own the government in iran, in 53 of the most. i think that was a ca and i my 6 of pricing we had in 54 with the a reserve. the government thing bought them. all of our bands who was the elected president, got them. although we obviously had crimes and in vietnam counselors crimes, people were killed and tortured. we had no referrals to governmental, jaden, 73. so you know, there's a long, legit, legible, legacy of, of operations. the bay of pigs invasion, attack them to bind 1960 wong. the attempt to kill see the cost for which went wrong. they couldn't kill him. so you know, that's been many, many crimes and but now i think people give them that we have you to give them that we have in the ground doing that. we have the telegram, isn't that we have, you know, all sorts of, of, of, of communication people try to find out about these things. people have tried to talk about it. so the information more is going on. and what i think is very

interesting that people that talk about what was the curse girlfriend said, you know, on august 6th, was this just the landscaping fading russia, or was this new and i stayed southern, you're daniel daniel again. so there's rumble as well. i'll just stop you, but we have to go to a break more from the founder and director of this was institute for peace and energy research after this, by the, [000:00:00;00] the,

the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the world landscapes open up before your eyes, the last one does,

can you imagine the, the discounts dodge the journey, the, the, you ready to come to the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the founder and director of this was institute for peace and energy. we said shop to daniel again, so i ins are up to do a doctor again. so in the one, when you talk about co ask, which is the most recent uh, offensive via zalinski is a british a you us, um, to forces opponent in the, in the propaganda media of the west in europe and asia countries. yeah, yeah. you, we, we took it, all right, but coming back to that point, i'm, you know, on rumble and instagram and tell her from the other channels. it's obviously

a very easy to debate. what was going on before this invasion really started. and if it was just and a decision by present savanski and it was a purely ukrainian oppression, but could also be that the british and the americans. so nato countries used so lensky to attack russia and that, you know, during the cold war, it would be, you know, on think about that made to attacks. the us is art because it's a, it's a, it's a nuclear power in the us as a nuclear power. and the rule has always been nuclear power should not shoot each other, carried interest its soldiers and having visions on, on their territory. so. so this is really a new quality, there are new drama. they are unfolding. and boy, is it a bit like the proxy armies? enough count as done when the united states sample, which would be those who would become those who launch the $911.00 attacks as the mainstream narrative would have it. um, you know, this has been done before. so put in doesn't have to respond as immediately as you might suggest from what you just said as regarding it being unprecedented. or,

yeah, i mean, i don't even have the facts. you know, i don't even know what this was purely savanski or with this was biting through to the landscape. i mean, uh who, who i mean if, if we, if we, if we see but buy it and even confuse it, the names of savanski and pretend at the, at the last name. so i'm going to move on to transfer just the landscape. and he said, this is a good thing, i mean united states and very confused situation because of all this jack solid room, for instance, doing a and to me blankets of the, the, the curse of offense. if it's something that is being debated heavily and you're right, we can draw the conclusion that it's somewhat similar to of calling this done in 79 because the ca set up um, you know, radical muslims in enough cornerstone in 79 already in summer. and then in winter, in december as i'm to 9 this through the, the russian invasion of those of kind of sun, which was an angle. but it was again triggered by the ca, who armed and which i, deans. and then which i, deans later,

burned into all kite on the summer. been logged in, so i'm, yes, the caea is using all sorts of proxies and, and ukrainians are a proxy used for us in paradise. cause what's really different here is a cause where you're talking to me from switzerland because even in the 2nd world war, i mean anyone is read primo levies books. and isaac's is the fleeing. nazi germany is a jew to freedom in switzerland. we had the former ukraine, they to official, and so it's kind of jack bodes on this program. and i tried to ask him, he was not a just expressed his frustration. what do you think your tech told me to be from basel switzerland is no longer a neutral country. clearly it hosts conferences on peace without all the policies. uh, what do you think of it abandoning it's historic neutrality. and what does this with people think about the fact that switzerland is a defect to, as you know, i mean the free, it's not military, it's on

a geo political target though. if the global south, the breaks the emerging. well, that is a bonus. i mean, i'm just very sad to see this. i mean we have this conference in switzerland. uh it was called a peace conference and they only invited ukrainians. they didn't invite the russians. i mean, you can't do that. i mean it's what, what could i say? it's just, it's rosemary sat very sad and it's obviously wrong. and on the, on the neutrality issue, you know, switzerland and has a population of 8000000 people. so we're, we're right, small country and, but we had a note say in this, i mean, this was compliment, i am on october 24th at 2022. that was the day the russian invaded ukraine and said, okay, we'll stay neutral and we'll see that we can talk to all sides. and then only 4 days later, and this was foreign minister. it you cannot to cost you said at, okay, we're, we're taking over all sanctions of the european union so,

so we actually go in an entry in economic war against russia, and that's the day switzerland laughed neutrality. it was the 28th of february, 2022. and i think it was a huge mistake because switzerland is not a member of the european union. and these were not sanctions, which were, you know, being supported by the security counseling in new york by united united nations. so switzerland has no, no reason to can to, to do this. and i, i talk to friends and say, oh, why we shouldn't do that. we should stay neutral and they said, yeah, but this is the legal invasion. and then i said, well, when the americans invaded iraq, that was also need a good invasion. we didn't start and you can all make war against against us. you know, when germany bombed uh, serbia 99th, i was illegal as well. we didn't, you know, start the new economic war against germany. in fact, neutrality is an idea that you come and start the new economic war against people who do the legal things. you just stay neutral, you say ok the ca over through the government thing to you. if that was the legal,

the russians invaded in $22.00. that was a legal we stay neutral. and so i think it's a huge mistake. but what we will have is we will have to vote on that issue. i'm not, i'm not sure whether you're aware of that, but we can have and we can force the vote. it's called an initiative. you collect the 100000 signatures. people did that. i support that, and we're going to have to vote on whether it's the that's what someone goes back to being neutral. i don't, i don't know when the boat will be, will probably be in 252020 for me too late. then i'll give you a, but, you know, unlike glad you and the previously i am isaac's operations. what was behind in the 1st place, this abandoning false neutrality, use it actually a product of a lead class warfare in western europe, the elite in switzerland or out of touch would be so it's population. similarly mackerel, out of touch with the french population sholtes, i mean, katie, to polls here will easily just storm are in, but they're all completely out of touch with their populations. i think so. yeah,

i think many, many members of the executive are not in touch with what their populations really think. i mean, if, if you look at germany, germany has 616 states or on this land. but as you call them and tube on this land, the which is tutoring and sucks and they just had another action to few days ago. and the point is that the nano of the ruling party, i mean, the green party is ruling and in germany, the social democrats, the red parties ruling and the escapade which the 3rd small party, their ruling in berlin. and none of these 3 parties which were present the german government right now, we're making any good results. in fact, they were, they were all shattered. and the stay and the base varied as benton sort of ok. nice made, made. it made a lot of points and it's still, you know, a point being discussed in germany, but it very much support your, your,

your analysis that actually people don't trust the ruling parties anymore. and in switzerland, people, i mean people have different perspectives, but not many people. i still think the majority ones, switzerland to stay neutral and they don't like this miss government to throw neutrality away in the context of new brand new to yeah, i mean, what's next, man, i mean, you mentioned germany, we've had to our website to officials from them the european problem and one, i mean even the japanese f t, as in volkswagen considering closing factories in germany for the 1st time. and it's 87 year history. what happens for those powerful elite classes as the economies of western europe collapse on the altar of this war, a proxy war against russia through ukraine? how will they be able to control the anger in the streets? it will be very difficult. i mean, if you look at the situation of germany right now, it's a country with the 80000000 people earning obviously the capital,

but they have the north stream pipeline blown up. and that was a very important supply of gas gas coming from russia, going into germany and giving in germany cheap energy. and now it was blown off on the 26th of september, 2022. most people remember that one and the other 2 stars circulating one story by seymour hersh, which i think is the correct story, is the joe biden us presidential by and gave the order and the see, i carried it up. so that's the official and that's the story i believe and. and jeremy didn't react. it was like, oops, united states has carried out a terrorist attack against jeremy and german chancellor off shore and said nothing . you just said nothing. and the other story which has not been circulate by the wall street journal, which i, i don't believe that story, but it's, it's as circulated in august 2024. and the story was, know the ukrainians did it so. so lensky did it, and then saw using it his chief of staff and the c. i is giving

a completely new role in this well straight story. and the role of the ca then is it warrants lensky not to do it. so it was like, don't do it, it's not a good idea, but it's an antique carrying it out. so the shift is the blindness being shifter from joe biden to, to landscape. but if you, if you look at these stars, i'm everybody i signed it and have to estimate up their own mind. but jeremy continues continues to send weapons to so landscape. and so it's like these think he blew up your pipeline. and then if he has, why do send weapons or do you think the americans blew up the pipeline? then why don't you criticize joe biden? so it's really, it's really and it's very strange. you know, jeremy is not there. they're going to say anything. then of course, harris colors was in that administration up to the motto, coal street journal read is to decide how given people who want jaren's, we would say, how much about that. just finally, you have talked about the tragedy of ukraine. obviously, hundreds of millions of people in western europe will pay the price for this in

terms of poverty, but they've paid for that lives in, in ukraine. and you compared it to the off to the aftermath of the vietnam or the aftermath of, of the us proxy was when everyone wakes up from the nightmare. yeah. because in, in vietnam, if i, if i just may, you know, that's also in my book process. i'm 5 did not, i'm sorry. i mean, it was the soft me. it means killing the noise to be it's amazing north with me is getting this app is amazing. the end there were 3000000. that means that another $58000.00 us soldiers who, who were also there and the story was that united states and decided with the size of it. it's amazing. we bought the ne me, it means and when, when day less than $751975.00 us less than to be at. i mean sort of broke up and said, why, what are we telling each other, this crazy you're my brother. and i hope that ukrainians and russians will come to the same point at one point. you know, the british and americans would withdraw off the weapons, they will withdraw and add the financial support,

and they will withdraw their advisors, military advisors and that that point ukrainians will realize and russians will realize that they're still neighbors. they will always be neighbors. it's not, you know, ukraine is not going to be neighbors, brazil and russian is not going to be a neighbor. i don't know if australia is so their, their stock from the geographical situation, their stock. and that was the same for north inside smith. i mean, they were, you know, they were still there when the americans left and i hope and that people in ukraine and people in russia. i understand this, but they're both then brothers. and that they have one certain point we must find a way back to peace. talk to daniel again, sir. thank you. i think so i don't have that set for the show. i'll continue condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in west asia. i will be back with a brand new episode on south of angel. then keep in touch 5. will i social media if it's not sensitive and you will country and have to our child going on the grantee and rumble?

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