now is so massive that private investment just won't cut it and well, you know what that means. time to reach into the pockets of the much put upon european tax there once again. but hey, why don't they don't want to, because they've had enough of paying for all the screw ups as some recent european elections would suggest. well, here's the javi with a plea to the violence. but why do we care so much about all this? that's one question. i asked, why do we care so much about growing? yes, we have to find these needs. and these, these are important. but why are they so important? where they are important because they have to do with our phone, the values, prosperity, equity, freedom, peace and democracy in the sustainable world. and do you exist to insure europeans that they actually will benefit from these, from them in the rights stand?

if you can no longer provide them to these people, did you live last? it's reason for b. okay, so they blew a bunch of cash and de regulated the economy for ukraine, but now they need europeans to be ok with handling over even more cash to these clowns because it's totally for their own good. this time they promise and here's cleaners. so to add her $0.02, let's not forget that to be competitive. we need to be resilient. we have gone through multiple shops in the past us. and we've been working on building more robust industrial valued chains, especially when it comes to security of supply key concepts here. access to critical raw materials to essential components, strong energy and digital grids, just to name a few. so bottom line is talking about supply security and drive is also saying

that the, you need more friends, ones that happen to have a ton of resources that they can covers the up to preferably. and he's also saying that some countries are already trying to do that on their own, but it would be better. he says, if you took charge of it, because these nations kinda winging it on their own, are missing a chance to punch above their weight with the power of the you. or maybe they'll just use all that power to punch themselves right in the face with the you. if the blocks recent performance is any indication, right. he was one of the iconic figures of the 20th century, more than a decade out, but he's death. monument has been on veiled in moscow to the 1st post, a potties of african liter, nelson mandela of the towering monument. the cast in bronze was erected on the square and named in honor of the nobel peace prize, where it set to be

a symbol of the important ties between russia and sub africa, and even the entire african continent as well. my deadline 1st came to russia in 1999 a month before the end of his presidential tub. of the way you can guess all the details of all the stories will follow you not. you did come right back with more stories. a couple of the, the hello and welcome to the cost of boulevard. here we discussed some real in the we know how to do a thing here. been living with the situation sensitive and the negative that the

india would live with 2 months to reduce and all that is not willing to cite lation of with a tree alterations that i'm gonna get sort of cause of this. the other one, the kind of the typical project we have luck from russia. i mean that the corporate wouldn't have come from any of it as part of the weekly of, you know, really a job do it professionally. and i think that is the source of great satisfaction, the to hello and welcome my name is on. if i'm kid, welcome to the show. better for the next hoffman honor, we will be talking all the things in the auditor. the very special guest is a former northern army commander, known for it as distinguished service and expertise in military strategy and national security. they come left and another dependency already. thank you. so why so, so why do they it over here?

so also on a to be talking to you left in a general depend to seeing who is a highly decorated former indian army officer with a career spanning 40 years he served as a northern army come under from 2014 to 2016, overseeing the 2016 surgical strikes and practiced on other key military operations, particularly in jumbo and kashmir. he's also served in the united nation submission in ethiopia and eritrea. after retiring, he contributed significantly, shaping indian national security strategy by leading a congress, a pointed task force to develop comprehensive security doctrine in 2019. so i grew up with the amazing patriotic feelings. wonderful. and then what i see, and i mean off is that i feel like that'd be good. i was born after ideas of independence. do you see the same fashion for army? you know, among the common people?

yeah. do this or the i got it. yeah. if you, if you actually look at the way that it goldman drive, these are out of handling the numbers of people who come up, the kind of enthusiasm that is there to, to join them. and every 4th is, and i think over the years what has not weakened is this, you know, the see pause, pride in uniform, the desire to do well. so, i mean, these are, these are issues that really, i think he bought. i mean, really consistent then very good. i it isn't even for the more device selector to india and so i thought it was, it was amazing. so, so bad. so when you go for the train, the way did you do you finish reading? so i, it was exactly 16 year old when i joined the national defense, i graduate and i, they moved right on the phone, but i was 60 years old. i mean, almost all of my life as being in uniform. and you would, you would also not the 1st person from the armed forces in your family, in my family, i was my father was in the army, my little brother was in the army. so this leg goes out of natural progression that

utilize you home. so that the guy in the hour, but did you want to do something else or you were happy to be here, you know, just just out of school and then straight into it and the, and i saw the near the g mind it's yes, it is amazing. it's unbelievable. it means a made elective. huh. so the, the, to a 2500 people get. it's sitting this straight, 1st of all the i usually use a lot of human in my speeches, but to do it like that. so after the whole thing about the commodity said, it was a successful lecture. i said, no, no, the action. you said nobody's sleep, nobody slip. yeah, i think this takes me through all the major to success. that's amazing. i'll fix it . yeah. it. yeah. and then it's a pull it off 40 or draining that t as in t as in india. and then we do one year that i mean they're going to adult draining . redeem is for you as a new one in june can for the very, very important period of us. yes. how, how i just want to understand in

a situation a bit, then you have to deal with people who are the enemies of the country, and you have to strategize. what goes, what is the one point that goes on in your mind? so basically, i think, you know, that is i of you have a clear objective in the military that you have some listed to me and i think that's remain. so for most of all your planning to do it, objective is very, a big deal is to bring these finish out there to them and you're going this way, then all your actions are deal accordingly. with that, with that single minded focus and object and not a good reason on the application has really helped us with that. it has to elaborate all sorts, as you know, whilst it was, have significant be very significantly come down. i think the narrative that the india were delivered to constitutions, which really wasn't possible within the state. you mind, have you mind actually having a separate constitution and

a separate constitution for the country? some separateness tendencies that dental is because of this different constitutional arrangements. i think all of that has all that, all that is now gone and then there's some people who sort of we are in a free country. people have a of opinion about everything. but what do you personally feel when somebody criticizes me in the country? look, you know, you obviously uh you obviously sort of feel bad about that. uh, but i think we have professional enough to understand that you know, as long as you keep doing on your company, but that's on your accident on. so going to the 1st 70. no, i said personally, sometimes you for you. hi. i mean i, i was responsible for planning this. i did go strikes. yes. i remember. and later and you know, there was some questions raised. i still did it actually happened credit? yeah. i'm fine additions. yeah. so the position isn't that new with the new really bad. what are they said? i just do it the, you know, really a job to do it professionally and uh,

i think that is the source of great satisfaction for you. you've spoken to you all to against politicizing military obligations. what kind of damage do you think it closes people in the site? they shut off with a tree, operations, the damage it sort of causes this. the other one, if i still have them, when you started sort of taking decisions based on what your thing is, but a degree correct rather then on what should be professionally the right way to go. which is, i think i understood universally among the many trees and which is why they keep themselves away from politics and that did good motivator to obtain started of impacting your professional approach. i mean we, i mean, to give a professional opinion to the political leadership that sometimes we have some back to. and if you have any visibility, show sort of political leading and what is the role of media in integrating to the media today? and particularly the, the social media and you know, how it is, lots of misinformation this information. but again, as i said, as uh,

as professionals, i'm just, i'm show it as, as you will do in the okay. yeah, is try and sort of a detach yourself a little bit. i'm trying to sort of see the truth. not always easy, but that's how it is. i do think that to be of control on it and not for sure to control on it. that has to be some regulation of the social media. i mean, you just cannot let it carry on the way it is. and then some people talk about freedom of expression though there is. so i'm lines. i'm not saying we should apply . i'm don't know, i'm with you. i have yes, definitely. i believe that what you're saying is absolutely some some, some sense of regulation, some of them under regulation. and i think the social media platforms are also understanding that because their platforms are also being misused by a lot of people. me. and so i think some regulation is a nice i to meet required. do you think india is still in the pots? something on the line, so i think we have framed a different lead all and we are saying it's pretty easy. good on to me that we will

do things which i did not invest in actual interest. and we are not going to get a lined or become allies with one part of it and, and you'll see that because it is growing ties with, with the us. i'm going ties also with the restaurant because we feel that whatever actions we take, if you have to buy a new supplies from russia party that moved, i've seen a nation in the us and we will do it. so that's, that's not a part which we have been following and which i think is, is right though some people say it's just a link to sort of the lines templates to what was on alignment early. yeah. talk to who do you, you've created for this balance on the credit has to go to the political leadership and the people that they have. and we have a very small and you know that my understanding foreign minister and he's being in diplomacy for all his life. and so that he, i took lead the way he a position in the stones. and the way he's able to clearly explain it. so i think

we have a, we have a, we have a good fight. i'm going to stay it today. we, we, we do a lot of, uh, we have a lot of budget for roger defense forces and my new to do that. it's a required thing because we are surrounded by certain people look at you look at what your challenges are to go to the challenges. so you have focused on, on one side, which since independence has shown affility towards india, and we fought the 3 plus one for the wife's almost been with them as we have now. i'm what's largest, all the neighbors in china, which seems to, i need or indeed, or has been sort of attempting to use military caution on an unsettled load up. and then you haven't done and say go to the shows your mortgage way, the northeast. and so they just had a requirement of adequate forces to be able to deal with these challenges and that

automatically translates into a defense budget that for me to feel no need to sort of have a i'm going to tell the size, but also it could put properly, so that is capable of meeting and the challenges i'm on the subject of the strikes when people by saying that they actually happened on the did not happen. this is my personal care to sit there. why wasn't it sort of toner than the faces of those people who was saying it that this is so? so let me tell you, i mean, frankly, when these things started coming out, i was personally of the opinion that we had videos. we had big chest, which subsequently what do you use by the government? i think after, after almost 10 years or so, we did bibles a little bit at that time was that we should put these out so that any, you know, the track tubs and people who are saying hasn't happened. not only, not only from outside would even values time say, yeah,

i do. i've done part of the next bill. now. i didn't say nothing has happened at all. nobody has come. so i, i, anyway, but you know, that was a decision that the government look at that time not releasing though they did it later. but as i said, my personal opinion was it could have been done. i knew in june given this whole patient that's taking place. yeah. so i was the, i'll be going to that. yeah. i know that i want to ask you so many questions about the board. all of that. do some planning, the whole the planning for the subject of the site was done in my headquarters. it would be yeah. and we were responsible for that. and how much time did it take to land it? so actually the planning started off the give us a little believe about yeah, so the trigger for the surgical side was the back on the what he got as an accident . and the dog, i know the guy this in the place on the 18th of september. and i think very quickly of the political leadership, military leadership, we all got together and decided that we need to respond to this. and we need to respond strongly. we can adjust for them to fight and say when say we will do

anything in nato and tennessee. we go down to the previous government and 9 men. 20 . yeah. and then what happened? yeah. that we had to go across and strike in camps with children focused on that issue. so that decision that they said was after the dean, i'm the opposition went in on the night of the 28th. so within 10 days, we had planned, selected the people. i launched them across and it wasn't a single operation. so i know there's a lawyer which has to be made. oh yeah. so if you chose one thing and nobody can actually when to draw, i said multiple places. okay. yeah. starting from across the movies into across catch me. so we had on the same night, we launched the fire of populations and how much time did it take to complete these operations? so we went in, so it was at night we started just after it became climate wherever you at that time i wasn't much and as i was in my head board, the water room was on the you know, yeah, it was, it was called an operations room and we were getting the, the feed from the u a, b,

then your own, we just up in the me that for you to is coming to my headquarters and we are watching. couldn't really see what to do because i was when you're watching. so we went in uh and by about 7 in the morning, everybody was back, so it was, it was a night operation lit up, i think like we did not name it at all. okay. see, we were very conscious about security and that information about they should not leak out. just a handful of people in y headquarter austin, you know, that we would need it normal. and then so we decided deliberately not to give with the name of other people's i got your name then to rice, what it is. and you wouldn't gloss in touch with the parameters to do it up. and i will start blissfully in touch with the prime minister. that was, i say you need any. yeah, they need the chief allow me stuff. okay. yeah. because i was in with them for. okay. let's see for the for why we started with the navy. and yeah, he was,

he was briefing that ridiculously and lot of the rest of the countries are not really very happy about either too much, like you know, to invest some. some countries want us to be always submissive and not so brilliant because i think this all see, you know, care in august on i 2 countries knew that. um, they sometimes feel that, you know, data behavior is the responsible and it could lead into a much larger sort of conflict. we know how to do with pain via being living with this situation since independent and side to that is a great deal of maternity and when we carry out the end, we have the order civilization. yeah. on not do means if you see this, so yeah, sometimes it's really, really angry with me and did the editors notes and things like that. and they all, they sort of condescendingly, yeah. behaved, to address that. i know you what i, what i think it, you know,

uh we have clearly stated that what we will do is in our national interest and also the country has progress. i was looking at 5th largest economy in the was, i think that is a growing state chat politically, diplomatically, economically. so i don't think guy, you know, those boss pains, and people who look down on, you would say whether this country after independence will even so i like the, you know, as a single entity. i think those times i don't know a very the com the same thing. so it's, i think i'm sure it's or the peter of you is that you have it and you how i mean people also automatically choose the right words it's, it's sort of impresses me and baffles me on. so there's not a single word which really will, which is it will do is i have to think about a 1000 thing. don't maybe i'm given my dialogue and i said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

you have to live to live that yes, exactly. oh, i have live 545. yeah. yeah, that's yeah, i didn't have, i just had a strong military bond. how important and its relationship i bought it in the rush of relationship is not neil. i think it's, it has a long history behind it. there's a great deal of consistency in how russia has come to india as a when requires, i mean, 71 law for example, who had the kind of military equity fund that we had bought from russia. for example, new kids have marines that they lead us. i mean, the article thing wouldn't have come from anybody else. and so there is a great deal of history behind the tie. what's the reason of this morning? and he isn't any particular the, as i said, as i said, it's because the have sort of created us with a great deal of paternity. they have looked at our national interest

a number of cases where in the security council resolution, the tetra, they have come to i hope there was a tree deal friendship and 1971. so in the american, uh, yeah, across carrier sale in uh, into the other building on the sort of pressure that is us. and then we will finding the bottom of the schwab. hm. it was, it was that i sions who sort of came to headphones. had a we are there, so don't get, don't get pressurized by, by the us. and so i think there is such a long history of, of post eyes the fact that they have looked after our national interest, which is why today you'll see the india has refused to outright click on them rush. ashley during that you can watch. we have continued to pick out either due supplies and will it be the coupon from there. and what does that make in india program done for pilots ministry? let me let me put it this way. today we are the largest arms importer in the wide.

mm hm. okay, and yeah, and the other biggest sounds important in the world of accounting for almost 10 percent of global arms and boards. and if you want to be an industrial and scientific power this and then we'll have to follow the situation obviously is not good. and so we need to develop, i don't indigenous capability. and i think the push that has been given by the government is excellent. and they have said that slowly over a period of time, you suddenly get on google or defense industrial base from the ground up within india. but the policies that they have put in place, the processes that they have within place that slowly the villain does an ice and be able to produce out on um sending copeland, i think is an oak sending and it should have uh will it happen quickly? um, maybe not, but the predicted and direction is absolutely chair. so i am saying in the next 5 success you will see a strong enough defense industrial base. and i think it's an excellent initiative

by the government. they are completely telemundo bush and you've said that citizens that often for water and in the national security now to do what do you mean by that? see i, i go to a national security strategy and one pillar of died was predicting on people. the point i'm making is not shown to go to d is not gonna be nearly about it. it's important to predict about us to make shutting down to figure d is good. what are you mentally as the citizens of this country and why i am saying of protecting them is because you have, you shows like jobs you have. it shows like environment, time of change, how it is going to impact uh, organization is going to take place, but i'm going to move from, you know, this is when it goes to towns. how would you provide them the set of facilities that they need? this also so i think should form an integral part of how we look at our national

security, which is why i said they don't. people also must be in the hospital 5, the scores and discussions on, on national security. yeah, that's i do me mention, but also it is even the that it is attacks the country. right. the increased completely and there was a into them thing sort of idea. so this is the political build things do. absolutely. i think you have the credit in this galvan for the approach that they have taken against terrorism within the country. and that's why it is focused on his concern that you know, we need to be tough on this. and i think it's, it's working. i do said the number of that of the setbacks within the country has it reduced out of the way they were happening all over the country. not only and that will encourage me. yeah. even within the on where they find that. so that has, so the pressure, i think that the government has applied politically diplomatically in international

circles. and the fact that there is somebody the nest to use military force against focused on you don't of the n t take some more risk. and i think that that policy is succeeding. this is my personal personalized question. before that we finish. it's shot them in the do. the conversation has happened june or not this, we are in that time the biopics i made a on army generals and the kind of work that you have done if you are biopic was to be made. or if you write to not the bag of that for you, let me put it like that. what would you call it? the book that you would write about your life if you ever puddle. that's a, that's a difficult question. a what, what i call a good i see a lot of the army officers, i mean done those i thing the i'm was now i already have and you have a very distinguished video and um for so i have and i, i don't know. so being with on or something like that is what i would say. okay.

yeah. any particular actor you have in mind, i'll talk to you i, i think the best buy, i think there's quite a few our readings over in is that will buy or pick the one with me as well. it's and that's amazing. thank you. thank you. and if engine independent, single dot, thank you so much for that and thank you for watching. join me next week as we unco out a new lead. and yet another debate and let's start with product. i'm of them kids, goodbye. the 1935 fast is easily led by dictator benito mussolini decided to expand its colonial empire in africa and take over the opium. by that time,

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