friends defied russia, china and palestine through their ukraine, tie one and is writing the proxies. i'll give you the magic of the geo political, economic suicide west and europe is this week, 2nd anniversary of the bombing of the north stream pipeline supplying energy to the strongest economy. germany. sy, hersh on this show revealed it was a bible harris terror attack. a rare and brave boist in the europe and bottom and under washington, pop into us and live on the land. as we make wallace, who along with fellow irish politician plan daily, has been a passionate voice for peace, always backing negotiation of a war and quality of an oligarchy. he joins me now from italy. meg, thanks so much for coming on going underground. i've been to just get to the 2nd the anniversary of what was perhaps the largest single man made meeting mission events in human history. no. the, the green parties of europe seem to be that worried about it. you being in the european parliament with us live on the land of she part of the cover up

well there was the you sold 0 advertise for the troops surrounding the destruction of nursing. to advise on the day that the dues kit broke, there was actually a conference on meet and emissions in new york and part of most. and i was actually asked to speak as it by the degree body. because i was on the environment committee as well. and i actually spoke about the issue, i have a degree and i just want to just try to make i was or is the russians again to about 24 hours later the law because it became very clear quickly that uh the russians weren't called the stride of their own pipeline, i still wanted the gas to stop going to germany. they could turn off the top on

their end. and despite the fact that this was the largest release of meat and in the, on the history, the words. and despite the fact that this was a huge episode of environmental destruction, the green parties across europe did not have anything to say to buses and is big by just about what day really it represents. but they couldn't actually add even criticize the western powers, who it was pretty obvious just who organized the whole kinds of those were sent. not 2nd, but we're pretty sure does. uh, it was the americans were up to the opposite or teasing us and to fight that bundle. and i didn't want to know about. there's no the commission want to know about under your pin a members of any p is didn't month to know about it. and it was really a symbol of the place that the e u,

as in today that they showed no advertise foreigners. and the fact that they will pair to sing go uh, is scary. i mean, uh, shortly before does, you had to jump to german chancellor shows, uh he was in america and washington went by and bite him nicely talked openly about decides that the americans could do goods. uh those the pipeline. uh, in way whatever. like uh and uh, it shows never even blinked and it was done besides the busy. and i mean, there's been a crash and living standards since the, all those european parliamentary members in the bottom of the and, and the member states themselves have continued to pull money into kia, have more than one and 5 living in poverty in the 95000000 people,

how is it beginning to capitalize the different political formations? we've seen, the rise of all of management of show and us are why can connect in germany as well as naturalist anti globalization policies that are assumed to be right wing this and the nationalist? how is it affecting western european politics? well, that's, that's hard to believe exactly where west and politics is going at the moment. i mean, we didn't have, despite the fact that a huge all these with how to easier was walking is pretty obvious that the use of the interests of a leads and big industry rather themselves. the ends of the are the people. but yet the same time you have what over 90 percent of the emmy peas electra is represents the rice being viewed pines. and that's scary. so you kind of wonder yourself, well, how does democracy be the work?

if the people actually don't like war is to people like peace and yet the parliament is full of people who likes war. i mean, uh, how did they get elected? what's happening? oh, where's, where's that, where's where so democracy going to, to be told that there's a huge disillusionment with the system over half the people don't vote and the mainstream media play a large role in deciding who was the light is big money. there's a large role in how is that like this. so that should be told. our apartments do not represent the publish the don't the don't represent the people of europe well. and a very good example of dash was in the, in, in 202223 as you know, those of ukraine resolutions every month in strasburg, and your pain parliament and myself and care daily. twice we put in an amendment to

do you agree in resolution and our amendments called, while the parliamentary jumping up and down, they couldn't, they couldn't give enough money to keep the bar go on. our resolution called on to you to maximizes potential to bring about dialogue, diplomacy with a view to ending the war under stablish in peace dealers, over 80 percent of the m. a p's voted against us on each occasion. and yet at the same time, all the opinion pause at that time, we're showing the widow over 80 percent of the people wanted peace enough war. so we have the people over 80 percent of the people once a piece, a over 80 percent of the politicians were prepared to support the bar mongering and support the minutes the industrial complex that were making a fortune from the war. so we know huge differences in democracy in the u, and that has been really outlined clearly, not just by the water new play,

but also obviously in gaza. yusef, amongst these people, british politicians are accused of being direct us security assets, a storm or in britain next year. i've sat next to him on a b c program. i try latrell commission member, allow me a at school fees paid by israel low be a. so what was your perception in the parliament all over the slave mission is to see i a priority is to factor. well, it's like like you're sitting there with them. they obviously believe in what they're saying, no matter how much you remunerative potential, just the decision to send hundreds of thousands of ukrainian into a meat grinder. maybe i'm, i'm not so sure that they all believe what they're saying. and i love this of on the land and bureau, do they believe it? it was obviously a bundle line that has been notorious and bundle line is generally an i us, us,

as she has shown what a 100 percent support for us and power for us imperialism a she as behaves like a talk to the servants of us empower and sadly, she has managed to bring most of the european union river road. i've been a bit mixed by. it hasn't been as black and white as har on the issue. he has, for example, he's been target on your cranes. it hasn't been quite as bad on guys that he hasn't been good enough. but because it comes from spain and he comes from the social democrats of, uh, in, in spain. they're not, they're not leveling by any means, but not as lively as many others. and brand has been under pressure, i'd say, from people in spain and from a distance, even in spain, to be a little bit more rational about what's going on. and guys,

a den bundle line has the i want to get one of the guys, obviously the me least and the realize meaning the you a, sorry to interrupt that or else he'll obviously simple is a massive, a sending of honest with the ukraine proxy weren't actually i'm not to from the i thought i thought you were going to be with him when he retired is he's out going anyway now there, but what about island way your from a michelle. oh. i don't know when the shooting feign is who run the the northern part of what scene is the bridge occupied, northern ireland and they beat on this. jo married it with dollars being on this year. they seemed quite nice. a few years ago, going underground people can look at it, probably be in band those videos. island, i know you forth against the island being a proxy for us some georgia flights and she had an apple. but what's happened to that country? visa v. ukraine. yeah. what was, was the got to your claim um the positions right across the board and all the

parties have not been good on your claim. they have, they have refused to call those as a proxy. war is clear to all that. this is a us native or proxy war that the west we're happy to see happened. they had done nothing. they didn't nothing to stop the war. stop and then the 1st place and the nothing to stop insensitive starters. they've done nothing to establish peace and sadly in ireland, our politicians, i've done nothing about it as either. i mean, the, probably the one standard politician in ireland who's actually talk some sense about what's going on in your play and has been our president making the higgins and mike today. he goes, has been very impressive. but the actual related members in the parliament had been very disappointing. and uh, what are the main reasons for that? is that they're scared of the media. most politicians are scared of the mainstream

media. i myself into their day, they were written off as cute and puppets because we want to piece we want to piece so because we're a beautiful puppets. i mean, the worst, it was totally irrational. but people buzz and, you know, people actually talk, oh my god. they're taking sides in the. busy are and the, the, the, with the russians, the enough with uh, with us, with the credits and your pains, the to be told it was our risk. think, how much do your opinion, there's nothing to stop this war starting. and i have thought about, i was at a committee in new york being part of the natal bus and start above came in, and he goes to a boat provoking the war. he boasted about the sites that 3 months before the war broke out was that the russians had been in contact with them and they had laid down their red lines and said, that's a fight that the wants of less nasal,

the ones that it wasn't your craving stayed notes are the ones that obviously you mentioned, raymond put into place, but, and they wanted to miss sides in eastern european countries that were in that rochelle removed. and they said that this was their condition for an us invade and ukraine. and he laughed. i bought a pipe, the put of course we were never going to agree to that. and he says, my wish i've got now when i wanted less natural to get more of those. and he was proud of that. and he boasted then about to side to ministry spending in 2023 in europe. increased by a percent, minutes are spending what a waste of money when we have a housing prices, people kind of guess proper health care. we've clips in education. a social infrastructure is been huge and that's and sadly, island has ruled in with the, the do us need help proxy war in your prayer. we haven't given the minds because we

don't make them because we have support for them. and in line with what's on the line once this link was, i'll stop you. the more from the irish politician involved a member of the are being vitamins after this break, the lease of the russian states. never as tired as i'm one of the most sense community best. most all sense and up the in the 65 to 5 and speed you. what else? suppose question about this. even though we will ben in the european union, the kremlin, the machine, the state on russia's coding and split the r t smooth neck. even our video agency,

roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say steven twist, which is the one you ended up to attempt to collect at the fixed amount apache sat there for the show event. it will be a job to look for the cause of it is uh, excuse us, for the defense of the separately the setup button. and not to mention that that's a month 50 lives. you'd ask that if i said the media and not be focused on the 2 reasons, could you say, would you say the beginning of february tempe,

so generally presented. it was working monday morning, working doc stimulus. the industry is little less money. the final says really left, so should william farmer shots, monuments who we have good guy started or, or decision they might now maybe what was that man was the ones that ridiculous and the best one today and but you know, so that's what it is that you want to set i'm sure those are pretty sure can was i'm patient did it for she's getting those up as to what i mean. there's a corporate chef the the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the irish politician is just remembered. you are being bottom and make wallace mc uh you were talking in pop. one about the nato boss stole grew bugs loft as ukraine was using this proxy war. you mentioned that daily was also being on this program, another irish,

it may be from who is in the european parliament. but you, you said that some of them didn't believe in the proxy war, but nevertheless voted through all the american uh, secret state to agendas. is it that or is it the oh is it other things as well that forced these that me peas to vote no with that conferences but with their uh well with washington. i mean, and you said the media. okay. the media does play a big role. um, now we also know does um, you know, there's a huge loving industry and buses. uh, it probably is hard to shop into some people that many money may have changed hun, sometimes too. and uh, there was a, an episode of does uh, immunizations,

a good time. i was, i mean, that was only the tip of the iceberg. and we don't really know for sure what's going account sound audited. we had the big influence was from the auditory said the accounts under orders for the urban commission. yeah. because i mean, the workings of the you live these a lot to be desired in many ways. but just, just to go back to the find a buzz, a why are so many of the elected members a prepared to be puppets, to us interest? what i mean, do you know there's just over 700? i mean the peas and your being part of. and there's over 60000 lobbyist in brussels over 60000. there's over 12000 registers, comp registered lobby companies, over 12000 companies with an average of about 5 people walking in. and that gives us over 60000. not used for overs for just over 700 and the piece. what's are these

lovely is do? who pays them? how did they make it live? if they don't know her back to about the walk and influencing to politicians and the parliament under and the commissioners and the commission and the guys in the counsel, if they want to fight to the adobe and where they get paid, would it be so many of them, people need to look at that lobby and there's like a concert to any notion of democracy that we have. and this does also play a role in the decision making of the m e p is when they go to both. but i went by, i did say that not all of them agreed with how different 40 a number of m e. p is contacted by stuff intel daily, around suck balls. and they said, they're paid yet. we'd love to have the courage to do which is do we actually agree with you, but we can go to that space or we would be demonized at home by the media. yeah,

people might laugh at being accused of being and puts in pop it. i understand that you actually did, you were involved in some of the collection of have for defamation as regards the that, i mean now everyone is approved. you know, i mean tucker carlson. donald trump is approved and apologised, infamously, what about that campaign? and then they, and that's part of say, they kind of even be a free media or in your because it goes all, it is bad. now it's bad in the united states, even a byron thing where it has a 1st amendment, a listen, you have all of this is like the national government for democracy, which is one by the funded by the americans. they boast about investing in independent media in all countries around europe. so hard to don't put the money and who gets as independent media, what's independent media is independent media as someone does a spouts out of the us line is, is the independent media, our data people,

debt protects us interest or the people that are the people that has the truth was really happened? i don't think so. you don't really get paid by the side for by anyone pretending to suitable was really going on. would you get a good chance of guessing some investment in some form or other provided you were told the line and keeping on the right side of things. i mean, you think they're pretty proud then in washington. i mean, you've spoken parliament about the legacy of the c i a operation operation. i'm glad you we actually did to show about this recently going underground show you spoke in the are being problem and with respect to cube are obviously now the you is talking about venezuela. i will return, i will go to palestine in a minute. but how does that be? and since post 45, and it was as expected when you into your being problem with the child ground for american interest to dominate

a b leads in your so that there was no representatives over a few represent representatives or you and can take me into european parliament really talking about the poor and the under classes as opposed to the lead interest of western europe as the dimensions of had a use in size and a huge influence in europe. in particular sense, the end of the 2nd world war means the 2nd lot of war ended in 45 and 49 us visual. a naval was funds not as a, as a deterrent or is offense alliance against a possible. and so between the expansion nato was funded by the americans to keep your opinions in check in order so that the europeans wouldn't be going off and doing things on their own boss without america's blessing. so really what nato was doing, the americans were putting the order pains into our pockets by establishing nasal and nasal. you mentioned operation, claudio,

which and i'll be reading it to me that the book with i am on the, the food was i need to have extra come up into your being part of the 1990. and there was a resolution board to calling for an investigation into the workings of natural in operation claudio in easley. and we, we know that natal worked with a map yet. i'm with nazis in italy in order to undermine left wing moments. and yes, nato was present, it was as if it were, this was something a, some, a positive, a organization of some sort. we have to you under the guidance of bundled line getting closer and closer to me at all to a point where it's starting to look like visual or actually making some of the decisions into your opinion at the moment. and that is absolutely scary. nato is the are like a tired or southern association. they have left a tray, the blood of destruction behind the ever heard of gone. you just live,

you ask us the erac. libya. yeah, you haven't, syria, nasal, i've had as nothing positive to offer to people of your, of, i've never had, it has gotten no to do with these. and as i said, the some of the minutes we fathers, like you, me the one of our committees who was advocating that the, your team members say it's spend more more money on weapons because of the big. but there was a, it want to call in and take over the place. and i said to him, i said, honey, i said you're looking to promote the production a more and more of machines that killed people are designed to kill people. i said, you're making money from misery. i said, you know, promote to bar because you can sell your stuff on this. the war. i said if i was making the ring cause i said i'm selling ring, cause i said to him, i,

i wouldn't be able to sell enough good ram source, as you can see your merchandise, unless those was so you need more war, you make money off the misery of others. i don't don't for guess of all the, there's hundreds of poses data in ukraine. edu. could you give a damn about them? and not only does, but these are what contrast ukrainians have been. sacrifice for the west of geo political websites, and i'm uh, i condemned the russian invasion. i disagree with war. i'm for peace. but the western rule has been terrible as well. her ripping and they are the most indeed the minutes industrial complex. now we're feeding money to what we're spending billions and billions keeping this war and your pray go. we're spending billions and we're building up our defense capacity and we're, we're enriching division doesn't complex for no good reason. the people have you worked on task. they want the money spends on,

on social infrastructure well and services. well, there are some critics of putting these at the nature of, invaded years before after the may then cool in the save the lives of the people in eastern ukraine, arguably. and now burrell is gone. it's going to be this kaya carlos woman who wants to break up on russia. presumably one of the war aims since the may then qu, in 2014. she was the estonian, the prime minister. she's going to be the foreign policy chief of way used to work . how, how is it going to change as either way, whether it'll change, depending on what's happening in november in the united states. as regards guys, because obviously it's easier a p and nations that are backing to they help the military weapons pouring into israel to, uh, for the genocide singleton. usually they are supporting and weapons even more than the americans into ukraine. how do you expect it to change hands of november and often november this is in relation to guys. uh uh

what our trunk. our house is in power. i don't see much difference. um, a virtual would be better on your plan remains to be seen if it goes to then obviously you 5050 as to what you can get say it was a guy that has been a game changer for the people of your and i think the most a slipped and the european union had shared values with is your opinion of who we got to do us and is with the like, my did partners are the same. your opinion has not been able to cut them as well. they haven't been able to call out the general side for what it is. we had bundle line and we had the part and then the price of the minnesota go to tend to be even more of his head is ready to go do whatever to like as if nothing ever happened before october 7th, to try to isolate october 7th and pretend that there was nothing about happening

before the guys it was a but was in a bad place before october 7th. and the genocide have been going on since 19 for 2 years. and also that tie in the us and the your pains tolerated. so it wasn't a big shop that had tolerated that after october 7th. but we have seen this time, we've seen as a mobile headphones. we have seen a genocide taking place before our eyes. and we have seen the europeans and the americans complicit in this genocide. so the european union that cares about human rights and humanitarian law. well, all of a sudden the don't care about adult with a to it is that it is, is as well as the scribe. that's the european union of hypocrisy. we care about human rights when it suits us, all the very worried about the women in around because nobody can see it but enough by the government. but we have no problem with this with him in probably about

15000 women and, and johnson and even more children. that's okay. is a, as i, i'll what we don't care what we're doing over here, but human rights or do we owe it? still, we do, we care about human rights when it suits us, and we don't care about it when it doesn't services. it has to be in our geo political interests before we show any interest interest. and this is really exposed to have published a about the your being union stands parts of the people of your, of the people of your, of our shop. genuinely shops that you, you, your thing, countries on the margins. i've been totally complicit in genocide against the palestinian people. we have never ever seen anything as brutal as this is really regime ever as we are still silent above us, i'll make well as thank you. no, by the next on the low. that's the show of continued condolences to those very

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