us media or social media, you can't watch r t on cable anymore. you used to be able to run any tv. you cannot watch r t on youtube. you youtube scrub. it is, you know, all of its content of our t videos. uh, the only place i know you can watch it, you can watch some clips on twitter. that's true. i maybe you can watch them on rumble. but again, the fact is not many americans even have access to our tea anymore. so given that, how can our tea in the united states have much influence on any issue and, and again, to the extent they might, um i don't view r t as propaganda. they are giving you different view on ukraine and other issues than the us medias. given but that's a healthy thing. we should a welcome that the us the same thing. it has the voice of america. it has radio

literally and of course it s e and, and it has a abc, nbc, these are things that broadcast around the world. and frankly, i do because them is largely propagandist. it can just spouting the state department line. so meanwhile, of course you have the us toppling governments around the world engaging in to lose engaging in a genocide in gaza. i mean, this is a joke. and now they single out r t, which again brian, he doesn't have much viewership in the united states because of earlier sanctions. um, it's just outrages it's outrages and it's not about it's not about the issue. they claim it's not about fighting espionage. it's about the us knowing it is last the narrative. no, i'm believe the us is a good actor anymore. no one believes the scares about human rights. and the us wants to blame,

wash it for that when they have no one to blame but themselves and their own actions. me. i'm just wondering how fathers can go there because, you know, even though a lot of people are seeing through all this, they do us is still a powerful voice. and in the, as reported, they were fused in american suggestion to join washington. the sanctions, the guys thought to you, but the but believe any other countries might get on board though. sure, sure. probably a lot of european countries where a lot of european countries already had. busy actually banned our tea out right after the special military operations began. the us actually did not ban it out right again to the us. does have some 1st amendment protections which, which prohibit that sort of thing. but sure, certainly a lot of, um, frankly, vassals of the united states, around the world and saturday, there's too many of them was, will be in line and they'll, they'll join in all this, but many countries will resist as well. so that's how it goes done. thank you so

much for joining us. today's always good to see you, and i'm so glad you're you're staying with us. and speaking to us, even in labor, by slowing down to valid thanks nicki. as i give it to and it gets hit on auntie international will be back at the top of the hour with plenty. we'll see you then the hello and welcome to transcribe bullhorn design peter level nato is on the verge of a major military escalation against russia. nato is thinking the unthinkable. we explain why. also ortiz again in the news west and the leads are obsessed with r. t. we must be doing something right to discuss these issues and more. i'm joined

by my guess, george samuel way in budapest. he's a pod cast or at the guy. i've always cleaned out on youtube and locals and assemble. we have studied serial a month. he is a historic and political commentator. i didn't think prospect rolls in effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's kick it off with george in budapest, over the last week, there's been a intense discussion about ukraine using long range missiles, obviously western made, made, made to be um, um, used against me in turn, in the interior of russian. what was wrong about that story, and as i suggested in my introduction, this is a nato strategy. this is what nato wants to do, and essentially, you will have nato, a back troops in russia proper today in the course guerria. but there's no denying the nato is at war with russia. been that is the double speak that we keep

getting from western on it leads to this day? is that no, no, no, no, we're not part of the conflict. well, george, the river column has been crossed. go ahead, but you're absolutely right for you to. and it is quite extraordinary that uh, the nato ventures, particularly in the united kingdom, but in many parts of europe. so i'll just going whoa and thinking yeah, yeah, we can take the take this additional step. uh, because uh, built in his block thing area, you know, where, you know, we don't have to worry about anything but boot and has to say. and it is very, very strange because um, earlier uh, in the week uh, booked, it has issued a very explicit stage. and now they, you know, they have been russian leaders, a car and the lady who been through just through the mouth solve and make all sorts of the threatening declaration. but bolton is never done that. so it's been quite measured in, in anything that he says here he was very specific. he said that if you take this

that you know what you call. so they don't allow in ukraine to use your message, which is a misnomer, because essentially you will be using this. most of you, ukraine cannot use these massage by them. so ukraine needs all this, the satellite technology, the delayed gps, targeting everything that, that's the only the nato countries can provide that. so therefore, if you don't take the step, it means essentially nato is of will with the roster up. and we will then act accordingly. that's a very that was very specific. and so, um, for the western countries, particularly in the united kingdom with the nearest 5 former u. k. defense secretary select issue. the statement can be of great and the storm shadows immediately. so it means that the is a complete lunacy. that is ripping the west. i mean they,

they seem to be good and got into this habit of fighting awfully as a small, feeble of power as the cool kind of hit back. you know, for all the, you know, what do you rock or wrapping syria working panama? hate it? well, i think that the same thing applies to rush or, or don't have to take anything that you say sir, is just, or is just a thing. so we can just go ahead and do whatever we want to do. and the remarkable thing is that they don't have a plan b. well, what if russia isn't bluffing? then what are you going to do? what, what's your plan for an event? no, no, i did begun that. let's take a look at the present in putin's words here and then move which meaning the giving the ukrainians access to these long range missiles which george has but rightly pointed out cannot be used without nato assistance. this move weight called change the very nature of the conflict and would mean nato and russia were at war based. this is the very plain speaking here. the president went on to say that you know,

more, that russia would take appropriate decisions coming. this is pretty clear stuff, these are a single syllable words that are being used and i don't know what there is to be to, to be misunderstood. go ahead. but if, if people are in the best of all, i should say he gets the so called the dates and the west was the reason i believe the normal and had phenomena intelligence working. i mean, like the intelligence that makes or has more then these what should suffice, right? absolutely. and maybe they have fun now. but the problem is that, as george also pointed out, they have gotten into the bad habit of mistake and continue with the rest of the restraint, which has saved us up until now, from escalating towards the suite for a message. that means that a rush of a map, a hit back at the under any circumstances, even if they get that closely involved in directly attacking bid from ukrainian

territory deep into its own territory, right? this is what we're talking about here. that is totally insane. maybe the message that i put in send out has got so i would add one thing, which is, i think the, the thing that is saving the world right now is that the rest of the data ship makes a distinction which is very important. and this is my guess, and that's between they can be a lot of us if they chose to do so, but i will be respond to that is our decision. i that i think is the position of the russian leadership. what they have told us, and i'm thinking you also have a statement that they meet at bas golf to speak of putting made on the reference of september. once they have told us is the bid be response fight. that will be a response. but we have also actually left it open, what kind of response they be. so they have various options. i personally think

a little like a one is if the best finding the takes a step is that they were on the best opponents in the rest of the world. and then not only ons and this russian weapons, which would be one step think with, and this has what's of being alluded to the best that would leave it on the invisible how david told them how these weapons are made. you will come up to that, all of them know how that russia has access to, via that it's connect chose to china on north korea, iran and so on. this, all of this is made available to proponents of the, of us in the middle east. and these can inflict very painful price, very painful cost, honestly. okay. on the usa, on fries there, larry, believe that they're very, very valuable. as george pointed out, basically, these are not your powers. and when these uh well, um, uh well my new powers are uh, upgraded,

but technology done. they become very fierce. okay. george explained to me, you know, i'm just a talk show host. oh is giving ukraine these missiles under american and nato guidance. how is that helping ukraine? what this does, it isn't helping ukraine because some the, the various numbers that we're getting for the scale of the casualties so far. i just staggering. i mean, they just mind boggling and on both sides. um, but what's really going on here is this latest scribe, the j of keeping the world going. they don't really have any and goal. if you were to ask any needs or leave the will. okay, what's, what's your opinion gave me what, what, what would you settle for? what, what would you claim as a, as something a result that is achievable and, and doable and was like to secure your interest. they wouldn't be able to answer, but just say we need to stop booted. we need to prevent bolton from winning because

they put in wins and they come cuz europe, and that's really the problem. but the latest strategy is, well, let's keep this will going and, and that's where the, the, the problem live we have here, which is the major can do this. i mean, if you brain is willing to do this thing when they, ukraine, is willing to sacrifice thousands upon thousands of, of its own people, then, well, it can be, you know, just indefinitely expensive. and that's will really need to, once they just wants to be in this position, that whatever rusher it achieves in the dumbass, they can keep loving missiles into russia and keep raising the costs for offer and say, hey look, you wanted security. the last thing you got is security as of, that's why it's a um, such a dangerous situation because because neither has no uh and getting no final. uh, go and go inside. they can just do this and say, hey, look, wait, wait,

inflicting pain on russia. you know, it's funny, one of the problems here is that, you know, well, i'm looking at the 3 of us here right now. we're all children of the cold war and a low. yeah. what, what toby got through the cold war, the conflict between the soviet union, its satellites in the west, the united states and, and satellites was deterrence. and deterrence works when both sides believe been deterrence. and one of the problems we have right now and makes it extremely dangerous, kind of echoing some of the things that george says is that the west does not no longer believes in that russia does. that's a, that's a recipe for disaster. i think you're right. i would add one since the also good. so the coolant and will it because we, what i'm lucky isn't deterrence such, you know, if you need to define intervention to survive as a species. we know about some of the incidents of video going. they loc saved us of

us. 1962 was 1. 1983 was another one. i won't go into the details, but this idea that people have that the cold war was perfectly managed. but these are these on both sides of the things under control all the time. it's completely wrong. we also go through because of a knocking. and if it had gone on much longer, sooner or later, we both have run out of luck, right? so if we start a new quote was, this is going to happen. but the other thing i would like to add is that the list has, as we know, pursuits this proxy of what is the knowledge a to inflict for the called a strategic defeat on russia. they wanted to move to russia in the international system. that's the idea, right. and now they have reached the point for this has obviously my orthor and what is so terrible that i'm not showing back from boeing even further. they're going into a space, rushes nuclear deterrence does come into play as the russians have, want them very approximately several times. let me add one point about your prior

question is why is the best of doing this? i think george is absolutely right, but for some alice's, i would add something as i think the best has a double gang here. wagner has tried to make those more elders and bleed russia. that's the idea. they don't notice they're bleeding themselves midway, but we also is, if the war is to be lost, then they've gone to crane to go 1st and acknowledge that ukraine is supposed to throw in the tower. and one way to do this is let you frame to, these resides even deeper into russia. let the russians q to, but an ad ukraine. because that they definitely but, and when the recording has absorbs that less than let the ukrainians fine with the silver pace. because then those western politicians can fill up a hand and say, we have always said we will support you to the end. but if you wanted to end,

all right, so there is a double strategy here. it's also about the possible exit from this last war from this last proxy war for best on the lead, the day that i agree with you. but the problem is, i don't think the saying in nato a lead. so we'll ever see another opportunity to inflict us with dietrich if he does, roger, why don't think they're going to give up, gentlemen? i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some illness. stay with our to the the what is a part of it that the employee would post good. isn't the deepest view of us in that, in the word?

or is it something deeper, more complex might be present? let's stop without cases. let's go part of as far as the sun 2nd simply sitting dislikes, any of the seas. a couple of bucks sold the son of course in the region. this see in tradition to basing house, which is a fast to get people to know nationwide. so the customer was the and hospitality. so they told me that the, the ultimate across that boulevard is i'm getting a little here. we're discussing some room is george. um, you're a frequent uh, i guess not a r t. i think you're you, you're a frequent guest than you're in a very, very popular and pacific right or. so this news outlet again is in the news. okay.

well, we like to report the do is we don't always like to be the center of the news, but this is what's happening. george, thank you. and i have talked to ahead length about the phenomenon called the rest of game hopes by heart determination. we're about 3 point oh we could be more nuanced. 85 point. oh i'm not really sure. um, but you know what's going on here? i mean r t is been banned in the west or overall. it's not on youtube. um uh we have uh this uh, uh, new iteration, nebraska game where some right wing like influencers were somehow convo paid off or you know what? we still don't know a lot of the details about that. that's why i don't want to waste a lot of time on it. but what, what is the point here? i mean, it seems to me, in my humble opinion, misses focus the, the, the obsession they have with r t is the obsession with their own publics. having access to other points of view,

but it's the attack on western republics. not on our tea, not on russia. and george i, i agree with the be the because when you look at see, the oxy basically is west and those west and those appearing on a platform provided by russia. so there, there is a, you know, they keep talking about the propaganda from the kremlin. there is no propaganda from the criminal. i mean, if it goes everybody, what appears on the t actually lives in the west and these, it isn't a, this isn't voice in the west. there's just simply the presentation of alternative points of view to the west and probably the needs of that, which is the in the process of goals. and then some of the, and this is a piece with the attack on the twitter with the attack on the door of and telegram, which is the suppression of rule. uh, this was and opinion. an interesting enough. and this of this horrible preacher,

jamie rubin, who's the head of this uh, state development side, global engagements that he gave us news conference last week. and he explain why this of this attack on sees as well. we're losing the war in the, in the public opinion, all throughout the year to since you mentioned, al, read the quote, you know, go right back to you. this is the quote from the state department r t is one of the reasons the world has, has been not fully supported of ukraine. that is from the us state department. keep going join us. that's exactly. exactly. so we've, we've got out of all way to tell the world this how terrible russia is, and how we muscle rally behind the united states. and they, so in this, perhaps the war in ukraine and the rest of the world is in buying it. and why is in the rest of the world buying it? i see. so what the, this new attack analogy is about is we have to,

is to really go off to the rest of the world and to tell them you need to band to you. and that's really what the units amount of it, why do you need to do it then that and then they come up with these lower, they crisp explanations. law who will explanation as well, because they've got the cyber capability. and so they're engaged and intelligent. what does that mean, george? we have. that's why they have into that. i'm interested in that office to the internet. that's a cyber capable. and is it on the able to leave the if you, if you read the criticism here, i suppose the state department officials have to use the vpn to watch it. yeah, i'm, i'm not really sure how they watch in here. but if you want to, um i and i invite a viewers of this program want and watch an entire day of our tea. look at all the news bulletins and all of that. there's no one coherent draw of focus targeted message. all we get is people are just boy and honest. people disagree a lot. there's

a lot of disagreement on our tea itself and there's no uniform method. this is jordan said, we have westgate who is coming on and criticizing policies of their own governments and global institutions. but there's no one single critique go ahead cutting. nope. i think you know, both of, that's the right above the way in which a t is a platform. really for best of this, it doesn't boyce's. and then when you notice, you know, solving history late. so it gets to, you could say that to you. and so tom is dot of the west smell, right? this is called russia ac facilitates west of this. it is to speak back to the west . that is one thing that or them, and of course, which has lots of right, that is, this is part of a logic pattern. i would add the attack on tip top as well, right? so as we are attacking every saying that provides a platform for tentative points of view, which is very, very clear. the other thing that i found very interesting about this announcement is specifically the point about the globe besides right offering. this is

a very colonialist mindset, right? ask for times or other people in the global sales do not have what you re, it's always happen. preston disclose management agency. they don't shows to watch a t somehow i t is manipulating that right. this tattoo a lot about the ways they see the cobra falls, maybe an extremely arrogant terms. and what is interesting, 2nd to you about this is that they apply the same logic to their own publics right at home. so they treat that wisdom complex was the same arrow. goods is the same basic, the colonialist, our guns, that they treat, the public's off the global south, the only ones in the minds of national cities west and the lead to have any right to actually make their own choices. i believe them sets right now, even though on societies no outside of the globe that solves can anybody as less be

left to their own devices to actually figure out what they want to hear? listen to a watch. now, i don't think this will prevail. i think this is is so ridiculous, says once again, i think this is a cellphone, a mess of cellphone, and i want to actually work in a no charge. it's interesting if we look at the, the timeline that's going on, this attack, reason attacked by the d o j r, and hard t comes when kamala harris is a poll, numbers weren't as good as everybody was hoping on the political left out next month. russian will host a very significant brick summit, is getting a lot of a lot of excitement. a lot of people are going to be showing up. it's going to be a big deal as they say here. this, the timing of this attack are to be a coincidence. no, i don't think so. i think it's a, it is tied to the election. it's clear clearly a very anxious about getting a calmer harris across the finish line. the pulling numbers are not right. and this

is a part of it is about it, and somehow russia is interfering in elections. russert is somehow preventing call hours from when a bird it's broke labor russians are preventing the american seeing the glory of a common law, harris. and there's no question. this is, this is a, uh, absolutely a proud of it. um, but it is the issue is that it's a massive failure on the pop of the united states to persuade the rest of the world . and it's a sole point that you know, they have all these um, uh, these boats in the united nations and then they keep demonte. you'll have to impose sanctions unless you have to in both century got to stop doing business. and no one's buying illegally is going to continue to do business with russia. and oh, yeah, and so this is a real feeling that we've got to do something. and incidentally, what of, you know, when reuben was speaking to, ruben was explicit in strengthening, issuing threats against the, the global. so that you, if you don't label with us,

we're going to make life very, very painful for your, you know, you see all these instruments. we have financial science since economic sanctions. um, you know, either way we can stop the leasing the justice department against you. you said this explicitly. so you know, you better play bull with us and stop cutting the off. so teddy, a gorgeous. absolutely. and all that there tool box as it were, but this is an admission that they can't win in argument. yeah, that's fine. important, i think because so in, in, in western philosophical thinking, right, it's an extremely old argument that goes back to one of plato's dialogues web back to explain that the best rhetoric, the best debating type for me is to have, to better case no tricks. river place, but i'm coming up against the spot z i to the ones deploying and the most amount of very, very resource propaganda around a lot,

but it doesn't add up. so the opponents, including those will speak on out to you, but not only have to, but the cases and lose begins to tell, that's what they're coming up against. and that's why they're so frustrated. let me add one point. as we're talking about this threats or the iphone, particularly, and that's about what the said is that the labs are that a t is the fact or an intelligence or has or does it intelligence work. now remember, the is phones case that was all built on the same light that i saw was not an investigative journalist. and publish a bought an intelligence agent. and that's how they punished him for almost 2 decades. the fact onto the finding the remove the clause for me and because i couldn't get him to give us a, in the end. but this particular link to claim that journalism is somehow intelligent. so bringing that into position, i think to use it against more individuals, surveys that use that against

a thoughts i agree, you know, in georgia and the last couple of minutes cycles. we had my interview with victoria new and essentially admitting what the 3 of us and much of our audience knew to be the united states and particularly the u. k. torpedo, a peace negotiation early on an account like any, any great, we were all called conspiracy theories. we were called nutters, we were called a bit, so you've got everything that made you can possibly say as a slur, but we weren't right. then we were right. ok, go ahead. we were right, but of course of no one contribute. acknowledges that any more than any want to acknowledge that the who the people who are right about the, the iraq invasion being in the box and list of them because they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. but the people who, oh, it's that invasion were rewarded with lucrative media gigs, you know, felt a dogs cheney mania in the united states. right. i'm gonna tell you exactly. i mean, i'm not gonna allow is,

is boasting boasting. but she's getting the endorsement of dick cheney in the list . jane know, i mean what and what knew and did the is admit that you sabotaged a possible piece. there was a, you know, more than 2 years ago. you sabotaged it. you know, whole, these lives go, have been saved, and really that's been barely any attention paid in the west media. so, but when kill style goes to washington. so how the media presented as well. this is a really an important step towards achieving peace in ukraine. no, that's okay about continuing the killing continue to the escalation was on how they present that as a, as a, as the road to please when there was a possibility, a peace and a uh and newland johnson and the rest of them sabotaged it. alright gentlemen, have covered a lot of ground here. i want to take my guess and assemble. and in budapest and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here on

a t c and next time. remember prescott pools, the american with a long history of facilities and the west to also try to recruit most scenarios for ukraine. we take a closer look at the electric unsuspecting. the 2nd attempted assassination of donald trump. definitely black and white. this is about good versus evil range and the rest of the world, hearing john jarvis on self concept, considering the suspects involved and to the ukraine conflict. some prominent effect given now speculating whether the post and with such a history or the acting on the order of alleged trunk shoots, his personal and public participation in military activity in ukraine. it is hard to imagine this white house has agencies complained 0 contact.