the mustangs go slugging. yeah. but uh, the breaking news. hey, on all the international thing desk tall and loving on rises as well. wireless devices explode and they offer at least 12 people, including 3 children, were killed and $2800.00 injured in a month page of wyoming strike the time when each company and its own gary and business on both been not producing the deadly pages. but devices were allegedly designated with mostly by israel t r o b as slid, there is an international trail in this image should be investigated accordingly. now the reaction of the west should be indicative. russia is foreign ministry

spokeswoman calls the page of bombing a terror attack that must be decried on, fully approved by as well. allies the very well welcome to you. this is all t international with the very latest wealth news update. as always, it's good to have you with us. we've got the out with breaking news. at least 3 people have reportedly being killed and over 100 injured and a new series of mobile device explosions across lab. and on of the lebanese red cross reports responding to multiple explosions in different areas around the country. some of the incidents took place at funerals for the victims of tuesdays must pay to bombing that killed at least $12.00, including 2 children and wounded. 2800 reports indicate the handheld radio as we use by hezbollah members. as footage reports of these shows the honest amounts of

explosions on the streets and inside the apartments onto correspondent. yes, and i can have no initial reports suggests that the nature of this attack was similar to the previous one on tuesday. but it does have some differences and starting similarities. we understand that some of the devices that were targeted in this round of attack for this wave does not just, it's not just limited to the pages or 2 way radios, but it includes devices such as radios, whether they're at home, whether it's a home system, whether they're in the vehicles radios have been reported to have exploded as well . we understand that laptops as well, including fingerprint scanners that have been embedded in, in the homes of civilian. so the general understanding here is that this attack is a wide spread attack. the nature of this is becoming that much more confusing because the initial idea of that many had was that it was a chain supply attack. some dispatcher there that it was a cyber attack. but what we're looking at right now does of course take into

consideration a number of different variables. but one more important thing is, of course the attack did take place at a time when the hospitals throughout the country have been overwhelmed from the initial wave of attacks on tuesday. so listening to a number of experts, they suggest that whatever the tactics here is that one of the fundamentals of supporting arguments here is that israel is targeting the civilian as well as lebanon's medical infrastructure. ensuring down to the medical services are overwhelmed. looking at some of the 2 way radio is on the video footage that was provided by those within that been on suggest that some of the devices were icon, branded devices to a videos. they are a japanese manufacturer that they do, of course, manufacture wireless communications devices. of course, this does bring into the question whether it was a supply chain attack, whether it was a cyber attack, or whether this is something completely different because looking at the scale of the devices that were targeted, it could also take into consideration that the, that there was a possibility of an empty attack could be electromagnetic pulse is essentially

overloading the circuits, as well as the technological and electrical devices which resulted in such a wide scale attack. of course, the details are emerge and we will be following this down. and for this with all guests now we joined by is waiting to list on the activist emily schrader chapman all the jerusalem development funds and most. and he's just saying it's not way as editor of these to i talk, adult calm news, platform it for him. colorado has many thanks to all 3 of you for joining us on the program this evening. my 1st question place to a face to simila, now 11 on the wrong have accused as well of carrying outs tuesdays devastating a page of the bombing time. what exactly is that position based on? you know, that is a camera, but those actual pollution except for the set to visit a i'm can even without is what i'm saying or recognizing i'm taking the responsibility, it's clear that is what i and is behind that. so the confirmation from this website,

they know it's it's, it's under the impression that is part of flux has been bunk. the, i mean on the, to john speaking between accessible on this right and on the show thing since there's no harm and does the between as well. um, and is it a so, you know, i'm, that has been some statements from some is the, as we said, this is the biggest preventive operation ever done by the volume is the, the hope of phasing through this and operation body so that it is a sources so i think there is nobody that is ongoing about whether it was that i needed for my visit. i did not sleep. so i think it's, it's a, it's part of the one of the and the extent you know that it's a lot of consequences. and this is something that is very easy, it is, it's

a very big scale and i think both has been on the wrong hands because one of the people who were severely injured is that, i mean, i don't. yeah. so i think not again we, we, you know, we're asked them expecting this and i can apply or response product. and so that's the national. i mean, yeah, that's been. yeah, let's take this over to emily in a tel aviv i'm really is the 2nd day of deadly mobile device explosions across 11 on as well as we know, it's still not made any statements about the situation. why do you think basses as well? i mean, i think that's kind of israel style with a lot of these operations. israel never claimed any formal responsibility in the past, even from major operations that we know weren't confirmed until sometimes decades later. i don't think that israel is the only possibility. however, there are, there is a possibility that it could be the united states or perhaps other actors or perhaps

a joint operation. we don't know all of the details yet. so i would hesitate to say yes for sure. it's israel or yes, for sure. if someone else we just don't know at this point, however, that being said, i do actually agree with them or that of course, this is an escalation. however, it's an escalation in response to over $8000.00 projectiles being fired over the searing and lebanese border bias has the law at the direction of the islamic republic at is really communities. and so to stay that israel is the one who started this or israel as the one who is initiating this into a wider regional war, is just completely inaccurate. and by the way, the fact that the islamic republics and bassett or to 11 on was injured, really prompts the question, why on earth did the ambassador of these law make? were public in lab and on have one of those pager that only went from the details we know so far to members of cause, blah. let's go to abraham tucker's president project, the one who's expressed solidarity with a lebanon,

well pledging to work against as well. well, sort of moves. do you think we can expect to see from encore, of the experts expressed sorrow because the attack was indian. these couldn't wait until the syrians, including including children as the all, i have it as a, so i love it to go to see the has to be know it from the cause of cause killed more than 40000 people in gaza and know it is targeting live in these see with us not only as well ma'am was but also to see really serious. so a, a call to their bodies in prison for to, to use condoms and condiments as to him regarding add ons and force to ration. i guess that i want me to use a diploma based other or so don't expect any response response from turkey as long as that is for forces on people. and i think it targeted this

of the has called losing congress is to form an advice against is a high, i think you will all cotton to united within companies as well as the countries to stop the size aggression. so i guess that that would be more people want to read, takes me to other countries in the upcoming days, and i don't expect any other most from other countries also. so well, i'm sorry to interrupt. i'm going to take this over to submit the took his present . it did also mentioned that western consent to the is ready to actions will lead to an even bigger dissolves to, i mean, how likely do you think it is that took it in other countries in the region could being thrown into this conflict? there's a new listing culture, please excuse me to some yeah,

i think that is the, i don't believe i'm of the loss of the international community and maybe the high percentage show that i the public, the kind of prime minister has the intention to throw the agent to the comprehensive this maybe if it is in his best interest, who wants to continue is coordination on the display is to continue long. you know, if this position would collapse, if the water stops at view and it sort of started, you need to create more reasons. know the other countries that should have now also to set them down this way is what it is. these products of buy one, the products and it's, it's not appropriate from visit i do if i want the program i was in working against as well. and this when it gets

a lot of the comic and uncertainty for planning. so i'm doing business with dialogue. everybody would start to be suspicious. this is actually false that i just want to note, i did, i actually clarified this with the time when he was representatives. it did not come from taiwan. it was gone through it went through a european distributor of that particular company. i think it's called golden apollo, so it didn't actually come from taiwan just to, to differentiate there, to go ahead. this is a product. is this the only product to i'm in, i'm in the product. it's a product of one company that has been used since this product has enter. the date of birth is market not exclusively to to has been a lot. and the newest from living um is the part of the shipment point of has been law and some other individuals or pull up brands or organizations also bought this . uh this, uh and the, um, i mean this, the color is okay let's,

let's take the, sorry to interrupt. let's take this over to emanate them because, you know, yeah, as somebody was just saying tuesday's page of on a wave was a sophisticated the taco minute. wilson exactly a targeted story because many civilians were injured and some died including children. i mean, if it was waves, well the u. s. o, a joints attack, as you mentioned earlier, how can such casualties possibly be justified? so i think the fact that there were thousands of hezbollah, terrorist, the vast majority of those who were injured or killed, were directly involved with a terrorist organization, passes any legal standard under international law of proportionality in terms of the combatants of civilian ratios. so legally speaking, there isn't really an issue here, in fact is real, been criticized for not being targeted enough. and so what did they do? they targeted the exact devices based on what we know so far, which could be incorrect,

but based on what we've heard. so far from officials that it was specific shipments of this device that were targeted with some matter of explosive material on the specific devices. again, we don't know for sure, but based on what the initial reports are, that's what it seems to be today, which would indicate that this is actually a very targeted stripe, not indiscriminate at all. the fact that there are civilian injuries or casualties in any military conflict there, unfortunately, a fact of life that's very, very sad, but to say that this was indiscriminate is just simply inaccurate. i mean, we're talking about one of the most precise attacks in modern warfare. you're talking about thousands of the actual active is the actual operatives, terrorist operators of federal law in lebanon, being targeted on their personal devices. these pages that they're using. i mean, this is really unprecedented. in fact, in a positive way, when it comes to dealing with modern warfare, many, some countries all cooling base and active terrorist and most who

a response to about considering deep instability and casualties and make, or the colossal damage as you say, as well. first of all, an act of terrorism has to be done by non state after israel is a state. so even to argue that on the issue of semantics is incorrect, we are in a state of war right now dealing with her as well. as i mentioned over 8000 rockets and suicide drone has been sent over the it's really border into is really communities murdering and one case murdering 12 era drew's children and much awesome. and so this is something that we've been dealing with for many, many months. it is not a war of israel started, it is not a war that israel ones, regardless of what you know, political conspiracy is may states about nathan, yahoo uh that is not the issue here. if hes below was not attacking israel is the who these were not attacking israel. if the is want to go public could be wrong with not attacking israel, we will not be seeing any of this conflict right now. and yet we are because those countries, a no terrorist organization are attacking israel,

not the other way around. israel is exercising its right to self defense in order to hopefully restore that sense of security and restore. the you know, over 60000 is really civilians who have been displaced by constant rocket fire. and attacks on that northern border coming to submit. and what do you think is the purpose of these attacks? could his signal response have a direct will between as well as lab and on and can as well really of 4 to 5 on 2 fronts. while the goal is the wall is still continuing. i was that's, i don't agree that it's one of the non stead and organizational articles, but the because i mean for me at audience i'm doing that, i'm interested. the host is out of state and the i'm doing kind of that has stepped on it and sometimes is that it is committing step of that. is there a need to have the list of names of those who are holding desktop adopters? did they check name by name that every one of them is involved into the guy that's

against? is it a head or maybe it didn't have time against design? i think they have, they have, they didn't, they didn't do this exercise as well as, you know, they're random. doug. yes, it has affected lots of beloved, but it has also been, i think lots of of the civilians taking time to consider the lives of us opinion organizations the of the they have nothing to do with the scores. the hospital clinics it on by, by husband bon sometimes they, they got the sometimes let's bring abraham and abraham. now the hon. gary and company whose website was apparently taken down on the day of the bombing attack, denies any involvement and producing the pages. that's all to be tie when he is broncho into pointed to hungry. so what could these devices have come from? good company. united by the way. i'm not sure what. yeah. for the moment. not sure,

but it's ok to kind of get this explosive and such stuff as well. they're looking to look into is ok talk is and the page is the hold on, let's say true. don't do want to be called, i'm ready to see it. so i need to just service just denying it. it doesn't make them innocent. but to the other 2 alternatives. for example, maybe they can political decide to do a change in solver in production to shoot what they said they might. they might have been put this in such substances. now, not sure. on the other hand, you know, today what could talk is produced by an idea of what his company,

what also exposure to. so i think is it is more than a tenant, just a fashion, and then i don't know whether i got income, but it won't jump on his company in my school and i'm ready to redo most up. but or we can be suspicious or is on all of the products and let's say good bye to somebody and i despise all the implications of it as well as involvement is western allies of sofa stop sold to blaming the country for these attacks. why do you think that holding back on pointing any fingers familiar? are you still with us? yes, come oh, can you say again, please? yes, yes, of course, despite all the implications of as well as possible. involvements in these attacks is western allies,

namely the us of so fond stop source of blaming the country for these attacks. why do you think that holding back or what i think is usa is now another chunk of them and the, becomes the 10 times more sensitive thoughts and they kind of, uh, this is good. so the focus of the kind of the american administration is on the adoption comes in, and they will not point on the condo for public defense presidents, a lot of danger. whatever happens on these days, the americans wanted to stay silent and they would like just to focus on the election, convince the issue of the is a heavy eh, punches in the middle is, is becoming more, you know, an election sometimes a lot in the issue. i mean, it's a very health issue on their administrative because it's very expensive to every monday and, and us, especially in the democratic, bought this for the from and then what is that, is it

a and especially the 5 minutes is about and that is managing, get to the whole situation and they know that he is driving everybody into into, or maybe we have an office that the, the is about 80 minutes. the defense has called on tuesday the mornings, twice, the and it's a considerable difference of us because the heat build up, the oppression is coming. the big dominic sounds. and all of this is i believe that i'm going to come one day, one that many goes to cover that back. so always, america is not the good. the size is not to try to force their way of thinking about it. i think them of that is the most and ment obligation in, in front of it is that in the eyes of the prime minister there's 2 different, is it whatever it is, i mean the defense of the america. so there's a that he is the baby is the supreme power is not binding by that is the weakest guy in this equation. the one of the problem is other because of the,

by the end it's, we, we have seen it's from the day one of the war against, okay, the number we continuously it up to now and back to emily, i'm the on october. the 7th is radians, halogens somehow failed to see if they had lost her attack coming. but now the implications, all the same intelligence power down such a highly complex series of wireless and bombings in lebanon. a lot of people will be scratching their heads about this blurring discrepancy. what are your thoughts? well, i mean, i think i would join them and that glaring discrepancy there is there is no shortage of criticism from the as early public at, towards the government. of course, and of course, even towards the military and intelligence establishment regarding october 7th, this is something that needs to be investigated thoroughly. um, that being said, of course, they are more awake paying more attention, acting preemptively,

if necessary, in order to protect as rarely civilians as much as humanly possible. uh so at the same time it is a little bit of a head scratcher. it's also somewhat logical. we are in a state of war, we weren't october 6th. so the reality today is a little bit different. of course, the government and the military is going to be operating differently throughout these months as we deal with threats on multiple prompts. and i just want to add one more thing. i know you mentioned that the president of turkey are the one it should have condolences to 11 on. and i think that interestingly, despite the fact is very, very hostile to israel, many israelis would share, and that sentiment towards the lebanese people. however, this is not actually something to mourn has the, has been essentially with the help of the as long as we're public colonizing webinar for many months, there are many lebanese whom i speak to on a regular basis. as a journalist who had told me how disappointed and frustrated they are with the involvement of hezbollah, how has we'll up for years, has driven 11 on into the of this off the cliff, economically,

militarily in every way possible. and it is, has blocked width, is one of our public, every ron that's dragging the entire regions into war not is route. and so it's important to understand that even with in lebanon, they're significant opposition. they see and know what has the, is doing. there is a conversation inside of lebanon happening on this issue that is against hezbollah . so if anything, there's a number of lebanese who are on the same side as israel, in response to these attacks, they don't want, has bla, destroying their country. and nor should they, i hope that one day were able to freely travel between color, even be rude, and that this won't be an issue. my final question to abraham, please abraham, do you believe this attack might change the world's perception of his well, especially when it comes to his western allies on, on suppliers or oh, i don't think i can just send it to them faster. i'll take the change the mind off

best. in contrast, because incorporation, the nations are quite deep. so the data being no change in that there might be some bullies to is i bought a telephone as far as really a spot to in general uh, missions, feel confident as they are. i guess many thanks to my guests this evening. i appreciate your time. we can speak and see what is writing to a list on that to assembly straight at chapman to jerusalem development. the funds for missing each now is the editor of the strategic adult comment, news platform. abraham correct, has many thanks to all 3 of you. i appreciate it. well, that's across it to georgia, samuel, the now senior research fellow with a global policy institute who is now outside to be hung gary and b, a. c, consulting k of the company office in budapest, the george, when he finds the join, it goes into getting stuck location for us. tell us more about the phone,

does it look like this? so it's a place that could have produced thousands of explosive pages. no, not in the slightest. um, as you can see, the from behind me, this is a very much a residential neighborhood. so that could be office space is here, but it's essentially a residential or a family's living here. there is no way a tool that anything could be manufactured here. and we know that the hon gary and the company's website was apparently taken down on the day of the bombing attack. uh, what do you make of that that? well, i mean its, it's obviously that uh, the big questions ios about of this company. now, one thing to keep in mind is that while the website was taken down, the link in page for the company's fill up. and if you look at the links in page it's, it's not a pto plan that this company does. anything for all is the,

is the familiar corporate doubled the go. absolutely meaningless. and gives you no indication that tool of what it is that this company does. so it looks like a rather of a phony uh, company set up in order to be upfront for some kind of transactions. but there's no, no sense. that's all that this is anything other than a front for something, a holding company or shell company, whatever. but it doesn't look, it's a little like a, it's a company that does any kind of a business. performs any kind of a service is all very mysterious at the moment. with the hon. gary inside denied any involvement in producing the pages and desktops of the taiwanese bronze. ona pointed to hungry. so you know what's on that with all this single point thing and where the devices have come from as well as that's obviously is something that's um

would have to investigate um, but then the question that arises is how was this ball up which, which ordered these devices, so how would they take it in by because they honors the whole thing. sounds like some kind of a, a, a must side engineered operation. wherever these pages were manufactured, they will then transist it through a number of intermediaries. and 5, and somewhere along the way that most of manage to insert these explosive devices. um, but it looks like a somehow a chain of, uh, intermediary companies that by which they got this up. but again, obviously they're going to be questions about how was his ball of security violated . so brazenly this, um was katie, a very sophisticated attack? i'm not exactly a targeted strong. so i mean,

if we all see how the board wolf here, what do you make of this toxic as well as the shocking? absolutely a bullying tactic. um, because this room a claim luckless and not claiming anything the maintaining the sign in, but the is rails. um enable as is rails defenders will claim to, oh, well they were targeting the leaders of his viola and his mom is a terrorist organization and what not. however, what israel did was itself a terrorist act, because there were thousands of innocents who were injured, the people who are, you know, been, and that's all this, that if you insert explosive devices into pages, then the people who kinds of people who are big, who are just innocent bystanders who are going to be injured and that's exactly what happened. and israel knew that this would happen. so it's clearly, it's

a respect. so just so here's a service price. it does just like, oh, well, we were targeting, this is and that's a military target. yeah. but how many innocent people were killed or injured as a result of the israel knew exactly how reckless it's actions. well, and, and, you know, it's, it's, it's just disgraceful that israel's defend the making jokes. and you can see all the jokes on uh, on twitter, about, you know, or, you know, who will the terrible injurious that the season is. bo reflectors have suffered was result. so it's one question to be impacted. so if you consider enough to tyra, other people have said the same. russia has pulled it in active terrorism as well. we've got things as being pointed as well from lab and on the, on the wrong. but no, was no official, was with me as well. just gonna tell you silence. what do you make of best silence as well? and obviously it's a matter of a israel tacitly accepting culpability

a victim. because as you say, iran, those points of the israel, russia has pointed to israel, lebanon has point to that is, or just, but every state and the, at least took it as points of that israel. and he's what has said nothing. so if you say nothing, then you are more or less a passively acknowledging that you are indeed responsible. what would assume that's of interest, or if it wasn't the i did, then israel will be screaming at the top of its loans. the owner was how much it was as follow. it was iran, you know, you know, the use lifts in the subspace. so by the size of this thing, nothing that's implicitly an acceptance of guilt. george, thank you so much for making so as don't saw me when he's seen a research fellow with a global policy institute, speaking to us from outside the home gary and be a say can be i see consulting test a company office in boot of past which is being accused of making b, exploding pages. thank you george.