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if he terminated the us proxy war on russia through crane. this is the vassal states of west and your apply in economic ruin, resulting for multi 1000000000 dollar suicide on the backend of the u. s. military industrial complex designs in ukraine. the electoral consequences of the medians of puppets has capitalized victories for anti war policies in france. and germany, joining me now from boswell in switzerland is dr. daniel guns, the founder and director of this with institute for peace and energy research, is they just book is usa. the ruthless and by following on from is seminal history . nato's secret armies. operation, claudio, and terrorism in western europe. thanks so much talk to god server coming on the show. you know, before i even started before we get to the trump debate and the decline of the west in your. but i'm going to have to ask you because the view is, will wonder if they bullet to use, we get paid year a suspicious sites in its own right. i have to keep re editing my entry. why,

why does, what can you call you a conspiracy period? so if anyone's watching and quick are you looking up dr. daniel again? so because i questioned 911, you know, i say we were not told the truth about the terrorist attack of 911 and i say world trade center 7 was blown. and up by control demolition that was not hit by a plane. and ever since i've set that might be compared to entry has just gone from bad to worse and i, you know, i don't, i don't edit it anymore it's. it's beyond my control. so yeah, you know, i don't know whether it's just $911.00 wednesday of course, of the 25th anniversary. i don't know whether it's just that. i think it's everything you're writing. sounds like a conspiracy, doesn't it? because of clear from the old book, nato secret armies that any military industrial complex systems under trump pool harris will continue to prevent west and your but since operation, glad you and before to be democratic. that's what a lot of people that suspecting just remind us about operation, i'm glad you know, because it's not your book is not on the school curriculum of western european con

concept. and i think i'll give an inside my book. people maybe hear that you don't know about it. what is operation? glad you are. by the way it's relevant today or yeah, i mean i can take it step by step this my ph. d. i wrote for years on that book and at nato, obviously is the greatest military alliance in, in, in terms of size. it's 32 countries right now. during the cold war, it was much less, it was 18 countries, and nato always said, you know, we just prepare for us, obvious invasion, which never came during the cold war. and then secretly the ca and, and my 6 set up stay behind armies in different countries of western europe. and the need to leave the secret army was called glad you know, and it was exposed in the year 1990. that was the year when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, and some people have paid attention to it. but most people have not noticed that

when it came to life was a scandal. because nato add to confirm that they operated secret state behind armies in many countries of western europe. and you actually come through that, you know, you comp your call and have a secret army and a democracy. it's just the legal. you should always, the parliament must always know who is in the army. how big is the army? what's, you know, what's the weapons supply? tamika, these are not the secret armies. the armies today in remedying the 10s of thousands of us soldiers in germany or the people in there, all the bases occupying a great britain. this is something else. this is using our as in something else. yeah. the secret army just we're located in italy, in frogs, in germany. they even had former and right wing extremists, switzer found a hater who were then integrated in german secret armies. and they were not officially known. and an entity, the italian and boston to ne, tied to confirm that in some terrorist attacks the arms caches of the secret armies

were used to the secret armies were officially linked to terrorism. and the terrorist attacks, you know, that we come into conspiracy is i mean, conspiracies success. they basically are, you know, an agreement between 2 or more people to carry out some, you know, sinister act without telling anybody else. and everybody's spinning to political analysis for some time now is that you know, ever since the murder of caesar, it's julia caesar to have been conspiracies. and i'm glad you was a big conspiracy. i'm and the nato still today doesn't want to talk about it. but, you know, i'm, i'm a 100 percent positive that it was, it existed. so nato, a secret arm is existed. there were set up by ca and i my 6 and they were linked to terrorism in fan is, i think the c i a does, it makes it today. but i suppose the relevance here is, do you think that that created be for a child ground in which to make western european countries today believe that they are fighting for justice when they support the as of fatality and in ukraine

against russia. the chapter headings in your book, the u. k. italy, france, spain, portugal, belgium, luxembourg, denmark, new way, greece in germany, all the democracies are submitted by operation. glad you, and i'm a 6 and n c i a. so all those countries obviously, notable for supporting zalinski, i mean in all fairness has to be said that most people in western europe have no clue about this. but most people in united states, if you ask them what is glad you left, never heard about it. so it really is, i'm only a highly specialized people in history and political science and some courageous journal as to who know about operations. glad you and i'm people on the streets today. if you ask them about ukraine, it's the same problem. i mean, people think the war in ukraine started in 22 with the invasion of russian of russia, its invasion into ukraine. and i always tell them, you know, in 2014. and there were snipers on the, my don,

which is the important space. and key as where a protest is met with, you know, a policeman and i tell them, look at the 25th of february, 2014. and you will see that snipers killed both at demonstrator and, and policeman. and that's called strategy of tension. and i've seen things like that in my research and operation. glad you know, so you can always crates have ok, you can always trade k os by telling both sides and then withdrawing very quickly. but there again, i realize in germany, switzerland, australia, where, where i give a lot of public talks and you know, i'm connected to people here. i'm based in switzerland. people go like all know i call i, i've never heard that. i don't think that and are you sure. 2014, it already started and it's just, it's just not in the news and when it's not in the news, people think it doesn't exist. and of course it's banned that kind of information explicitly by the european commission. yeah. and the in britain by censorship of authorities, you had endorsed r f k junior, who uh,

whose family. so it. and he knows enough about conspiracies we, we've already had the candidate trump shots in the head, in a, as isolation attempt to pull this as an agent attempt so suspicious of course, but this, this was also suspicious. i mean, do you think uh, given r f k junior has said similar things to what you just read about the real causes for the war in western europe. they may have killed hundreds of thousands of people in ukraine. do you think the same m i 6 and c? i a forces are on standby in case trump, but wins in november a be, i mean do it shopping near and i don't believe that the secret service was not aware of that person. you know that that person who was shooting up there in the room if you comp, you don't actually have a situation like that where you go like, oh yeah, gee, there wasn't man on the roof with a gun,

but we were just too busy with other projects so we couldn't check that this is, it does make sense. so it really was a stand down order. and then robert kennedy junior. yes sir. i would have voted for him. had i been, you know, american, i'm obviously swiss and that will not vote for anybody in the us selection. but robert kennedy junior and has a very deep understanding of international politics. give him the fact that his father was killed. he knows that conspiracies exist on his uncle, president john f kennedy was killed. and robert kennedy junior now is that the us was involved in the over throw of the ukrainian government in 2014. there are other people in u. s. like john mercer time are an excellent man and he knows very well that the us actually was in the boston, the 2004 to included with victoria. and you will and playing a key role. also jeffrey sachs and other excellent man. and you know that you're natalie. i don't all those people are being ongoing undergrad in reason and in recent weeks, but then i'm very got are the people that does suggest that they've those same glad

your voice is decades on a still very powerful enough. uh to uh, well, we've, as i said, we don't know about the assassination attempt on trump. it's not even coming in the so called the legacy of mainstream media ritual for golf now. since got harris suddenly became the candidate. i mean, the actually on that doesn't surprise you that you know why it is that no one learns from history that we've been through is that brooder and kennedy and john f . kennedy and all of that. and you had something happens early a month or so ago. and it managed to be quiet and down all ready. there's always you know, warren commission or anything like that, but we're going to again yeah. but that that's the thing. i mean, they try to battery information that is inconvenient because if you, if you go through the data on, on the trump assassination, attend, then i think the 1st thing that is clear is that has been really shots in the air.

and it was really close. i mean the air is very close and you can cut up the item that they in. and then the 2nd thing is that there was a shooter. and the 3rd thing is that the shooter was taking that in by snipers and the question then obviously it comes to everybody who goes like, how come this guy could platinum that roof, sit there and, and shoot the trump. how come the secret service did not stop him from doing that because that's the job of the secret service. and the thing is that you always have a command post. so if somebody see something, you know, the information will go to the command post in the command post, but then react and say, okay, there's a shooter on roof. and then would say whether whether shooters and they would track, they would not say, well, we're not sure whether that gum as already below that. let's wait a 2nd or let's leave the drum, make this very important point in his speech. no, you would immediately, you know, take down the present and say there, there is an army get man on the roof and he would just take the president down and, and guide him to a secure location. all of this didn't happen. so that's

a me. and it looks like a span down, which means and mix basic are order within the corrupt secret service, not to protect the president on that day. and, and, you know, i, i don't have the facts. i just look at what happens when i saw that there's something very wrong happening in the united states right now. i mean, do idea was so strategic. it's successfully destroyed mass movements, political parties, a millions of people, and less than you are off to the victory against naziism. it was successful, it was strategic and destroyed, move, constructed, faith, left wing terror organizations and all the rest of it does this kind of thing. show the desperation, the assassination attempt on trump binding of media in a country with the 1st amendment, the banning of meet here in west new york. the signs of desperation is nothing as strategic and as clever as we saw under uh, uh the, the great or someone say evil leadership of,

of the heads of c. i a and the security services in the fifty's. and 17 what i would i really see. yeah. what i, what i really see with, with, with the nato countries, you know, within the 32 countries they're led by the united states. i see a certain degree of decay that is becoming worse and worse. i mean, you know, we, we obviously had in the 50s where i deal with our own, the government in iran, in 53 of the most. i think that was a ca and i my 6 of pricing we had in 54 with the over. so if the government thing bought them, all of our bands who was the elected president, got them. although we obviously had crimes and in vietnam counselors crimes, people were killed and tortured. we had no referrals to governmental jaden, 73. so you know, there's a long, legit, legible, legacy of, of operations the bay of pigs invasion, attack them to bind 1960 wong, the attempt to kill see the cost for which went wrong. they couldn't kill him. so, you know, that's been many, many crimes and, but now i think people didn't that we have you to give them that we have instagram,

different that we have the telegram isn't that we have, you know, all sorts of, of, of, of communication. people try to find out about these things. people have tried to talk about it. so the information more is going on. and what i think is very interesting that people that talk about what was the curse girlfriend said, you know, on august 6th, was this just to landscape invading russia or was this new when i states the southern, you're daniel daniel again. so there's rumble as well. i'll just stop you the we have to go to a break more from the founder and director of this was institute for peace and energy research after this by the the,

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most of them died. it was incredible genocide. the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the founder and director of the switch institute for peace and energy research stroke a daniel again. so i ensure up to do as dr. against or in part one. when you talk about co ask, which is the most recent uh, offensive by as a lensky is a british a you, us, um, to forces opponent in the, in the propaganda media of the west and your, of the nato countries. yeah, yeah. you, we, we took it, all right, but coming back to that point, i'm, you know, on rumble and instagram, telecom and other channels. it's obviously a very easy to debate. what was going on before this invasion really started. and if it was just and a decision by presidents or landscape, and it was

a purely ukrainian oppression, but could also be that the british and americans. so nato countries used as a lensky to attack russia and that, you know, during the cold war, it would be, you know, on think about, that's made to attacks us as art because it's a, it's a, it's a nuclear power. and us as a nuclear power and the rule has always been nuclear power should not shoot each other. kelly it's, it's, it's soldiers and having visions on, on their territory. so, so this is really a new quality. there are new drama there unfolding. and boy, is it a bit like the proxy armies, enough count as done when the united states simple, which would be those who would become those who launch the $911.00 attacks as the mainstream narrative would have it. um, you know, this has been done before, so put in doesn't have to respond as immediately as you might suggest from what you just said as regarding it being unprecedented. or yeah, i mean, i don't even have the facts. you know, i don't even know what this was purely savanski or with this was biting through to

the landscape. i mean, uh oh, who, i mean if, if we, if we, if we say, but buy it and even confuse it, the names of citizens can pretend at the, at the last name. so i'm going to move on to transfer just the landscape. and then he said, this is a good thing, i mean united states and very confused situation because of all this jack solid room, for instance, doing a and to me blankets of the, the curse of offense. if it's something that is being debated heavily and you're right, we can draw the conclusion that it's somewhat similar to calling this done in 79 because the ca set up um, you know, radical muslims in enough cornerstone in 79 already in summer. and then in winter, in december, $179.00, this through the, the russian invasion of those of kind of son which was an angel. but it was again triggered by the ca, guam dom, which i, deans. and then which i had teens later burned into all tight on the summer. been loving. so i'm yes, the ca is using all sorts of props is and and ukrainians are a proxy used for us in paradise. cause what's really different here is

a cause where you're talking to me from switzerland because even in the 2nd world war, i mean anyone is read premium levies books. and isaac's is the fleeing. nazi germany is a jew to freedom in switzerland. we had the form of ukraine, they do official, and so it's kind of jack both on this program and i tried to ask him, he was not a just expressed his frustration. what do you think your tech told me to be from basel switzerland is no longer a neutral country. clearly it hosts conferences on peace without all the policies. uh, what do you think of it abandoning it's historic neutrality. and what does this with people think about the fact that switzerland is a defect to, or, you know, i mean the free, it's not military, it's on a geo political target though. if the global south, the breaks the emerging. well, that is a bonus. i mean, i'm just very sad to see this. i mean,

we have this conference in switzerland. uh it was called a peace conference and they only invited to crane and so they didn't invite the russians. i mean, you can't do that. i mean it's what, what could i say it's just, it's rosemary sat very sad and it's obviously wrong. and on the, on the neutrality issue, you know, switzerland and has a population of 8000000 people. so we're, we're right, small country and, but we had no say in this. i mean, this was the government. i am on october 24th at 2022. that was the day the russian invaded ukraine and said okay, we'll stay neutral and we'll see that we can talk to all sides. and then only 4 days later, and this was foreign minister. it you cannot to cost you said at, okay, we're taking over all sanctions of the european union. so, so we actually go in an entry in economic war against russia and that's the de switzerland drafting and challenge. it was the 28th of february,

2022. and i think it was a huge mistake because switzerland is not a member of the european union. and these were not sanctions, which were, you know, being supported by the security counseling in new york by united united nations. so switzerland has no, no reason to can to, to do this. and i, i talk to friends and say, oh, why we shouldn't do that. we should stay neutral and they said, yeah, but this is the legal invasion. and then i said, well, when the americans invaded iraq, that was also in the legal invasion. we didn't start any economic war against against us. you know, when germany bombed uh, serbia 99th, i was illegal as well. we didn't, you know, start the new economic war against germany. in fact, and neutrality is an idea that you con, um, start the new economic war against people who do illegal things. you just stay neutral, you say ok the ca over through the government thing. yeah. if that was illegal, the russians invaded in 22. that was illegal. we stay neutral. and so i think it's a huge mistake,

but what we will have is we will have to vote on that issue. i'm not, i'm not sure whether you're aware of that, but we can have and we can force the vote. it's called an initiative. you collect the 100000 signatures, people did that, i support that. and we're going to have to vote on whether it's the that's what someone goes back to being neutral. i know, i don't know when the boat will be would probably be in 252020 for me too late. then i'll give you a but uh, you know, unlike drive you and the previously, i am isaac's operations. what was behind in the 1st place, this abandoning costs neutrality? is it actually a product of a lead class warfare in western europe? b elite in switzerland or out of touch would be so it's population. similarly mackerel, out of touch with the french population sholtes. i mean, clearly the polls have all these leaders. style them are in britain, they're all completely out of touch with the populations. i think so. yeah, i think money, money i'm members of the executive are not in touch with what their populations or

anything. i mean if, if you look at germany, germany has 616 states or on this land. but as you call them and tube on this land, the which is tutoring and sucks and they just had an election to 2 days ago. and the point is that the non of the ruling parties, i mean, degree and parties ruling and, and in germany, the social democrats, the red parties ruling and the escapade which is the 3rd small party, their ruling in berlin. and none of these 3 parties which were present the german government right now, we're making any good results. in fact, they were, they were all shattered. and the state and the best way to spinning sort of documents made made, it made a lot of points. and it's still, you know, a point being discussed in germany, but it very much support your, your, your analysis that actually people don't trust the ruling parties anymore. and in switzerland, people, i mean people have different perspectives, but not many people. i still think the majority ones,

switzerland to stay neutral and they don't like this risk government to throw neutrality away in the context of new brand new to yeah, i mean, what's next, man, i mean, you mentioned germany, we've had to our website to officials from them the european parliament on, i mean even the japanese f t, as in volkswagen considering closing factories in germany for the 1st time. and it's 87 year history. what happens for those powerful elite classes as the economies of western europe collapse on the altar of this war? a proxy war against russia through ukraine. how will they be able to control the anger in the streets? or it will be very difficult. i mean, if you look at the situation of germany right now, it's a country with the 80000000 people earning obviously the capital, but they have the north stream pipeline blown up. and that was a very important supply of gas gas coming from russia,

going into germany and giving germany cheap energy. and now it was blown off on the 26th of september, 2022. most people remember that one and the other 2 stars circulating one story by seymour hersh, which i think is the correct story, is the joe bag and us presidential by it and gave the order and the see i carried it up. so that's the official and that's the story i believe in. and germany didn't react. it was like, oops, the united states has carried out a terrorist attack against jeremy and german chancellor off shore and said nothing . you just said nothing. and the other story which has not been circulate by the wall street journal, which i, i don't believe that story, but it's, it's as circulated in august 2024. and the story was, know the ukrainians did it so. so lensky did it, and then saw using it his chief of staff and the c i is giving a complete a new role in this wall street story. and the role of the ca then, is it one so landscape not to do it. so it was like, don't do it, it's not

a good idea, but it's an antique carrying it out. so the shift is the blame, his being sister from joe biden to the landscape. but if you, if you look at these stars, i'm everybody i saying and have to estimate up their own mind. but jeremy continues continues to send weapons to so landscape. and so it's like, do you think he blew up your pipeline? and then if he has, why do send weapons or do you think the americans blew up the pipeline? then why don't you criticize joe, by them. so it's really, it's really, um, it's very strange. you know, jeremy is not there. they're going to say anything then, of course, harris scholars was in that administration up to the motto, coal street journal read is to decide how given people who want jaren's, we would say, how much about that. just finally, you have talked about the tragedy of ukraine. obviously hundreds of millions of people in western europe will pay the price for this in terms of poverty, but they've paid for that lives in, in ukraine. and you compared it to the off to the aftermath of the vietnam war,

the aftermath of all the us proxy was when everyone wakes up from the nightmare. yeah, because in, in vietnam, if i, if i just may, you know, that's also in my book proof as i'm fired the be at non, i'm sorry, i mean, it was the soft me, it means killing the noise to be it's amazing. north with me is getting this app is amazing and there were 3000000. that means that another 500028 soldiers who, who were also there. and the starry was that united states and decided with the size of it. it's amazing. we bought the no one because we had the means and when, when they less than 751975 us less than to be at. i mean sort of broke off and said, why, what are we telling each other? this crazy you're my brother. and i hope that ukrainians and russians will come to the same point at one point. you know, the british and the americans would withdraw the weapons, they will withdraw and add the financial support, and they will withdraw their advisors military advisors. and at that point,

ukrainians will realize and russians will realize that they're still neighbors. they will always be neighbors. it's not, you know, ukraine is not going to be a neighbor of brazil and josh is not going to be a neighbor. i don't know if australia is so they're, they're stuck from the geographical situation they're stuck at. and that was the same for north inside smith. i mean, they were, you know, there were still there when the americans left and i hope and that people in ukraine and people in russia. i understand this, but they're both brothers and that they have one certain point must find a way back to piece talk to daniel gallant's ser, thank you. thanks for having me. have that set for the show. i'll continue condolences to those grieved by u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide here in west asia. i will be back with a brand new episode on south of angel. then keep in touch 5. will i social media if it's not sensitive in your country and head to a child growing on the ground tv and rumbled, i'll come to watch new and old episodes of going on the grantees that the

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