in service, men cannot do this. so it's not a question of allowing the ukrainian regime to strike russia with these weapons or not. it is a question of deciding whether or not a native country could be directly involved in the military conflict. if this decision is made, it will mean nothing else but the direct participation of nato countries. the united states european countries in the. ready in ukraine, this is the direct participation. and this already, of course, significantly changes the very essence of the very nature of the conflict. it would mean that nato countries, the united states, european countries, are at war with russia. and if that is the case, then having in mind the change in the very essence of this conflict, we will take appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be presented to us. you know, we spoke to german officer and war correspondent, and thomas roper, who says the west has plan with fire and risk in the outbreak of world war 3. the country is at war with the us and, and russia helps them to strike us territory. i think that will not be

a discussion with a rush as part of this was. so i think i think the west is already active part of the war for a long time because for international law, and we have this from the exports of the german goodness, tucker from the german problem and even sharing intelligence data, operate of data and toes data is already participation of the wall. the rest is risking this escalation. um, i'm afraid that might be a rational reaction with which the west doesn't like. and then we are coming really in a, in a really process of, of escalation steps. and whether we find a way out before then there, well, i'm thinking what would happen. i don't know the really the worst test, the thing, whether it's worse towards a world war, the real hard world war. because of all these questions we have here. um, attacking rush up with the long range, wisdom of weapons, which technically putting this right wouldn't be managed and programmed by what, by wisdom, but nature, sol, just it's, i think, a step which is. yeah,

the final one at which the, the russians were, the russians will react with what they didn't do until now. all right, just stay with our to international. i'll be back with much more, less than 30 minutes south. see you then the, it's amazing to see people share, right? because as me, we talk about being strong. you know what i mean? everybody wants to be strong, man, but you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally we my son got incarcerated here. and i learned with my biggest fear was and it goes back into what he had on the board about memory. one of my says, great phrases, charles policy and he said a yes son. used to say he was, she could come to present just so he can be with you.

in that moment, i see it. this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do on the site. and you said viewing things and use that you never too long to find that piece with your children. which yourself the, this present is more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if given the opportunity, the,

everybody's watching everything they do, everywhere they go everywhere they gather, they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. to have to worry about the putting the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they pushed. they don't want to be too vocal because they don't want to be signal. now there's a security risk because it'll be in vocal about something that they want to learn or they can move them at any time. they can be taken, you know, just rolled up and move to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. i'm pretty sure they steal down all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue. cameras in every classroom. as soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but that's good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to the

maturity, he think capacity to use ones intelligence. without the guidance of another. the cat is conveyed is that no one, not even a monarch, stomachache and pete enlightenment of the public. ok. ok. i thought it was, i thought it was a difficult read. i thought it was great, but i mean, that's what i address from it. you know, i'm not enough, i'm right around it. it's not about right or wrong. it's about interpretation. no one can say, if your interpretation is wrong, we don't have a manual. can't hear to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars, will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this?

and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under the idea that we are kind of exchanging our boundaries as person or if somebody is lying to you, as somebody in the hallways been so scared about how i've looked on the desk of corey, how can be a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from to call my house. anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become for my manager as something that's always been a fee or a mind. nobody was really ever give me a chance. the

washington state does not have to wake up a role in the early ninety's when it replaced parole. with was determinants sentences, other words, i'm going to send you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced. doesn't matter what you do in prison, that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that the system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back. actually brought parole back for sex offences. and the other group is juvenile commodity, had committed the crime. $61.00 days earlier, each 2 months passed. is 18th birthday. you would have been a juvenile and you'd be eligible for parole today. problem with punishment. the problem was setting a life without parole cents for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years old.

the. it was never really something that i was intending to name after. while i just got curious, right, because there was a lot of people who was actually going home to clinic. the 1st thing i did is i kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about, you know, what was the possibilities within a week? you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call. he said that during my clements, it will be something that he will be willing to do. today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a consultation of commodity sense, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go the

some family members that have been to prison and seen him even some that went in spoke with him the different people were telling me, oh he's changing, he's trying to be a better person. but they plan, but he wasn't ready to accept. then the thought about reaching out to start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably maybe 6 or 7 times and then i just said okay, forget it. probably 6 months after that to bonnie sent me a message. i read it. i waited a couple times over and over. i lots of my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled an s spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness

in his message that he said to me. and so i told him, i said i for gave you a long time ago. i didn't, i'm not gonna forget what happened. it's a buffer gave you. so i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing your behavior. but i forgive you, so not only am i for giving you for what you did, i have to forgive you to allow myself to move on into him. the while while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half years old. when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. actually given her,

she didn't have to choose to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was 11. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love or she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to and i'll always missing, i lose. and i it'd be 23 years old now. but i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this deal. you know, i was the mother trying to fight for his son and try for people to get out in colorado. but all these victims came in the secretary and i thought, you know, i have to evict him to, you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. i'll be a victim supporting the bill where they go from say, i'm a victim and i guess this bill i'm going to be, i'm

a victim and i'm for this bill. we are in this dichotomy, either a victim or you have a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the system. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice met and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had with the black person as caucus, over 20 years. ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately figure requires that we look historically, we contextualize what is happening so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. the other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior. each of us has the

capacity, the unfortunate and capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are present and we need to get to a place in this country where people kind of tone for their actions in where the hands of forgiveness can be extended, the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison that every once in a while, a prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplish something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff, the we submitted our petition with

a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. marriage seen a change in this sense. i think that is more about them being able to see, come on in that i've become and not the commodity that i was was and i think that they do denied me is because they haven't got past that point. you have a talk, you will not be charged for this call. this call is from an inmate at crown bay correction center, which calls will be recorded and monitored. if you wish to block anything to the calls of this nature, dial 7. now to accept this call, press 5, now to decline this call. hey, thank you. the

this is for digital rest of choices to operate. it didn't don't pass on to the orders of ukrainian special services. the hands are staying with a lot of hundreds of people who are the neighbors in the towns and villages of john bass beach was promised money in a career and ukraine security service in case of failure, they were guaranteed st. you in ukraine. however, today's reality for them is jail time for many years. the outcome of working for ukraine, the enemy is up to 20 years in prison for terrorism and espionage, the or

the little changes. i remember doing it for as quite a wash myself and dressing made it worse for me. i don't wanna lose faith. i want to continue going on what you door because you're helping the next person get out of jail and katrina, stay out of jail. to be a brother, father and brother. person in society. probably blood sugar one. let me lock the my interest is in people like commodity, worked on rehabilitation,

and you've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will, because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. the . this is the, they're all the same just in different stages of right. so this one. yes. so that one's really, really right. and there are some that term proposal just different variety i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked with the school and now i am still on monetary

community custody. and i live with my family. i'm just trying to figure it out pretty well, isn't so free or it's not equitable. so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources they have to open to me. how free am i to really choose? and as long as society, these up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual central. it will be society's fault that prisons are for society. the

state, the government, the institutions, all these words that we use that are big and more for us that, that we're trying to, trying to make this concrete thing that has power for us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us the i was just a about before i get to the about just is right. what do you guys to the, what comes to mind when, when we hear the word justice facing. huh. the

okay. what other options go room? a person operations on the i don't want to fail, but you guys are being a little bit negative, right? because just to see is related to all the bad the that has happened was right. so yeah, of course who we thought we'd go with the negative. right. because of all the things that i mean cultural well being in a cause and most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just to adjusting the system. yeah. okay, so, so let me, let me,

let me kind of rephrase that. when i, when i think up dust is i think of this plasma by here in stage by, in general with all of the class is doing is if you're going to go to because at some point in life there was something that was missing from our sales that opportunity that we never had. right. so by of kind of future mature, somebody knew it was something that can empower identity. do any to adjust the justice is the penalty or reward for one's actions a side penalty or reward because just as can we serve in a good way or so, i'll just try to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong. eventually come back on me some shape or form, and that to me is just, these are the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me and they go in and bad things. i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me also. i just,

i just think that justice is always watching just this isn't, isn't a thing just like you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice, which is even bigger than that just as she control the things that you're doing and nobody else is watching. awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is that community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? it's just that's a tough one. and i'm not certain all ever, no one justices just as i'm not sure if i thought ever thought about that much just to our part in the system. and then the next part of the do their part the,

the lawyers on both sides and the judges. but i would still feel good about the far i did the, this is not about a prison education program, and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be a press there. they could be a pref anywhere else in the community, the, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison. could have the answers to our problem. the we did not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge would have the answers to the reality. the because we have people with the the master's degrees will then have been certified to do

that work. and they have been doing and over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a, in a system when we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and it's game. those brothers, no game to class that we offer. we can't wait. just the people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some. but i'm not gonna put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. i don't think it's natural the because they got the deal, c, p l t, the federal detention center, the juvenile system. everybody is in the business and they wait for the education system to fail. our babies so that they go in there. they're

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