kimberly in new york, she is an executive editor of the block agenda reports in jersey city. we have sandra flounders, she is a co director of the international action center and in cypress. we crossed the dimitri. what scott is. he is a lawyer and freelance journalist, all right, across black roles of the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate margaret, let me go to you 1st in new york. i'm titling this program losing the argument because this is essentially what this is really all about. it's not about nefarious agendas or a for an interference activity. no, it's just the, the, the, the western world, particularly in the united states is, is lost. the rest of the world and it's messaging and we'll get to it. we can mention ukraine later, but this is what this is all about. and so what they do is instead of countering with a better argument, they were they resort to sanctions. i'm sorry, it's as simple as that margaret as well. absolutely, that is especially the by the administration. relies on sanctions relies on

censorship. they have lost the argument on not to jump ahead on ukraine, but on many other issues. they've lost the argument on gaza and all they have left, frankly, is refreshing. and one of the ways to do that is to restrict information they work hand in hand with the corporate media, the new york times. it's like a state department press release, but r t or africa stream, or any of these other outlets are smeared are sanction i thought r t was already sanctioned. i don't know what more they can do to r t a as if, and that's the other thing is if people who are watching or t at gunpoint, it doesn't seem to matter that there are people who want this information. who want independent media, who don't want to be restricted to the media that works with the administration networks with the state in? no, sir, they that it's one of the things i find. so preposterous is just as markets pointed

out, i mean, people that are watching r t watching this program in the west. you have to make effort, you have to get a vpn, you have to be, you have to spend money. and you know, in hard time spending money on a vpn may be a luxury for some people, but they still do it. i mean, no one is forcing anyone to watch this program, but the more they bill applies to more people will actually watch this program. sarah, well i think that's true because people are actively in the millions, speaking alternative information, they don't trust anything coming out of the media despite not a media that's non stop press releases. the overwhelming majority of the population and every poll is against continue us. nato war is in sympathy with gaza, even if they don't understand anything going on. there is a shut down on every level, all forms of information. and so people, of course,

humans are curious. they do go looking for alternative media, but the shut down of social media is just the systematic. it's what you can no longer get in terms of millions of years. so we're in the streets for, for guys. all kinds of spots on instagram, on youtube, one x, or just shut down on a moment's notice. the folks who had tens and tens of thousands of followers who they no longer exist. and that's what's happening. also on every level, it's happening to r t. but it is happening to all forms of alternative media in the us today and happens that the very historic record, every r t program over years just was taken off for you to all go on. yeah. as a historic record you have it. but sarah, can you get, can you think of one historical example where a power and authority does this?

and they're on the right side of history. i can think of one example where they were afraid when you were afraid, you co worse. okay, let me go to dimitry here. you go ahead and go ahead sir, i'm sorry, go ahead. i'm just saying it never succeeds. censorship is really a last resort and it's a failing resort. absolutely, absolutely. dimitry, one of the curious things that i pointed this out on, on, on, on twitter, and i got a lot of likes, but i got pushed back to which is fine. i'm for, for free speech. but demetrius of most of people, particularly on this program here, people from the west, willingly appear on this program to give their views. and their views, in many cases is not of the, of the, of the powers that be. and this is what they, they want to punish people. they want to scare people off a chilling effect of making sure that no one will appear on our tea, including this program. well, it's not working apparently, dimitri, i can give you

a classic example of this theater in canada where i spend much of my time. and then from there has been a narrative from the government that the claim that the west orchestrated the crew in 2014 and ukraine is russian propaganda. that's what they've been saying. i came to that conclusion back in 2014 and it wasn't on the basis of anything. i assure you anything that the russian government said there were basically 3 main pieces of information. number one, the, the conversation between victoria newland and jeffrey piatt. the ukranian us investor to ukraine in which he chose the next leader of ukraine. number 2, john mccain and victoria newland standing beside you printing alternation. listen to the streets of 2 of the same piece of port. number 3. there was a peer reviewed study by ukrainian professor in canada and showed that a majority of the uh, the people who had been killed. the cio were killed by supported opponents of the

government, not by supporters of the you know, the government. and so i made a decision based upon that evidence and other other events, nothing having to do with the russian government about was that was a us and western order screwed into. and now i'm accused of being a russian show because my, my opinion, which was deformed independently of the russian government, coincides with side of the russian government. that's ludicrous. yeah. i mean, you know, also, you know, margaret, we had marks of cooper, a guess. it's 2 weeks ago now, so suddenly came out with a, a public letter that he regretted his organization regretted being. and um, um and was my 1st word is intimidated. be instructed by the government not to report on the hunter biden laptop. and then you know, years later, so we kind of made a mistake. are we going to see this again? because these are the words here that met is met a is using, they are a sensor in banning r t out with a news outlets based on the claim of foreign in the interference activity. well,

that was the same thing that they said back in 20 in 22 in the year to 20. 20. 0, in the election. i mean, this is the, this is repeating itself, margaret. of course it isn't. we're, we're seeing we're seeing censorship on facebook. speaking of which some of our articles, we try to post our black agenda report articles and they are immediately taken down . we see that it's community standards and we're posting spam. it's just an article and they take them down right away. so the hunter biden story, you know, it's a, by himself made his son a campaign issue by pressuring social media, corporate media. not to report this story. and to claim that anyone who said anything about it was following a russian government line. so i,

i didn't need dr berg to admitted that i, what i'd like for them to do is admit why they are, they are actively removing independent media post from facebook. they and it's really ratcheted up in this election campaign season. and i'm sure that's well, that's part of the reason they have their phone on the scale. they know who they want to win. and they believe that the only way to do that is to restrict access to information. anyone who's critical of their narrative. and also, sarah, i mean we're, this is the latest iteration of russia gay to me. we had the original one. trump was a, a sarah, good for the russians, never proven. the muller reports all the money, the years, the media, the attention was complete. bars, a 100 biden's laptop. and here we go again. i mean it's, it's a, you know, i would have thought it was a one trick pony, but apparently not, sir. well, the problem when you try to use the same story again and again and again,

is this loses all of its residents. i don't see any, it didn't have a certain poll a certain impact, a few years back, but now it really only elicits so you on. and i don't think it changes mines at all . and they jumped from one country to another, rushes interfering and us elections. china is interfering, and us selections around is interfering. and if you have so much, sir, but sir, is israel interfering in american elections? and they'll tell you of course not. and yet of course, it is with ends and tens of millions of dollars of big lobbying organizations as we all know. so this is what goes on all the time. and yet it loses its ability over a real period of time to impact people's i think a consciousness or anger when you're told again and again that it's bots that are

running around creating false narratives. i just don't feel that level of concern coming from people today. or anger, except there is a deep feeling that the media, the corporate media and the us lies. yeah. or that won't wash away. that won't watch like dimitry. do you feel like the government is protecting you from bad information? i mean, i asked that in my, um guess, and i asked that of my audience, you feel protected by your government when it comes to information. you know, there's no one i trust more than myself to judge what is true and false. and i say that because i've practiced law for over 30 years, i've lived in multiple countries, i've discerned, and by the way, the legal system in which i practice is based on something called the adversarial principle. right? is that the discover? the truth is through a clash of ideas and a neutral arbiter for deciding who's right and who's wrong in a court of law. we have

a band and that principle outside the traditional system and we're starting to abandon that within the legal system as well. we come to the conclusion that the government are governments in the west, which repeats have been shown to be pathological liars. for example, planning that is real is defending itself. when in fact it slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians. we are being told that these people are better arbiters than we are selves. even though the principle of our electoral democratic system is that each and every citizen has the ability to discern right from wrong and truth from false are all right, we don't have to jump in here. we have, we have to go to hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on free speech, stay with the what is part of is it that the

employee would post good? isn't the deepest view of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good, let's stop without please. is that scope out of i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're such shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence. the point obviously, is to create a trust rather than to the various jobs. i mean with the artificial intelligence. we have somebody in the team in the a robot must protect this phone. existence was alexis

i'm are executive and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please, or do the have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you the, the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm curious about your mind. you were discussing free speech. the

words go back to margaret in new york. ukraine has already been mentioned here, and i think it's fairly, very important to, to mentioned. and again, we had a state department officials, i think his name is reuben right next to anthony blink. and who i refer to is the undertaker on this program. he said reuben, r t is one of the reasons the world has a, has been not fully supportive of ukraine. well, that's actually quite transparent and i appreciate the observation because it's absolutely right. ok. the world isn't buying into their narrative. why should the global cell get involved in a conflict generated by the west? ok. and so this is what the, this is what really upsets them. ok, is it, the former colonial people won't get in line. they won't, they can't get through their fix goals with their best interests are. i mean,

this is a real interesting turning point. and the global south on a number of issues guys has already been mentioned here, or they're beginning to get their voice is clear and heard, and they're not going to be lectured anymore by the likes, a blinking go ahead margaret as well. uh, absolutely. and you know, by leslie, forget by them said they would turn the ruby to rubble. they were going to destroy rushes economy. and how did they do that by raising oil prices all over the world in hurting global south nations? they're not stupid. and now we see china having a summit of african leaders, we have the bricks meeting coming up, and they are terrified that the, the global south nations will change their alliance. we have a multi polar world. it is a reality. and that means that nations are free to have whatever alliances they want to talk to whom they want to be friendly with the ever they want. but that's

what they fear. they ruled by fear with sanctions, by punishing any country that stepped out of line. so to speak, that's steps away from their narrative. and uh, and that's what they're afraid of what is already happened and they cannot stop it . that's the other thing. these are people. i think they can stop something that is unstoppable. we're seeing realignments around the world, and that is a good thing. it's good for everyone. it's good for people in this country. it's good for people all over the world. but we have a most, i'm democratic state in this country, which wants to have complete, had germany over the rest of the world and had germany is bad for people in the west. at the end of the day. we should point out, ok, it only serves a very small lead. you know, sarah, the, the, what, what's, it would be laughable if it weren't so serious is, but if you look back, okay,

we've already mentioned the, the 2016 election. we had russia gay, we had the 100 by the laptop. i, personally, i would throw in cove id, but we can put that as a sidebar if you want. but you know, a lot of these things that are called can experience the theories that come from the leads themselves that come from main stream media comes from governments. you know, the rest of us are trying to figure out what's going on. if we question it, then we're automatically a conspiracy theorist. you see my point, go ahead sir. well, this is an age old trick or you know there's, there should just be one official religion. there should just be one official narrative and it never succeeds. it's not succeeding today. and what the really, what the us corporate power doesn't want, the people in the us to, to know, to really understand is that this is an empire going down, collapsing on every front. economically they can't impose their will any more.

there are real alternatives that the people, the world and the certainly the global south are looking at. no matter how much they lecture. they can't force countries in line. and they're also beyond frustrated that there are sanctions on russia that they ordered the whole world to fall were completely ignored. so that is a big problem for them. and they're going to blame. of course, they're gonna blame or to you. they're going to blame everybody under the sun for the failure of their own economic power. it's lost its position in the world, and it's not coming back. it's really, they don't have the productive capacity anymore. so they're trying to impose, it's strictly to military and censorship measures and saying any discussion of this very different world is off the table is off limits as unpatriotic is means you're

an agent of a foreign power. really. i mean it's beyond ridiculous. the very charges that they're making and yet, but they, they because they can't explain. ready it appears to explain what's really happening. yeah, i tried to be 3 because i just don't have a good answer for what is happening. their narratives are not believed. they're actually easy to, to tear apart and deflate. i mean, it's all, it's almost, and you look at the new york times and in you look at and say, what are they trying to pull or what that they tried to pull on me now? i mean, that's how i look at it because it's, it's most of it is so absurd on its face and is sarah is pointing out, you know, they're the, we see a m is a ration of western populations because of all of this. and they're starting to react and they're not going to believe the stories that are coming from their leaks, not anymore anymore. go ahead, dimitri. yeah, you're seeing the confidence in the mainstream media and the political class and

united states and other western states and all the time, lois and the greatest conspiracy theory i think of the last 5 or 6 years was the notion that the provide laptop was a russian dis, information campaign. this was sorted by dozens of so called intelligence professionals at the time when the f b, i knew that the 100 button laptop was really the one thing i want to add to was i don't think this is just about suppressing the troops. i think this is also about antagonizing western public's western electorates towards your political rivals of the west, so that they will support 2 things. they'll support much larger military and intelligence budgets. and secondly, they will support much more belligerent policies towards china and russia. for example, allowing your brain to use long, long range weapons inside russia. that's. there's really 3 purposes. certainly suppressing the truth is a big part of this. but there's more going on here than just that. i agree with you . absolutely. and because mar greg looked at the 2 candidates that are running for the white house. what is the difference at the end of the day?

okay. they can argue about patients eating cats and dogs and springfield pine, but you know, what about war and peace? they're on the same page. of course they are. that's why dick cheney has endorsed commer harris. dick cheney liberals used to he has endorsed her why she brags about how many republicans are supporting her campaigns. so what is the difference? i mean is it's very obvious. they're not even trying to, uh, to, to hide the fact that the, the, due off the weeks of work together on the issues that are of importance to them. so they can talk about abortion or some other issues, important issues where they differ. but they're both neo liberal parties. they're both imperialist parties. they both believed or not stary, neither one has talked about what's good for the working people of this country. the democratic party doesn't even pretend anymore job. i lied and said he wanted

the minimum wage to go up. he's not even bothering to lie about it, telling us that that is not going to happen. that is a, a, the do i believe that is what they want for this country. and for the world, you know, sir, you know, i grew up in america, you, you're obviously in america. so the so, so is margaret, me, we were all brought up, did a read him a speech was a right. is that, is that turning slowly but surely into just a privilege for the few sarah? well it's, it's not a privilege for anyone, and it's certainly no longer even taught. as of right. when you look at the complete censorship that's going on and every political figure today encourages it is for it and is for more censorship, more closing down and they are incomplete agreement. you watch the debate as, as margaret was saying, you watch the debate and they're saying nothing of substance that's different. you

look at in congress per to a vote. they'll get up and pass the military budget. they'll try to make some difference on this. so that presented is 2 and 3 different packages in all sales through. so it's a war budget it's, it's absolutely refreshing budget. it means repression here at home. and it means shutting down any discussion. so is, is the media have much hold anymore, less and less. so it really, uh, i do think that it, the belief and this is, this happens to believe in the us by the population here and, and even the feeling that there's any choice in an election 3rd parties or just canceled off the ballot overnight. they are, they feel they gather the signatures or done things by the book doesn't make any difference. so you have increasingly no choice between the 2 political parties. i

don't even pretend that it's really who present performs a little bit better before the camera or not. are they offering a different message? little bit different on, on the social agendas, but nothing on the political, on the international agendas or for them or not. they are selling right to their own demise is demetrius. same name, it we all remember george versus global war on terror in that we have a global war and information, maybe journalism. it, we, it's, it's the same program just to do a slightly different agenda, dimitri. yeah, i mean, it's gotten so absurd that they are actually was one. the truth spoken in paris trump debate is extraordinary, really important. everything i think is the most important thing that was suddenly in our debate. and it was said by donald trump, and it was completely ignored by the media. and that is in the context of a discussion about the ukraine war, trump reminded people that russia has

a nuclear arsenal. you did it repeatedly. yeah. and there was nothing, nothing a button come off and come all live nor did the moderators recorded the entire mainstream media ignored it, and we are on the cusp of nuclear war. while this is dimitri, i guess one other thing that way and then the other candidate, kamala harris said that no active military personnel or in more showings right now . i mean, i just and nobody knows that just passed like water off the back of a duck. okay. no, and no, because um, empire and war is not contested. its not contested. and it, and of course, every time something comes up its throwing around the rags involved. and that's why other britain should send its long range missiles into, into russia because it ran ascending missiles, which has not been verified at all. margaret, give us 30 seconds of wisdom before we go. uh uh, well i, i just don't anybody watching this is already watching independent media,

so i don't have to make that case. but we all have to be very careful. we're talking about war propaganda. another guess, pointed out, they want us to be ready to go to war. that's why they ignored what trump said about nuclear weapons. and i have never seen such a dangerous time we've had for the past 20 years. us presidents, unilaterally withdrawn from treaties with russia, and it's something that is never, ever, uh, well, we already agreed and we're living in very dangerous. i'm. this is all the time we have a want to thank my guest in cyprus, jersey city and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time remember prospect the the,

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