he has always said that as far as the ukraine conflict is concerned, india is on the side of these. unlike the west, india has been fixated or finding might be not to solutions unlike you need that to solutions say for example, the switzerland, the summit to which in that was invited for in fact intervened in just 5 minutes. that was also invite to the full that the sell me stuff by you creed in this. so i'm going to sit in on go he did send to the presentation, but india did not sign on that join communities. now when a prime minister window was seeking to me saying a few weeks ago over the phone, he did tell him that he will attend diseases and stations. and that's nbc. we're talking about here. we'll come with a piece and so forth. this is very interesting. see what to visit with boys, but of course we know that present food in some time ago had said that a dog's invite or the bodies including india,

to find solutions to this conflict. so luxury, you must lose them. so we respect our friends, your partner, who i believe are sincerely interested in resolving old issues related to this conflict systems. these are festivals. the people's republic of china is can brazil, india. i am constantly in contact with our colleagues on this issue and i have no doubt that the leaders of these countries we have trusting relations with them. sincerely strive to help sort out all the details of this complex process. immense system which the know engine for. i'm going to send the reason was he was in moscow several weeks of walk age was labeled that with this by that and see as a huge disappointment. but even after that, so i'm going to send the range of all the deed was to go to keys. and a really what im does had on its mind is how best to find solutions to the conflict . cindy, i was basically going on to say that the only solution to this conflict is to

dialogue and diplomacy. something that the prime minister window said during and even oscar is russia's visit. recently, i traveled to russia for a meeting with vladimir putin. there also, i have said this in clear words that any problem is never solved on the battlefield . the way to a solution lies only to dialogue, to diplomacy, and we should move in that direction without wasting any time. both sides will have to sit together and find ways out of this crisis. i want to assure you that india is ready to play. it's an active role in every effort for peace. if i personally can contribute to this, i would definitely like to do so. so of course it's been very clear on that. no, we india back. the continuation of this war india never has on india is fixated on a finding a solution here. so this was a, by, in the end is see a jeep the wall to rush on the next few days, of course is going to be very,

very short. this somebody's guns off ahead of the mean brick summit, which will be held in cars on a laser to know doable. assume they vary a significant visits by india. we'd see if this helps to the, to the following forward the one in the daily. so it's about decades on top topics, we'll discuss it between unimportant and i'm his guess on the news additional that's to why you want to get it done on c throughout the day. but for now, is there a preview or india or i show the relationship is not neal. i think it's, it has a long history behind it. the reason of this morning do you have sort of created us with a great deal of paternity. they have looked at our national interest a number of cases where in the security council resolutions, etc, they have come to i have which is why today you'll see in the i sort of refuse to outright click on them rush actually doing that. you can watch. we have continued

to pick out either due supplies and military, the coupon from the lot of law western countries are not really very happy about either too much the best. and some countries want us to be always submissive and not so brilliant because i think this all see, you know, here in august on i 2 countries knew that, um they sometimes feel that, you know, data behavior is irresponsible. and it could lead into a much larger sort of conflict. we know how to do a pain. we have been living with this situation since independent and side until that is a great deal of maternity and when we carry out the end, we are the civilization. yeah. on a do means if you see that so yeah, sometimes it's really, really angry with me and that does notes and things like that. they

all the sort of condescendingly, yeah. behaved. to address that. and are you what i, what i think that, you know, we have clearly stated that what we will do is in our national interest, the 51 thing will be back out of the top of them. ringback the as we know how to do a thing i've been leaving with this situation since independent and the negative that the india would leave with 2 months to do sions all that is all on the side, they sion of like feel patients and i'm going to sort of pause is this, the other one, the kind of when it typical point that we had blocked from russia. i mean, the article thing wouldn't have come from anyone else just directly, you know,

really i job, do it professionally. and i think that is the source of great satisfaction, the to hello and welcome. my name is on a problem. kid may come to the show better for the next hoffman odd or we will be talking all the things in the part of the very special guest is a former northern army commander, known for it as distinguished service and expertise in military strategy and national security. they come left and another defendant thing already. thank you. so i, that was also a way the way it over here. so also on a to be talking to you left in a general depends are seeing who the is a highly decorated former indian army officer with a career spanning 40 years he served as the northern army come on to from 2014 to 2016 overseeing to 2016 surgical strikes and practiced on other key military

operations, particularly in jumbo and kashmir. he's also served in the united nations mission in ethiopia, and eritrea. after retiring, he contributed significantly, shaping india's national security strategy by leading a congress of pointed task force to develop a comprehensive security doctrine in 2019. so i grew up with the amazing patriotic feelings. wonderful. uh, and whenever i see an army officer, i feel like that'd be good. i was born after the ideas of independence. do you see the same fashion for army and now among the common people? yeah, there is. so are the, i mean, if you, if you actually look at the way that it goldman drive, these are out of handling the numbers of people who come up that kind of enthusiasm, that is there to the guy in the g forces. and i think over the years what has not weakened is this, you know, the see pause, pride in uniform,

the desire to do well. so, i mean, these are, these already shows that really i think you, but i mean, really consistent then very good. i isn't even for the motivation elected to and the and so colored glasses. it was amazing. so, so bad. so when you go for it training made to do, do you finish reading? so i, it was exactly 16 year old when i joined the national defense, i got to me and i had to hold while you on the phone, but i was 60 years old. i mean almost all of my life as being in uniform and you would, you would also not the 1st person from the armed forces in your family. in my family i was my father was in the army. my little brother was in the army. so this leg goes out of natural progression that, you know, he's, you hold so that the guy in the, our, but did you want to do something else? or you were happy to be here, you know, just just out of school and then straight into india. and nice, all that near the g mind it's yes, it is amazing. it's unbelievable. it means a made elective. huh. so the, the to at 2500 people get,

it's sitting this great. first of all, uh i, i usually use a lot of human in my speeches, but to do it like that. so after the whole thing about the commodity said, it was a successful lecture. i said, no, no reaction. you said nobody sleep, nobody slip. yeah. i think it takes me through all the major success. that's amazing. how successful and support are 40 or draining the t as in t, as in india, and then we do one year that i mean that of them. so adult, do the training videos for you as a new one in june can for the very, very important period of us. yes. how help. i just want to understand in a, in a situation that when you have to deal with people who are the enemies of the country and you have to strategize, what goes, what is the one point that goes on in your mind? so basically, i think, you know, that is i and you have

a clear objective in the military that you have some listed to me. and i think that's remains that are for most of the all you have planning to do what objective is very objective is to bring these finish out there to them and you're going this way, then all your actions are deal or the accordingly with that, with that single minded focus and object not to good 70 obligation has really helped us if that's it. as we do elaborate all sorts, as you know, while and staples have significantly very significantly come down, i think the narrative that the india were delivered to constitutions which really wasn't possible within the state. you mind have gilmore and actually you having a separate constitution and the separate constitution for the country. some separate this tendencies, that dental is because of this different constitutional arrangements. i think all of that has all that, all that is all gone. and then there's some people who sort of, we are in a free country, people have a, of opinion about everything. but what do you personally feel when somebody

criticizes in the country? look, you know, you obviously, uh you obviously sort of feel bad about that. when i think we have professional enough to understand that, you know, as long as you keep doing on your company, but that time you are still not going to the sensor. no, i said personally, sometimes you feel hot. i mean i, i was responsible for planning the surgical strikes. yes. i remember and later, you know, there was some questions raised us to do that actually happened medic. yeah. i'm phone traditions. yeah. so the position, the business, the new, the new really bad. what are they said? i just do it the, you know, really i job do additionally, and i think that is a source of great satisfaction for you. you have spoken or you know, how to, against politicizing military operations. what kind of damage do think it closes people inside. they shut off with a tree, obligations, the damage it sort of causes this, the are wonderful. i still have them when you started sort of taking decisions

based on what do you think is politically correct rather than on what should be professionally the right way to go. which is, i think on this for the university among the trees and which is why they keep themselves away from politics. is that good? good order, peter, to obtain started sort of impacting your professional approach or the, i mean to get a professional opinion that the political leadership that sometimes gets him back to. and if you have any visibility, show sort of political leading and what is the role of media and they're going to the media today and particularly the, the social media. and you know how it is, lots of misinformation this information. but again, as i said, as uh, as professionals and just i'm sure it as, as you will do it in, in the okay. yeah, is try and sort of a, detach yourself a little bit and try and sort of see the truth. not always easy, but that's how it is. i do think that to be

a control on it and nothing should control on it. that has to be some regulation of the social media. i mean, you just cannot let it carry on the way it is. and then some people talk about freedom of expression though there is, so i, i'm, i'm, i'm not saying we should apply. i'm don't know, i'm with you. i have yes, definitely. i believe that what you're saying is absolutely some, some, some sense of regulation. some of the regulation and i think the social media platforms are also understanding that because their platforms are also being misused by a lot of people. and so i think some regulation is so nice to meet required. do thing in this in, on the part of and on alignment. so uh, i think we have framed into friendly at all and we are saying it's pretty easy, a good autonomy that we will do things which i did not best national interest. and we are not going to get a lined or become allies with one part of it and, and you'll see that because it is growing ties when the us i'm

growing tired also with the restaurant because we feel that whatever actions we take, if you have to buy a new supplies from russia party that moved, i've seen a national invest and we will do it. so that's, that's not a thought which we have been following. and really i think is, is right now some people say just a little. so i don't know on stuff put on to what was on there like mendota. yeah. who do you, you've created for this balance on the ground. it has to go to the political leadership and the people that they have. and we have a very small and you know that my understanding foreign minister, he's being in diplomacy for all his life. and so uh that he, i typically the way he positions in the stands and the way he's able to clearly explain it. oh, i think we have a, we have a, we have a good fight. i'm going to stay it today. we, we, we do a lot of, uh, we have a lot of budget for roger defense forces. and i need to do that. it's a required thing because we have set under advice. some people it was okay to you

look at the what your challenges i was to go to the gallon is so you have focused on on one side which since independence has shown affility towards india. and we fought 3 plus one for the wife's almost been with them as we have now, somewhat slow, i just found a neighbor in china, which since 2020, you know, has been sort of attempting to use military caution on an unsettled load up. and then you haven't done and say go to the shows your mortgage way, the northeast. and so they just have acquirement of adequate forces to be able to deal with these challenges. and that automatically translates into a defense budget that permits feel no need to sort of have the ability of the size, but also a quickbook properly. so that is capable of meeting and selling is about the subject of the strikes when people by saying that they actually happen on the did

not happen. um, this is my personal curiosity. why it wasn't it sort of toner than the faces of those people who was saying it that this is so. so let me tell you, i mean, the, frankly, when these things started coming out, i was personally of the opinion that and we had videos, we had big chest, which subsequently what do you lose by the government? i think after, after almost any or so we did bibles a little bit at that time was that we shouldn't put these out so that i need all the track tubs. and people like saying, how's it happened? not only, not only from outside would even values time say you're not doing well then for the next bill there's no other thing. i said, nothing is happening at all. nobody has come. so i, i, anyway, but you know, that was the decision that the government look at that time, not releasing though they did that later. but as i said, my personal opinion, was it going to be done? i knew in june, given this whole patient listing. yeah. so i was the, i'll be going to that. yeah,

i know that i said, i want to ask you so many questions about the board. all of that. do some planning, the whole the planning for the legal side was done in my headquarters. it would be yeah, and we were responsible for that and how much time did it take to plan it? so actually the planning started off the give us a little believe about. yeah. so the trigger for the surgical side was the back on the when he got us in after the and the bag, i'll know the guy to send the base on the 18th of september. and i think very quickly of the political leadership, military leadership, we all got together and decided that we need to respond to this. and we need to respond strongly. we can adjust for them to fight and say when say we will do anything in nato and tennessee. we go down to the previous government and none men going to yeah. and then what happened? yeah. that we had to go across and strike incomes, which i didn't focus on that issue. so that decision that they said was operating on the operation,

rented on the night of the 28th. so within 10 days we had planned, selected the people i launched them across and it wasn't a single operation. so i know that's what we would just be made. oh yeah. so if you chose one thing that nobody can actually we went across and multiple places. okay. yeah, starting from across the movies into across catch me. so we had on the same night, we launched 5 operations and how much time did it take to complete these operations? so we went and so it was at night we started just after it became quite a more waiver you at that time i wasn't much as i was in my head board, a lot of room was on the you know, yeah, it was, it was called an operations room and we were getting the, the feed from the u a b, then drawing we just up in the me. that feed was coming to my headquarters and we are watching. couldn't really see what people got. i was when we were watching. so we went in uh and by about 7 in the morning, everybody was back, so it was, it was

a night opening the bicycle. we did not name it at all. okay, so you've already gone to the box to go to t and that the information about it, they should not leak out. just a handful of people in y headquarter austin. you know what? i mean, not everybody didn't know about it. and so we decided deliberately not to get with the name of other people, so i don't know our name then to rice what it is, and you wouldn't gloss in touch with the parameters to do it up. and i will start blissfully in touch with the prime minister. that was then i say you need any. yeah . yeah. gave me the chief of all of the stuff. okay. yeah. was i was in with them for. okay, let's see for the for why we start with the navy. right. and yeah, he was, he was briefing that ridiculously and lot of the rest of the country is about not really very happy about either too much, like you to do your best. and some countries want us to be always submissive and not so brilliant because i think this how i'll see, you know,

here in august on i 2 countries, nuclear um they sometimes feel that, you know, their behavior is the responsible and good lead into a much larger sort of conflict, we know how to do a pain via being living with this situation since independent and side until that is a great deal of maturity. and when we carry out the end, we have the civilization. yeah. on not the means if you see this, so yeah, sometimes it's really, really angry with me and did the editors notes and things like that. and they all, they sort of condescendingly, yeah. behaved. to address that. and are you what i, what i think it, you know, uh, we have clearly stated that what we will do is in our national interest and also the country has progress a lot. 70 looking the 5th largest economy in the was, i think that is a growing state chap politically, diplomatically,

economically. so i don't think got, you know, those boss pains and people who look down on you and to say whether this country, i'll spend the button as well even so i love the, you know, as a single entity. i think those times i don't know a very, very calm the same thing it's, i think i'm sure it's or the peter of is that you have it and you how i mean people also automatically choose the right words it's, it's sort of impresses me and baffles me on so there's not a single word between what, which is the lose i have to think about a 1000 and thing don't maybe i'm given my dialogue and i feel like i obviously have . yeah. you have to live 2 lives, i guess if exactly. oh, i have lived 545. yeah. yeah, that's yeah, i didn't have, i just had a strong military bond. how important and its relationship. i bought it in the rush of relationship is not new. i think it's it has a long history behind it. there's

a great deal of consistency in how russia has come to india as age when requires, i mean 71 war for example, you had the kind of military equipment that we have worked from russia. for example, new kids have marines that they lead us. i mean, the article thing wouldn't have gone from anywhere. it is. and so there is a great deal of history behind the tie order. the reason of this morning me, is there any particular this? as i said, as i said, it's because they have sort of treated us with a great deal of majority. they have looked at our national interest and number of cases where in the security council resolution the test drive, they have come to, i hope there was a to deal friendship and 1971. so in the american, uh, yeah, across carrier sale in uh, into the, there's a male thing on the sort of pressure that of the us. and then we will finding the

bottom of the schwab. it was it so that i sions who sort of came to i hadn't been said, we are there, so don't get, don't get pressurized by, by the us. and so i think there is such a long history of, of deals dies. the fact that they have looked after our national interest, which is why today you'll see the india has sort of refused to outright click on them rush actually doing that, you can watch. we have continued to pick out either of these supplies and will it be the coupon from them. and what is the make in india program done for pilots ministry? but let me, let me put it this way. today we have the largest arms important in the wide. mm. okay. and yeah, and the other biggest sounds important in the was the accounting for almost 10 percent of global arms and boards. and if you want to be an industrial and scientific power list and then we'll have to follow this situation,

obviously is not good. and so we need to develop, i don't indigenous capability. and i think the push that has been given by the government is excellent. and they have said that slowly over a period of time, you suddenly get on google or defense industrial base from the ground up within india. but the policies that they have put in place, the processes that they have within place that slowly the villain does an ice and be able to produce ad on um sending copeland i think, is an outstanding initiative. will it happen quickly? maybe not. but the project and direction is optional to share. so i'm saying in the next 5 success, you will see a strong enough defense industrial base and, and i think it's an excellent initiative. why the government, they are completely telemundo bush and you've said that citizens that often for water and in the national security now to do what do you mean by that? see i, i go to a national security strategy. and one pillar of died was predicting

on people the wind i'm making is not shown to go to d is not going to be early about it. it's important to predict about us to make sure i think those figured is good. but i mentally, as the citizens of this country and why i am saying of protecting them is because you have, you shows like jobs you have, it shows like environment, time of change, how it is going to impact uh, organization is going to take place, but i'm going to move from you know, what it is when it goes to towns, how would you provide them the set of facilities that they need this also. so i think they should follow me in and to group out of how we look at our national security, which is why i said don't people also must be in the hospital 5 the scores and discussions on, on national security. yeah, that's, i do, we mentioned, but also it is even the detritus attacks the country. right.

the increased completely and there was a into them thing sort of idea. so this is the political build things do. absolutely. i think you have the credit in this galvan for the approach that they have taken against terrorism within the country. and that's why it is focused on his concern that, you know, we need to be tough on this. and i think it's, it's working. as you said, the number of data, the setbacks within the country has reduced out of the way they were happening all over the country. not only and double encourage me. yeah. even within the on where they find that for that has. so the pressure, i think that the government has applied politically diplomatically in international circles. and the fact that there is some really nice to use military force against bach. hassan, you don't of the n t take some more risk. and i think that that policy is succeeding. this is my personal personalized question. before that we finish,

it's shot them. and the do, the condensation has happened, do or not this we are in that time the biopics are made on army generals and the kind of book that you have done if you are biopic was to be made or if you write dinardo bag of that for you let me put it like that. what would you call it? the book that you write about your life if you ever taught. oh, that's the that's a difficult question. a to watch what i call a good i see a lot of the army officers army done those. i think the mom was now i already have and you have a very distinguished video and um for so i have and i, i don't know. so being with on or something like that, is that what i would say? okay, yeah. any particular actor you have in mind to apply to the 2nd you i think the rest of us with this quote you are being and so when is that a viable for going on with them as well? so that's amazing. thank you. thank you. lift engine independent, single. got thank you so much for that and thank you for watching. join me next

week as we unco out a new lead. and yet another debate and let's talk about it. i'm of them kids, goodbye. the if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the landscapes open up the phone lines. the last one does, can you imagine the

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them died. it was incredible genocide. the good. so if i live near a vote for more him coming down a hard on the details since for us to do that. so i'm finding present biting, dismissed us, no warnings. meetings of 13 service. one thing to over i said, and emily size is where the f one gains tom is considered to at least 18 people leave both of them for the wounded. well, we will see a serious threat is to defend hills very human rights that the west always probably brings up on any issue in this case. then i am convinced that we will easily agree on the place inside of the meeting process top together by itself, by resolving the war a new quite often a thing in the gulf states count about and say comes as most.