economic models, the stock exchanges, therefore striking at the united states dollar, which is a very big problem for them. and when something does not work out for them that they play out of warranty. so this is happening in the middle east in georgia. and they are trying to do the same and armenian, this is all the work of one hand. and in my opinion, it is obvious and understandable to anyone. it's not that they want to use georgia to help ukraine. they just want to play out some kind of war on his territory. now, georgia has an opportunity to embark on a new pass, so new opportunities are also emerging that we should take seriously and approach correctly. all right, well that's look at the news for now. as always, be sure to visit our website, our t. com for the very latest breaking news and updates by the

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cross hawking free speech, i'm joined by my guest, margaret kimberly in new york. she is an executive editor of the block agenda report in jersey city. we have sandra flounder. she is a co director of the international action center. and in cyprus we crossed the dimitri. let's scott us. he is a lawyer and freelance journalist, all right, across black roles of the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate margaret, let me go to you 1st in new york, i'm titling this program losing the argument because this is essentially what this is really all about. it's not about nefarious agendas or um for an interference activity. no, it's just the, the, the, the western world, particularly in the united states is, is lost the rest of the world and it's messaging, and we'll get to it. and we can mention ukraine later. but this is what this is all

about. and so what they do is instead of countering with a better argument, they were they resort to sanctions. i'm sorry, it's as simple as that margaret as well. absolutely, that is especially defined in ministration. relies on sanctions relies on censorship. they have lost the argument on not to jump ahead on ukraine, but on many other issues. they've lost the argument on gaza and all they have left, frankly, is refreshing. and one of the ways to do that is to restrict information. they work hand in hand with the corporate media, the new york times. it's like a state department. press release, but r t or africa stream or any of these other outlets are smeared are sanction i thought r t was already sanctioned. i don't know what more they can do to r t a as if, and that's the other thing is if people watching r t at gunpoint, that doesn't seem to matter that there are people who want this information. who

want independent media, who don't want to be restricted to the media that works with the administration networks with the state in? no, sir, that it's one of the things i find. so preposterous is just as margaret is pointed out, i mean people that are watching r t watching this program in the west. you have to make effort, you have to get a vpn, you have to be, you have to spend money. and you know, in hard time spending money on a vpn may be a luxury for some people, but they still do it. i mean, no one is forcing anyone to watch this program, but the more they bill applies to more people will actually watch this program. sarah, well i think that's true because people are actively in the millions. speaking alternative information, they don't trust anything coming out of the media despite not a media that's non stop press release is the overwhelming majority of the

population and every poll is against continue us. nato war is in sympathy with gaza, even if they don't understand anything going on. there is a shut down on every level, all forms of information. and so people, of course, humans are curious. they do go looking for alternative media. but the shut down of social media is just the systematic. it's what you can no longer get in terms of millions of use or in the streets for, for guys of all kinds of spots on instagram, on youtube, one x, or just shut down on a moment's notice. the folks who had tens and tens of thousands of followers who they no longer exist. and that's what's happening. also on every level, it's happening to r t. but it is happening to all forms of alternative media in the us today and happens that the very historic record, every

r t program over years just was taken off for you to all go on. yeah. as a historic record, you have it but, but sarah couldn't get, can you think of one historical example where a power and authority does this and they're on the right side of history. i can't think of one example where they're afraid when you were afraid, you co worse. okay, let me go to dimitry here. you go ahead and go ahead sir. i'm sorry, go ahead. i'm just saying it never succeeds. censorship is really a last resort and it's a failing resort. and it's absolutely dimitry. one of the curious things that i pointed this out on, on, on, on twitter and i got a lot of likes, but i got pushed back to which is fine. and i'm for, for free speech. but dmitri, of most of the people, particularly on this program here, people from the west willingly appear on this program to give their views. and

their views, in many cases is not of the, of the, of the powers that be. and this is what they, they want to punish people. they want to scare people off a chilling effect of making sure that no one will appear on our tea, including this program. well, it's not working apparently, dimitri, i can give you a classic example of this. peter, in canada, where i spend much of my time and then from there has been a narrative from the government that the claim that the west orchestrated the crew in 2014 and ukraine is crushing propaganda. that's what they've been saying. i came to that conclusion back in 2014 and it wasn't on the basis of anything. i assure you anything that the russian government said there were basically 3 main pieces of information. number one, the, the conversation between victoria newton and jeffrey piatt, the ukranian us investor to ukraine in which he chose the next leader of ukraine. number 2, john mccain and victoria newland standing beside you printing alternation. listen

to the streets of tea of the same piece of port. number 3, there was a peer review, studied by ukranian professor in canada, which showed that a majority of the uh, the people who had been killed. the cio were killed by supported opponents of the government, not by supporters of the you know, the government. and so i made a decision based upon that evidence and other other then nothing having to do with the russian government about was that was a us and western order screwed into. and now i'm accused of being a russian show because my, my opinion, which was formed independently of the russian government coincides with side of the russian government. that's ludicrous. yeah. i mean, you know, also, you know, margaret, we had marks uncle burge a guess. it's 2 weeks ago now, so suddenly came out with a, a public letter that he regretted his organization regretted being and, and i was my 1st word is and terminated, be instructed by the government not to report on the hunter biden laptop. and then

you know, years later, so we kind of made a mistake. are we going to see this again? because these are, the words here that met is meta is using, they are censoring and banning r t out with a news outlets. a based on the claim of foreign, the interference activity. well, that was the same thing that they said back in 20 in 22 in the year to 2020 of the election. i mean, this is the, this is repeating itself margaret. of course it isn't. we're, we're seeing um we're seeing censorship on facebook speaking of which some of our articles we try to post our black agenda report articles and they are immediately taken down. we see that it's community standards and we're posting spam. it's just an article and they take them down right away. so the hunter biden story, you know, it's a, by himself made his son

a campaign issue by pressuring social media, corporate media. not to report this story. and to claim that anyone who said anything about it was following a russian government line. so i, i didn't need the sucker bird to emitted chip i. what i'd like them to do is admit why they are, they are actively removing independent media post from facebook. they and it's really ratcheted up in this election campaign season, and i'm sure that's well, that's part of the reason they have their someone, the scale they know who they want to win. and they believe that the only way to do that is to restrict access to information. anyone who's critical of their narrative . and also sarah, i mean we're, this is the latest iteration of russia gay to me. we had the original one. trump was a, a sarah, good for the russians, never proven. the muller reports all the money, the years, the media,

the attention was complete. bars a 100 biden's laptop. and here we go again. i mean it's, it's a, you know, i would have thought it was a one trick pony, but apparently not, sir. well, the problem when you try to use the same story again and again and again, this loses all of its residents. i don't see any. it didn't have a certain poll a certain impact, a few years back, but now it really only elicits so you on. and i don't think it changes mines at all . and they jumped from one country to another. russia's interfering and us elections. china is interfering, and us selections around is interfering and if you excellent, sir, but sir, is israel interfering in american elections? they'll tell you, of course not. and yet of course, it is with ends and tens of millions of dollars, a big lobbying of organizations as we all know. so this is what goes on all the

time. and yet it loses its ability over a real period of time to impact people's. i think uh, consciousness or anger when you're told again and again that it's bots that are running around creating false narratives. i just don't feel that level of concern coming from people today or anger except there is a deep feeling that the media, the corporate media and the us lies. yeah. or that felt wash away that won't watch like dimitry. do you feel like the government is protecting you from bad information? i mean, i asked that in my um guess, and i asked that of my audience, you feel protected by your government when it comes to the information. you know, there's no one i trust more than myself to judge what is true and false. and i say that because i've practiced law for over 30 years, i've lived in multiple countries. i've discerned, and by the way,

the legal system in which i practice is based on something called the adversarial principle. right? is that the discover? the truth is through a clash of ideas and a neutral arbiter for deciding who's right and who's wrong and the court of law. we have the band and the principal outside the traditional system and we're starting to event. and that within the legal system as well, we come to the conclusion that the government, our governments in the west, which repeats have been shown to the pathological liars. for example, planning that is real is defending itself. when in fact, it slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians, we are being told that these people are better arbiters than we are selves. even though the principle of our electoral democratic system is that each and every citizen has the ability to discern right from wrong and truth from false are all right, we don't have to jump in here. we have, we have to go to hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on free speech, stay with the

the car acceptance. and i'm going to plan with you whatever you do. do not watched my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do you have the state department c i a weapons, bankers,

multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you comfortable. my show is called stretching time. but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way. instead the welcome back. the prospect where all things are considered. i'm curious about your mind you were discussing free speech, the rights go back to margaret in new york. ukraine is already been mentioned here, and i think it's fairly, very important to. to mentioned that again, we had a state department officials. i think his name is reuben right next to anthony

blinking, who i refer to is the undertaker on this program. he said rubin r t is one of the reasons the world has a, has been not fully supportive of ukraine. well, that's actually quite transparent and i appreciate the observation because it's absolutely right. ok, the world isn't buying into their narrative. why should the global cell get involved in a conflict generated by the west? ok. and so this is what the, this is what really upsets them. ok, is it, the former colonial people won't get in line. they won't, they can't get through their fix goals with their best interests are, i mean, this is a real interesting turning point. and the global south on a number of issues guys has already been mentioned here, or they're beginning to get their voice is clear and heard, and they're not going to be lectured anymore by the likes of blinking. go ahead, margaret, as well. uh, absolutely. and you know, by unless we forget,

by them said they would turn the ruby to rubble, they were going to destroy rushes economy. and how did they do that by raising oil prices all over the world in hurting global south nations? they're not stupid. and now we see china and having a summit of african leaders, we have the bricks meeting coming up. and they are terrified that the uh, the global south nations will change their alliance. we have a multi polar world, it is a reality. and that means that nations are free to have whatever alliances they want to talk to whom they want to be friendly with who ever they want. but that's what they be. are they ruled by fear, with sanctions, by punishing any country that stepped out of line. so to speak, that's steps away from their narrative. and uh, and that's what they're afraid of what is already happened and they cannot stop it

. that's the other thing. these are people. i think they can stop something that is unstoppable. we're seeing realignments around the world, and that is a good thing is good for everyone. it's good for people in this country. it's good for people all over the world. but we have a most democratic state in this country which wants to have complete, had gemini over the rest of the world, and had germany is bad for people in the west. at the end of the day, we should point out ok, it only serves a very small lead, you know, center the what, what it would be laughable if it weren't so serious is that if you look back, okay, we've already mentioned the, the 2016 election, we had russia gay, we had the 100 by the laptop. i personally, i would throw in cobit, but we can put that as a sidebar if you want. but you know, a lot of these things that are called can seriously theories that come from the

leads themselves that come from main stream media comes from governments. you know, the rest of us are trying to figure out what's going on. if we question it, then we're automatically a conspiracy theorist. so you see my point, go ahead sir. well, this is an age old trick or you know, there's, there should just be one official religion. there should just be one official narrative and it never succeeds. it's not succeeding today and what the really, what the us corporate power doesn't want the people in the us to, to know, to really understand is that this is an empire going down, collapsing on every front. economically they can't impose their will any more. there are real alternatives that the people, the world and the certainly the global south are looking at. no matter how much they lecture. they can't force countries in line. and they're also beyond

frustrated that there are sanctions on russia that they ordered the whole world to fall were completely ignored. so that is a big problem for them. and they're going to blame, of course, are going to blame or to you. they're going to blame everybody under the sun for the failure of their own economic power. it's lost its position in the world, and it's not coming back. it's really, they don't have the productive capacity anymore. so they're trying to impose, it's strictly to military and censorship measures and saying any discussion of this very different world is off the table is off limits is unpatriotic. is means you're an agent of a foreign power. really. i mean it's beyond ridiculous. the very charges that they're making and yet, but they, they, because they can't explain, they refuse to explain what's really happening. yeah,

i tried to be 3 because they just don't have a good answer for what is happening. their narratives are not believed. they're actually easy to, to tear apart and deflate. i mean, it's all, it's almost a look at the new york times and you look at and say, what are they trying to pull, or what do they try to pull on me now? i mean, that's how i look at it because it's, it's, most of it is so absurd on its face and etc is pointing out. you know, there the, we see a him is a ration of western populations because of all of this. and they're starting to react and they're not going to believe the stories that are coming from their leaks, not me more anymore. go ahead, dimitri. yeah, you're seeing the confidence in the mainstream media and the political class and united states and other western states and all the time lows and the greatest conspiracy theory i think of the last 5 or 6 years was the notion that the provide laptop was a russian dis, information campaign. this was sorted by dozens of so called intelligence professionals at the time when the f b,

i knew that the 100 button laptop was really the one thing i want to add to was i don't think this is just about suppressing the troops. i think this is also about antagonizing western public's western electorates towards your political arrivals of the west, so that they will support 2 things. they'll support much larger military and intelligence budgets. and secondly, they will support much more belligerent policies towards china and russia. for example, allowing your brain to use long, long range weapons like russia. that's, there's really 3 purposes. certainly suppressing the truth is a big part of is, but there's more going on here than just that. i agree with you. absolutely. and because margaret look at the 2 candidates that are running for the white house, what is the difference at the end of the day? okay, they can argue about patients eating cats and dogs and springfield pine, but you know, what about war and peace? they're on the same page. of course they are. that's why dick cheney has endorsed commer harris. dick cheney liberals used to he has endorsed her why she brags about

how many republicans are supporting her campaigns. so what is the difference if uh, i mean it's, it's very obvious, they're not even trying to, uh, to, to hide the fact that the, the, due off a week's work together on the issues that are of importance to them. so they can talk about abortion or some other issues, important issues where they differ, but they're both neo liberal parties. they're both imperialist parties. they both believed in aust arity. neither one has talked about what's good for the working people of this country. the democratic party doesn't even pretend anymore job. i lied and said he wanted the minimum wage to go up. he's not even bothering to lie about it, telling us that that is not going to happen. that is, of the a, the do i believe that is what they want for this country. and for the world, you know, sir, you know, i grew up in america. you,

you're obviously in america so. so, so is margaret mean, we were all brought up the read i'm a speech was a right. is that, is that turning slowly but surely into just a privilege for the few sarah as well it's, it's not a privilege for anyone and it's certainly no longer even taught. as of right. when you look at the complete censorship that's going on and every political figure today encourages it is for it and is for more censorship, more closing down. and they are incomplete agreement that you want you to debate. as, as margaret was saying, you watch a debate and they're saying nothing of substance that's different. you look at in congress per to vote, they'll get up and pass the military budget. they'll try to make some difference on this or that presented is 2 and 3 different packages in all sales through. so it's

a war budget it's, it's absolutely a regression budget. it means repression here at home. and it means shutting down any discussion. so is, is a media have much hold anymore, less and less. so it really, uh, i do think that is the belief. and this is, this happens to believe in the us by the population here. and, and even the feeling that there's any choice in an election, 3rd parties are just canceled off the balance overnight they are, they feel they gather the signatures or done things by the book doesn't make any difference. so you have increasingly no choice between the 2 political parties. i don't even pretend that it's really who present performs a little bit better before the camera or not. are they offering a different message? little bit different on, on the social agendas, but nothing on the political,

on the international agendas of war and on that they are selling right to their own demise. you know, demetrius same name it we all remember george versus global war on terror. and now we have a global war on information, maybe journalism it, we, it's, it's the same program just to give a slightly different agenda. dimitry. yeah, i mean, it's gotten so absurd that directly was one. the truth spoken in here is trump debate is extraordinary, really important. everything i think is the most important thing that was sent me into our debate. and it was said by donald trump and it was completely ignored by the media. and that is in the context of a discussion about the ukraine war, trump reminded people that russia has a nuclear arsenal. you did it repeatedly. yeah. and there was nothing, nothing a button come up and a come all live nor did the moderators distorted the entire mainstream media ignored it. and we are on the cusp of nuclear work. well, the main street, i guess one other thing that way and then the other candidate,

kamala harris said that no active military personnel or in warren jones right now. i mean, i just and nobody that just passed like water off the back of a duck. okay. no, and no, because uh, empire and war is not contested. its not contested. and of course, and of course, every time something comes up, it's throwing around rags involved. and that's why other britain should send its long range missiles into, into russia because it ran ascending missiles, which has not been verified at all. margaret, give us 30 seconds of wisdom before we go. uh, uh, well i, i just don't. anybody watching is already watching independent media, so i don't have to make that case. but we all have to be very careful. we're talking about war propaganda. another guess, pointed out they want us to be ready to go to war. that's why they ignored what trump said about nuclear weapons. and i've never seen such

a dangerous time we've had for the past 20 years. us presidents, unilaterally withdrawn from treaties with russia. and it's something that is never, ever, well, we all going to agree that we're living and very dangerous. i'm. this is all the time we have a want to thank my guest in cyprus, jersey city and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember prospect the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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