are also known in the world as alms dealers that we must not be ashamed of then or left. the hello and welcome to transfer both horns on peter labelle. nature is on the verge of a major military escalation against russia. nato is thinking the unthinkable. we explain why also r t is again in the news western relates, are obsessed with r t. we must be doing something right. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george, send me while we in budapest, these are pod cast or at the gate voltage meet out on youtube and locals and assemble. we have that each serial a month. he is a historic and political commentator, a gentleman, prospect girls and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's kick it off with george in budapest. over the last week,

there has been an intense discussion about ukraine using long range missiles, obviously western made, made to made to be um, um, used against um, being turned in interior, russian. what was wrong about that story? and as i suggested in my introduction, this is a nato strategy. this is what nato wants to do, and essentially, you will have nato, a back troops in russia proper today in the course guerria. there's no denying the nato is at war with russia. been that is the double speak the we keep getting from western and it leads to this day, is that no, no, no, no, we're not part of the conflict. well george, the rubicon has been crossed. go ahead, but you're absolutely right for you to and it is quite extraordinary that the nato ventures, particularly in the united kingdom, but in many parts of europe. uh,

i'll just gung ho and thinking yeah, yeah, we can take the take this additional step. uh, because uh, booked in his bluffing area. you know, everything in a book. we don't have to worry about anything that putin has to say. and it is very, very strange because, um, earlier uh, in the week, uh, booked, it has issued a very explicit stage. and now they, you know, they have been russian leaders currently who tend to just shoot their mouth, solve and make all sorts of the threatening declaration. but the don't let. so it's been quite measured in, in anything that he says here. he was very specific. he said that if you take this that, you know what you call the, your allow in ukraine to use your message, which is a misnomer, because essentially you will be using this muscle as, as you and your brain cannot use these muscles by them. so ukraine needs all this,

the satellite technology, the delayed gps, targeting everything that, that's only the nato countries can provide that. so therefore, if you don't take this step, it means essentially nato is a war with the roster up. and we will then act accordingly. that's a very that was very specific. and so, um, for the western countries, particularly in the united kingdom with the nearest 5 former u. k. defense secretary slate issue. the statement give you upgrade the storm, shadows immediately. so it means that the, there's a complete lunacy that is ripping the west. i mean they, they seem to be good and got into this habit of fighting awfully as a small, feeble of power as the cool kind of hit back. you know, for all the, you know, what the rock roll wrapping syria working panama hate it. well, i think that the same thing applies to rush or,

or don't have to take anything that you say sir, is just, or is just a thing. so we can just go ahead and do whatever we want to do. and the remarkable thing is that they don't have a plan b. well, what if russia isn't bluffing? then what are you going to do? what, what's your plan for it? and i have no, no idea if it can be done, that website can look at the present include ends, words here, and then move, which meaning the giving the, um, the premiums access to these long range missiles which george has bought rightly, pointed out cannot be used without nato assistance, this move, wade called, change the very nature of the conflict and would mean nato in russia where it war based. this is the very plain speaking here. the president went on to say that you know, more, that russia would take appropriate decisions coming. this is pretty clear stuff. these are a single syllable words that are being used in, i don't know what there is to be to, to be misunderstood. go ahead, or what if, if people are in the best of all,

i should say he gets the so called the dates of the west, west a reasonably normal and had phenomena intelligence working. i mean, like the intelligence that makes it headboard. and then these, what should suffice, right? absolutely, and maybe they have fun now. but the problem is that, as george also pointed out, they have gotten into the bad habit of mistake and continue with the russian restraint, which has saved us up until now from escalating towards the suite for a message. that means that the russian, remember a hit back at the, under any circumstances, even if they get that closely involved in direct the attacking bit from ukrainian territory deep into its own territory, right? this is what we're talking about here. that is totally insane. maybe the message that i put in sends out has got so i would add one thing, which is, i think the, the thing that is saving the world right now is that the rest of the data shift

makes a distinction which is very important. and this is my guess, and that's between the can be of love of us if they chose to do so. but i will be respond to that is our decision. i that i think is the position of the russian leadership. what they have told us, and i'm thinking you also have a statement that they meet at bas golf to speak of putting light on the reference of september. once they have told us, is the be a, be a response by the will be a response. but we have also actually left it open, what kind of response the be be? so they have various options. i personally think a little like a bond is if the best finding the takes a step is that they were on the best opponents in the rest of the world. and the right, not only ons and this rushing weapons, which would be one step think with, and this was lots of being alluded to the best that would be, but i'm very small how david told them, how is these weapons that are made?

you can add to that, all of them know how that russia has access to, via the it's connect chose to china on north korea, iran and so on. this, all of this is made available to opponents of the best thing in the middle east. and these can inflict very painful price, very painful cost, honestly. okay. on the usa, on fries there, larry, believe that they're very, very valuable. as george pointed out, basically, these are not your powers. and when these uh well, um, uh well my new powers are uh, upgraded, but technology done. they become very fierce. okay. george explained to me, you know, i'm just a talk show host. oh is gaming ukraine, these missiles under american and nato guidance. how is that helping you crane what this does? it isn't helping ukraine because some the, the various numbers we're getting for the,

the scale of the casualties so far. i just staggering. i mean, they just mind boggling and on both sides. um, but what's really going on here is this latest scribe, a jay, of keeping the wall going. they don't really have any and goal if you were to ask any needs or leave the will. okay, what's, what's your main game and what, what, what would you settle for? what, what would you claim as a, as something a result that is achievable and, and doable and was like to secure your interest. they wouldn't be able to answer, but just say we need to stop boot and we need to prevent bolton from winning because they put in wins on the account cuz you are a and that's really the problem. but the latest strategy is, well, let's keep this will going and, and that's where the, the, the, the problem live we have here, which is the major can do this. i mean, if you great is willing to do this,

they will need the grain is willing to sacrifice thousands upon thousands of, of its own people then, well, it can be, you know, just invested at least expensive. and that's will really need to, once they just wants to be in this position, that whatever rusher achieves in the dumbass, they can keep loving missiles into russia and keep raising the costs were offered and say, hey look, you wanted secure, it's a, the last thing you got is security as of, that's why it's a um, such a dangerous situation because because neither has no uh and getting no final. uh go end goal inside. they can just do this and say, hey, look, we weighed inflicting pain on russia. you know, the tiny point of the problems here is that, you know, well, i'm looking at the 3 of us here, right now. we're all children of the cold war and the low. yeah. what, what, how we got through the cold war. the conflict between the soviet union,

its satellites, and the west united states, and then satellites was deterrence. and deterrence works when both sides believe been deterrence. and one of the problems we have right now and makes it extremely dangerous, kind of a echoing some of the things that george says is that the west does no no longer believes in that russia does that. so that, that's a recipe for disaster. i think you're right, i would add one since we also go to the cold war because we were lucky and even deterrence such, you know, if you need to define intervention to survive as a species, we know about some of the incidents of really going the luck safe to us of us. 1962 was 1. 1983 was another one. i won't go into the details, but this idea that people have to the cold war was perfectly managed. that these are these on both sides of the things under control. all the time, it's completely wrong. we also go through because of the lucky and if it had gone on much longer, sooner or later, we both have run out of luck, right?

so if we start a new quote was, this is going to happen. but the other thing i would like to add is that the list has, as we know the suit as proxy work versus the acknowledged a 25th for the called a strategic defeat on russia. they wanted to move to russia in the international system. that's the idea, right? and now they have reached the point press, which has obviously my orthor and what is so terrible that i'm not shying back from boeing even further. they're going into a space, rushes nuclear deterrence does come into j as a vessels of want them very approximately several times. and then be at one point about your prior question is why is the best of doing this? i think george is absolutely right, but for some alice's, i would add something as i think the best has a double gang here long. it has tried to makes us more elders and bleed russia. that's the idea. they don't notice that bleeding themselves mean what?

but we also is, if the war is to be lost, then they want to crane to go 1st and acknowledge that ukraine is supposed to throw in the towel. and one way to do this is let you frame to, these resides even deeper into russia. let the russians q to but an ad ukraine because that they definitely blew. and when the agreement absorbs that less and less ukrainians finally. so for pace, because then those western politicians can fill up a hand and say, we have always said we will support you to the end. but if you wanted to end, all right, so there is a double strategy here. it's also about the possible exit from this last 4 funds. this last proxy for full rest on the lead, the day that i agree with you, but the problem is, i don't think the saying in nato a lisa will ever see another opportunity to inflict us with dietrich if the doctor

watches why don't think they're going to give up, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some illness. stay with our to the tab here. the establishment of the boxes for his email is been in 1933. the position of the indigenous population in the portuguese colonies deteriorated dramatically, especially in angola. decatur, antonio de, i live at salazar, encourage colonizing b and golden lands by europeans and sought after turning the country into a portuguese province, where the and goldens would be 2nd class people. in 1961,

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the l bore agreements were assigned in the country, gained independence after so many years of the brutal war. the water is part of it that the employee would post good. isn't the deepest view of us and bidding the word part? is it something deeper, more complex might be present there? let's stop without collisions. let's go. part of or the world of magic cross that boulevard is on beautiful though. here we are discussing some roommates. george, um you are frequent uh, a guest on r t. i think you, you, you're

a frequent guest and you're in very, very popular and politic, right, or. so this news outlet again is in the news. okay. well, we like to report the do is we don't always like to be the center of the news, but this is what's happening. george k u and i have talked to headlines about the phenomena and called the rest of gave hopes by heart determination were about 3 point. oh, we could be more nuanced. 85 point. oh, i'm not really sure um, but you know what's going on here. i mean r t is been banned in the west or overall. it's a lot on youtube. um, uh, we have uh this uh, uh, new iteration, nebraska game where some right wing a influencers were somehow um, quoted both paid off or you know what? we still don't know a lot of details about that. that's why i don't want to waste a lot of time on it. but what, what is the point here? i mean, it seems to me, in my humble opinion, misses focus the, the, the obsession they have with r t is the obsession with their own publics having access to other points of view.

but it's the attack on western republics, not on party, not on russia. and george, i, i agree with you, be that because when you look at see, the oxy basically is west and those west and is appearing on a platform provided by russia. so there, there's, you know, they keep talking about the propaganda from the criminal and there is no propaganda from the criminal level because everybody would be, is allowed to actually lives in the west. and these isn't a, this isn't voice in the west. so it's just simply the presentation of alternative points of view to the west, and probably the needs of that, which is the, in the process of government. some of the and this is a piece with the attack on the twitter with the attack on the door of and telegram, which is the suppression of rule. uh, this was an opinion, an interesting enough. um this of this horrible preacher, jamie rubin,

who is the head of this, the state development side global engagements that the he gave us news conference last week. and he explain why this of this attack on sees as well. we're losing the war in the, in the public opinion, all throughout the year to since you mentioned that will read the quote, you will go right back to you. this is the quote from the state department r t is one of the reasons the world has, has been not fully supportive of ukraine. that is from the us state department to go and join us. that's exactly. exactly. so we've, we've gone out of all way to tell the world this how terrible russia is, and how we muscle a rally behind the united states and nato. and this a proxy war and ukraine and the rest of the world is in buying it. and why is in the rest of the world buying it? see? so what the, this new attack analogy is about is we have to,

is to really go off to the rest of the world and to tell them you need to band t. and that's really what, that's what you need to amount of it. why do you need to do it? and then they come up with these loaded crisp explanations, lockable explanation as well. and they've got the cyber capability. and so they're engaged and intelligent. what inside lead george, we have that's why they have into that. i'm interested in that office of the internet. that's a cyber capable, any of the you able to lead w if you, if we miss the criticism here, i suppose the state department officials have to use the vpn to watch it. okay, i'm, i'm not really sure how they watts in here. but if you were to bite id and i invite a viewers of this program, want and watch an entire day of our tea look at all. but the news bulletins and all that. there's no one coherent draw of focus targeted message. all we get is people are just boy and honest. people disagree a lot. there's

a lot of disagreement on our tea itself. ok, there's no uniform method. this is jordan said, we have westgate or is coming on and criticizing policies of their own governments and global institutions. but there's no one single critique go ahead take. nope. i think you know, both, and that's the right above the way in which a t is a platform. really for best of this, it doesn't boyce's. and then when you notice, you know, solving history late. so it gets to, you could say that i teach and so tom is dot of the west. now, right? this is called russia actually facilitates west of this. it is to speak back to the west. that is one thing that or them, and of course, which is also right, that is, this is part of a larger pattern. i would add the attack on tip top as well, right? and so as we are attacking every thing that provides a platform for tentative points of view, which is very, very clear, the obvious thing that i found very interesting about this announcement is

specifically the point about the globe besides right. obviously there's a very colonialist mindset, right? ask for times or other people in the global sales do not have what you find and it's always happen. preston disclose magnet agency. they don't show was to watch a t somehow i t is manipulating that. but this tells you a lot about the ways they see is a cobar falls, maybe an extremely arrogant terms. and what is interesting, 2nd to you about this, is that they apply the same logic to their own publics right at home. so they treat that wisdom complex was the same arrow. goods is the same basic, the colonialist, our guns that they treat, the public's off the global south. the only ones in the mended mation of these west and they lead to have any right to actually make their own choices. i'll bring them sets right, nice window and societies know outside of the globe, but solves,

can anybody as less be left to their own devices? to actually figure out what they want to hear, listen to a watch. now i don't think this will provide, i think this is, is so ridiculous, says once again, i think this is a cellphone, a mess of stuff on it. i want to actually work in a no charge. it's interesting if we look at the, the timeline that's going on, this attack, reason attacked by the d o j r, and hard t comes when kamala harris's poll numbers weren't as good as everybody was hoping on. the political left of next month, russian will host a very significant brick summit, is getting a lot of a lot of excitement. a lot of people are going to be showing up. it's going to be a big deal as they say here. this the timing of this attack on our defense vehicle incidence? no, i don't think so. and i think it's a, it is tied to the election. it's cool that clearly a very anxious about getting

a comma harris across the finish line. the pulling numbers are not right, and this is a part of it is about it, and somehow russia is interfering in election the rustic the is somehow preventing call hours from when a permit. it's broke labor russians are preventing the american seeing the glory of a common law, harris. and there's no question this is, this is a, uh, absolutely a proud of it. um, but it is initially the, it's a massive failure on the part of the united states to persuade the rest of the world. and it's a sole point that you know, they have all these um, uh, these boats in the united nations and then they keep demonte. you have to impose sanctions unless you have to impose century got to stop doing business and no one's buying and they get a good continue to do business with russia. and oh yeah. and so this is a real feeling that we've got to do something. and incidentally, what are the, you know, when reuben was speaking to, reuben was explicit in strengthening. it was issuing threats against the,

the global so that you, if you don't play bull with us, we're going to make life very, very painful for, you know, you see all these instruments. we have financial science since economic sanctions. um, you know, are there ways we can stop the leasing the justice department against you? is that this explicitly so, you know, you better play bull with us and start cutting off the off. so teddy a george's, absolutely, and all that their tool box as it were, but this is an admission that they can't win an argument. yeah, that's fine. important, i think because of all in, in, in western philosophical thinking, right. it's an extremely old argument that goes back to one of plato's dialogues, but, but they explained that the best rhetoric, the best debating takes me is to have the better case, no tricks replace but, and they're coming up against the spot z. i actually the ones deploying and the most amount of very bad results propaganda around a lot,

but it doesn't add up. so the opponents, including those will speak on out to you, but not only have to, but the cases and lose begins to test. that's what they're coming up against, and that's why they're so frustrated. let me add one point as we're talking about this threats for the iphone, particularly um, and that's about what the said is that the legs are that a t is the fact or an intelligence or has or does the intelligence work. now remember, the assigned case that was all built under the same light that i saw was not an investigative journalist. and publish a bought an intelligence agent. and that's how they punished him for almost 2 decades defunct onto these findings to remove the clause from him because they couldn't get him to give us a, in the end. but this particular link to claim that journalism is somehow intelligent. so bringing that into position,

i think to use it against more individuals, surveys that use that against a thoughts i agree, you know, in georgia and the last couple new cycles we had um i have an interview with victoria new and essentially admitting what the 3 of us and much of our audience knew to be the united states and particularly the u. k. torpedo, a peace negotiation early on in the conflict. any, any great, we were all called conspiracy theories were called nutters. we were called a bit, so you've got everything that made you can possibly say as a slur, but we weren't right. like then we were right. okay, go ahead. we were right, but of course, um, no one of the previous acknowledges that any more than any want to acknowledge that the who the people who are right about the, the iraq invasion being in the box and less of them because they didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but the people who judge that invasion were rewarded with lucrative media gigs in a self de dogs, jamie and mania in the united states. so i'm going to tell you exactly. i mean,

i'm not gonna allow is, is boasting boasting, but she's getting the endorsement of dick cheney in the list. jane know, i mean the input and what you and did the is admit that you sabotaged a possible piece. there was a, you know, more than 2 years ago, you sabotaged it, you know, whole, these lives go, have been saved. and really that's been barely any attention paid in the west media . so, but when kill style goes to washington. so how the media presented as well, this is a really an important step towards achieving peace in ukraine. no, that's okay about continuing the killing, continuing of the escalation was on how they present that as a, as a, as the roku please when there was a possibility, a piece and a uh and newland johnson and the rest of them sabotaged it. all right gentlemen, are covered a lot of ground here. i want to take my guess and assemble. and in budapest and of

course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here on a t c. and next time. remember, prescott was the about doing on august the 6 ukrainian troops across the border and the launch the full scale and caution that the rest as coast region of um we could, we could start with the north focusing there offensive on. so jeff battelle near the border, the

soldier scrub, was to several settlements, was seized with this uh, setting as well sir. so special models, the commercial subsidy ellipse video reps. video with russian troops moved out to the battles in counter terrorism. operation ration was imposed and the curse for yonce could spend the regents mazda from a farm dealer board in a supply. i've been looking at that invoice reflects the motives at the last bill. let's look forward to hearing from you said your faithful civil, listed in the study. the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills,

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