what seems like a forwarded assassination attempt again, i'm rec, sanchez, let's do this the far right. so we're going to do this story. everyone seems to be talking about it. it's what authorities are saying at this point that we have for you apparently a secret service agent who accompanies the former president when he plays golf. spotted something weird he saw like what looked like like a sticker, something sticking out of a fence that borders the area where mr. trump plays golf in uh, palm beach, florida. when, when the agent went over there to take a look, they found an, a k style rifle with a scope and a gopro camera right there in that layer of that side. right. the suspect obviously saw the agents coming toward him. so he, he took off, he was eventually caught by the way, so we know who he is. now. let me show and tell you that is ryan ralph. he was

a rained in a federal court monday morning on several charges and putting gun possession. why did he want to shoot the former president while playing golf? well, by all accounts is because he is obsessed with russia. seems to hate the place hates the country, hates the president, has expressed a desire to blow up the capital. his obsession has even led him to cave, where apparently he tried to join the military, they're to fight against russia, also recruit others to do so. he's very much out there when it comes to social media platforms using those social media platforms. as best i can tell to attack anybody who has a contrasting opinion. then here's let me give you an example. here is going after areas going after chelsea gabbert where he rides you are an idiot. why don't you go and join pollutant and trump and be there 3rd leg. please leave hawaii. you embarrass me? ah, shut your stupid mouth. he rides,

and then he goes on to say that he's going to go and fight in, dive for ukraine. so, i mean, there you have a ticket as you well ralph is to say the very least, a bit of a strange bird who seems very angry and very obsessive. he also seems to display a decades long uh, criminal history for all kinds of things like serious gun violations resisting arrest and other run ends with the police over the past 10 or 15 years. yeah. here's what's kind of weird i think anyway, despite all of that, the new york times is written about this guy. and when they wrote about them, they wrote about him. this is a long time ago. well, 2023. they don't mention any of these things that i just mentioned to you, any of these details about his character. this article about americans who have bought into the anti rush or hype and are now volunteering to go to ukraine and fight on behalf of ukraine and recruit others to fight for ukraine. that, that's,

that's what the article was about. so let me read from this article to you now ready. the article highlights routes efforts. in fact, here, this is what it says. ryan ralph, a former construction worker from greensboro, north carolina is seeking recruits from among ask dan soldiers who fled the towel about mister ralph, who spent several months in ukraine last year, said he help plan to move them in some cases illegally from pakistan to a ron and then to ukraine. now, as i'm reading this to you, i'm just thinking of myself and i can't help but wonder if that little mini profile by the times didn't like maybe even harden. ralph, even more, you know, perhaps making him feel like, you know, maybe he'd finally found his true calling. right after all, i mean, he'd lucky, it's not every day the new york times calls you and says they want to write a story about you right here. they are profiling them. well, that's not fair. it wasn't a profile of him. it was a profile of other people who were doing what he was doing,

but he was among those to be fair and accurate. but it also makes one wonder and given his public profile what our government did or did not know about him. some other interesting point. this is edward snowden, wondering about the very same thing on twitter, right? he writes, again, this is edward snow, not me. he writes with the alleged troubleshooters, personal and public participation in military activity and ukraine. it's hard to imagine how the white houses agencies can claim 0 contact, you know, and then he writes parent directly clean hands. something about oswald vibe here. congress should get answers. all right, if you think that sounds a little overly conspiratorial sort of why i think it is overly conspiratorial at this point. what do you do? you do wonder how does sky become sole obsessed with hating russia? that it took over his whole persona and then did this thing, i mean if he did it, it's alleged. um, well i think it has to do with messaging,

the kind of messaging that we get in this country from the media. the media who by the way, it takes orders from certain people in our government who make monsters out of our adversaries for war and profit, i think. and this guy went in deep. i mean, he went in real the manila. what say if you and welcome back. thank you very happy to be back wreck and boy, what a week to come back to. uh 1st, i mean, addressing this whole issue of conspiracy. i think if we harkened back to just oh, year or 2 ago during the whole cobit era, i think the difference between a conspiracy theorist and factual journalist, or what have you, is, i don't know, give it's 6, give it 6 months. i think we're gonna cover a lot more facts about mr. ralph. # from what we know, the scant information we have is a lot of screeds,

rambling screeds for social media. and like you said, i agree with you. he seems to have been deluded into this whole good versus bad ukraine. good russia evil, you know, zalinski good blood them are put in the demon from hell. yeah, this is all, as you pointed out, that i think rightfully so is through so much intense media and just completely highlighting pro ukraine, pro ukraine. never, ever hearing the other side of this war. i mean, look, i'm myself personally, you know, against any wars, but that's just not the world that we live in. and things don't happen in a vacuum. and mr. ralph has had his, you know, 15 minutes of fame right before this would be the attempted assassination, where he actually spoke to, i guess, local press in ukraine and news week actually got ahold of that video. 5 and he

explains what he's doing there in ukraine, and he pays this caricature of how he views this world foreign policy. and the role of the united states as being this, you know, 100 percent, always right in the good and ukraine is, is yeah, yeah, roles and yeah, it is people, but we hear this 247 for the media rick for 2 and a half straight years. that, that's the point, you know, words, our enemies are all monsters. our allies are all the most perfect people in the world. and, you know, as you just said, usually things don't work out that way. the monsters aren't really that bad or monsters, and the good guys aren't always all that good. unfortunately, in our media that doesn't exist anymore. id, like we said, you know, even during the vietnam war, there were those who were pesky enough to ask questions. and then the, eventually, the american people started asking the kind of questions that helped to end that war. where are those reporters? where are those people today? and that, that, yeah, and you're right, that's part of what the problem is right now. but it's not just with it's, i see,

i don't think it's just what the left. cuz look here, here's what i think. and then i want to ask you about this as well as the media on the left. as americans chasing goes on foreign affairs front. i would argue the media on the right does the same thing on domestic issues. wedge issues like there's no better example of this obviously than what's happening this weekend in springfield, ohio. yeah, for you guys now officially investigating death threats against members of the haitian american community. that this is causing schools to shut down the outdoor activities to be cancelled here. take a listen. wittenberg, university in springfield, canceling all in person activities on campus. after administrators said they received an email from a, a potential shooting on campus, specifically targeting members of the haitian community and in the state dealers that went out overnighted, students and staff administrators. referencing that local uptake and threats against area schools, government buildings, and hospitals. all of this since tuesdays debate when former president trump on

stage repeated that viable and local official stress baseless claim that haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio are stealing and eating people's pad. now here's what i see this haitian phobia created by media, mostly on the right. just like the rush of phobia created by media mostly on the left a. it's a horrible trend and a byproduct of the deterioration of our media in general. americans have stopped believing in what used to be subjective journalism. so they now seek alternatives that tell them only what the hell they want to hear. and the government and both parties, the republicans and the democrats, validated they like it. they like what the media does is, i mean, you want to develop an obsessive hatred of russia. just watch them as nbc all day. i guarantee you, you'll come out hating russia. you want to develop an obsessive hatred of immigrants in general, whether they're asian or not, watching news macs all day. i get. 2 on to you, you'll come out with

a hatred obsession of all immigrants in general. be they legal or really go by the way. go ahead middle. i want to bring you back and i, i bet you want to weigh in on this cuz you know, i'm an immigrant. this means a lot to me and i know it does to you too. bye. yeah, i am the child of immigrants. and again, i'm going to hearken back to just 2 years ago during the whole coven era where we saw again, inflammatory rhetoric coming from president. trump. i guess at that point, that was 4 years ago when he was still a president. and the inflammatory words that he chose, that, that kind of snowballed into what became asian hate. and the whole chinese web markets. and the asians eat weird things, are eating baths. they're eating this and that. and the other thing, because it's like you said, creates this vina phobic environment and the media depending on which you know, side of the aisle you fall. 1 on what you to watch is gonna support you and keep

you in that silo of hate for this thing. or the other thing. it's a lot of media hype, probably, and there seems to be no fairness when it comes to, you know, this topic or that topic and, and to your point, the fact that people have social media to amplify, not only what they watch on tv, but now they have social media to amplify and further dig into whatever it is that they believe. whether it's, you know, haitians eating caps or you know, a cobit started at a chinese, what market with the chinese folks eating baths. it certainly creates an environment for hate that should you would think, should be stamped out at this point because the whole point of social media was to connect to people. and to make us get to know one another and learn one another instead of as further siloed people into whatever it is that they believe. and. and with these, the, the haitians there specifically and in springfield, ohio,

i think in all fairness to the people there at the end of about $60000.00 people. and when you bring in an influx of 20000 other people you're, you're talking, you know, a new one 3rd of the population or brand new. and i think any reasonable person could unders man, why no restrictions cars back around. right, would be frustrated and, and kind of put off by this whole brand, new influx of people that need to, you know, aid that are going to put strain on resource. and that's what i'm getting pets. thing. there are real reasons to be upset that there are migration problems. yeah. and that's part of the history of the world, part of the history of the united states, or bo, has been other communities who come in and make the communities or where they're feel threatened by it. and that's something that requires context and real conversation. and you need a media to be able that, that is able to come in and, and, and just like we could look at the whole russia ukraine situation and there's plenty to blame with russia and say, i wish there's some things that they have done differently. but you don't solve the problem by name calling and you don't solve the problem by accusing people reading

other people's pets. so and, and that, but that's what i've gotten for. that's where they live. that's what seems to help them prosper. and that, by the way, on the immigration front especially, is it going to be talking about in just a little bit with our next guest, but excellent conversation, what go back manella missed you thank you so happy to be back, correct. we'll see you again tomorrow. all right, so when we come back we're going to be drawn by the person who's written one of the best books on this very subject. i'm even chomsky is a professor at salem state university of massachusetts and she's going to join us talk uh next to talk about how and why immigration has become such a hostile topic in america. how do we get here? right? we'll be right back. you stay right there. the

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east the mazda, the, of the. so let me tell you about our next guests. welcome back. i'm rick sanchez, doctor of eva chomsky wrote and documented how immigration became illegal. and recently she also released central america's forgotten history revolution, migrants and the roots of migration. the good professor is good enough to join us now. um, i guess we start with where we are in the united states as far as news goes. what, what, what do you make of this new immigration controversy that this time happens to be about? that, that feel weird even saying this haitians eating other people's pets. but i say that knowing that it sounds ridiculous just to phrase it that way or frame it that way. because i think there's so much more to the story. right? definitely. and you know, i was just listening with interest to what you were talking about before about the

assignment was in the media and you know, the right wing and the blustering media. but i would actually say that, well, you know, i'm not even sure we really have a left wing media in the states lease about, well, it's very widely available. mm hm. and that, that there's, while there is a difference between, you know, the sort of trump narrative and then i could say the bite and harris new york times narrative. um, in that the binding harris new york times narrative, which i would call pretty much a center or mainstream rather than a left us narrative. right? a, it will be jack to some of the inflammatory language used by the, the trump, the narrative and the break. we media and to it's terrible, it's races. we don't want to say things like this. that's not who we are. they always say. but i actually think that they share

a good deal of the narrative. um hm, by uh, i mean 1st of all if you look at the binding administrations, policies, people, bomb and ministrations, policies the binding administration's policies as compared to the terms of ministration policies. you see a lot of criminalization of immigrants and really draconian anti immigrant policies being enforced at the border. you see all of them promoting this narrative is that there is a crisis at the border. and i mean, you see the new york times promoting this too. and you really see the mainstream media failing to challenge the underlying narrative. even the immigrants are a threat and the border is a security threat even while they try to take a more uh, a softer line and say, oh, but we're not racist. like trump and oh yeah, no, i have not seen any analysis on the part of the near times or

other mainstream media or the biden administration. the harris campaign as to what has the united states role being in the hey, yeah, from the crises that yeah, i've seen people out of here by the way, but we, we should probably take a step back and ask a question here to be fair and you're right, by the way, we use labels all the time and sometimes they're not correct. labels are always something you use as a guide, but don't take them too seriously. i think you're right to characterize it as the pro truck movement in america. and the democratic movement in america is a better description right now for what's going on. then then left and right. you're also right to say that it looks to me like kind of harris is actually co opting most of mr. trump's immigration policies. but now let's talk about what people are talking about in the country and, and manila raises point. what do you say to those people in this moment who live in springfield, ohio, and they feel besieged by all of these people?

who are so different? don't necessarily speak their language because as we know, most patients speak french or poplar, what our pre or whatever you want to call it, but don't look like them. and they already feel like as americans, things are being taken away from them. and now they see these 20000 people come in and then they feel they don't feel good about that. do they have a right to not feel good about that? should we not tell their stories too? well, of course the media should be telling everybody stories. how ever um, i have not seen, and i mean the media has quoted the city officials from springfield residence of springfield, dawn immigrant residence of springfield. i have not seen the victory all coming from people in springfield. on the contrary, um, i have seen people in springfield saying, yes, there are pressures on services and,

and we have to figure out how to adjust and the schools. but i am not seeing that kind of vitriol coming from people in anybody who i've seen interviewed in springfield. now that's not to say that one couldn't go to springfield and find somebody who's going to of course, of course the assist anti immigrant statements. but i mean servers that have been done in the united states of actively shown that there's more anti immigrant sentiment in places that have not experienced immigration. then there is in regions that have experienced immigration because in regions where there are significant numbers of immigrants. i think a lot of people understand the of the multiple layers of how immigration affects a community. where as it's the people in communities that have not experienced immigration, that are more likely to latch onto these narrative said, well in advance of default, you know, yeah,

to blame everything that's wrong. and there are like not only in communities where there are large numbers of federal grants, there are a lot of structural economic problems, housing issues, pressures on services, in areas that have not experienced immigration as well. yeah, i, i was one set to do a series of reports all over the country on communities effective this way. and i found one in north georgia. it's called dalton, georgia. that used to be the market mill the, the place where they make carpeted and cook stacked with carpet capital of the world. but then all the people used to work there who are just regular, you know, old people who had come back from the world. war 2 had either died off and the children didn't want their jobs. so they literally recruited and got tons of latin americans to go in there. so i went there and i asked the chamber of commerce and i asked the pastors and i as the, the people who had all the small businesses. and they said, we loved these guys, they're always here on time. they never commit crimes. they are great workers. i was like, this is not the story. i had thought i was going to be writing. so you're,

you're absolutely right. yeah, springfield was a community in decline that was losing population. it was a dying community where industries have closed and everything that i have read coming out of springfield has talked about. and this is not only springfield, but very common and other rural, declining communities around the united states and not only rural, but also urban declining communities. that it's the immigrant population that is revitalizing places that are losing yes relation. yes, they're losing capacity to survive as community. so just x i see and says that are more apt to create new jobs there. i mean, because they start new businesses because they come here, they get together with families, they're more after work more hours than the average american. they're less apt to commit crimes than the average american. so the statistics are charlotte, but i still understand why someone feels bad about losing their community and some of that is just emotional and we have a right to discussion about to have

a discussion about it. we don't have a right to accuse people about eating other people's pets. but here's the point that, that, that i love talking to you about. and here's the thing that most americans, most of my fellow americans and your fellow americans don't understand those people who come to america. they don't want to be here. i mean, yeah, they want to be here now because it's a great place to live and you can do with their their, their goal in life was not to wake up one day and honduras or venezuela or cuba, or anywhere and say, i'm going to leave here and go work and go be somewhere else. the conditions cast upon them but caused them to make that decision were often caused by something and external force that happened in their country wars, drug stuff. more often than not. i hate to say it. we cause it. yes, us go to old who i say we go into these countries, we create conditions that make the people want to leave that and we get mad that

they're here. am i wrong? really? you know, if you look statistically, think reader the us intervention is in the country, the more immigrants come to the united states and that goes for basically the entire world everywhere. yeah. trevino, and everywhere our companies are pushing people off the land, and everywhere we sign free trade agreements. we start seeing the waves of migration. why the, you don't hear that on cnn. you don't hear that on fox. you don't hear about in the new york times. you know, i mean it's, you know, it is, it takes chomsky and sanchez to be having this discussion in here on a channel is not even allowed to be seen in the united states kind of sucks, but that's what i mean that. um, well, we're not allowed to be seen in the united states now, apparently not, but you're being seen by tens of millions of people everywhere else. and of course they, they are watching us in the united states, but not on like cable television, i should say,

no to you. but that's exactly what i mean by that. the mainstream media reinforces the far right narratives by neglecting or refusing or wilfully deciding not to address those questions. huh. well, and why did they do that? why did they do that? why, why, why won't rachel, matt, why we rachel metal complain about putting in russia. but she won't tell you about we what we just did in venezuela. why is one interference, but the other one is on, on mentionable? well, i would say a couple of different reasons. one is that the media is of a commercial operation, right? it's the money making operation. yeah. and so it's dependent on advertising and it's dependent on readings. and that pushes the media into

a both prioritizing readings and prioritizing not alienating. they've sponsors, but another piece is that the media is it's not easy to break into the media world. hi. am i talking to you instead of the new york times for so that the people who rise in the media world are people who bite into and accept the dominant narratives. and anybody who challenge, you know, and i see that. yeah, in universities to that, if you start questioning too many things and causing too much trouble, people are going to say and all that person is hard to get along with or that person and you know, doesn't really fit our culture. and that's how so this and people are educated into a system and those who accept the norms of the system of those who are going to rise in the system. you know, they say

a good conversation should be one where 2 people are kind of thinking about what the next question is and figuring out what the topic is as they get into it. and i felt like you and i have done that during this conversation. i was like thinking through what you were saying and you were responding to some of the comments that i made. so for me it's been a real delight. i hope people all over the world who watches conversation enjoyed as much as i did. thank you so much, professor for your time. i your very welcome. thanks for having me on. all right, likewise, and that's our show. remember, like, we always like to say around here the truths they don't live in boxes, right? so always look outside your own box. when you're looking for truths, i'm gonna say inches, we'll be looking for you next time the, the window for the 1st one for a consent reset the dislikes. any of this is

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