sign of the colonization was the uprising of black slaves and 80, that remote island produced almost half of all the sugar on the planet. sooner was made by d as in franchise slaves broad from africa. in $1791.00, they started an uprising against their oppressors. the black swept away the colonial administration and formed their own army. it was led by that charismatic leader, francois dominique, tucson, levered to reign. sedans, to regain control of the colony were unsuccessful. having comes up, our napoleon dispatched a large expeditionary force to haiti. the french manage the caps or to saul level 2 or by defeats, but they could not suppress the rebels and suffered devastating defeats. on january 1, 18 o 418 declared independence. the 1st one and the whole latin america. however,

freedom was paid for with the blood of 200000 courageous haitians who had sacrificed their lives for the abolition of slavery on our planet. the events in haiti were the only successful uprising of slaves in history when they not only through of slavery, but also began to rule their state. the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle from escalation to escalation. israel's pagers attack on his blog and other lovely needs citizens may be a prelude to a greater conflict in the regions with israel failing and gaza and its economy

distress does nothing yahoo plan to force it american intervention. the cross fucking escalation. i'm joined by my guess, joshua landis in oklahoma city. he is director of the middle east studies program at the university of oklahoma. in berlin. we have coverage on my son. he is found rest of a re analysis and in b route we crossed through godaddy. francis. she is a journalist and more correspondent quite across by girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. joshua, thank you very much. for joining us, i know it's very early for you in reflecting them on with the over the last couple of days, the side tech terrorism, what we can call it that in the lab. and obviously at the, at the hands of the is re lease here. what is the message that is being sent because i like everyone else on this program in our viewers, i scour every,

it's kind of opinion and the opinions are very diverse and trying to interpret what's going on here. what's your take? go ahead. well, it is a major blow to his butler. there is no doubt about it and to um, the resistance access in general. um, how much is known for being a well run and a regular oil machine that was able to force israel to leave levon on and 2000 after a long resistance. it's seen as being very good at what it does and also in 2006, it was able to send rockets into israel right through the entire engagement. but this makes his bow look very weak and it's going to hurt his reputation as a resistance organization. you know, um, the technological difference between israel and his by law, it is, you know, it made me think of white settlers in the united states giving blankets with

smallpox on it to the native americans. and it was just that the gap between these 2 fighting forces is tremendous. and this reminds us of the technological superiority, the f, 30 fives, and so forth, that israel has a and is able to use throughout the arab world in the as lovick world. and this, this may excuse the balance of power in the favor of israel tremendously, despite the numbers and the, the best efforts of its neighbors. well, let me go to you in berlin. i mean, is this a tactic, or is this a strategy or is it somehow both go ahead? it depends. it depends what is really intended on doing if this was a strategic and that means is right is wanted to compromise. the internal

communication system of hezbollah was, is very successful in doing so. it's very early to judge if they were successful in completing compromising the internal communication system, especially between the headquarters and the senior officers and the junior officers on the ground. the indication since the attack this pedro attack on live on, on his, that his bullet has not been detroit. and to me, so i was under okay, it's under operation as a drawing a tax. i was still ongoing. now, i agree with the dr. joshua, that is right, has the technology go and especially already over his will. however, the toner, in spite of the grassroots of the community off his will, lot is way higher than the is riley community. and in this case, the casualty rate as well. and all the time he is in a harsh way, which i still suspect that they will do it. if they have you tally it's however, and this is going to cause a major blow also for the extraneous society because these various societies also tired of this conflict and they cannot really continue emptying the settlements in northern palestine and moving goal the population to the south and east coast,

well now the largest, the scope of the bomb being then is right. and would it be for us to evacuate more separates from northern palestine to other places. and this would increase the pressure on east valley itself. so we have to also see what is going to be the speed dropping us for a lot, which is important to see that what he's going to say, and what are they intending on doing in against is right. got it. let me go to you and be rude. i mean, as horrific as this. it's a, as an act of terrorism. obviously civilians were about, um, it wasn't targeted whatsoever. a child has been killed a people in the medical profession. all of this it's, it's, it's an active pair but doesn't really change the equation here because this is a about just pointed out, i mean, in the, in northern israel there's still people that are displaced there in the south. i mean, nothing is really changed. i mean, if anything, it's more of a psychological blow at this point, go ahead. the 1st of all,

let's me. thank you peter for know, think that it's a cetera talk. i was wondering if something similar happened to wife testers. that's a doctor non this referred to as something similar if any technological civilian used device was turned into a bomb with bi sanders and doctors, children, all sorts of civilians being hit with eco. so there is a technology because of video to the old would he say it's the better is the talk. it's only, it's too far into this genocide and fall assign that's we are not really sitting back heat on trying to be politically correct. it is a separatist attacks on civilians and we have to clarify here just for the context feature and for everyone who will see this. not everyone who's affiliated with his bullet, is it combatants? they were empties. they were doctors, there were scouts, there was a, there was the basset or even children. exactly. so not everyone. is it come back?

and this is why i developed a home that it says that this says anything superior to in terms of warfare, because the people who are fighting israel and the cell were not to hurt the combatants were not hurt or hurt where people affiliated with has blah and people stand thing next to them in the lebanese community, and we have to take into consideration that the lebanese community and the lebanese voters, then both for hezbollah members of pharma, and to the present them. and the lebanese community showed its, remember, this active solidarity threw out the days of these a tops and also before the end reported, as well as more than tens of thousands of combatants. if so, if that's, it really affected southern thousands. it does not see any that there has been a lot or there massage or the capacity. and one more thing, we have to say a given the point that to give work from there than just stated the tremendous ask

the resilience and the, the tolerance in our communities. we have to know that this is the 77 years of this drug. good. the indigenous people versus because the noises we never had similar technology, they always use their plays to, to bump our 10. they always used to have to pay the audit the insect and illogical will work good. and in minutes of the work, the owners and we, we have to, we have to point out to the hosting. here's the basically defeated the u. s. navy, so i get your point here. so i'll show you, we had the is rarely defense minister kalonde to this is a quote here. the center of gravity is shifting to the north through diversion of forces and resources. this was the day before the pagers attack put these 2 together as well. it's quite clear that the nets and yahoo government has been trying to escalate this conflict. it to include lab and on and to and to include iran most, most importantly for nothing. yahoo!

and he has america at a point of great weakness because of the election campaign. both candidates are competing with each other to be more pro israel with the next. and this means that netanyahu is able, it may calculate that he's able to escalate and get the united states to help him destroy, not only his beloved, but perhaps to attack iran. now, the united states does not want to get drawn into this kind of a conflict, particularly in the middle of a campaign which will, which will divert attention away from the issues that the democratic party is trying to focus on to issues of whether it's 21 sided in the war and israel and whether this in fact helps america's foreign policy for its it. whether america standing up for universal values in human rights. and so the civilians, it is going to distort it's going to hurt america badly, but nothing, you know,

feels and he has the advantage. of course we know that this is good for his own government, which is trying to push through a conquest of the west bank and to destroy palestinian claims to an independent state. and that's, that's his ambition. it's his lights work. yep. and it is a legacy that he has at the age of 70. i don't know exactly how old is, but getting to the end of his political tenure wants to complete a, a life's work of trying to conquer the room. yeah, well he came, he might then they'll also end up being the last leader of a, a zionist regime as well. cuz i mean, i keep hearing this, the us doesn't want to go to war. but it's nothing y'all to what's the us dakota war? it will go to war. i mean, oh yeah, it is it, this is very frustrating. hearing this, go ahead and pull it. i mean, if i was the national security advisor for the president of the united states,

which doesn't exist at the current moment, i would advise a strongly against going into a war in west asia or in the middle east. a priority of the united states has to be it from the american point of view to people, to, to the east, to try to counter the rise of china and also to try to draw rift between russia and europe. however, we natania whole as a professor also to show along this mention has enormous influence nowadays over different policy approach off the u. s. and if not, then you, our triggers are regional toward these are the big gains, hezbollah, syria, the unstoppable lined against you. then the united states has no choice but to intervene and they will intervene. nobody has to have it the illusion that is read triggers the word that the americans would say no. this time we're not going to come and in support of the americans, not the americans will supply the east virus, whatever they need in order to fight these fights. and therefore, i don't see nowadays a difference between different policy,

a porch in washington and before that policy off television. because it's the point police of this has been hijacked by nathaniel. and as you mentioned, nathaniel also wants the legacy here. he wants to empties legacy with some sort of complete new, the ation of the policy and in the state to it. and the postilion demand for the state. and therefore, based, also pushes the palestinians. and also there are ups all around the army court into not accepting ease resolution to me, so you have to, oh, and the reps and that what they say, and i'm speaking about the garage. what about the people that we don't accept the legitimacy of the political entity off is right, and we want one state solution that the palestinian c r eps the jews. and christians can live alongside each other. and i don't see that this is say, you're absolutely right, but we came to us, we're going to go to break here. be oh, well, nothing you know may have his wishes and hopes, but there's a lot of people in the region that can veto that. i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion about escalation and 11 on stay with our to

the what i want sure seemed wrong. just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves worlds of parts, we choose to look for common ground the there are some other things, but i don't see the photos get available if you like to utilize all this you in come to my shopping, you my store, the item that i see is based on my uh, video of the senior. so the machine actually 1st wisdom official

thing is that it will say a little difficulty, right? let's look at the right people. channels are we supposed to finish off, so not a very easy to wish them. we have the same, but i think a funny, old buddies, most of them are less yourself. good one. i suppose when we say it's patricia assumptions like addiction to emotion and they're going to show a bunch of elsa la bustos, go sluggard and yet, but the welcome back across stock were all things are considered computer la about to remind you we're discussing the escalation in live in the okay, when it go back to our guessing buick gabby, it's really quite remarkable. if we look at the entire history of the state of israel, it's foreign policy and it's always to divide its neighbors. and it's been remarkably

successful in doing that. but it things are changing right now. when i 1st spoke to you on this program we, we, we were talking about this terrorist event against a largely civilian population. i'm sure some it may be members of has the law were injured or even killed, but this was, this is not directed and one person. and the reason why i bring that up is that when you know, when the whole world sees this kind of activity, if you don't know if you're a page or is going to work, you have to be afraid of your phone. you don't know if you can turn on a radio. mean that unites, you know, she is sunni, secular as ac is, i mean, in your unit, this is something that brings everybody together, that just absolutely gut wrenching wrong. okay. and, and, and again, you know, when, when we look at talking about has blog. i appreciate your points about, you know, okay, this was a huge blow and it's in the, it will have to be rectified, but it doesn't change the balance of forces. if it complex happens,

it's going to be a mass casualty event for everybody and, and it won't just be for $1111.00 on those punishment, but these really don't go ahead and pay with well, 1st of all, in introducing we don't go so there. israel enabled rico, so there is a called an occupation and illegal settlement in the middle east. and my grandmother is even older than that states. and when we speak about the tremendous victories in, in crossing the west, that this is also not recent. and the nomenclature could be different, we are talking about the victory and then war crimes and genocide thing. and, and i may think a tolten indigenous native population of all set of all religions. and they are the palestinian people. so what the israel does around its existence has always been crimes and war crimes. the only difference and margin now is that it is being cell advise. it's only occurs to me, a sweet that's all you that yesterday on x,

someone rose from the united states of america, we could get to a point where is where it is, what puts out a simians in gas chambers and that advice up and live cover that and we would find the usa department, finding excuses, and waiting for an investigation. this is that a blog and realistic and what's happening today. we are still talking about what, nothing else purposes are. and given the fact that this is a war crime against all humanity, everybody using technology, this is the thing that has been happening for the past year. just october 7th. and i just want to say something that's a, a city after 11 months, 12 months, into a stocky, ongoing, a fax, in the sense that using all kinds tons of munitions and impunity didn't. they fill that moment. nathaniel, who was not able to decide how much he was able to densely populated, the places were bombed and can think of people what happened. but really does he get to actually,

how much is it says 5 to does he stop the hon units and all these areas inside of that stuff from fighting drop it into is really settlements and into is really be says, no. so when we're talking about his beloved, given all the facts, the mist dr. nanda staples, in the beginning of this episode from 2006, and also you have to add the, this is a group, this is an arm group in the middle east that has never been defeated in any kind of ground invasion that as low as city cords of the people it has will. so i don't think nothing yellow can do anything in the ground invasion. and i think this was already this, a thought happened just to give a got a sense of achievement and accomplishment to the is really minions that don't want him in position anymore because we couldn't see any hostages. on the contrary, he killed you, end up getting many of them and he does infinity the 3rd him, us and he didn't really do anything of his so called. so this is asked for the west

bank. we are still seeing also resistance inside all kinds of coverages. distance inside the sign, there's also the known what kinds of operations. i think it would be pretty under uh, estimating the boxes. if we really say that's nathaniel who can actually end up accomplishing anything. he's bullied, the americans. yep. because he is an american calling. he's pulling the americas using the a pac money to continue supporting him. well, probably the next. that's if you're absolutely right, he could, he can control blackmail, pay off all he wants would. so if we can go back to oklahoma city, joshua isn't going to work. i mean, you know, we can play this game of bluffing and, and, and chicken and all that. but, i mean, if israel wants to have a conflict with, has belie, it will pay a very heavy price. i mean, they, you know, they, they, they have those missiles for a reason. you can have an american aircraft carrier there, and all that stuff succeeds and all that,

but they're not going to be able to catch all of those missiles. this is what makes it so very dangerous. well, you're right peter. and the real question, it seems to me is whether there is any possibility for palestinian self determination in the long run. and is there a possibility that the, that the european and an american community as well? um, well, ever pressure israel to withdraw from the west bank. now we just heard the crown prince sell mine, my m, as you know, a m b s. say that he would never recognize israel unless there is a palestinian state. and this has become the rhetoric of the gulf nations today, which many people see as, as a boost to the palestinians. on the other hand, the trade figures belie this, the trade between the gulf states and israel has increased fairly dramatically over the last few years and syria, iraq 11 on livia,

our own shambles, their economies are in shambles. and this, this in israel is going right. it is crushing the palestinians and that's what's happening and gaza. now, you know, this brings us back to this narrative of that has been common in the middle east, which is of the crusades that the crusaders lasted for 200 years. but eventually there was a lot of dean, the arabs got unified and they pushed them out. and that's, this is been the rhetoric and the hope of many airbags in the middle east. don't you think joshua is the price of the day? that's exactly where i wanted to go. let me go to buffalo thing in berlin. this is what makes this interesting in a way, an extremely dangerous because there are 2 major met and narratives right here with the vote for the israelis and the design is project. this is their opportunity to

solve all problems all with the same time. of course the united states are supposed to do it for them. but just as josh was saying as well, is that now you having a region that has been so sliced and diced by western imperialism, but now they are co with less co, a less things. we have 2 major meta approaches to this conflict. go ahead up to 3 decades ago, if you told me that the, the people of the region and especially the anti american comp, is it can seriously challenge american dominance in the region. i would have told you this is a joke and we're speaking about the special political so after the invasion of iraq, but not with this, the situation has changed and the countries in the gulf. yeah. those. so we're talking about 2 state solution. i think they're trying to say these, right and from it's the problems nowadays because many people also in the region that they started to say that because before, before that we always discussed whether it was or it has the right to exist. now

people say it does is ready to have their rights that has the legitimacy or deserve to exist as to what it has done to the palestinians and history. it shows us that no nation has committed a general site of these gratitude and ethnic cleansing in the past and the on the long good on sustained and continued. so each man has 2 choices to either dismantle each radical sinus ideology. and this eventually will lead to one state solution and everybody co existing or net anyhow, government has to be humbled. so immediately conflict. and i don't see that the 1st option is possible under the current circumstances. therefore, we are headed to an escalation and we have to measure something important. delivery as government for administer, for example, was playing the mediator role between the western powers and hezbollah, trying to de escalate the situation. and before the minister said no after decent time and live on that they cannot urge because we are allowed to de escalate enough to retaliate and respond against the this terrorist attack against the bad news.

people therefore even telling me patients being which were set because of the social pressure pressure that from the menus government or gun. now. so if here's one that goes into a retaliatory actions, they will enjoy popular support from the menus and also from the officials in the early bindings, governments. some think that these strategies have done because of this very impact . i would say charges attack against the bias people. you know, it's interesting that i've heard over the last few months, uh, israel needs to be humble that needs to learn a less than a god. if i can go to you and be rude. i don't under the design, is this zionism doesn't function that way it's winter. take all, there is no compromise in israel in this is it where it is right now is its own worst enemy because it's playing for broke. but everybody else in the region is to go ahead and send somebody here, think swipes to put in a. c is still going,

and we cannot really defeat the colonizers because we are invested in both ends and this. and so somebody doesn't care that they're not being can. they're not the wife and colonizers. let me say that's and is really a jewish right the and wrote a book from oxford university. i have it in my library ivy. this every day, i like to read this edit site, the. it's called israel in this rep from within me. and this person is a jewish person who went and the space is 2014 for a couple of years and used to he used to be called them to cindy economists. and he don't know exactly why he thinks israel is gonna end itself by itself. because it has the money does not really work. just like you stay for the theater. you can always remember and say the things that you like to listen to, but you cannot really change the fact that these people, these under dogs, these indigenous people are not really elicited. they have side, but the thoughts they have a drone. they called it the who, who, it was the,

it was able to go and take footages of more than 10 minutes to the basis of these reviews and come back intact to lab and on and air. it's in a psychological warfare. this is on presidents. and this city of this target, the capacity and the ability of the opposite of the resistance in yemen to the, to a $1000000.00 tree with a $100.00 me ms side is there. this is a stop. yes, you can say that the economy is better in the united states. of course, it's the better, it's better in the united states. then it says in livia or the dogs. but you can also say that the, you don't mix its own weapons and gives it to the countless countries in the middle east. and you can also not look up the headline and go back to the ads because we're not only out of the speech and we are live in time. we can go back to the recent history just what's happened and the couple airport years few years ago when the americans exit the sun without actually doing anything or winning anything. well, i know, i know the i run out of time, but i haven't heard

a solid being mentioned that over a long time, but maybe it's a good thing now. all right, i, that's all the time we have what i think my guessing be root, berlin and in oklahoma city. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time and remember prospect the the, the window for the 1st one, second simply sitting dislikes, any of the seats, a cup of bus pulled, the son of course, in the region. there's seats in tradition to basing house of which is a fast to get people to know nationwide for the customs, cuisine and hospitality. so they told me that the most

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is ready slides walk sub and 11 known as the idea of say that targeted over 100 has for the positions on thursday. i don't see correspondence reports from the same route. the attacks. wow. so yeah, he's really storming uh, 11 on and uh we're gonna probably need someone to safe the dresser crossed all the lines, all the boundaries, all the norms when they launched this operation. it's a violent terrorist attack. it's a genocide, it's a massacre. the lead to all has a lot issues the statements accusing is relative responsible for the terrorist attacks which kills cellphones and wounded 1000.