labouring but also began to rule their state the many americans perhaps even most americans believe that lee harvey oswald did not act alone when he killed president john f. kennedy on november 22nd 1963. oswald even called himself for patsy. just before he in turn was assassinated by night club owner jack ruby, it was a series of events that not only shook america, it also permanently change the course of american history. look at it this way. kennedy wanted to break up the c. i a and withdrawal from south vietnam. had that happened, there would have never been a president, lyndon johnson, and then no anti vietnam war movement. that means that there probably wouldn't have been a president richard nixon. and without mixing, it would have been no watergate scandal without water di jimmy carter would have

never been president. and without carter, there would have never been the so called reagan revolution of 1980. those are the only ways in which history would have been different. and john kennedy's wasn't the only murder that had an impact on history. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 we're going to tell you today about one of the most fascinating and so. busy murders in modern american history, and it's one that most americans know nothing about. i want to try to lay out the characters in the story. one is john f kennedy himself, you know all about him. another is cord meyer. he was a school friend of kennedy's, and many of their mutual friends said that they were best friends, indeed, best friends until the end of kennedy's life. kornmeier also became one of the c. i

is senior most officers. another character in the story is mary pincher, my records wife. she too was a great school friend of kennedy's, mary cord and j. f. k. all went to school together and in fact, kennedy and mary dated each other before marian cord became a couple and got married. that didn't stop jeff k. and mary, from having an affair, though that's something we'll talk about a little bit later. kornmeier joined the c. i a, in 1951 at the invitation of c. i, a director allen dulles kennedy was already in washington having been elected to the house of representatives and contemplating a sent it run. 3 years later, ford had a string of senior positions at the c. i always with kennedy support and the 3 along with jackie kennedy and newsweek magazine editor, ben bradley and his wife antoinette, who was married sister, were it every society party and every social event in washington together? the myers divorced in 1958, 2 years after their young son, michael was hit by

a car and killed near their home. he was 9 years old. fast forward then to 1963. kennedy is murdered in dallas in november. the myers are devastated, and washington and the country are never the same. but life eventually goes on. mary, who had always been artistic, became one of the leading artist in the washington colors school. that was an important american art movement of the mid 20th century. her paintings are now worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and are in museum collections around the world. on october 12th 1964, 11 months after kennedy was killed, mary decided to go for a walk along the cno canal. tow path in the georgetown section of washington dc. that was something that she did almost every single day. she was supposed to then meet her sister for lunch. and then she intended to paint for the rest of the afternoon in her studio, which was behind her sister's property in georgetown. but mary never made it. she

was brutally murdered while walking along the tow path. police almost immediately arrested a black man near the scene of the crime and arrest which racism played a major role. that man was tried for the crime and then an all white jury found him not guilty. no other arrests have ever been made. and the case is officially listed as open and unsolved. our guest today who was the best friend of the myers son, who was killed in that car accident, took up the case as an adult. he published an absolutely riveting book about it called mary's mosaic. the c i a conspiracy to murder, john f. kennedy, mary pinto meyer and their vision for world peace. he used primary source, c i a and us army documents to get to the bottom of it. and spoiler alert, he solves the crime. any points the finger directly at the c i a

we are very happy today to welcome peter jenny to the show. peter is a ph. d psychologist. he's a renowned author and a university lecturer. peter, thank you so much for being with us. this is a real treat. i pleasure, john. i am just really thrilled that the excitement around is. busy ready, and as far as job to meet you and also a health continue the job today. your audience. a mentor that peter. let's start with the players in this complicated story i. i hope that i did them justice in the introduction. but tell us about chord and mary meyer, their relationship to john and jackie kennedy and to ben and antoinette bradley. these people were all at the very top of washington society and the 19 fifties and the 1960s. and these were the circles in which your own parents were traveling. yes

. all of the people basically just mentioned, not not only socialized together, but their kids. uh, you know, became friends and were they went to the same rules. uh, washington private school, particularly one called george foundational one, which is quite a well known right now and uh, you know, they, they, they had a very old time in washington. and of course, that included quite a lot of drinking. uh and it took it show what tell us a little of your own personal history. you live near the myers when you were a child there middle son, michael, was your best friend. and then he was killed when he was hit by a car while trying to cross the street. you remains close to the myers into your young adulthood. and then when you were 17 years old,

you came home from school during a break. and your parents told you that mary had been murdered. that affected you deeply. tell us about that event and about how it spurred you to write this outstanding book. yes, it did. did you know the event itself shocked to me? you know, i remember sitting at our dinner table the night before thanksgiving in the fall of 1964. and my mother just sort of casually made an announcement as to the event of this murder. and, you know, here i was home from boring soul. i was in the 11th grade, i was planning to go out and how to get a all night. and i ended up retreating to my bedroom and going to bed literally right after dinner and crying. busy most of the night off and on.

i knew there was something very profound that i'd taken place. and i was also for many years trying to buy the scene at our dinner table because my mother did all the talking. and my father just vacantly stared off into space, which i thought was kind of unusual given you know, how. busy critical this event, lunch, show each day with me for many years. and there was only room a course of intensive cycle therapy. and since we were in the late got into the late 19th sixty's, the original view, the use of cycle del x and

a very responsible way that i just started making the connections that i needed to make that allows me to advance. there's. busy going to where they ultimate as a result was the bulk and i took many years. what tell us about the relationship between mary meyer and john kennedy, the national choir tabloid broke the story in 1976. well after both of them were dead. but now it's generally accepted, as fact. did you find proof of that relationship in your own research? oh, on, on a way to play. i think the thing you know, to begin is that the 1st time j f k laid eyes on mary. was she at a pressure winter, especially at the new sense? jazz k had gone from the trunk,

small or very tosh of perhaps 4 were in wallingford, connecticut, and you're already graduated. but he jane back the following year. just to go to the. busy big shot weekend there were there was formal damage that kind of thing. and this was where the 1st way the eyes on there and and it was a and a child or she could not forget mary's date was a man by the name of. busy liam atwood, who actually became a member of kennedy's administration. what was you want to counter these ambassadors? but there are a number of references to the 3 of them sitting around that uh no. subsequently coming together. and we're having an issue about when they work together at this dance. and so bill atwood kept running

upstairs to guard, will wish for me, you had a very bad cold. and during that time is when j. f. k started to make his boots on mary. in terms of cutting in a tower and on the base like that. but you know, mary kind of took it with a grain of salt. she recognized j. s. k at that time. so who was, you know, a very wealthy play board who was just awesome. married and you know, they didn't really address mirror. he didn't, i address scenary really, but definitely he was very uh, just taken with her. i never forgot it timed out fast forward into the late fifties, early sixties. and they ended up being neighbors, j, f, k. and his wife jackie more 1st to occupy, vickery hill, subsequently,

where bobby and apple and their family may have dr. j. f k, a. dr. long students in georgetown. so there was a lot of, you know, interaction at a certain time. um, i think the thing to remember here is that the trauma of the miners and particularly mary losing their middle son to a car accident where mike always get kind of asked josh coming home for dinner. and that was all 1956 in december. and so barry was devastated and i think that was really one of the primary things that chap a divorce. so it's more stimulated the worst to take

place because mary was also increasingly very turned off. of course. busy at the central intelligence agency, but she, i and she just didn't blanket she hated the island dollars. and she was just appalled about hearing a number of things that they were involved in. peter, i want you to hold that thoughts. we are going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to talk to peter jenny about his investigation into mary myers murder and the exciting combination of all of those efforts say to the. 2 2 the,

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with dr. peter jenny. he's a psychologist, renowned officer and a university lecturer. here, thanks again for being with us. by years, peter, let's get into the details of mary myers murder. mary went for a walk along the cno canal in georgetown like she did almost every day. she was going to have lunch with their sister and then paints, but she never made it to the lunch. take it from there. well, berries walks as you know, told her were a regular part of her g. g, typically winter studio around 8 in the morning. she would work for 3 or 4 hours. and there you go. take a walk down in georgetown from wherever the studio was, which was about 6 blocks and then go under t bridge and walk out the tow path to a place. busy fletcher's boat house,

so to go out to fletchers and that was about 2 miles, maybe 2 or a half mile long. and it was, as i said, a very established routine. mary jo, she had as a woman and her early forties, she was very physically chad. she played a lot of tennis, she took exercise very seriously. so this was, you know, routine that she really enjoyed. and we get to keep it up even on the coldest ation winter. and there's a little story in my book about one day she walked into jackson kennedy. this is almost the fascination and uh, the 2 of them just embraced and cried together. and uh, it's, it's a very, it's a very poignant moment, i think. and the story in terms of,

even though barry and, and j s k or having an affair, which i really think jackie knew about, as well as any number of sexual encounters. jack pag during his career and you know, the 2 of them had a bond that was above and beyond conflict just in terms of their respect and connection. and you know, g o buying straits and j f k was at the time and the tragedy that i'd take your place in dallas, one of the absolute craziest parts of this story is that of mary's diary. she kept a diary and she told her sister and brother in law about it and asked them to destroy it in the event that something happened to her. then immediately after her

death, the bradleys were in their home and they heard somebody in mary's studio behind the house, and ben bradley went to investigate. so tell our viewers what happened next. well actually, there needs to be a. busy action here, the way the bradley's knew about the diary was she to mary's best friend and slowly, man, alma, not andrew was in japan the day of the murder and on the evening of the murder, she actually called the bradleys and she was looking for jim angleton always made people know was the chief of counterintelligence at the she guy and she wanted to inform everyone that there was this diary they needed to find it because there were a lot of uh, very fascinating details that. busy in the diary and the band did not want to see

this information get into the wrong dance. so what happened is that point is bradley and angleton went to marry. she died already, and bradley had the keys to the french. so they went down to berry's gallery and found the diary as force. bradley gave it to angleton to quote, unquote take care of it. and so. busy it was angleton blatchley news about the diary already because he was having married each phone. i knew how who barry was and what she was capable of. and we're talking about him. all right. that is just, you know, in september of 1916 floor, the warren commission had been written and released. mary had her own copy, which she read and just curious to know in that it was at that point she was

planning to go public and basically tell the world of her relationship with j. f. k. and what had happened and she was going to blow the whistle on this. busy particular raver, ex husband and of course jim angleton showed that the chain billy the. busy lady shocked or asked to why does she i a so they just tried to get rid of her. she was going to just destroy all the publicity that was going into the warren commission report and trying to put the public act rash the. busy english lee harvey oswald when in fact she was already convinced that it was that you used the primary source documents from the c i a and from the us army that allows you to focus on one person, a man that you believe to be married,

myers killed her now this is the thing to me, this is what sold me on the book. who was that man and what led you to him? the name of the man was lieutenant william l mitchell and mitchell was. busy an under cover a contract agent for the she i a, a, she started to develop a habit, richard was instructed to do. i'll be out of the. busy time around that time, mary took her walk and so on the day of the murder, she was actually the last person to see her. now, originally i thought mitchell was the assassin was given the nature of visuals personnel ranking which by researchers

helped me get the least along with the jump. turning. we got his personnel file and examined a and mitchell did not have a profile. all the c i a is, johnson has been a c, i ss, and there would've been certain entries in india's personnel file of audi training here, adding training there. they weren't there. but mitchell is a very credible critical person. again, this story because maureen, going deeper into this web, it occurred to me that there was a she, i, a samsung, and these people. busy as you probably might imagine, the wife goes, i mean they come in, they do the work and then they just completely disappear and vanish. and there is not a trace of them. i don't think mitchell, it was the size of. and one of the reasons that leads me to this is i,

i filed the lawsuit against nature. i had to get to him in some way. and in order to get rid of the last 2 vigils, attorney agreed to a deposition that i would have a 3 hour. busy deposition with mitchell in california, whereby i could ask him questions that he has never been asked before. and of course it will be recorded advantage. aid has written out that kind of thing. so we went to this deposition that mitchell was unaware of my level of preparation as most people are. so i basically caught mitchell reduce, pass down the number of details and it was very clear through the deposition that he was like at one point only took a break by attorney,

was very anxious to select your date of. busy what's going on here he shut. busy up, peter, this is a guy who will come back with a loaded gun and shoot as all right, that's what i'm worried about. a force that does not happen, but you. busy i think that deposition really short the case, several star shuts further deeper to really show that there was that i'm match the amount of organization around this operation and you have to look a certain way or else. but suspicion was just going to totally de rail. what intelligence results wanted to achieve in the shop or asia and a, go ahead peter, i, i apologize that we're out of time and i want to thank you for being with us on the show. and i, i want to encourage everybody to take

a look at this absolutely magnificent book. mary's mosaic, thanks for being with us. what a pleasure, john author, robert per se, said in his famed book then and the art of motorcycle maintenance. the truth knocks on the door and you say, go away, i'm looking for the truth and it goes away. puzzling. but that's what so many americans have done as others have searched for the truth and some of the most dramatic and historically important events of the 20th century. that's why we are so fortunate to have people like dr. peter jenny, out, they're researching, writing, and not being afraid of the truth. i'd like to thank peter jenny for being with us today. please. again, check out his book. mary's mosaic, the c. i. a conspiracy to murder john of kennedy, mary pinto myers and their vision for world peace. i'd also like to thank our viewers for joining us for another episode of the list of lowers and john kerry. aku, please follow me on some steps at john kerry. i will see you next time the

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i wanted to disentangle the strings that tied them up in knots that enabled and animated their actions. what was their decision making process? what were their biases, their prejudices? what was their psychological profile? i wanted to study them in very deep detailed ways. i am an american i see army officer and i've come to ukraine to try and understand and take the understanding back to americans about what has been happening here. so i'm very glad that you will sit down and talk with me, and i'm very glad that you speak english because my russian is that good. i'm a surgeon to pull the regiment as also i lay a combo, a girl, and won't have girl on them, or somebody to me over a joint as of my name is dana hodges. my sony is hutchins and my goal sign

was go ahead and what i found with the 1st prisoner who was a very bright historian, economic minded individual, was essentially no one in ukraine really wanted to fight. they were pushed into what they were and grabbed off the street. they were captured by zelinski. they were threatened and they were so he didn't want to die. so he followed orders, but he'll have to pay the price for, for crimes that may have been done in those orders. so he was, he was also a little light because he said he had been told that the zelinski government had said, you know, america supports us, america, alarms us america and i told them no, that's wrong. the people in the united states of america have of, or thrown their congress and gotten rid of the democrats. and the rhino who were pushing for this for the american. people do not support zalinski. the american people do not want to continue financing or providing weapons to ukraine.