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the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle from escalation to escalation. israel's pagers attack on has blocks and other lovely needs. citizens may be a prelude to a greater conflict in the region with israel failing and gaza and its economy distress does nothing yahoo plan to force that american intervention the cross fucking escalation. i'm joined by my guess. joshua landis in oklahoma city. he is director of the middle east studies program at the university of oklahoma. in berlin. we have coverage on my son. he is found rest of a re analysis and in b route we crossed through godaddy. francis. she is a journalist and more correspondent, white cross that grows in effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. joshua,

thank you very much for joining us. i know it's very early for you in reflecting them on with the over the last couple of days, the side tech terrorism, what we can call it that in lebanon. obviously at the, at the hands of the is re lease here. what is the message that's being sent because like everyone else on this program, in our viewers, i scour every, it's kind of opinion and the opinions are very diverse and trying to interpret what's going on here. what's your take? go ahead. as well as, as a major blow to his above there is no doubt about it and to um, the resistance access in general. um how much is known for being a um, well run in a row royal's machine that was able to force israel to leave levon on and 2000 after a long resistance. it's seen as being very good at what it does and also in 2006, it was able to send rockets into israel right through the entire engagement. but

this makes his bow look very weak and it's going to hurt his reputation as a resistance organization. you know, um, the technological difference between israel and his by law is, you know, it made me think of white settlers in the united states given blankets with smallpox on it to the native americans. and it was just that the gap between these 2 fighting forces is tremendous. and this reminds us of the technological superiority, the f, 30 fives, and so forth, that israel has a and is able to use throughout the air of world in the atlantic world. and this, this may excuse the balance of power in the favor of israel tremendously, despite the numbers and the, the best efforts of its neighbors. well, let me go to you in berlin. i mean,

is this a tactic, or is this a strategy or is it somehow both go ahead? it depends. it depends what is really intended on doing if this was a strategic and that means is right is wanted to compromise. the internal communication system of hezbollah was, is very successful in doing so. it's very early to judge if they were successful in completing compromising the internal communication system, especially between the headquarters and the senior officers and the junior officers on the ground. the indication since the attack this page of attack on lubano, he is that as well as not being detroit and to me. so i was under okay, it's under operations detrano types out of state on going now i agree with dr. joshua that is right. has the technology go and especially already over his will. however, the toner ends of the grassroots of the community off his will. lot is way higher than the is there any community? and in this case, the casualty rate as well on all the tally. it's in the hardest way,

which i still suspect that they will do it. if they have you tally it's however, and this is going to cause a major blow also for the israeli society because these very society is also tired of this conflict. and they cannot really continue emptying the settlements in northern palestine and moving gold. the population to the south and east coast will are now in largest the scope of the bomb being then used. right. and would it be for us to evacuate? more separates from northern palestine to other places, and this would increase the pressure on east valley itself. so we have to also see what is going to be to be dropping us for a lot, which is important to see that what she's going to say, and what are they intending on doing in against is right. got it. let me go to you and be rude. i mean, as horrific as, as it's a, it's an act of terrorism. obviously civilians were about, it wasn't targeted whatsoever. a child has been killed of people in the medical profession. all of this it's, it's,

it's an active pair but doesn't really change the equation here because this is a of, of just pointed out, i mean, in the, in northern israel there are still people that are displaced there in the south. i mean, nothing is really changed to me. if anything, it's more of a psychological blow at this point. go ahead. the 1st of all, let's me. thank you peter for know, think that it's a cetera talk. i was wondering if something similar happened to wife testers. that's a doctor non this referred to as something similar if any technological civilian used device was turned into a bomb with bi sanders, doctors, children, all sorts of civilians being hit with eco. so there is a technology because of video to the old. when he say it's a set or is the talk, it's only, it's too far into this genocide in palestine that's we are not really sitting back heat on trying to be politically correct. it is

a separatist attacks on civilians. and we have to clarify here just for the context beater and for everyone who will see that not everyone who is affiliated with his blood is it come back then? they were empties. they were doctors, there were scouts, there was a, there was the basset or even children. exactly. so not everyone. is it come back? and this is why i developed a home that it says that this says anything superior to in terms of warfare, because the people who are fighting israel and the south were not to hurt the combatants were not to hurt or hurt where people affiliated with has blah and people stand thing next to them in the lebanese community, and we have to take into consideration that the lebanese community and the lebanese voters, then both for hezbollah members of pharma, and to the present them. and the lebanese community showed it's tremendous active. some is there a fee threw out the days of these a tops and also before the end reported as well now has more than tens of

thousands of combatants. if so, if that's it really affected southern thousands. it does not really. the 3rd has been a lot or there miss suns or the capacity. and one more thing, we have to say a given the point that to give work from there than just stated the tremendous ask the resilience and the, the tolerance in our communities. we have to know that this is the 77 years of this drug and the indigenous people versus because the noises we never had similar technology. they always use their planes to, to bump our 10. they always used to have to pay the audit the insect and illogical will work good. and in minutes of the work, the owners and we, we have to, we have to point out to that the, who would be his basically defeated the u. s. navy. so i get your point here, so i'll show you, we had the is rarely defense minister galant. this is a quote here. the center of gravity is shifting to the north,

through diversion of forces and resources. this was the day before the pagers attack put these 2 together as well. it's quite clear that the nets and yahoo government has been trying to escalate this conflict. it to include a lab and on and to and to include iran most, most importantly for nothing. yahoo! and he has america at a point of great weakness because of the election campaign. both candidates are competing with each other to be more pro israel with the next. and this means that netanyahu is able, it may calculate that he's able to escalate and get the united states to help him destroy, not only his beloved, but perhaps to attack iran. now the united states does not want to get thrown into this kind of a conflict, particularly in the middle of a campaign which will, which will divert attention away from the issues that the democratic party is

trying to focus on to issues of whether it's $21.00 sided in the war and israel and whether this in fact helps america's foreign policy purchase it. whether america standing up for universal values in human rights instead of civilians. it is going to distort it's going to hurt america badly, but nothing, you know, feels and he has the advantage. of course we know that this is good for his own government, which is trying to push through a conquest of the west bank and to destroy palestinian claims to an independent state. and that's, that's his ambition. it's his lights work gap and it is a legacy that he has at the age of 70. i don't know exactly how old is, but getting to the end of his political tenure wants to complete a, a life's work of trying to conquer the room. yeah, well he came, he might end up also end up being the last leader of a, a design history theme as well. cuz i mean, i keep hearing this,

the us doesn't want to go to war. but it's nothing y'all to watch the us dakota war . it will go to war. i mean, oh yeah, it is it, this is very frustrating. hearing this, go ahead and berlin. i mean, if i was the national security advisor for the president of the united states, which doesn't exist at the current moment, i would advise a strongly against going into a war in west asia or in the middle east. the priority of the united states has to be from the american point of view to people, to, to the east, to try to counter the rise of china and also to try to draw rift between russia and europe. however, we natania whole as a professor also to show along this mention has enormous influence nowadays over different policy approach off to you as an if nothing you, our triggers are regional toward these are the, against his will law, syria, the unstoppable lined against you. then the united states has no choice but to

intervene and they will intervene. nobody has to have it the illusion that is read triggers the word that the americans would say no. this time we're not going to comment in support of the americans. not the americans will supply the east virus, whatever they need in order to fight these fights. and therefore, i don't see nowadays a difference between different policy, a porch in washington and the for the policy of television. because it's the point police of this has been hijacked by nathaniel. and as you mentioned, nathaniel also wants the legacy here. he wants to empties legacy with some sort of complete new, the ation of the palestinian statehood. and the postilion demand for the states. and therefore, be also pushes the palestinians and also the arabs all around the army corps into not accepting ease resolution to me. so you have to, oh, and the reps and that what they say, and i'm speaking about the garage with about the people that we don't accept the legitimacy of the political entity off is right. and we want one state solution that the palestinian c r eps the jews. and christians can live alongside each other

. and i don't see that this is say, you're absolutely right, but we came to us. we're going to go to break here. be out. well, nothing you know, may have his wishes and hopes, but there's a lot of people in the region that can veto that. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion about the escalation in 11 on state with our to the acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show . seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. what could i please or do you have the state department c, i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again,

it's not. we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way and say scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer. really served in the state department counterterrorism office under investor del daily the . so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and gather the facts to take back to the american people. the hold on bass of the front line. so this is where the bombs and the bullets are raging. this is where people are dying. this is where the buildings are exploding

the go. i wanted to see 1st hand the scars of war, the the welcome act across black were all things are considered non peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the escalation in live in the . okay, when it go back to our guest into godaddy,

it's really quite remarkable. if we look at the entire history of the state of israel, it's foreign policy, and it's always to divide its neighbors. and it's been remarkably successful in doing that. but things are changing, right? now, when i 1st spoke to you on this program, we, we, we were talking about this terrorist event against us, largely civilian population. i'm sure some may, may be members of has the law were injured or even killed, but this was a, this is not directed a one person. and the reason why i bring that up is that when you know, when the whole world sees this kind of activity, if you don't know if you're a page or is going to work, you have to be afraid of your phone. you don't know if you can turn on a radio. i mean that unites, you know, she is sony, secular as ac is, i mean inter unit, this is something that brings everybody together that just absolutely gut wrenching wrong. okay. and, and, and again, you know, when,

when we look at talking about has blog. i appreciate your points about, you know, okay, this is a huge blow and it's in the, it will have to be rectified, but it doesn't change the balance of forces. if a complex happens, it's going to be a mass casualty event for everybody and, and it won't just be for 11 or 11 on those punishment, but these are at least don't go ahead and pay with well, 1st of all, in introducing we don't go so there israel enabled rico, so there is a call on an occupation and they can supplement in the east. it's it. my grandmother is even older than that states. and when we speak about their tremendous victories in, in crossing the west, that this is also no reason and the nomenclature could be different. we are talking about the victory and then war crimes and genocide thing. and, and i may think a tolten, indigenous native population of old set of all religions, and they on the palestinian people. so what the israel does around its existence

has always been crimes and war crimes. the only difference and margin now is that it is being televised. it's only occurs to me, a sweet that's all you that yesterday on x, someone rose from the united states of america, we could get to a point where is where you use what puts out a sinews in gas chambers and that advice up and live cover that and we would find the usa department, finding excuses and waiting for an investigation. this is that a blog and realistic and what's happening today. we are still talking about what nothing yellow surfaces are. and given the fact that this is a war crime against all humanity, everybody using technology, this is the same that has been happening for the past year. this october 7th. and i just wanna say something that's a city after 11 months, 12 months, into a saki ongoing attacks. and because they using all kinds tons of munitions and impunity

didn't date till that moment. nathaniel was not able to decide how much he was able to densely populated, the places were bombed and can think of people what happened. but really does he get to actually, how much does it says 5 to does he stop the hon units and all these areas inside of that stuff from fighting rockets into is really settlements and into is really be says no. so when we're talking about his beloved, given all the facts, the mist dr. nom the safest in the beginning of this episode, from 2006, and also you have to add the distance a group. this is an arm group in the middle east that has never been defeated in any kind of ground invasion. there is no has to do the cords of the people. it has will. so i don't think nothing yellow can do anything in the ground invasion. and i think this was already this a thought to happen just to give a got a sense of achievement and accomplishment to the is really minions that don't want him in position anymore because he couldn't see any hostages. on the contrary, he killed you,

end up getting many of them and he didn't turn it just took him off and he didn't really do anything of his so called this is asked for the westbank. we are still seeing also resistance inside all kinds of coverages. distance inside ballast time, there's also the known what kind of operations. i think it would be pretty under uh, estimating the boxes. if we really say that's nathaniel who can actually end up accomplishing anything. he's only the americans. yeah. because he is an american calling. he's pulling the americas using the 8 pac money to continue supporting him . well, probably the next. that's if you're absolutely right, he could, he can control blackmail, pay off all he wants with a on us. if we can go back to oklahoma city, joshua isn't going to work. i mean, you know, we can play this game of bluffing and, and, and chicken and all that. but i mean, if it's really wants to have

a conflict with has belie, it will pay a very heavy price. i mean, they, you know, they, they, they have those missiles for a reason. you can have an american aircraft carrier there, and all that stuff succeeds and all that, but they're not going to be able to catch all of those missiles. this is what makes it so very dangerous as well. you're right peter. and the real question seems to me is whether there is any possibility for palestinian self determination in the long run. and is there a possibility that the that the european and an american community as well? um, well, ever pressure israel to withdraw from the west bank. now we just heard the crown prince sell mine my m as you know a m b s. say that he would never recognize israel unless there's a palestinian state, and this has become the rhetoric of the gulf nations today, which many people see as, as a boost to the palestinians. on the other hand,

the trade figures belie this, the trade between the gulf states and israel has increased fairly dramatically over the last few years. and syria, iraq 11 on livia, our own shambles, their economies are in shambles. and this, this in israel is going right. it is crushing the palestinians and that's what's happening and gaza. now, you know, this brings us back to this narrative of that has been common in the middle east, which is of the crusades that the crusaders lasted for 200 years. but eventually there was a lot of dean, the arabs got unified and they pushed them out. and that's, this is been in the rhetoric and the hope of many airbags in the middle east. don't you think joshua is the pricing but a that's exactly where i wanted to go. let me go to both of us and in berlin. this is what makes this interesting in a way,

an extremely dangerous because there are 2 major met, a narratives right here with the vote for the israelis and the design is project. this is their opportunity to solve all problems all with the same time. of course, the united states are supposed to do it for them, but just as josh was saying, as well, is it now you having a region that has been so sliced and diced by western imperialism. but now they are co with less co, a less things. we have 2 major meta approaches to this conflict. go ahead up to 3 decades ago. if you told me that the, the people of the region and especially the anti american copies can seriously challenge americans only nancy in the region. i would have told you this is a joke. and we're speaking about the special political, so after the invasion of iraq. but not with this, the situation has changed and the countries in the gulf, the also talking about 2 state solution, i think they are trying to save these,

right. and from it's the problems nowadays because many people also in the region, they started to say that because before, before that we always discussed whether it was right, it has the right to exist. now people say it does, it's ready to have the rights that has the legitimacy or deserve to exist after what it has done to the processing is and history. it shows us that no nation has committed a general side of these gratitude and ethnic cleansing in the past and the on the longer on sustained and continued. so is run, has 2 choices to either dismantle each radical sinus ideology. and this eventually will lead to one state solution and everybody co existing or net anyhow, government has to be humbled to immediately conflict. and i don't see that the 1st option is possible under the current circumstances. therefore, we are headed to an escalation and we have to measure something important. delivery as government for administer, for example, was playing the mediator role between the western powers and hezbollah,

trying to de escalate the situation. and before the minister said no after decent time and live on that they cannot urge because we are allowed to de escalate and not to retaliate and respond against the this terrorist attack against the bad news . people therefore even telling me patients being which were set because of the social pressure pressure that from the menus government are or gun. now. so if here's one that goes into a retaliatory actions, they will enjoy popular support from the menus and also from the officials in the, the bindings, governments some think that these strategies have done because of these very, as i would say charges attack against the bias people you know, it's interesting that i've heard over the last few months, israel needs to be humble, that needs to learn a less than a god. if i can go to you and be rude. i don't under the design, is this zionism doesn't function that way. it's winter. take all,

there is no compromise in israel in this is it where it is right now is its own worst enemy because it's playing for broke. but everybody else in the region is to go ahead and send somebody here think swipe supremacy is still going. and we cannot really defeat the colonizers because we are invested in boston's and less . and so somebody doesn't care that they're not being can. they're not the white and colonizers. let me say that's and is really a jewish right. the and wrote a book from oxford university. i have it in my library. i view this every day. i like to read this edit site. the. it's called israel in this rep from within me. and this person is a jewish person who went and the state says 2014 for a couple of years and used to he used to be called them to cindy economists. and you don't know exactly why he thinks is ram is gonna end. it's set by its sense because it has the money does not really work. just like you stay for the theater. you can always remember and say the things that you like to listen to,

but you cannot really change the fact that these people, these under dogs, these indigenous people are not really elicited. they have side, but a thoughts they have a drone. they called it the who full, it was the it was able to go and take, but the just of the more than 10 minutes of the basis of these reviews and come back, in fact, to 11 on an error. it's in a psychological warfare. this is on presidents and this city of this target, the capacity and the ability of the opposite of the resistance in yemen to the, to a $1000000.00 tree with a $100.00 me ms side is there. this is a stop. yes, you can say that the economy is better in the united states. of course, it's the better, it's better in the united states. then it says in livia or the dogs. but you can also say that the, you don't mix its own weapons and gives it to the countless countries in the middle east. and you can also not look, that's all i had been and go back to the add up because we're not only out of the speech and we are live in time. we can go back to the recent history,

just what happened in the capital airport years few years ago when the americans exit the sun without actually doing anything or winning anything. well, i know, i know the i run out of time, but i haven't heard a solid being mentioned that over a long time, but maybe it's a good thing now. all right i, that's all the time we have what i think my guess and be root. berlin and in oklahoma city. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time and remember prospect the a little far as the sun 2nd simply cities dislikes any of the pacific capital of bicycle, the son of course, and region this steve in tradition to be thing house of weight is

a fast get people to know nationwide for the customs with ease and hospitality. so let's go leave in the the, in the fire in line bear, we just again targeted by as well as the laptop it's operation against has blocks. other comes days after the mass exploding devices attached to the left, a trail of cottage nationwide along with the air strikes is ready tongues also roll into the goal on hide border region, escalating tension between the 2 countries. all the jo ramos on your rhetoric against russia, but moscow wants to have done this installation may lead to unofficially dented consequences. the