the, the i'm actually understands you're welcome back to going under the guy little cost to go around the world in the you a, i had to have 2 more as 1st day. well, the to speech is at the un general assembly in new york. the same is global war fee is because of nato member escalation of weapons to fight russia, china and palestine through their ukraine, ty, one and these really proxies. i'll give you the able to magic of the geo political economic suicide west and europe is this week, 2nd anniversary of the bombing of the north stream pipeline supplying energy to the strongest economy. germany. sy hersh on this show revealed it was a bite and harris terror attack. a rare and brave boist in the or p in bottom and down the washington pump into us to live on the land. as we make wallace, who,

along with federal irish politician plan daily has been a password voice for peace, always back in negotiation of a war equality over all the gawky, he joins me now from italy. meg, thanks so much for coming on going underground. i better just get to the 2nd the anniversary of what was perhaps the largest single man made me pain emission events in human history. no. the, the green parties of europe seem to be that worried about it. you being in the european parliament with us live on the land. is she part of the cover up as well? there was the you sold the 0 advertise for the troops surrounding the destruction. a nice thing to inside on the day the, the, the do is get broke of those actually a conference on meet and emissions into your opinion,

part of most. and i was actually asked to speak as is by the green party. because i was on the environment committee as well. and i actually spoke about the issue with the greens. i just want to just try to make as old as the russians again. and about 24 hours later, the part of the law because it became very clear, quickly that uh, the russians weren't called the stride of their own pipeline. i still wanted the gas to stop going to germany. they could turn off the top on their end. and despite the fact that this was the largest release of meat and in the, on the history, the words, and despite the fact that this was a huge episode of environment and destruction, the green parties across europe did not have anything to say to buses and is big by just about what day really represents,

but they couldn't actually even criticize the western powers who it was pretty obvious just who organized the whole kaiser. those were sitting not certain, but we're pretty sure does. uh it was the americans were up to the opposite. ortiz and us, and to decide that bundle line didn't month to no buses. no, the commission want to know about under your pin a members of any p is didn't want to know of others. and it was really a symbol of the place that the e u. as in today that they showed no advertise foreigners, and the fact that they will pair to sing go. uh, is scary. i mean, uh, shortly before does you had to jump to german chancellor shows, uh he was in america and washington went by and bite him. actually talked openly about, decides that the americans could do goods

a towards the pipeline uh, in the whatever. the light uh and it shows never even blinked and it was done beside the crazy. and i mean, there's been a crash and living standards since the, all those european parliamentary members in the bottom of the and, and the member states themselves have continued to pull money into key. i have more than one and 5 living in poverty in the 95000000 people. how is it beginning to catalyze a different political formations? we've seen the, the rise of all of management. it shall end us. our wagon connect in germany as well as naturalist anti globalization policies that are assumed to be right wing this and the nationalist. how is it affecting western european politics as well? that's, that's hard to produce exactly. well, with less than putting, says,

go on at the moment. i mean, we didn't have, despite the fact that a huge on these with how to easier was walking, is pretty obvious that the use of the interests of relates and big industry rather than serves the interests of the all the people. but yet at the same time you have what over 90. ready percent of the emmy peas electors represent the rice ring deal pines. and that's scary. so you kind of want to use up, well, how does democracy really work? if the people actually don't like war if the people like peace and yes, the parliament is full of people who likes war. i mean, uh, how did they get elected? what's happening? where's, where's that, where's, where's our democracy going to, to be told that there's a huge disillusionment with the system over half the people don't vote and

the mainstream media play a large role in deciding who was like this big money plays a large role in how is that like this, so that should be towards our apartments. do not represent the publish the don't the don't represents the people of europe well. and a very good example of dash was in the, in, in 202223. as you know, those of your credit resolutions every month in strasburg and do your pin part of it myself and clear daily. twice we put in an amendment to do you agree in resolution and our amendments called while the parliament were jumping up and down, they couldn't, they couldn't give enough money to keep the bar go on. our resolution called on to you to maximizes potential to bring about dialogue, diplomacy with a view to ending the war under stablish in peace dealers,

over 80 percent of the m. a p's voted against us on each occasion. and yes, at the same time, all of the opinion pause at that time, we're showing the widow over 80 percent of the people wanted peace enough war. so we have the people over 80 percent of the people once a piece, a over 80 percent of the politicians were prepared to support the bar mongering and support to minutes the industrial complex that were making a fortune from the war. so we know huge differences in democracy in the u. n. that has been really outlined, barely, not just by the water new play, but also obviously in guys. i mean, you south amongst these people, british politicians are accused of being direct us security assets style, maria and britain. next year i've said next year i'm going to be see program a try that dro commission member. allow me a at school fees paid by israel low be a. so what was your perception in the parliament?

all of the slavish and as to c, i a priority is to factor. well, it's like like you're sitting there with them. they always a believe in what they're saying, no matter how much you remunerative potential, just the decision to send hundreds of thousands of ukrainian into a meat grinder. maybe. well, i'm not so sure that they all believe like i said, and i love this of on the land and bureau. do they believe it? it was the bundle line that has been notorious and bundle line is generally an i us, us, as she has shown what a 100 percent support for us and power, but us imperialism a. she as behaves like a talk to the servants of us and power. and sadly, she has managed to bring much of the european union river road. i've been a bit of mix by it hasn't been as black and white as har on the issue. he has,

for example, he's been target on your grand. it hasn't been quite as bad on guys that he hasn't been good enough. but because it comes from spain and he comes from the associate democrats in, in spain. they're not, they're not leveling by any means, but not as lively as many others. and brand has been under pressure, i'd say, from people in spain and from a distance, even in spain, to be a little bit more rational about what's going on. and guys, a bundle line has. yeah, i want to get one of the guys. obviously the me least and the realize being in the you a, sorry to interrupt that or else he'll obviously simple is a massive, a sending of honest with the ukraine proxy weren't actually going to say, i'm not to blame the i thought i thought you were going to be with him when he retired. he's out going anyway, now there, but what about island way your from a michelle. oh,

i don't know when the shooting feign is who run the the northern part of what scene is the bridge occupied, northern ireland, and they beat on this show marrying the goal is being on this. yeah. they seem quite nice. a few years ago, going underground people can look at it, probably be in band those videos. island, i know you forth against the island being a proxy for us some georgia flights and she had an apple. but what's happened to that country? visa v. ukraine. yeah. what was the junk ukraine? the positions right across the board and all the parties have not been good on your credit. they have, they have refused to call it those as a proxy war is clear to all that this is the u. s. national proxy war. that the west, we're happy to see happen. they had done nothing. they didn't nothing to stop the war stock and in the 1st place and the nothing to stop insensitive starters.

they've done nothing to establish peace and sadly in ireland, our politicians, i've done nothing about it either. i mean, probably the one stand a politician in ireland who's actually talk some sense about what's going on and you know, pray and has been our president making the higgins and like to do, he goes, has been very impressive, but actually relate to members in the parliament i've been very disappointed and what are the main reasons for that? is that they're scared of the media. most politicians are scared of the mainstream media myself into their day. they were written off as cute and puppets because we want to abuse. we want to piece, so we'll call the root a beautiful puppets. i mean, the worst that was totally irrational, but people buzz and, you know, people actually talk, oh my god. they're taking sides of the war and the, the, the, with the bushes, the enough with uh, with us, with the credit is in your pains. the soap you told it was horrific. how

much your pain union does nothing to stop this war starting. and i have started to bo, or i was out of committee in the or being part of where the natal bus and start above came in. and he goes to a boat provoking the war. he boasted about the sites that 3 months before the war broke out was that the russians had been in contact with them and they had laid down their red lines and said, that's a fight that the want of less nasal, the ones that it wasn't your craving stayed notes of the ones that obviously miss agreement put into place, but they wanted to miss sides in eastern european countries that were in that rochelle removed. and they said that this was their condition for an us invaded ukraine. and he laughed. i bought the pipe, the put of course we were never going to agree to that. and he says, why we should have gotten the wanted less nato. they'll get more of those. and he

was proud of that. and he boasted then about to side to ministry spending in 2023 in europe. increased by a percent, minutes are spending what a waste of money when we have a housing prices, people kind of get popular healthcare. we've cuts in education, a social infrastructure. uh, it's been his dance and sadly ireland has ruled him with the the do us need help proxy war in your credit. we haven't given the minds because we don't make them because we have support them a in line with what the bundle line once is. make was i'll stop you, the more from the irish politician involved, remember the urban vitamins after this break the

hello and welcome to cross the full board. here we discussed some real in the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the irish politician is just remembered, you are being bottom, it's mike wallace. mc uh you were talking in pop one about the nato boss stall who bugs loft as ukraine was using this proxy war. you mentioned that dailey was also being on this program and other irish, it may be from, it was in the european parliament. but you, you said that some of them didn't believe in the proxy war, but nevertheless voted through all the american of secret state to

agendas. is it that or is it the oh is it all the things as well that forced these that may be to vote no with that consciences but with their uh, well with washington because i mean, um you said the media. okay. the media does play a big role. um, now we also know does um, you know, there's a huge loving industry and buses. uh, it probably is hard to shop into some people that many learning they've changed hun, sometimes to end of the was a, an episode of does a immunizations, a good time. i was, i mean, that was only the tip of the iceberg. and we don't really know for sure what's going account condo, and it said we had the big influence with some of the auditors said, the accounts aren't audited for the urban commission. yeah, because i mean,

the workings of the lives these a lot to be desired in many ways. but just just to go by to the pine, to buzz a. why are so many of the elected members a prepared to be puppets to us interest? i mean, do you know there's just over 700? i mean the peas and your being part of, of those over 60000 lobbyist in brussels. over $60000.00. there's over 12000 registers, comp registered lobby companies, over 12000 companies. with an average of about 5 people walking in and that gives us over 60000. not used for overs for just over 700. and the piece which of these lobby is do. who pays them? how do they make it live? if they don't know her back to about the walk and influencing the politicians and the parliament under and the commissioners and the commission and the guys in the account. so if they want to fight to the adobe them where they get paid. what it is,

so many of them people need to look at that lobby and there's like a concert to any notion of democracy that we have. and this does also play a role in the decision making of the m e p is when they go to both. but i went by, i did say that not all of them agreed with how to work 40 a number of m e p is contacted by stuff intel daily, around suck balls. and they said, they're paid yet. we'd love to have your courage to do, but just do we actually agree with you, but we can go to that space or we would be demonized at home by the media. yeah. people my life of being accused of being approved in pop it. i understand that you actually did, you were involved in some of the collection of have for defamation as regards the that, i mean now everyone is approved. you know, i mean tucker carlson. donald trump is approved and apologised, infamously,

what about that campaign? and then they, and that's part of say, they couldn't even be a free media or in your because it was all, it is bad. now it's bad in the united states, even apparently where it has a 1st amendment to listen. you have all of those ations like the national government for democracy, which is one by the funded by the americans. they boast about investing in independent media in all countries around europe. so hard to don't put the money. who gets as independent media? what's independent media is independent media as someone does a spouts, as the us line is, is independent media. our data people, debt protects us interest or the people that are the people that has the truth was really happening. i don't think so. you don't really get paid by the side for by anyone pretending to suitable was really going on. would you get

a good chance of guessing some investment in some form or other provided you were told the line and keep it on the right side of things. i mean, do you think they're pretty proud then in washington? i mean you've spoken parliament about the legacy of the c i a operation operation. i'm glad you we actually did to show about this recently going underground show you spoke in the are being problem and with respect to cube are obviously now the you is talking about venezuela. i will return, i will go to palestine in a minute. but how does that be? and since post 45, and he was 6, as expected, when you into your being problem with the child ground for american interest to dominate a b leads in your so that there was no representatives or a few represent representatives or you and can take me into european parliament really talking about the poor in the under classes as opposed to the lead interest of western europe. yeah, i mean, the americans have had a huge interest in

a huge influence in europe. in particular, since the end of the 2nd world war. i mean, just taking a lot of law, it ends in 5 to 5 and 49 us visual and never was funds not as a, as a deterrent or is offense alliance against a possible. and so between the expansion nato was funded by the americans to keep your opinions in check in order so that the, your opinions wouldn't be going off and doing things on their own boss without america's blessing. so really what nato was doing, the americans were putting the order pains into our pockets by establishing nasal and nasal. you mentioned operation, claudio, which you already need to me. the book with i am on the food was, i mean i actually came up into your be in power was in 1990 and there was a resolution voted through calling for an investigation into the workings of natural in the operation flavio in easley and we,

we know that nato worked with a mac. yeah. i'm with nazis in italy in order to undermine left wing moments. and yes, nato was present. it was as if it was, this was something a, some, a positive, a organization of some sort. we have to you under the guidance of underlying, getting closer and closer to me at all to a point where it's starting to look like nasal or actually making some of the decisions and do your thing, union at the moment. and that is absolutely scary. nato is, are like a tired of southern eyes ation. they have left to trade a lot of destruction behind them. everywhere they've gone. us live, you ask us the erac. libya you haven't, you haven't syria, nasal i've had as nothing positive to offer to people of your i've never had, it has gotten no to do with these. and as i said, the some of the minutes,

the fathers that came in to one of our committees who was advocating that the, your team members, dates, spend more more money on weapons because of the big. but there was a is want to call and, and take over the place. and i said to him, i said, come, you said you are looking to promote the production a more and more of machines that killed, people are designed to kill people. i said you're making money from misery. i said you're promoted to bar because you can sell your stuff on this. the war. i said if i was making the ring cause i said i'm selling ring, cause i said to him, i, i wouldn't be able to sell enough, didn't ran. so as you can see, your merchandise on this, those wall are so heap, more war you make money off the misery of others. i don't, don't for guess of all the, there's hundreds of poses data and ukraine. edu couldn't give

a damn about them. and not only does but these are what contrast ukrainians have been. sacrifice for the west of geo political age says i'm, i'm a, i condemned the russian invasion. i disagree with war. i'm for peace. what the western rule has been terrible as well, her ripping, but they are most indeed the minutes. industrial complex. now we're feeding money to what we're spending billions and billions keeping this war and you'll pay going . we're spending billions and we're building up our defense capacity. and we're, we're enriching the military and doesn't companies for no good reason. the people of europe don't want us, they want the money spends on, on social infrastructure well and services. well, there are some critics of putting these at the nature of, invaded years before after the made and coo and the saved the lives of the people in east and ukraine, arguably. and now burrell is gone. it's going to be this kaya kyla, as well, many ones the breakup of russia. presumably one of the war aims since the may then

qu, in 2014. she was the estonian, the prime minister. she's going to be the foreign policy chief of way used to work . how, how is it going to change as either way, whether it'll change, depending on what's happening in november in the united states. as regards guys, because obviously it's easier a p and nations that are backing to they help the military weapons pouring into israel to, uh, for the genocide singleton. usually they are supporting and weapons even more than the americans in the ukraine. how do you expect it to change hands of november and often november this is in relation to guys. uh uh what our trunk. our house is in power. i don't see much difference um what our choice would be better on your trade. ready remains to be seen. if it does good, then obviously you 5050 as to what you can get say it was a guy that has been

a game changer for the people of your and i think the most a slipped and the european union, the had shared values with this with your opinion of who we got to do us and is with like minded partners of the same your opinion has not been able to cut them as well. they haven't been able to call out the general side for what it is we had bundle line and we had the part of the price of the minnesota go to tennessee. even morris had this ready to go do whatever to like as if nothing ever happened before. october 7th, to try to isolate october 7th and pretend that there was nothing about happening before the guys there was a but was in a bad place before october 7th. and the genocide have been going on since 19 for 2 years. and also that tie in the us and the your pains tolerated. so it wasn't a big shop that they tolerated that after october 7th. but we have seen this time,

we've seen as a mobile headphones. we have seen a genocide taking place before our eyes. and we have seen the europeans and the americans complicit in this genocide. so the, your opinion that cares about human rights and humanitarian law. well, all of a sudden the don't care about it all with the to it is that it is, it is. whereas the scribe, that's the european union of hypocrisy. we care about human rights when it suits us . all the very worried about the women in around because nobody can see it but enough by the government. but we have no problem with this with him in probably about 15000 women and, and johnson and even more children. that's okay. is that all that? well, we don't care what we're doing over here, but human rights, or do we, oh job we do, we care about human rights when it suits us and we don't care about what it doesn't

services. it has to be in our geo political interests before we show any interest in this. and this is really exposed to have published a of ought to your opinion stands parts of the people of your, of the people of your, of our shop are genuinely stops. d, u european countries and the americans have been totally complicit in the genocide against the palestinian people. we have never ever seen anything as brutal as this is rarely regime ever as we are still silent above us up and make wallace. thank you. no, but no sound is a low. the tip of the show of continued condolences to those very evaluate you as you um, genocide will be back for a brand new episode on saturday until then keep and that's why we're like social media. if it's so expensive, you know, country and that draw a channel going on the ground tv and rumbled up, come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrads. he's that

the, what the rest of the, i mean, the thought on. i mean, i was trying to meet you was how your ship was traveling since the mid august, a hair dresser, a bus driver, a sales person, anyone could become a victim. that's how private negotiators, faster pen looking for the best assist you with them and go to see we started this summer. okay. no, no, no. yes. that's the reason why you're going to be up by the name on that on those over those. i mean,

is you want to be feasible mid soon on somebody asked to be a study sports took over the summer. you make the news in the middle that there's a quiz to us in the luminous equipment the, what is part of the the employee would post good isn't the deepest view of us and building the word or is it something deeper, more complex might be present? there, let's stop without cases. let's go out of as the

israel turns up the heat on lebanon with strikes, killing nearly 300 people, and one day more than a 1000. and that's us use revenue, official save of the country has been met. the way it is today. the ron, of course, is behind the physical. we know that any country which the wrong gets involved, it becomes a failed state. lebanon is just such an excel file. israel's president insist that he doesn't want a war against lab and on all the presidents and he's rarely use are and holding back via cd in sure, there is no difference between has paula and level not the we think.