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don't it means that the name told me to be on the right name, but ultimately she asked me to make sure everything that would accept it unless you have all the rights to the news literally distributed. it isn't fatty because it will be very dangerous situation. i mean, this is the strategy i look into that situation. it is like putting 5, but i know the never know from on i, it could be, it could be of cardboard, was it could be anything. i mean, i think so that, i mean, it is not a wonderful a plan and then we have to be moved over to the profile. maybe it could be a finished program. give premiums, entry escalated the halls, let them use all the bath is, i mean, this is not us inclusion. then i always see that the fact that he believes here in the double standards of the best and will all be surprised me. it is a very surprising article to be honest i, i don't expect somebody to the following or find me sort of began with, right? so it's kind of offensive or because it is,
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it is like very much approval conducting color rather than talking about the piece, the but other than talking about distributions for the small. and he's in this article shows that how much deals standard discrimination is expensive. i mean, in bank of the standard is it of, of, of read so much financial benefits involving it for him. that is, that he wants to keep, you know, his importance allied in the, in the region. and i don't, i mean, if i look at this, i don't give very much impact is because the statement says about it. because in the statement i was not gonna benefit either you crying or a religion as well. now are to the comedies where you can get the details of all the stories are following this out. i'll see you again. that's, i'll be out by now the
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the i'm actually understands you're welcome back to going under guide will cost to go around the world in the u. a. i had to have 2 more as 1st day. well, the, the speech is at the un general assembly in new york. the same is global war fee is because of nato member escalation of weapons to fight russia, china and palestine through their ukraine, ty, one and these really proxies. i'll give you the magic of the geo political, economic suicide west and europe is this week, 2nd anniversary of the bombing of the north stream pipeline supplying energy to the strongest economy. germany. sy, hersh on this show revealed it was a bible harris terror attack. a rare and brave boist in the or p in bottom and
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under washington puppet us to live on the land. because we make wallace who, along with federal irish politician plan daily, has been a passionate voice for peace. always back in negotiation of a war equality over all the gawky. he joins me now from italy. meg, thanks so much for coming on going underground. i better just get to the 2nd the anniversary of what was perhaps the largest single man made me think, mission events in human history know that the green parties of your have seemed to be that worried about it. you being in the european parliament with us live on the land. is she part of the cover up as well? there was the you sold 0 advertise for the troops surrounding the destruction. a nice thing to advise on the day the, the, the do is get broke and there was actually a conference on meet and emissions in new york and part of most. and i was actually
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asked to speak as it by the green party because i was on the environment committee as well. and i actually spoke about the issue. i have a degree and i just want to just try to make as old as the russians again. and about 24 hours later, the part of the law because it became very clear, quickly that uh, the russians weren't called the stride of their own pipelines as the ones of the gas to stop going to germany. they could turn off the top on their end. and despite the fact that this was the largest release of meat and in the, on the history of the words. and despite the fact that this was a huge episode of environmental destruction, the green parties across europe did not have anything to say of buses and is fixed by just about what they really it represents. but they couldn't actually even
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criticize the west of empowers who it was pretty obvious just who organized the whole kinds of those were still not certain, but we're pretty sure does. uh, it was the americans were up to the opposite our teachers and to decide that bundle line didn't month to no buses. none of the information wants to know about under your pin a member. so any p is didn't month to know about it and it was really a symbol of the place that the e u, as in today that they showed no advertise foreigners. and the fact that they will pair to sing go uh is scary. i mean, uh, shortly before does, yeah, had the german german chancellor shows, uh, he was in america and washington went by and bite him nicely. tough.
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open the above decides that the americans could do could a tours the pipeline and whatever the lights. uh, and it shows never even blinked and it was done beside a crazy and i mean, there's been a crash in living standards since the, all those european bottom entry members in the bottom of the and, and the member states themselves have continued to pull money into key of more than one and 5 living in poverty in the 95000000 people. how is it beginning to capitalize a different political formations? we've seen the rise of all of medicine, minute show, and us are why can connect in germany as well as naturalist anti globalization policies that are assumed to be right wing this and the nationalist? how is it affecting western european politics as well?
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that's, that's hard to produce exactly. well with less than putting says, going at the moment. i mean, we didn't have, despite the fact that those huge are these with how to use walking is pretty obvious that the use of the ends of a leads and big industry rather themselves. the ends, us of the, all the people. but yet at the same time you have went over 90. ready percent of the enemy? peas, electors represent the rice, we deal pines, and that's scary. so you kind of want to use up well, how does democracy really work if the people actually don't like war? if the people like peace and yes, the parliament is full of people who likes war. i mean, uh, how did they get elected? what's happening to where's, where's that, where's, where's the democracy going to, to be told that there's a huge disillusionment with the system over half the people don't,
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boy and immensely media play a large role in deciding who was the light is big money. there's a large role in how is that like this? so the, to be told our apartments do not represent the public, the don't the, don't represent the people of europe. well, and a very good example of, gosh, i was in the, in, in 2022 traded street as you know, those of your credit resolutions every month in strasburg, into your pain parliament and myself and care daily. twice we put in an amendment to do you agree in resolution and our amendments called while the parliament were jumping up and down, they couldn't, they couldn't give enough money to keep the bar go on. our resolution called on to you to maximizes potential to bring about dialogue, diplomacy with a view to ending the war under stablish in peace dealers,
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over 80 percent of the m. a p's voted against us on each occasion. and yet at the same time, all the opinion pause at that time, we're showing the widow over 80 percent of the people wanted peace enough war. so we have the people over 80 percent of the people once a piece, a over 80 percent of the politicians were prepared to support the bar mongering and support to manage the industrial complex that were making a fortune from the war. so we know huge differences in democracy in the u, and that has been really outlined clearly, not just by the war new play, but also obviously in gaza. i mean, you south amongst these people, british politicians are accused of being direct to us. security assets, a storm or in britain next year. i've said next year i'm going to be see program a try that will commission member allow me a at school fees paid by israel, low b a. so what was your perception in the parliament all over the slave mission is to
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see i a priority is to factor, was it like you're sitting there with them? they obviously believe in what they're saying, no matter how much remunerative potential is the decision to send hundreds of thousands of ukrainian into a meat grinder. maybe i'm, i'm not so sure that they all believe what they're saying. and i love the land and bureau. do they believe it? it was obviously a bundle line that has been notorious and bundle line is generally an i us, us, as she has shown what a 100 percent support for us and power for us imperialism a she as behaves like a talk to serve of, of us and power and sadly, she has managed to bring most of the european union river road has been
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a bit mixed by. it hasn't been as black and white as har on the issue. he has, for example, he's been target on your plan. it hasn't been quite as bad on guys that he hasn't been good enough. but because he comes from spain and he comes from the social democrats in, in spain. they're not, they're not leslie by any means, but not as raising as many others. and brand has been under pressure, i'd say, from people in spain and from a distance, even in spain, to be a little bit more rational about what's going on. and guys, a den bundle line has the i want to get one of the guys, obviously the me least and the realize meaning the you a, sorry to interrupt that but or else he'll obviously simple is with passive, a sending of honest with the ukraine proxy weren't actually going to have, i'm not to from the i thought i thought you were going to be with him when he retired. he's out going anyway, now there, but what about island way your from
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a michelle. oh, i don't know when the shooting feign is who run the the northern part of what scene is a bridge occupied northern ireland and they beat on this. jo married it with dollars being on this. yeah. they seem quite nice. a few years ago, going underground people can look at it, probably be in band those videos. island, i know you forth against the island being a proxy for us some torture flights. and she had an apple. but what's happened to that country? visa be ukraine? yeah, what was the got to euclid a the positions right across the board and all the parties have not been good on your claim. they have, they have refused to call it those as a proxy war is clear to all that this is the u. s. national proxy war that the west, we're happy to see happen. they have done nothing. they didn't nothing to stop the war stock and in the 1st place and the nothing to stop insensitive starters.
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they've done nothing to establish peace and sadly in ireland, our politicians, i've done nothing about it either. i mean, probably the one standard politician in ireland who was actually talk some sense about what's going on and you know, pray and has been our president making the higgins and my to do. he goes, has been very impressive, but to actually relate to the members in the parliament. i've been very disappointed. and what are the main reasons for that? is that they're scared of the media. most politicians are scared of the mainstream media. i myself into their day, they were written off a few composites because we want to piece we want to piece, so we'll call the root of beauty puppets. i mean, the worst, it was totally irrational, but people buzz and you know, people actually talk, oh my god, they're taking sides of the war and the, the, the, with the russians, the enough with uh, with us, with your credit is in your pains,
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the to be told it was our ripping. how much do your opinion? there's nothing to stop this war starting. and i have stopped in bo, or i was out of the committee in the or being part of where the natal bus young start above came in. and he goes to a boat provoking the war. he boasted about the fights that 3 months before the war broke out was that the russians had been in contact with them and they had made down their red lines and said, that's a fight that they wanted less nasal. the ones that it wasn't your craven state notes are the ones that obviously you mentioned, raymond put into place, but they wanted to miss sides in eastern european countries that were in that rochelle removed. and they said that this was their condition for an us invading ukraine. and he laughed, i bought a pipe, the put of course we were never going to agree to that. and he says why we should
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have gotten the wanted less natural to get more of us. and he was proud of that and he boasted then about to fight the ministry spending in 2023 in europe, increased by 8 percent. merits are spending a lot, a waste of money when we have a housing prices, people kind of guess popular healthcare, we've clips in education. a social infrastructure is been huge. and that's and sadly, island has ruled in with the, the us and it help proxy war in your credit. we haven't given the minds because we don't make them because we have support for them. are in line with what bundle line wants is make was i'll stop you. the more from the irish politician involved a member of the army and vitamins after this break the
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welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the irish politician is just remembered. you are being bottom and mc wallace mc. uh you were talking in pop one about the nato boss, stall who bugs loft as ukraine was using this proxy war. you mentioned that daily who is also being on this program. another irish i may be from who is in the european parliament, but you, you said that some of them didn't believe in the proxy war, but nevertheless voted through all the american uh, secret state to agendas. is it that or is it the oh is it all the things as well? uh that uh, forced these. i mean these to vote no with that conferences but with their uh well
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with washington. i mean, um you said the lead yeah. okay. the media does play a big role. um, now we also know does um, you know, there's a huge loving industry and buses. uh, it probably is hard to shopping to some people that many learning they've changed. hun, sometimes 2 and a there was a, an episode of does a immunizations, a good time. i was, i mean, that was only the tip of the iceberg. and we don't really know for sure what's going account condo, and it said we had the you a big influence with some of the auditors said the accounts aren't audited for the urban commission. a, yeah, this is, i mean, the workings of the lives these a lot to be desired in many ways. but just, just to go back to the pines of us. why are so many of the elected members
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prepared to be puppets to us and says, well, i mean, do you know there's just over 700? i mean the peas and your being part of, there's over 60000 lobbyist in brussels, over 60000. there's over 12000 registers, comp registered lobbying companies over 12000 companies with an average of about 5 people walking in them. that gives us over 60000 not used for overseas, for just over 700 and the peace. what did these love us do? well, page them, how did they make it live? it appeared another factor, but the work and influencing to politicians, and upon events under and the commissioners, and the commission, and the guys into kind of. so if they want to fight to the adobe and we get paid, would it be so many of them people need to look at that lobbying. there's like a concert. so any notion of democracy that we have, and this does also play
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a role in the decision making of the m e p is when they go to boss. but i would, but i did say that not all of them agreed with how to 140 a number of m a p is contacted by secretary daily around some votes. i understood that paid. yeah. we'd love to have the courage to do which is do we actually agree with you, but we can go to that space or we would be demonized at home by the media. yeah, people might laugh at being accused of being a puts in pop it. i understand that you actually did, you were involved in some of the collection of have for defamation as regards the that's, i mean now everyone is approved. you know, i mean tucker carlson. donald trump is approved and apologised infamously, um, what about that campaign? and i like it, and that's part of say they kind of even be a free media or in your because it goes all, it is bad. now it's bad in the united states, even byron thing, where it has
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a 1st amendment as well this. you have all of those agencies like to the national government for democracy, which is one by the funded by the americans. they boast about investing in independent media in the old countries around europe. so hard to don't split the money. who gets has independent media? what's independent media is independent media. uh someone does spouts out of the us line is, is the independent media, our data people, debt protects us interest or the people that are the people that tells the truth of us we the happen don't think so. you don't really get paid uh, but the side for by anyone pretending to suitable was really going on when you get a good chance of getting some investment. and so farm or other provided you were told the line and keep it on the right side of things. i mean, you think they're pretty proud then in washington. i mean you've spoken parliament
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about the legacy of the ca over ation operation. i'm glad you. we actually did a show about this recently going underground show you spoke in the are being problem and with respect to cube are obviously now the you is talking about venezuela. i will return, i will go to palestine in a minute. but how's that be? and since post 45 and he was 6, as expected, when you in the are being problem with the child ground for american interest to dominate a b leads in your so that there was no representatives of a few represent representatives o u n. can take me into european parliament, really talking about the poor in the under classes as opposed to the lead interest of western europe as the dimensions of had used in size and a huge influence in europe. in particular, since the end of the 2nd world war means the 2nd law, it ends in 45 and 49 us visual. and that was funds not as a,
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as a deterrent our as a fence alliance against a possible. and so between these function, nato was funded by the americans to keep your opinions in check in order so that the europeans wouldn't be going off and doing things on their own boss without america's blessing. so really what nato was doing, the americans were putting the old opinions into our pockets by establishing nasal and nasal. you mentioned operation, claudio, which and i'll be reading it to me. the book with i am on the food was, i mean i actually came up in new york times in 1990 and there was a resolution board to calling for an investigation into the workings of nasal in operation flavio in easley. and we, we know that nasal worked with a map yet. i'm with nazis in italy in order to undermine left wing moments. and yes, nato was present. it was as if it was, this was something a, some, a positive,
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a organization of some sort. we have to you under the guidance of bundled line, getting closer and closer to nato, to a point where it's starting to look like visual or actually making some of the decisions and your opinion at the moment. and that is absolutely scary. nasal is are like a tired or southern association. they have, they have to trade a lot of destruction behind the ever heard of gone. you this live, you ask us the erac. lydia. yeah, you haven't, syria, nasal. i've had as nothing positive to offer to people of your, of i've never had, it has gotten no to do with these. and as i said, the some of the minutes, the fathers came into one of our committees who was advocating that the, your team members, de, it's spend more more money on weapons because of the big. but there was
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a it one of the colon and take over the place. and i said to him, i said to me, i said, you're looking to promote the production a more and more of machines that killed people are designed to kill people. i said you're making money from visually. i said you're promoted to bar because you can sell your stuff unless there's war. i said if i was making a ring cause i said, i'm selling ring cards. i said to him, i, i wouldn't be able to sell enough, didn't ran. so as you can see, your merchandise, unless those was so you need more war, you make money off the misery of others. i don't don't for guess of all the, there's hundreds of poses data and you create and the you could, you give a damn about them and not only does, but these are what contrast ukrainians had been. sacrifice for the west of geo political advisors and i'm a,
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i condemned the russian invasion. i disagree with war. i'm for peace. but the western rule has been terrible as well. her ripping, but they are most indeed the minutes industrial complex. now we're feeding money to what we're spending billions of been, is keeping this war and you'll pay going. we're spending billions, and we're building up our defense capacity. and we're, we're enriching division doesn't complex for no good reason. the people have you worked on task. they want the money spends on, on social infrastructure well and services. well, there are some critics of putting these at that age and have invaded years before up to the made and coo and the saved the lives of the people in eastern ukraine, arguably. and now burrell is gone, it's going to be this guy, a callous woman who wants to break up all russia. presumably one of the war aims since the may then qu, in 24 team. she was the estonian, the prime minister. she's gonna be the foreign policy chief of way used to work.
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how, how is it going to change as either way, whether it'll change, depending on what's happening in november in the united states. as regards guys, because obviously it's these europe and nations that are backing to they held the military weapons pouring into israel to the genocide, single chain. usually they are supporting and weapons even more than the americans into ukraine. how do you expect it to change? heads of november and often november, this is in relation to guys. uh uh what our trunk. our house is in power. i don't see much difference um um, but our truck would be better and ukraine remains to be seen. if it does get in. obviously you 5050 as to what you can get say. it was a guy that has been a game changer for the people of your and i think the most a slipped and the european union. the had shared values with is your opinion of who we got of the us and is
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a like minded partners. the same, your opinion has not been able to cut them as well. they haven't been able to call out the general side for what it is. we had bundle line and we had the part of the price of the minnesota go to tennessee. even morris had this ready to go do whatever to like as if nothing ever happened before october 7th, to try to isolate october 7th and pretend that there was nothing about happening before the guys there was a but was in a bad place before october 7th. and the genocide have been going on since 19 for 2 years and also that tie into us and your opinions tolerate. so it wasn't a big shop that they tolerated that after october 7th. but we have seen this time. we've seen this on our mobile headphones. we have seen a genocide taking place before our eyes and we have seen the europeans and the
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americans complicit in this genocide. so the, your opinions, the cares about human rights and humanitarian law. what all of a sudden the don't care about it all with the to it is that it is, is, it was described as the european union of hypocrisy. we care about human rights when it suits us. although are very worried about the women in around because nobody can see it but enough by the government. but we have no problem with is with him in a probably about 15000 women and, and johnson and even more children. that's okay, is a as i i'll what we don't care about we're doing ojo, but human rights or do we? oh, don't we do? we care about human rights when it suits us, and we don't care about it when it doesn't services. it has to be in our geo political insight before we show any interest in this. and this is really exposed to have published a about the european union scans, parts of the people of europe,
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the people of your, of our shop. genuinely shops that d u. european countries. on the emergence, i've been totally complicit in a genocide against the powder sidney people. we have never, ever seen anything as brutal as this is really regime ever as we are still silent above us, i make wallace. thank you. no, but no sound the low. the tip of the show of continued condolences to those very evaluate you as you genocide will be back for brand new episode on saturday until then keep and that's why we're like social media. if it's so expensive, we'll country that, draw a channel going on the ground tv and rumbled up, come to watch new and old episodes of going on the 22nd. the, the,
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the test full off launches, stripes on multiple targets, across these roles. from these ready a forward you through to the specialist of what defense situation and respond it all comes as usual, tons of the feet on 11 on with strikes, killing 492 people and wounding more than $1600.00. pilot randa q. these are all of the us of carrying out the criminal acts 11 on these are tries to shift the blame on to, to rod the wrong, the closest behind. we know that a country which the wrong gets involved in the, comes of failed states. lebanon is just such an example for the us is sending additional mandatory personnel to the mid least in light of the claims terms.

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