once again, the, [000:00:00;00] the i'm ashley understands you're welcome back to going under guy little cost to go around the world in the you a, i had to have 2 more as past day. well, the dispatches at the un general assembly in new york, the same is global war fee, is because of nato member escalation of weapons to fight russia, china and palestine through their ukraine, ty, one and these really proxies. i'll give you the ever, the magic of the geo political, economic suicide west and europe is this week,

2nd anniversary of the bombing of the north stream pipeline supplying energy to the strongest economy. germany, sy hersh on this show revealed it was a bite, and harris terror attack. a rare and brave boyce into europe in bottom, and under washington puppet us to live on the land. his be make wallace who along with fellow irish politician plat daily has been a passionate voice for peace, always back in negotiation of a war equality over all the gawky. he joins me now from italy. make thanks so much for coming on going underground. have i been to just get to the 2nd the anniversary of what was perhaps the largest single man made me pain emission events in human history know that the green parties of your, of seemed to be that worried about it. you being in the european parliament with us a level under land. is she part of the cover up as well? those the you saw the 0 advertise for the troops surrounding

the destruction. a nice thing to advise on the day the that the do is get broke a there was actually a conference on meet and emissions into your being part of months. and i was actually asked to speak as is by the degree body. because i was on the environment committee as well. and i actually spoke about the issue. i have a degree and i just want to just try to make as old as the russians again. and about 24 hours later, the part of the law because it became very clear, quickly that uh, the russians went go the stride of their own pipelines as the ones at the gas to stop going to germany. they could turn off the top on their end. and despite the fact that this was the largest release of meat and in the, on the history of the words. and despite the fact that this was

a huge episode of environment and destruction, the green parties across europe did not have anything to say to buses and is fixed by just about what day really it represents when they couldn't actually even criticize the western powers who it was pretty obvious just who organized the whole kinds of those were sitting, not certain, but we're pretty sure does. uh it was the americans were up to the opposite. our teachers and i decide that bundle line didn't month to no buses. none of the information wants to know about under your pin at members of any p is didn't want to know about it and it was really a symbol of the place that the e u is in today, that they've showed no advertise foreigners. and the fact that they will pair to

single uh is scary. i mean, uh, shortly before does. yeah, had the german german chancellor shows, uh, he was in america and washington went by and bite him nicely. tough, openly about decides that the americans could do goods. uh those the pipeline uh, in the whatever, the lights uh, and it shows never even blinked and it was done beside the crazy. and i mean, there's been a crash in living standards since the all is european parliamentary members in the bottom of the and, and the member states themselves have continued to pull money into key of more than one and 5, living in poverty in the 95000000 people, how is it beginning to capitalize a different political formations? we've seen the, the rise of all of managed minutes shall end us. our wagon connect in germany as

well as naturalist anti globalization policies that are assumed to be right wing this and the nationalist. how is it affecting western european politics as well? that's, that's hard to produce exactly. well with less than products is going at the moment . i mean, we didn't have, despite the fact that those huge are these with how to easier was walking, is pretty obvious that the use of the interests of and rates and big industry rather than serves the interests of the art, the people. but yet the same time you have went over 90 percent of the emmy peas electors represent the rice ring view pines. and that's scary. so you kind of want to use up well, how does democracy really work? if the people actually don't like war is the people like peace and yes, the parliament is full of people who likes war. i mean, how did they get elected?

what's happening to where's, where's that? where's where so democracy on the, to be told that there's a huge disillusionment with the system over half the people don't vote and immensely media pay a large role in deciding who was the light is big money. there's a large role in how is that like this, so that should be towards our apartments. do not represent the publish the don't the don't represent the people of europe well, and a very good example of dash, a, was in the, in, in 2022 traded street. as you know, those of your credit resolutions every month in strasburg, into your pain parliament and myself and care daily. twice we put in an amendment to do you agree in resolution and our amendments called while the parliament were jumping up and down, they couldn't,

they couldn't give enough money to keep the bar go on. our resolution called on to you to maximizes potential to bring about dialogue, diplomacy with a view to ending the war, understand as you piece, deals over 80 percent of the m a. p is voted against us on each occasion. and yet at the same time, all of the opinion pause at that time, we're showing the widow over 80 percent of the people wanted peace enough war. so we have the people over 80 percent of the people once a piece, a over 80 percent of the politicians were prepared to support the bar mongering and support the minutes the industrial complex that were making a fortune from the war. so we know huge differences in democracy in the u. n. that has been really outlined clearly, not just by the water new play, but also obviously in gaza. i mean you south amongst these people, british politicians are accused of being direct to us. security assets,

a storm or in britain next year, i've sat next to him on a b c program, a try that will commission member allow me a at school fees paid by israel, low b a. so what was your perception in the parliament? all of the slavish and as to c, i a priority is to factor, well, it's like like you're sitting there with them. they obviously believe in what they're saying, no matter how much you're remunerative. potential just the decision to send hundreds of thousands of ukrainian into a meat grinder. maybe. well, i'm not so sure that they all believe what they're saying. and i love the land and bureau, do they believe it? it was the bundle line that has been notorious and bundle line is clearly an i us, us, as she has shown what a 100 percent support for us and power for us imperialism

a she as behaves like a talk to sermons of us and power. and sadly, she has managed to bring most of the european union river road. i've been a bit mixed by. it hasn't been as black and white as har on the issue. he has, for example, he's been target on ukraine. it hasn't been quite as bad on guys that he hasn't been good enough. but because it comes from spain and he comes from the associate democrats in, in spain. they're not, they're not left me by any means, but they're not as lively as many others. and brand has been under pressure, i'd say, from people in spain and from a distance, even in spain, to be a little bit more rational about what's going on. and guys, a bundle line has the i want to get on the guys, obviously the middle east and the realize being in the u. a. sorry to interrupt that, but or else he'll obviously it's of elizabeth bass,

of sending of honest with the ukraine proxy weren't actually going to say, i'm not to blame the i thought i thought you were going to be with him when he retired is he's outgoing. anyway, now there, but what about island way your from i, michelle. oh, adult little and there shouldn't fain is who run the northern part of what scene is british occupied northern ireland and they beat on this jo, mainly with dollars being on this. yeah. they seem quite nice, a few years ago going underground people can look at it, probably be in band those videos island. i know you full. it's against the island being a proxy for us some georgia flights and she had an apple. but what's happened to that country? visa v. ukraine? yeah, what was the junk? ukraine? the positions right across the board and all the parties have not been good on your credit. they have, they have refused to call it those as

a proxy war is clear to all that. this is the u. s. national proxy war that the west, we're happy to see happen. they have done nothing. they didn't nothing to stop the war stock. and the 1st list and the nothing to stop insensitive starters. they've done nothing to establish peace and sadly in ireland, our politicians, i've done nothing about it either. i mean, probably the one standard politician in ireland who's actually talk some sense about what's going on and you will pray and has been our president making the higgins. i'd like to do. he goes, has been very impressive, but actually relate to the members in the parliament. i've been very disappointing . and uh, what are the main reasons for that? is that they're scared of the media. most politicians are scared of the mainstream media. i myself into their day, they were written off as cute and puppets because we want to piece we want to piece, so we'll call room a beautiful puppets. i mean, the words,

it was totally irrational, but people buzz and you know, people actually talk, oh my god, they're taking sides of the war and the, the, the, with the russians, the enough with uh, with us, with the ukrainians and your pains. the soap you told it was our ripping. how much do your opinion? there's nothing to stop this war starting. and i have stopped in bo, or i was out of committee in the or being part of where the natal bus young start above came in. and he goes to a boat provoking to war. he boasted about the fights that 3 months before the war broke out was that the russians had been in contact with them and they had laid down their red lines and said, that's a fight that they wanted less nasal. the ones that it wasn't your craven state notes are the ones that obviously the miss agreements put into place. but they wanted to miss sides in eastern european countries that were in that rochelle

removed. and they said that this was their condition for an us invading ukraine. and he laughed, i bought the pipe, the put of course we were never going to be to the us. and he says, why wish i've got the wanted less natural to get more of us. and he was proud of that and he boasted then about to side to ministry spending in 2023 in europe. increased by a percent minutes are spending what a waste of money when we have a housing prices, people kind of get popular healthcare. we've cuts in education, a social infrastructure. uh, it's been his dance and sadly ireland has ruled him with the the, the us and it help proxy war in your praise. we haven't given the minds because we don't make them because we have support for them. and in line with what bundle line wants to make was,

i'll stop you. the more from the irish politician involved, remember the urban vitamins after this break, the more expensive and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do, do not watch my new shelves seriously. why watch something that's so different? several opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to planes or do they have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction. but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way

the the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the irish politician is just remembered, you are being bottom, it's mike wallace to make um you were talking in pop one about the nato boss, stall who bugs laughter has. so ukraine was using this proxy war. you mentioned that daily was also being on this program and other irish, it may be from who is in the european parliament. but you, you said that some of them didn't believe in the proxy war, but nevertheless voted through all the american of secret state to agendas. is it that, or is it the, oh, is it all the things as well that forced these? i mean these to vote no with the conferences, but with their uh, well, with washington. i mean,

and you said the media. okay. media does play a big role. now we also know does um, you know, there's a huge loving industry and buses. uh, it probably is hard the shopping to some people that many learning they've changed . hun, sometimes to end of the was a, an episode of task in relation to the guitar. i was, i mean that was only the tip of the iceberg. and we don't really know for sure what's going account condo, and it said we had the you a big influence with some of the auditors said the accounts aren't audited for the urban commission. yeah, because i mean, the workings of the lives needs a lot to be desired in many ways. but just, just to go back to the pine to bus a. why are so many of the elected members a prepared to be puppets, to us interest?

i mean, do you know there's just over 700? i mean the peas and your being part of, and there's over 60000 lobbyist in brussels over 60000. there's over 12000 registers, comp registered lobby companies, over 12000 companies. with an average of about 5 people walking in them, that gives us over 60000 number, used for over, for just over 700 and the piece. what's are these lovely is do? who pays them? how do they make it live? if they don't know her back to the walk and influencing the politicians and the parliament under and the commissioners and the commission and the guys in the counsel, if they want to fight to the adobe them, where they get paid. would it be so many of them people need to look at that they'll be in there's like a concert to any notion of democracy that we have. and this does also play

a role in the decision making of the m e p is when they go to boys. but i went by, i did say that not all of them agreed with how to avoid a number of m. a. p is contacted by seth frontier daily, around suck balls. and they said they're paid yet. we'd love to have the courage to do which is do we actually agree with you? but we can go to that space or we would be demonized at home by the media. yeah, people might laugh at being accused of being a puts in pop it. i understand that you actually did, you were involved in some legal action for defamation as regards that, i mean now everyone is approved. you know, i mean tucker carlson. donald trump is approved and apologised, infamously, what about that campaign and then they, and that's part of say, they kind of even be a free media or in your because it goes all it is banned. now it's banned in the united states, even a byron, where it has a 1st amendment is this,

you have organizations like the national government for democracy, which is one by the funded by the americans. they boast about investing in independent media in the old countries around europe. so hard to don't split the money. who gets has independent media? what's the media is independent media as someone does a spouts of the us line is, is the independent media data. people that protects us interest or the people that are the people that has the truth of us really happen. don't think so. you don't really get paid by the side for by anyone. for ton of the suitable was really going on. would you get a good chance of guessing some investment in some form or other provided you were told the line and keep it on the right side of things? i mean, you think they're pretty proud then in washington. i mean, you've spoken parliament about the legacy of the c i a operation operation. glad

you. we actually did to show about this recently going underground show you spoke in the are being problem and with respect to cube are obviously now the you is talking about venezuela. i will return, i will go to palestine in a minute. but how's that be? and since post 45, and he was equally as expected when you in new york being problem with the child ground for american interest to dominate the, the leads in your so that there was no representatives will very few represent representatives o u n. can take me into european parliament, really talking about the poor in the under classes as opposed to the lead interest of western europe. yeah, i mean dimensions have had a huge in size and a huge influence in europe. in particular, since the end of the 2nd world war, i mean the 2nd law, it ends in 45 and 49 us fall nasal a never was funds,

not as a, as a deterrent or is offense alliance against a possible. and so between these function, nato was funded by the americans to keep your opinions in check in order so that the europeans wouldn't be going off and doing things on their own boss without america's blessing. so really what nato was doing, the americans were putting the order pains into our pockets by establishing nasal and nasal. you mentioned operation, claudio, which and i'll be reading it to me. the book with i am on a food was, i mean i actually came up in new york times in 1990 and there was a resolution bullet to calling for an investigation into the workings of nasal in the operation blasio in easley. and we, we know that natal worked with a map yet. i'm with nazis in italy in order to undermine left wing moments. and

yes, nato was present. it was as if it was, this was something a, some, a positive, a organization of some sort. we had to you under the guidance of bundle line, getting closer and closer to me is also a pines where it's starting to look like visual or actually making some of the decisions into your opinion at the moment. and that is absolutely scary. nato is, are like a tired of southern eyes ation. they have left to trade a lot of destruction behind them. everywhere they've gone. you this live, you asked us the erac, libya. yeah, you haven't, syria, nasal, i've had as nothing positive to offer to people of your i've never had, it has gotten no to do with these. and as i said, the some of the minutes, the fathers came into one of our committees who was advocating that the, your team members, dates, spend more more money on weapons because of the big. but there was

a is one of the colon and take over the place. and i said to him, i said, come, you said you are looking to promote the production a more and more of machines that killed people are designed to kill people. i said you're making money from visually. i said you're promoting bar because you can sell your stuff unless there's war. i said if i was making ring cause i said i'm selling ring, cause i said to him that i wouldn't be able to sell them if it didn't rain. so as you can see, your merchandise on this, those wall are sleep mode, war. you make money off the misery of others. i don't, don't for guess of all the, there's hundreds of poses date in ukraine. edu. couldn't give a damn about them. and not only does, but these are what contrast ukrainians had been. sacrifice for the west of geo political age says i'm a, i condemned the russian invasion. i disagree with war. i'm for peace. but the

western rule has been heard of others while her ripping, but they are most indeed the minutes industrial complex. now we're feeding money to what we're spending billions and billions keeping this war and your pray god. we're spending billions and we're building up our defense capacity. and we're, we're enriching division doesn't complex for no good reason. the people have, you don't want us. they want the money spends on, on social infrastructure well and services. well, there are some critics of food, and he said that agent have invaded, he is before up to the made and coo and save the lives of the people in eastern ukraine, arguably. and now burrell is gone, it's going to be this guy, a callous woman who was the breakup of russia. presumably one of the war aims since the may then qu, in 24 team. she was the estonian, the prime minister. she's going to be the foreign policy chief of way used to work . how, how is it going to change as either way, whether it'll change,

depending on what's happening in november in the united states. as regards guys, because obviously it's these europe and nations that are backing to they help the military weapons pouring into israel to, uh, for the genocide singleton. usually they are supporting and weapons even more than the americans in the ukraine. how do you expect it to change hands of november and often november it was in relation to guys. uh uh. when our trunk our house is in power. i don't see much difference um what our troop would be better on your plan remains to be seen. if it does good, then obviously you 5050 as to what you can get say it was a guy that has been a game changer for the people of your and i think the most a slipped and the european union the had shared values with is your opinion of who we got out of the us and is

a like minded partners the same your opinion has not been able to cut them as well. they haven't been able to call out to genocide for what it is . we had bundle line and we had the part of the price of the minnesota go to tennessee, even morris had this ready to go do whatever to like as if nothing ever happened before october 7th, to try to isolate october 7th and pretend that there was nothing about happening before the guys it was a but was in a bad place before october 7th. and the genocide have been going on since 19 for 2 years and also that tie in the us and the your pains tolerated. so it wasn't a big shop that they tolerated that after october 7th. but we have seen this time. we've seen is on our mobile phones, we have seen a genocide taking place before our eyes. and we have seen the europeans and the americans complicit in this genocide. so the,

your opinion that cares about human rights and humanitarian law. well, all of a sudden the don't care about it all with a to it is that it is, it is. whereas the scribe, that's the european union of hypocrisy. we care about human rights when it suits us . all the very worried about the women in a rush because nobody can see it but enough by the government. but we have no putnam, uh, what is with canon at probably about $15000.00 women and, and gas or i'm even more children. that's okay. is this a lot what we don't care about we're doing all we care about human rights or do we oh, don't we do? we do everybody's human rights when it suits us and we don't care about what it doesn't services. it has to be in our geo political interests. but we're still on the exercise. dinners, and this is really exposed to have published a about to your b union stands parts of the people of your, of the people of your,

of our shop. genuinely shops that you, you, your pin countries on the margins. i've been totally complicit in the genocide against the palestinian people. we have never ever seen anything as brutal as this is really regime ever as we are still silent above us, i'll make wallace. thank you. no, but no sound the low that's half of the show of continued condolences to those very evaluate you as you um, genocide will be back for brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my with my social media, if it's on sensitive video country and that draw channel going underground tv and rumbled up. com to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad. see, is that the,

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