decades it would be a template, an example for installing death, squads, torture, privatization, and us russell states all around the global south this week. so it will be present boss of the c i a was not talking about mistakes ahead of the trump parish debate in philadelphia. he was in london backing israel and ukraine on the sofa with a supine in like 6 bosses. they congratulated zalinski on the ukrainian invasion of russia, and all this is comalla harris said she was proud to receive the endorsement of the man who 1st induced ronald reagan for president dick cheney joining me now from washington, dc. it doesn't matter though, form a specialist assistant to us president ronald reagan. he is a senior fellow at the washington think tank the cato institute dog. thank so much for coming on as well as the debate between the 2 is really bank world candidates. that was the anniversary of $911.00 chile. of course i'm the world trade center in depends again, what did you make just prior to that debate? all of us. oh, cool. well, certainly,

muslims in michigan would call the holocaust harris, saying she was proud to get the endorsement of dick cheney george w bush, his vice president and someone who, you know, probably i was never a fan of the katy. i call him, you know, dick, i had other priorities. jay, he's a society who got 5 deferments to avoid going to vietnam. but then once he became a exceeded draft age and suddenly became quite a hawk. so i think it's an embarrassment for the harris. i can pay, you know, democrats are rightly vilified to dick cheney back when he was running for office, and he was promoting more all over the globe. now all of a sudden they've decided that he's a wonderful statesman and the to have him endorsing harris somehow is a promotion of democracy. the disability in america, to my mind is quite extraordinary. you know, his record is an odious one. you would wish the democrats could uh, you know, put him aside, just frankly, as many republicans you'll have done. so what's it like say i want to get back to

reagan in a moment. i mean, you know, it on this show, i sometimes show the results. well, because the new york times is a piece here on the front cover, today's new york times or the new york times here is simple act of pampering. let's ukraine's women show russia. it hasn't broken them. that's the tops. that's the main story on the middle. says what is going on, i know blinking the this is being recorded before any decision on long range weapons, but he's given one another, a point 7 of a $1000000000.00 worth of us public money along with is a british bass of public and state. what was the atmosphere they have? because i know you and many of the critical analysts, professors, academics and presumably people who is keeping quiet in the security state from them and have grave doubts about the uh, the defense. all of the amount of hours shut down, trump, when he was talking about the chances of nuclear war for the washington

establishment like that in brussels and many european capitals. it's all pretty much the same. i mean it's very much a triumph fullest attitude. you know, i joke at the american monroe doctrine, you know, means the u. s. is, has the right to interfere, you know, up to any other countries border and probably into other countries. i mean, the us has an extraordinary sense of its mission, of, of its unique role in the world. you know, people in washington very much believed that. and they all of the kind of hypocrisies and sanctimony along the way. they just don't even recognize. so they talk about human rights in iran, and then they, you know, suck up to saudi arabia, provided with weapons to kill thousands of families. unfortunately, it is the size of the day on, on the side of the building. this piece now breaking outside uribe are opened its embassy in the, in damascus. in the last 48 hours, there are deals with the rush, the u. s. as opposed us has been horrified by the fact that eric countries have decided that the way to deal with syria is to try to actually have

a relationship with it. as opposed to try to, you know, you fund your guerrillas and tossed it out of office and washington is verified by this process. do you believe that washington is disabled lising, the government here in the middle east, if any more approachable or piece breaks out anymore. i mean, aside from what's happening to the opposite. well, i think washington is hesitant to do that because it has an awful lot at stake with, you know, saudi arabia, it was cheaper oil painting of the relationship between the us and saudi arabia long has been very close. but they're unhappy with that. and they weren't happy with the u, a. e and other countries that have also talked with the syria and talked about your change in policy. you know, us as never happy when other countries don't obey the washington line. and what they found now is it, even in the middle east, it's very hard at times to convince their us closest friends to maintain a line that is viewed as harmful by those same countries. i mean your close

observer, all of these things bend. if kamala harris gets in in november, will it just be more of the same? and you'll be told what to do by those a circle, deep states, someone saves the state voices. and would it make little difference? actually have trump going in? because it, when someone flatters trump, so we hear from member was he just does the e. and hans is this one brought them draining it. all right, kamala harris. i mean, i don't think she has much independent thought on these issues because it's not clear to me. she has a lot of independent thought on any issues. certainly on foreign policy, have never been terribly interest. very interesting to her. you know, she was a state attorney general, she was a senator who focused on domestic issues, international issues. i don't think i've ever been something she cared much about. i don't see a likely to have much change. she has said, at least some words, it suggests greater concern for palestinians,

but this is an issue where it's very hard to get any of the establishment democrats to change their position. they are almost as bad as republicans interviewing committees. policy basically is focused on what the jerusalem and what reward wants and nothing else matters very much. younger progressives and the democratic party are challenging that, but i don't think it will make a lot of difference to hurt. i think trump is much harder to predict your, on the middle east to shown that he is going to do what israel wants, he's likely to do what saudi arabia wants elsewhere. he might do so that is because those are opposites, according to statements coming from yet. oh, i mean i, of course, of course, but that, that's the i already, the trump administration is 1st visit when he was president, was to re all he participated in the famous sort doubts and seemed quite in trans. you know, his son in law wandered over to saudi arabia and talked about doing business deals . at the same time. the trump, the fully embrace that yahoo came up with his deal of the century, which is

a deal of the century for israel, not for palestinians. you know, so he played both sides of the last time. probably won't change that policy again. or frankly, we never know that i think the one thing about trump is he recognizes last time he got played by a lot of the people that he put into office. he wants to get out of syria. they lied to him about, you know, the troops there, they wanted to get out of afghanistan and the entire military establishment that resisted. i think this time he might be more willing to take action with some people in the office to agree with them ahead of time. but i wouldn't want to predict where all of that's going to go. i think there might be some good decisions and there might be some crazy decisions already. very unpredictable calvert to determine the 2nd. but with do you think these uh, bite, and harris officials come on there as a self. i'm jake sullivan, and that's the blinking. and these people, where did they get the lack of fear of world war 3?

from the most know how many minutes it would take of it for a north korean missile to head? los angeles, basically the, the russia has more nuclear weapons than the united states. how do they manage to have so little tab, functional fear that the united states could be threatened by the policies of using your up is a battle ground in their, um, in their grandiose schemes, as well as to make the 1st point is that they see politics of supreme go so they care about re election, they care about making the case against republicans. they make care about making the case against whoever they're running against. so that tends to be their focus. it's not america's interest of the world interest. it's their own political interest. i think 2nd, it's arrogance. it's a, it's a standing assumption that america is an exceptional country. no one really can resist america. they cannot imagine that another country would be preferred to challenge the u. s. they view the us having and trembled, power,

military power around the world, backed by the world's democracies. know for them. it's very hard to kind of credit russia with a willingness perhaps to challenge the us. same thing with china. same thing in the middle east. and i think, i think that's really the danger comes in when it comes down to what they tell themselves. well, look, the russians really haven't done anything. they are a paper tiger. they wouldn't dare act. nato's more powerful than them. you know, were really important. without a sense, in terms of how much this matters to russia, the fact that russia is not going to allow itself to be pushed around like other countries have been. i think it's extraordinarily dangerous. i think that the commentary by, you know, burns, you know, in his, uh, you know, financial times interview was extraordinary. he admitted that he thought in 2022. there was a chance. the russians would use tactical nuclear weapons, but he insisted we will not be intimidate, this is bill in the head of this, the i bill the inside of the see a former ambassador to mosca. what would happen?

i don't know whether you know and what, what would have happened to bill buns? is he being blackmailed? because i think he's being why be respected in moscow and around the world as the diplomat. what happened to him when he became the head of the c? i a in langley, a little i think what's happened here is that he's walking a very narrow line. you listen to the rest of the interview. he was much more cautious on certain things and you would hear from blinking your from sullivan or from, by the way, i'm sorry, the way he uphold. it'd be a cost offensive this a, by the time of visit interview being rude, customer obviously, if there wouldn't be a ghost defensive argument equal to significant achievement and said that the, yay ukraine has invaded russia. how great cause good symbolic place of course because of the battle with the nazis by balloon predict exactly how it was going to turn out. i think that he played a game there. this is the problem. are you going to serve an administration or not? i don't know him personally, so i can't speak to his personal views. but it struck me that if you listen to him,

you listen to lincoln, you get a slightly different sense blinking. i think there's no sense of reality. burns, i think that there was, the problem is he's out here speak you on an international stage. it shows the problem. even if you're a fair share, a fairly sensible person, you get pulled into this kind of international machine. you get pulled into the establishment. what's been called the blog in washington. it's very hard to escape it. i love to know what he's saying privately. i'd love to believe that he's giving them serious advice as opposed to being a cheerleader. i don't know, but i think this is the, you look at the people who serve pro, what does it like to work for donald trump? you know, as president, i think this has to be a very strange experience. should you do it or not? you know, do you defend the president or not in washington? you're expected to be loyal. i think burns is doing that. my hope is that at least internally, this is something when you look back, it is 2008 memo. it's quite famous. where he won the bush administration,

expansion of nato is viewed by everyone in moscow, not just boot and as being a direct threat to their vital interest released by we can name that it's been released by we could out see he was, he told that admitted duration that so we know that he understands these issues. yeah, it looks to me like he recognizes you can't publicly disagree. my hope is it internally he's presenting some of these views that he presented in the past. we don't know about it and the intent is to blinking. maybe privately he's saying, as you saying, i actually i'm looking like other post other members of the body harris cabinet to post regime employment in homes company. consultancies is that really running the policy rather than the american, the benefits and the happiness of the american people? so i think it's an important issue. i don't think american foreign policy is made, you know, by the kind of the industrial complex i call it. indeed, the university military industrial complex, i mean that the media,

the military industrial complex. but i think that it reinforces it. lots of your general officers guys with stars on their shoulders when they retire, end up as consultants, they end up as on boards of via kind of military contractors. these are people who end up on retainer or fox news and other things where they are expected to spout. you're very conservative, very hawkish news. i think it reinforces the process. if you want to be successful after you leave office, you know, you end up, you don't dispute the party law and i've run into that myself and people have debated on tv. who, after the lights went off and the cameras went off, they admitted that what you're saying was a complete lot. doug banner that was randall, i'll stop you that more from the phone with special assistant to you as president ronald reagan after this break the

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the, the welcome back to going underground and still here with the home, especially the system to you as president ronald reagan senior fellow at the cato institute, the band of dog i interrupted you in part one when you were explaining how people privately, uh, tell you that what they say in public. as regards the, the total was the united states is often quite different. what do you think then uh, is the next few months as regards the war in your up? i mean, what, what do you think should happen? i know you're treated about this before with the disgraceful may. british prime minister bar has gone too much and happened to him. he's been cooling for uh,

obviously uh, weapons the legal weapons to israel. and he's also calling for ukrainians more young ukrainians to join up and get killed. arguably in the meat grinder, why the village, the boy scouts and then listens and then skis, ami as well as try smooth people who won't worship. you're kind of enjoying the benefits of it. i think the same thing for lindsey graham, for example, us senator favors basically every word that one can imagine. you know, these are the folks they want to send other people off. they do extraordinary damage around the world. and i think what's striking about these wars is the number of civilians who die in other countries. the united states, the u. k. europeans are not the ones paying the price ukrainians are paying the price. russians are paying the price and the long term costs of this. i think you're just devastated. like we need peace there. you know that, i mean, i've been very clear. vladimir putin is an aggressor. i think he was wrong in attracting to craig. but we have to recognize allied leaders, united states,

europe, nato, all share the blame, and this, they were utterly irresponsible expansion of nato. a. despite the assurances they made to the contrary, despite the knowledge they had for people like birds, that this was an incendiary issue is an issue of extraordinary importance to russia . that essentially we are fighting to destroy russia by sacrifice and ukrainian lives. i think it's disgusting. i think it's an also policy and over the long term, it's a destabilizing policy. we need to get the war over. i think that requires the us and europeans to talk to russia. it needs to your what kind of a new security structure can be created. ukraine has to be neutral. i think that's the reality here. but protected sovereignty allow it to join the you know, what kind of a system can we create the rush, you can live with the projects, the ukrainians. it ends the war. instead of pouring more money into it, more weapons into it and prolonging the fight, we have to be looking for ways to try to end the fight, even the joints you

a memo released bi weekly, leaks about the now ca director bill button, someone's a boot and should have gone in a little earlier to protect the people of the hands and don't yet scott, you really? uh, what about your west and your, you know, there was some media speculation i think of bloomberg that the, the united states is going to wrap in the real is that the growing global south countries, the brakes countries a asia, this is the future. how is you being able to explain to your self as to be suicidal and economic policies of western europe as a self sanction and so on, on the altar of this uh, washington policy of war, proxy war and your of course, i think just as a result of dependency on the u. s. as long as you expect the us to defend you as long as you're willing to turn your security over to the united states, suddenly you find yourself vulnerable. you don't want to view an alternative value away. you go along with the united states or you look at germany, you know, the,

the rapid increase in your energy costs, the impact on the chemical and other industries. look at the fact that as far as we can tell you rein attacked the germ of these north stream pipeline. i mean, this isn't our war bill burns and this a. yeah. so what that surprised me that together, that it was not just what it could very well have been more than one. i mean, that's an act of war. yeah, germany has to swallow. the polls are told the german shut up. you know, a bill that'd be prime minister tuscan basically said you shouldn't, even, they're just shut up about that. so don't talk about it. oh, this is extraordinary. i mean, the europeans are, you know, what's happening to their economies, the political, you know, fighting with in the fact that, you know, you look at politics in germany today where the f d is number 2 in the polls. look at your france with this fracture of electorate will. where are the of the r n and the pen? i mean, they're ready to go. i mean, the next president could very well be more a little pen. the transformation of the political systems, europeans are paying

a very heavy price. and they're, of course, the ones who most needs to bill it in europe. they're the ones who most need the warning, and they are the ones who most need to have a positive relationship with russia in the coming years. it won't be easy, but for them this is critical to us as an ocean away is easier for folks in washington to say, would you be so kind as to rule in what we view as a competitor of ours. you guys pay the price and we give you directions from a far. this is a disaster, frankly, from the european standpoint. yeah. oh, is your luke miller showing friends and our wagon connective goes in in germany? i mean, i do have to ask you, as i said, you are a special assistant, ronald reagan and you written about how of the toner with the soviet union was opposed internally by very strong forces. he wanted to destroy ronald reagan and days, desires for a peaceful outcome and a kind of ending of the circle, cold war,

presumably trump, uh, who's being the parading r f k junior. and you'll see gabbled around both of whom share your views. i suppose about the catastrophic consequences of wasting hundreds of billions of dollars of american public money on things to be blown up and over the bodies of 800200000 ukrainians. he will face huge pressures internally if he becomes president in january. should he wish to wind down this catastrophic war in your to me? i mean, i am not a fan of donald trump. i mean, there are lots of reasons to be very concerned about him coming back to the presidency. i mean, i worry about a revenge presidency, but what i want to give to him is that unlike other presidential candidates in 2016, he talked about the us committing a gresh. you never hear that from other cabinets. and when an office it was clear at different points,

he was hesitant to engage in killing people. and necessarily they propose to have a revenge or reprisal for a year on downing a drone. and it would have kind of, i know, killed a 100 people or something and it has a report. is it internally he asked, why should we kill a 100 or radians because they shot down of us drop. so i do think that your trump is a very complex character. i think he's very flawed, but at least i do have one sense that at some point the humanity leaks throwing away the i don't think the vitamin gives a flip. i think the vitamin you know, does not sit there and say, oh, i don't know, should we kill a 100? a radiance is quite happy to do so. you know that the, that at least gives me some hope that if trump is an office, that he is more amenable to the idea that we've got to end this more. i mean, we're not talking about a 100 right in the dining. we're talking about thousands, tens of thousands of ukrainians die. these are supposed to be our friends. so my hope is that at least he comes from

a some slightly different perspective. harris will be part of establishments they're part of the blog. i don't see her really resisting it, try and if nothing else for the fact is contrary, might be willing to take it on. i think he learned from the 1st administration, he better appoint people who work with him, not those who oppose him. i mean, i just don't worry very much about where a trump administration goes, so i'm not endorsing it. but at least on foreign policy, there's some hope i think that he might try to be different in a way that i think harris is going to be more of the say. well, what actually happened? do you personally, doug? because, you know, i driving the, i was looking up, but there was a scandal about jack arab of and you know, he's not someone famous back then for peace these days. by the way, it wouldn't be a scandal whose regard to pay. but i don't even know how that even is got to leave . you look it up. what happened to you personally because you did it back in the day. so you were working with citizens or america festivals and fascist. you need

to rank goler, supporting debt squads in latin america, all of this. and now you say the key issue, one of the key issues of the american people, i suppose, apart from infrastructure investment. and they all related is piece bc lot time. why is that? a no, it's actually been a peacenik. i didn't work for ronald reagan because he was hawk. i worked for him despite the fact he was a heart. like i'm a political libertarian. i'm very much it. i bought like free markets. i like to restrict, you know, a small or your government. you know that from that standpoint a lot of what he said is i liked, i thought he was the best of the candidates who was out there. i wasn't happy with his foreign policy when i left the regular administration, i edited the inquiry magazine. if you can find it. i mean, we came out with a nuclear phrase, for example, we were against the invasion of grenada. so i've always been very much on the non intervention and side, you know, along the way i worked with a lot of different groups on economic policy. i disagree with them on other things

. i've long believed in drug legalization run. a lot of people have believed in that before recently when pop marijuana has been legalized. so i work with whoever i find, you know, these day over the years i've just come to believe much more that the issue of one piece is the critical issue. that all these other issues. yeah. well, you know, i care about them. i care more about the fact that people are being killed, americans and foreigners. my nephew is a seal. my father was in the u. s. air force. i care about military personnel. i don't think they should be sending the stupid words. and what i see today is the us government. us officials are utterly irresponsible and reckless in their foreign policy. they get americans killed, they get hundreds of thousands of foreigners killed. look at a wrong look at the m. and so just over the years, i've grown much more convinced that that issue has to be addressed. lots of people in america argue for a fairly free market. some i liked them some i don't the right nearly as many people to say piece is the priority. that's what i've tried to dedicate the rest of

my career to. and i haven't even been amazed. and though the so called main through media may not reflect it by how your view point is now shed by more and more people we have a cavalcade of foreign ministry offices on this program for us officials, we've seen that they, they're on social media or i suppose often pend, uh, more and more people are starting to recognize how it works with making america great again. is it what i know you understand of trump, but how it is to do with making the united states a great country getting away from these wars. but what i'm always found is the kind of middle officer court were always very serious about these issues. and you could talk to them. they took them seriously. these are the people who commanded troops. these are the people who lost people in the field. these are the people who wrote letters home to the families of soldiers who died. i'm a very good friend who retired as a colonel and the marine corps was sent over to iraq center,

afghanistan said throughout the gulf. and he told me that the, over the years he became convinced of my views, that having serv, seeing what it was seeing what happened. and i think the military is a logical place for this. these are people who, for the most part, they don't want to die for stupid things, and they actually don't want to kill foreigners. they want to serve america, they want to do a greater good. and a lot of them have come to the realization us foreign policy is not directed to that. so i'm very hopeful in that sense that we've seen military after 2030 years of disasters. a lot of these people are looking for a change and they're willing to speak up. you're right. very hard to break through the mainstream media at times, but i think they're out there and i think they are very important voice talk, brenda, thank you. thank you. so that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very by u. k. u s u, i'm genocide here in the middle east. we'll be back turning to gaza and jerusalem on monday's show with his railey us holocaust and genocide. professor, i'm

a bottle of until then keep in touch if i will. i social media. if it's not extensive new will country and how do i channel going? i'm going to give you a rumble. don't come to what's new and old episodes of going on. the grand see you monday, the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the or the case of the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington press for so the funder line likes to say we have the

tools while we just start with stability and business deals to help me living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know a price here in new york, i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be yeah, give it a little ocean. photos is what i'm saying. no photos of the lawyer officially capitalize on issue in the national bringing much towards the i to see if the states to my 3 or senior. so the machine actually which of course, wisdom official see the samples, i believe i left off with the right people from we supposed to pay that from another visa, which the williams of the same. but i think a funny old buddies, let's say one more or less yourself good for storage than we space the features such as like additional motion,

they're going to show functional. so let's say about that. let's go slugger and you have to but the, this is the story of freedom and democracy in circles, 3 west verse. he seems to be the only clinically insane. the more and those for obviously bias can believe in it's, it's very easy to promote freedom of speech and practice. and when it's only your speech that counts, and no one else's. ortiz, editor in chief of the last washington sanctions against our channel as an unprecedented asylum saying, while the white house continues to tell it's commitment to free speech, the united states respects and champions, finn, and expressions. we will not stand by as r, t and other actors carry out corporate activities in support of russia's various activities. turkish media show and alleged meeting between ukrainians and as long