[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to worlds apart. for more than 3 centuries, ever since the peace of west valley are european powers agreeing, that identity on southern teeth came hand in hand. you don't need to lie to me or if full of me for us to we side by side. but the out of the cold war called this principle into question allowing some nations or some of the all induce to claim that they are inherently better than others and therefore have the right even the responsibility to make others in the image. whereas if leaving europe, the west and the world to discuss that i'm now joined by milan, we're a member of the european parliament for somebody care leader of the republic movement. mr. eric is great to talk to thank you very much for being available. thank you very much for the invitation. i am looking for bye or questions. want me

to, especially because this here is ticket remarkable, both for european and weston politics because i think never before we have such a clause between the so called establishment parties and the so called extreme or extremist bodies. now i'm sure you don't consider yourself to be a radical and you have this is how you are sometimes referred to in mainstream media. um, let me start by asking whether you think that gives you any additional support of the media voters. oh, come on, i don't think that we are to any kind of extremist, this is just a label which is used by our booth to go open. and so if they simply are on out of arguments and they have nothing left to say. so they starting labeling us as a x 3 means as a radi goes, a is a russian agents and so on. but let's ask ourselves, what's really extreme about our political opinions or about our political program. we want to end a war, and we want peace,

east extremism. we want to protect europe uh, against illegal migration. we want to protect our familia and traditional values. we want to protect freedom of speech as well. is this, the text remains? i'm? i don't think so. so let's look around, let's have a little bit at the current end here will be in governments and it will be information. and i think they are the ones who are destroying our continental r. he's throwing our rope our stays, and they are the ones who are to be called extremes. what i, what i find very interesting is that how 4th minded this tactic is of labor and labeling somebody extreme is because when they call you that name by extension, they also call that anyone who happens to have the same use as you are. and i suppose it's quite a lot of people in europe. so let me repeat my question again. do you think people may support you sampling because they don't and dime used to be called extreme is

that people um support us and to support these growth. and you can see it all around the europe simply because of the fact that we bring the or additional approach that we bring. come on the science of big to europe and a bully, see back to the national policies and come on cents. which is me. think in the current govern government policies and that's why they are supporting us because they see that we are more realistic and our program, he's more pals a deal, then the program will start and governments and cover going into europe and call me shots as to the for us, we are not explain these adult now and you have a pretty sharp tongue which you frequently use during the sessions of the european problem. and let me play a very short clip from one of your speech is to give our audience a taste of it. the european union is turning into a soviet style public bureau, which attacks that anyone out there who expresses a dissenting opinion. i want to ask you to stop this because eventually you will be

hoist by your own petard and the whole your with all of you are a with, like back the farmers. now the horse been by your own guitar is coming from the soviet era or soviet style pool of bright. i think those are quite rich matter for them. they can be quite a sensitive on a personal level. do you enjoy it even a little bit rustling the fathers of your fellow piece. what i meant that with the speech is that the europe in a uni on resembling a soviet bureau, glossy soviet paper work uh, soviet, a single line, boise, and those so that the regulations and that's what has centralization generally. and i think that the general uh to, to central ization of you will be in the n. m simply went to far, this is not the european union we do, but which we entered 20 years ago. and this is not the corporation we were promised to have. so simply, that's the thing we want to point out. and that's the thing that we want to change

in the future in our political program spend. whether i do enjoyed or not for me is not to find that for me. it's like a personally, i think that i'm quite a quite of a friendly person to privately. i'm not that kind of tough. a tough fight to you privately, but somebody has to speak loudly about the problems that you will piece facing. if we are not going to do that, then the question is, who is going on? because the mainstream boy, additions to establishment police traditions aren't going to say about those negative. so there's wife our voters voted us to do a position for me at the position of a member of your open bottle. i'm and, and as why i have to speak loudly and to point out the problems which you will be facing and to bring solutions. this my work, and that's what i'm doing. now, before we move to discuss older serious issues, let me ask one more personal question. i wonder when you encounter your colleagues later on after making those the speeches in the cafeteria,

let's say in the bathroom. do you agree with each other and do you shake hands? that's based political fluoride is ation expound into personal this be. i don't have any problem with my political openings on a personal level. even though we do have a different political opinions about many things. of course, and i don't agree with them. i don't think that a bully takes would be a reason to hate each other because we see where it goes when we come through this approach. unfortunately, our political colleagues from left thing bodies from, from all liberal bodies, doesn't charity separately. they have a problem to take our hands. they have a problem to communicate with us, that they have a problem to say, even hello on the corridors. because simply they think that they are something better did. they are the right one. they're the enlightened ones and the correct ones, and we are debate loss for them. it is so simple and i'm scared of this approach because we solely to blood for 8 years ago. when there was

a group of people which sink or fault and they are better than the rest of the world and it ended with no big be caustic to be to 2nd world war. so i don't like this approach. there, there enlightment. and i'm to be honest, a little bit scared of it. and the reason that i'm asking this question is because i think politics originally, at least if used to be about relatedness people around for office, at least on the promises to make life of the neighbors better to build the rows to build close to bring some other practical improvements into people's lives, rather than pontificate about some high minded ideas. does the european parliament, this causes those practicalities, mundane, realities of life any more. they open bottle, i meant to do opinion and cannot even decide how many genders do we have in the world. i mean, like a man and woman. so this is the biggest program of europe in you only on of europe

and policy to decide how many genders do we have. and now imagine that if they do have such a big problem, we to such a simple question. but in such a adobe as question, how can they sold or, or approach very complex learning, difficult technical or international issues. they are completely unable to do that because simply they don't have a mental capacity to see to reality as it is. and that's why i don't know about in our political groups or for the phone and i'll see the we are going to europe in unity and to be, are useful and return back just to make a cooperation like to feed was mentioned a meant to be before and leave these political issues and the steps to themes, as you mentioned, just just a way can i ask you about the rationale event? because um, people uh, usually don't like being threatened. they don't like being so patronized. and when dive, use cold,

extreme or extreme as to when they are being accused of demagoguery of populism. they, they usually don't relate to the very nice way. why do you think this, this establishment parties continue using that style of poet taking? because it strikes me as very immature and not very effective. why do you think that i'm not perhaps more sophisticated or even more cunning? simply because they are blinded the blondie. they really believe that they are better than the rest of the world that they have to ride home. they may believe all they want, but they, they can be blind to the fact that other people don't share their perception of them. but actually, they are blind to see that and as why they don't use any sophisticated communication methods, because simply they don't see it. and the best they can do is to simply label or market their political or opinion of opponents as extreme east. as radicals as russian agents, as i mentioned to this is the best they can do. and of course,

the best they can do is to silence update opponents. like you to have gone to very recently when the midst of doodle of the owner of the a little bit was arrested in the, in france, just because he didn't want to school. but they do, we do ask them security survey suspended. he didn't want to apply science or shape on the content. we just published intelligence of. but as we say, other people, people see it, people simply see it and they see the difference. we try to mainstream media and you are bringing people and the difference between to reality how we to really ease and that's why people don't trust. i mean 3 media you knew of very much anymore. it's very interesting that you mentioned pablo during, for, was arrested not because of his particular views, but because of the way she goes about things. and to some extent, what do you have i have here is not only the difference in valleys, but then different the difference about how to proceed about politics. and you make,

make your speeches as much as you want. but at the same time, i don't thing, it is changing the way the european parliament or the european union as such is operating. what do you think would bring that operational change for everybody to be on the proper rules of behavior rather than, you know, putting aside those rules when they run counter to your own political opinions, change has to come from the people because uh they are, do they have the fiber and they have the right to decide what the government is going to be. and this is, this is the way helped us. things would be changing a democratic way in a free way. and if the people understand that they are being likes to or if adult reality has to be changed because to the current political lines, simply ease them to where you will, then they will simply change or law for change and the change will come. so democratic principal is the only way for work and you mentioned the election to meet and we just had the major regional elections in germany, which delivered

a significance upset to the establishment parties. and i think it raises a very interesting question of uh, pulse cold war identities because there are many people, especially in is germany who no longer seeing that, you know, they have to somehow be remade into a proper europeans. that, that entire entity, our legacy has to be sort of condemned and who decide, what do you think and signifies, do you think is just in german thing or do you think that applies more generally? uh, does some phenomenon in europe. i think it's a general phenomenon and it will continue with the former and the forward elections regarding the durham i need to situation in germany. i don't think that the elections were a result of only of the social welfare issues or g d, p, or salaries. but the people are simply or not the city side ofa where the cost of what's happening. we did their countries and the one reason uh we do,

i think that uh the change is coming from from central and eastern european countries. the piece that we had, the previous regime, community sort of team where we were able to see that the single sheet and simply we can, our people, our citizens can more easily recognize that, that they are being like to enter. the reality is completely different as to describe the mainstream is the basement media. uh, for, for on the other hand, people are on the western part of europe. they are more trustworthy total massive media. they simply cannot, cannot believe that they are being lied to, that they are being manipulated by media owners or by some politicians or some governments. and is why they need a little bit more time to wake up and to, to see that the ticket open needs change because otherwise the countries are simply doing well. uh, coincidentally, mr. early can, we also have, uh, we also need

a little bit more time, right. now to take a very short break, but we will be back in just a few moments state you in the if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the landscapes open up before your eyes? the last one just of the,

the discounts dodge the journey, the, the you ready to come along the welcome back to wells, the parts with midland erect member of the european parliament for slovakia and the leader of the republic moment. mister irving, before the break, we started talking about the resolved sofa recent german elections. ones that were out you wrote that they showed that future belongs to quote, a europe of silver and nations. it belongs to the protection of traditional values . it belongs to european prosperity, freedom and silver and team. how much time do you think it will take for this

glorious future to materialize in reality? and i think the change will come soon as possible. uh, immediately if you ask me, but honestly, a little take some time, of course, because uh, the, you know, shop and ballistics, 89 government, so he's very, very strong. so what you little take some time. firstly, people in helping countries in the countries have to realize that the car and the wait, there governments are leading most, most of their governments are leading to their countries. you simply are on the s p n, the simply leading door to door prizes. and secondly, many people have to realize that we are not extreme used to we are not the trait cuz we are being labeled or, or, or described by mr. media, we are covering those government which are doing better decisions. so as i said to him a time, sure that the future belongs to europe of silver and nations, because there is no other way forward. we see the current situation. we see what

current policies have brought to europe and brought to work. and we don't want to continue with that, so we have to change that end to only out there not to be suitable sort of nations this cooperation, but on an equal level and on the level of mutual respect. so this is our, our political program in our way forward. now i think you would agree with me that the european enlargement, at least after the cold war, was based to some extent on the idea that the former socialist bluff countries were victims of communism and western values were seen as the tool of uh, essentially fixing them there was sort of this element of good social engineering, you know, we will make you into proper uh, liberally minded human beings. we are seeing another wave of that with all those, the new age, ideas about gender, which you mentioned also about many aspects, social aspects of society. do you think those powers that, um,

pursuing that dr. stream based this new social doctor. and we'll actually let you have your vision of the future future of not only silver nations, but uh, i assume southern people as well, where everybody can make a choice about how to leave his or her live, how to race. you know, kids, you know how to choose face, that's etc. do you think those powers will allow you to have that? it doesn't seem to glitch on stacy's day. allows us is not the day or rights to allow or don't to allow the already elected to rule the countries to, to follow the will of the people will see disaster. and that's what they shall do. not sure, you know that they are very much they have a lot of influence, both david and sometimes the critics on you know, they're, they're printing and trying shed and the ways they're doing things on the oh, yes indeed. yes indeed, they are. but the change can be done. we so he to many times in history, and i'm sorry for that. the change will come when he mentioned the mentioned the

previous err on the comedies i'm just the people who are always some countries. i feel that they feel that they have the right to somehow teach us to lead us what they tell us what's wrong and what was the right. come on. we don't say we don't see a previous resume. i mean, comments or anything that as an talk age because we have lived in the regime. of course there were some bad things, but there were some good things, like social, social, boise, and so on. and we say that we should learn from the past, that was what was, what was wrong, shouldn't be simply changed and what was good to be followed and to take to the future. and i think this is the approach for about to end up again, i don't care about what the governments fink because i'm not being elected to follow the governments i'm. i was elected by our voters by our citizens, to float and apply hope political program, which is simply different and if we will have the chance, we will apply it. that it, that i was also born in the socialist count by a, you know, the,

in the old and in the last few years of the soviet union. and i agree with you that, that project, the political project have many downsides. but there was a certain degree of autonomy to family values. i mean, uh, within the family uh, parents could decide what to teach, the children they sometimes told them secret valleys. but at least the prophecies didn't try to intervene into family or, or even personal matters, which i think is happening all over europe. with all this discourse about gender and gender bathrooms, whatever. how do you explain that? why do you think, uh, western values of taking a, a particular domain? while, as you mentioned, there are many, many problems that they could have address because they are unable to solve with the 100 problems. the problems regarding that going on the area regarding, regarding the international efforts and so on. this is why they are bringing up saved, or problems plays, or issues. as you mentioned before,

eps checked the values to the front and they are is simply making the public busy. we probe us, which doesn't exist. in reality, they are simply covering, covering derek ingle, but the incompetence so that's why they are doing it. but i agree. and i must have made it that of the, or to very narrow part or to very basic part of these politicians that really believes that there are more gender and that they are and liked them. and the whole world should follow their way of life. they really believe that i find the show of freedom very interesting here because ultimately for them is a spiritual value. it's based on the idea that there is something inside of you. whether on the personal, on the collective level, that you know uh, guides your own development as a southern being or as a silver a nation. so this is something that cannot be dictated or uh, brought from the outside. and yet many western petitions while endorsing the idea

of freedom, they are also endorsing the idea of a change brought from with them. to me, that's a, that's a major philosophical m, a frankly spiritual power adults. i wonder if they're doing that because 1st of all, they lost faith with big ass. and 2nd of all, if they lost space in themselves and their ability to change something within themselves, their own societies, and therefore they have to perform with on somebody else. oh yes indeed, and they lost faith. most of them don't believe in a christian idea and go to himself. so they simply don't have the correct uh, values. let's say it's in their lives. they don't want. no, no. what's that? what's really important and what's a like less important when it comes to life driver, it is. and that is why they are so incompetent. so, for me, you know, for me this uh their, their attempt to simply change the whole world to change the of thinking that the

mind or for people is to most of the most dangerous part of their policy. because they are not bringing a little freedom of speech or freedom of thinking, they are narrowing it down. actually they are narrowing it down to only their point of view there. i know luxury and the rest of these are labeled or marked as somebody explaining something or something or something or other colleagues more or quantities, mind, so on. and this is a, as i said earlier, scares me the most. they are simply fanatics, most and many of them which are willing to go very, very far with their identity and pushing their ideology and what's happening. what's the result is we know we received all around to gord, what's happening, how the number of international conflicts is increasing just because of the ideology and number of even gonna fix it along to seek exams and on the families is increasing in wisdom countries out the situation is being more and more stable just

because of ideological thinking or ideological manipulation. and this is what scares me to most. and this is what do we want to stop and bring back as it was before us to freedom of thinking. freedom of speech. you mentioned uh conflicts and i think it's pretty vivid the, the one the brain and the brakes with russia, dont ads the ability to prosperity on the european continent. and it seems to be turning into this sort of long running stalemate. how do you see these crisis developing in months so perhaps years to come? first of all uh, having to come fix in ukraine. it could it be prevented if the old bodies, let's say i would um, a respect means agreements bought defense. we haven't heard from the west and politicians. they never intended to respect to disagree. man, dave, just wanted to buy more time to be there for war. and you know, the situation, the game where it is a,

is it as it is. and the question is now what can be done and will, how can it be stopped in the, how the world we are talking about the political conflict hope into world to be yeah, bring back to normal way of live normal thinking because that's what the people are asking for and our political program, our political view about dfcs quite clear. we called for a stop a so called aunty adoption, indeed onto you will be in the sanctions. we go to for step um, uh, military supplies for, for war conflicts. so for a, for the grant as well, and we called for peace negotiations for a normalization of relations, also with eastern countries, including russia and bellows and so on. because uh right. what's happening right now, come on. what's happening right now? right now, the key to the wisdom politicians, they say that there are plenty of 4 or 4 dictators and not to democratic governments around the rules. and that re shooting both sanctions against the

restaurant against china, against to syria, against many, many other countries. and we just don't blindly follow the ideal reggie of europe inclination or you'll be the leaders and they're imposing sanctions. but the glue around they are imposing sanctions almost uh on the whole world. so at the end of the day, they are not making isolated to consciously in those countries. they are making isolated themselves. they are making isolated to west. and that's why we called to stop this madness and to, to come back to a stable diplomacy and started leave the leading again. be slowly. so i agree with you that the, there's country, there's sanctions come back to your heart. many european countries and many ordinary businesses or ordinary people in europe and they're increasing number of people on the groups that are calling to leave them up for,

for the sake of hearing, but sounds, but those calls. so i'm not, he the, yeah, how much time do you give to me, you know, the best thing to turn around because, i mean, again, i've interviewed a lot of speakers from around europe who would say things similar to, of what you're saying, but that ability to actually change that, it's pretty limited, unfortunately, is limited right now because i mean there's right now because of the governments are, as they are due to been commission and he's being elected in next month. so we will see that about that. but uh, as well, during the time being, we see also many, many changes and many, many problems which are emerging like a crisis we did. it will be in the car industry. there is crazy. so with the price of energy is coming to the top. and these are things that have to be solved somehow, and the only solution for them is so as i say to, for,

to and the conflict based policy. and to start with again, a cooperation based policy. it means i'm not looking and i'm not searching enemies, hold around the world, but instead of looking for box mass booking for friendships looking for a corporation. and it's a way how to end the conflict. and it is the way how the end of the ministry details and how much time would it take? there's a question about, i think the change is coming. oh, hold on slowly, but still it is coming. we saw it and it's like we said in a hungry we see it in germany right now. and i think many other countries grew up in countries. we'll follow very soon. well, mr. rick, i certainly hope that your vision of your, of that values, mutual benefits, mutual respect of moral equality. i hope it will prevail sooner rather than later. and thank you very much for being with us today. thank you very much orientation. i will, but i do are i that the piece will prevail at the end. thank you. and thank you for

watching hope this air again on wells, the part the the, what is part of the, the employee would post good isn't the defense you of us and that in the word part is it something deeper,

more complex might be present. let's stop without cases that's spelled out of the, this is the story of freedom and democracy in salt free west. it seems to me that only clinically insane people or those for obviously bias can believe in it is very easy to promote freedom of speech and practice it when it's only your speech that accounts and no one else's parties editor in chief bluff washington sanctions against this chapel as an unprecedented silencing of a media i place coming into the white house, continue to talk of the freedom of the press as long as you told the accepted dorothy the united states respects and champions freedom expression. but we will not stand by as r, t and other actors carry on the corporate activities in support of russia's various activities. we should not be treated as inferior,