you don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you think. it's amazing to see people share, right? because as men we talk about being strong, you know what i mean? everybody wants to be strong, man, but you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally we my son got incarcerated here. and i learned with my biggest fear was and it goes back into what he had on the board about memory. one of my says, great phrases, charles policy and he said, your son used to say he was, she could come to prison just so he could be with you. in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to,

to do they say you said viewing things and you used it. you never too long to find that piece with your children, which yourself the dispersion is more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if given the opportunity, the, everybody's watching everything they do, everywhere they go everywhere they gather, they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. to have to worry about being put in the whole, they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they

push. they don't want be to vocal because they don't want to be signal. now there's a security risk because it'd be in vocal about something that they want to learn. they can move them at any time. they can be taken, you know, just rolled up and move to another facility at any time for any reason. there is nothing i can say or do about it. i'm pretty sure they still mountains all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue. cameras in every classroom. as soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but that's good. not only put a camera veneer, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to the maturity. he think capacity to use ones intelligence without the guidance of

another. the cat is conveyed is that no one, not even a monarch or making the alignment of the public. ok. ok. i thought it was, i thought it was a difficult read. i thought it was great. i mean that's what i address from the, you know, i'm not enough. i'm right around it. it's not about right or wrong. it's about interpretation. no one can say if your interpretation is wrong, we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars, will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under the idea that we are kind of exchanging our boundaries as person, or if somebody is lying to you, as somebody in the

hallway has been so scared about how i've looked on the desk of corey, how can be a young college kid and me being just, you know, some putting them from tacoma house, anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become from mine managed the that's something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody really ever gives me a chance. the washington state does not have to wait the approval in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sense is other words, i'm going to send you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced,

doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that the system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back, actually brought parole back for sex offences. and the other group is juvenile commodity had committed the crime. $61.00 days earlier each 2 months passed is 18th birthday. he would have been a juvenile any be eligible for parole today. problem with punishment. the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years old. the there was never really something that i was intending to do after. while i just got curious. i because there was a lot of people who was actually going home to class. the 1st thing i did is i kind

of started writing letters to some attorneys about. busy what was the possibilities within a week? you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call. he said that during my clements it will be something that he will be willing to do. ready today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a consultation of commodity sense, asking the governor to change his live sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go the here to some family members that have been to prison and seen him even some that went and spoke with him, the different people were telling me, oh, she's changing, he's trying to be a better person. but the plan,

but he wasn't ready to accept then the thought about reaching out to williams. i'm start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably maybe 6 or 7 times and then i just said okay, forget it. probably 6 months after that to bonnie send me a message. i read it. i waited a couple times over and over. i lots of my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in this sphere to forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he sent to me. and so i told him i said, for gave you a long time ago, i didn't,

i'm not gonna forget what happened. it's a buffer game. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing your behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did. i have to forgive you to allow myself to move on into hill the while while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half years old. when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. actually given her, she didn't have a choose to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was 11. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love or she didn't have,

she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to and i always missed an i us lose. and i it'd be 23 years old now. but i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in the fight and for this deal. i mean, i was a mother trying to fight for her son and tried for people to get out in colorado. but all these victims came in the 2nd year. and i thought, you know, after the victims who, you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. i'll be a victim supporting the bill where they go from say, i'm a victim and i, i'm against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim of them for this bill. we are in this dichotomous, either victim or you were a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the system. i've had

a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice met and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had with the black presence caucus over 20 years . ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately begin. requires that we look historically loopy, contextualize what is happening so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. the other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior. each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate and capacity to do terrible things. the wrong set of circumstances are presented. we need to get to a place in this country where people kind of tone for their actions in where

the hands of forgiveness can be extended. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happened in prison. that every once in a while, a prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplished something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison than anybody who had ever worked at that prison. that included professional staff. we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merit team

a change in this sense. i think that is more about them being able to see, come on and that i've become and not the commodity that i was was not doing that they do to 9 minutes because they haven't got past that point. you have a prepaid call, you will not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at crown bay correction center. this call will be recorded and monitored if you wish to block anything to the cause of this nature. dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5 now to decline this call. hey, thank you to the store employee in the west. freedom of speech was deemed a right and not a privilege. it appears. this is no longer the case. this is also the case with the latest iteration over russia. gatos only right speech because a lot the

this is what is you the rest of choices to operate. it didn't don't pass under the orders of ukrainian special service in the hands of staying with the blonde of hundreds of people who were the neighbors in the towns and villages of dawn. bass beach was problem is money in a career and ukraine security service in case of failure, they were guaranteed st. you in ukraine. however, today's reality for them is jail time for many years. the outcome of working for ukraine. the enemy is up to 20 years in prison with a terrorism and espionage the

all right? no changes doing it for as made it worse for myself and present made it worse for me. i don't wanna lose faith. i want to continue going on what you door because you're helping the next person get out of jail and katrina, stay out of jail. to be a brother, father and brother. person in society. probably blood sugar one. let me lock the

my interest is in people like commodity, worked on rehabilitation, and you've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will, because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. the . this is the, they're all the same just in different stages of right. so this one. yes. so that one's really, really right. and there's something that turn proposals is different. variety was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th.

during that time i worked with the school and now i am still on the monetary community custody. and i live with my family. i'm just trying to figure it out true, well isn't so free or it's not equitable. so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources to have to open to me. how free am i to really choose? and as long as society disney's up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to, for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are full

society, the state, the government, the institutions, all these words that we use that are big and morph is that, that we're trying to, trying to make this concrete thing that has power for us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us the i was just the war right. um we get to the about just is right. what do you guys to the, what comes to mind when,

when we hear the word gasket facing huh. the okay. what other options go room person operations on the i don't want to fail, but you guys are being a little bit negative, right? because just to see is related to all the bad the that has happened was right. so yeah, of course who we thought we'd go with the negative. right. because of all the things this, i mean horrible, well being in the cause and most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me,

let me kind of rephrase that. when i, when i think up dust is i think of this plasma by here in stage by, in general with all of the class is doing is if, if the child got this, because at some point in life there was something that was missing from our sales that opportunity that we never had. right. so by as kind of future mature something new or something that can empower identity. do any to adjust the justice is the penalty or reward for one's actions a side penalty or reward because just as can we serve in a good way or so, just trying to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong eventually come back on me some shape or form, and that to me is just, these are the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a good way in a bad things. i do actually come back to me in

a bad way. it's about integrity for me. also, i just think that justice is always watching just this isn't, isn't a thing just like you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice, which is even bigger than that just as she control the things that you're dealing with. nobody else is watching. awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is that community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? just that's a tough one. i'm not certain all ever, no one justices just as i'm not sure if i thought ever thought about that much just do our part in the system. and

then the next part of the do their part, the, the lawyers on both sides and the judges. but i would still feel good about the bar . i did the, this is not about a prison education program. and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be a press there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community, the, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. the we did not believe that the people sleeping out of the bridge didn't have the answers to the reality. the because we have people with the h

d and masters degree move in have been certified to do that work and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a, in a system when we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change the name, and it's game. those brothers, no game to class that we offer. we can't wait just the people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems and what we will do it 10 years . if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some, but i'm not gonna put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. i don't think it's natural the because they got the deal, c, p l t, the federal detection center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business and then wait for the education system to

fail. our babies so that they go in there. they're not always, i'm going to blame deal seats because it took a whole lot of institutions to get them the we failed, we failed them in spite of that they've got they have the them that spirit, that slave we did not to the spirit that the genocide that a tip of genocide of indigenous people to nat geo. the

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