[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to the prospect boulevards where all things are considered on people about soon ukraine's former president zelinski will reveal his so called victory plan to jo, buying. what possibly could be new also can be, is real, succeed in defeating its enemies with i tech who discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess door to send me while we and booted betsy's a broadcast where the god both which could be found on youtube in locals, and here in moscow we have dmitri bob beach. he is deputy for an editor of comfortable sky, a problem, the daily or a gentling cross type rows of the best. that means can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, take it out. let's go to georgia in budapest. um yeah, it's been talked about quite

a bit over the last few weeks. this victory plan is the former president of ukraine . zelinski is calling it, and there's been some dribs and drabs about what it could possibly mean before we go into some of the possible points of it here. why now, george? well, the, by the ministration is heading out the door. so if one thinks about what, what's, you know, in sales, in the victory plan that we've basically got been to get, we'll go tens of it through a variety of, uh, news reports. it's a wish list. well, the things as the landscape would like from the united states and from the west in general. now, he may be figuring, and i think it's not an unreasonable estimate. this is the, by the ministration is out going out of the door, then it's willing to impose all sorts of problems on the success of

a bite and is obviously very unhappy about departing from the scene. he didn't want to though, do you want it to be president lex. yeah. but since he's not good to be a president, he may well decide hey, gives the landscape whatever he wants. and that's going to be a headache for whoever the succeeds me. so designs he may be calculating that this is probably the right time to just present a laundry list of uh, wishes. and the americans will say, hey, what, you know, what the hell it's, it's going to be, we're not going to be here for much longer. it's going to be a headache for whoever comes next or an alternative variance, and this victory plan is supposed to fail. and of course, other events, solid grounds, your team a, let's go through. some of the things that been embed has been, have been, have been bandied about. okay. that's been reported by various sources. a part of the plan is to allow unrestricted long range missile strikes into russia. next point to invite ukraine in the borders of 1999 and 91, to join nato, at

a nearby data. whatever that means to me immediately negotiate and accept the ukraine's membership in the european union. okay. more fantasy to permanently supply heavy. it'd be the advanced heavy weapons ukraine. that's been on the agenda now for the last few weeks. and to provide that 100 its billions of toddlers for reconstruction, without any restrictions attached to it. i tend to think the last part is the one they're hoping for more than anything else be megan, this is all kinds of fantasy stuff. and is we of all 3 of talked about in the past? remember we have the the zalinski peace plan. so the big creek line is to implement the piece point. that's what it looks like to be. this is the chain of events, fema. oh, well that's good to know. so you got a oh, a french daily newspaper. uh, basically ukraine is losing all the girl because uh, clunk rate or the expectation. so it was the mc mc slick rush. i didn't thought the boy,

the forces are making progress and don't boss to the rest of the region. of course, you know, a 30 by the ukrainian forces. so that in person, these becoming the more a problem for the ukrainian not yet. uh, since russia is not stopping the it said, mom said don't boss and don't boss is the main best altogether. so in terms of uh, timing. uh, i think uh, based drake, i agree with the most the got roll. it makes sense to kind of, uh, uh, southern the, uh, maybe not the permanent piece, but at least the ceasefire right now. was it the scheme of the, to save himself uh, from my toll to defeat. uh, but uh, you know, there are certain fact. so there are certain, since we'd show them what you said about the old plane dish proposals, we may see you know this weeks because according to the way district, what's the, the sofa,

the sun is going to be the diabetes in november. probably right off to these action . and basically let's look at history. is usually it was the apt over at presidents, can you or in office or the term that the, the so that president gets very aggressive about presidents, we get this, remember, okay. uh, bill clinton, the it was friends morrison the beginning. it was the oldest a lot more. you there. uh, george bush, the junior gauge was drama and i looked into his eyes in the beginning. it was the invitation of your grand a georgia tomato into 1000 with a bomb. it was even more just the way it resets in the beginning. uh and the base to place that warranty upgrade which started up in 2014, under obama. uh, are you there? yes. yes. so uh with by then he started with the junior son. and i'm, uh, i'm just terrified to see what would be them use. oh,

if you step. so what's really the game and what you're saying here, and i'll throw it back to george here is that there's no real change of thinking in washington in london. so they're going to continue this. i think you do all solve a recent interview with victoria new and when the questionnaire. and the question was about the assemble process a few weeks into the complex. and we don't have to go over what she said. you just have to look how she said that she was. so it's moke. i mean, yeah, you know, it's, it's broken and we all have to fix it. they, there's no choice. you have to work on this path and we have to continue with. that's what makes is very, very depressing. what is a wednesday as and his plan is in a material to me, george the i agree with the use of because i think of it. but it's, it's very important to differentiate what's zalinski and key of ones. and what the united states and nato one, the united states,

and they to really couldn't care less about the print, an episode, they couldn't get it. they look at how many lives have been lost. they don't, they don't even have that interested in what's going on on the battlefield, just as long as you pray and can continue the fight. but the objective goal along has been to weaken degrade, to really age russia, knock it back in a decade, centuries in terms of the physical and economic development, who obviously hoping to kill off as many of russians as possible. and as long as the landscape is willing to go along with that and indeed is ego mullen and you get the goal, okay, give me this web and give me that web and give me the removal the restrictions on using weapons. let's uh uh, you know, provoke it even worse. well then they're happy with it and that's why we say it is depressed and yes is depressed because for them that's a state this rule is achieving what we want to. and i think the goal, of course,

is to separate russia permanently from europe. give us a bad that's hold the deal between russian and europe, which has been an american nightmare since the end of um, uh, it says the, the full of the soviet union. that that's all of the table. so for the americans as they will. yeah. let's, let's keep it going. why you know why not? and that's why i think that is it, does the landscape once very badly. the best spot of this uh to fix a plan to remove all restrictions on the use of um, uh, this alone res weapons a, the, whether it's the attack comes all the know all the, the scouts, the french scouts, it's a, i think you'll get it this may not be a public announcement, but i think that they will do it because the say this is good. um it's more headaches. um, for russia let this move more lives lost more pain and humiliation and everything is up to them to decide what they're going to do. so i think that you know,

that within the next few months we will see a terrible escalation. yeah, because a demo also is very interesting in this so called victory plan, and it will eventually be revealed. and what it does is it puts this complex squarely into nato world, because the only way this calculate can move forward is if nato is actively involved in a green to it. and this is what the rush of this i've been saying from day one. this is a nato conflict, and if it's going to move forward, if you crate is even going to continue exist in his current form, it's going to have to be a nato decision one way or another. so let's get in a weird way we, i mean this country loses, but he wins at least the narrative. everybody likes to use and for the time being fema, hello. i think that's basically the green and brush. it's not that cold it but you know, brandon bra seats quotes, liked about, let's be fair about between the global cells. that sense tends to be kind brush or it is larger, you know, and the global west. and it's interesting, you know, just,

i think that was a few hours ago a few days ago. i mean, yeah, jump back. and then i just states industry that came out with that statement on the durable piece and you create but you know, keeping his 3 story with the was a book and, and the statement does not contain the world, the russia you the same way. i mean they, they pretend not on the stand, the rush it as huge interest in great that you grain is very important for the security, jo, rupture that's it's, it's like the spanish, oh for the present book notes. and the basically i agree with george, i'm coming back to what i said about the beginning of every presidential term in america being pro russian and the and being very cool just but you the beginning, the president this fresh from booking to load as well to see the states one piece with the russians with other countries, but towards them there is more and more or less of the leads and,

and what you described, you know, striked and brushing 3rd feet deep. yes, i can deepen side russian their feet by your being made weapons by the way your up already gave it to is the state. so there is wishy washy about it is your pm read us uh to it's one of those really weird situations where they and the american ministration tells the british you can use your missiles because if they get against the rest, it's very and it's, it shows how the him hires the board really go back to charge before we go to the break. if you don't judge simple bud zima brought up these other countries that are um, considering um, um uh the protection of ukrainian sovereignty. but it's something that you and i have brought up and email over the you years now. is that the, the big 3 plan? uh, the piece plan. all the other plan they never talk about or very rarely talk about security. george? no, absolutely. right. because the lady of the, of, of the west of you,

you've been here at the speech is particularly of folding books, is when he talked about our security nato security at the, you know, the, that was, that's the only thing a masses. this is our security and they never acknowledge that all the countries and particularly is what i've seen russia security is in any way. it's even masses . apparently, russia is role is simply to accept the natives insurance is american insurance has a face value that just so we just provide me a peaceful reduce please. no offense, the lines were the beds of alliance, although we don't, we don't intend, well the browser, russia should accept this, but of course then use it will have them. you don't accept rushes assurances that you're talking about how secure it, how's that good? but you don't accept anything that a russian leaders say about what we have no aggressive and then we have no interest in that. so it's, it's the complete blind list. so they have the appreciation of all the countries that go with them. that is,

what does it lead nato and russia to this is all of us point to one. so that's recognize this complet could come to and in general, and i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our date, the the, what is part of the, the employee would post that isn't the, the place you was input in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present? there, let's stop without cases let's go products. a . cause i know it's not so someone that just didn't want to say i'm on this for gabriel. more said,

based issue i have to fall under the guise of evacuation about 50000 people were transported. the, the main purpose of this concentration camp in federal rules was to in think, prisoners was typhus and use them as a human shield against the advancing soviet, on a given mind. works from home to those but feeling for them to form. the problem is there was one of us please given it was in love with like you can ship the ship a presto, somebody's stuff, but don't want to bring your name. you know, i'm so sorry. i missed because on your certificate seems to put your salary and as a to see if the nazis use people is biological weapons leaving them to perish without food. water, motion to d, doff some water from your for a deity. so could i think it was i usually use most of the can you put the intrinsic nation way and there should have just put in each each is really

a shift for them to move the cam gloucester 10 days or what else made it drastically defense from of become so that the rice watch on t the will go back to across that bowl. barnes and peter lavelle to remind you were discussing some real is a need to be met before a late to the break. you wanted to make one more point about what this so called big tree plan. go ahead. yeah, it looks like the, uh, is going to be a nightmare because uh uh, they decided to double don't. i mean, read what go to boca says, i think it was in the washington. what's enforced, i guess. right? strike deep into russia was west of the weapons. even a bad, a weston expos, into the ukrainian on i mean, good to go with a special representative for obama, for several years. she is drop. what's to prevent these?

not to let the trip to fail miserably. allow what does suggest to make the walmart payable? you know, to strike deep into russia to send us meaning, treat to it. do you great? uh, you know what they say it seems to me, oh, so there's a very dangerous point they make on to which one is in power. there will be no peace. so if your mind's mill lane is roberto smith, i reckon you probably remember she's a carpet that is usually invite mad without them. so we will and this nightmare with flora or this beth uh. okay. with them to try flora. well, the rest well lights, and then basically it up to the revolution and tools days you and consequences. these people, you know, they, they, why, because uh, when they say their company, no, was of no peace with odom in goals. it gains fact. so it goes towards it on the book, you know, there was an empowerment here in the rest of the last 3 weeks and you the ability to 1000 rush to get everything to preserve relationship with your p and you, and you will do a night. the states, so

a conservative estimate shows that peace is possible, but these people are pushing everybody roughly these be we, we gonna only have peace, you have weight that make everything change in russia. and that was against the promise of lincoln, not let me quote him. we, i'm not, uh, can, you can for is you can change, you know, your waste included law school that goes out to be a lot, which he said in the beginning, old wisest. that the problem is, is all these plans, whether it comes from the former president of ukraine or the legal president, to be grand, ever. you want to define it? they don't talk about peace far at present the praise. that's why residency don't say president best or good faith, but switched gears have gotten at george we all of us have been just a guest by this a technological tech, no terrorism, that israel is employed in love and i continued as we speak right now. and of course,

defenders of israel or will quite gleefully on social media. we're happy to to see it where i'm, i'm usually referring to the pagers and other electronic devices that were somehow when one form or another captured and used as a webpage. i mean, it was really quite an amazing that very few of pointed out that this whole process is creating involuntary suicide bombers, which of course has terrorism here. i suppose what i find, not only do i find this very disturbing because in a country like, let me know on beepers are used by medical personnel a lot. okay. i mean there's that there's a dual use as they say here. but george doesn't this such a precedent that well is israel can do such a pair rising thing and be applauded by the west. what's to stop the other countries in groups doing the same thing? i think that's the, that's the salient. going to a piece of because, um,

what israel did, let's go to that. obviously, it didn't, didn't reflect the humiliation on the his ball up because that obviously, you know, has ball and network with supply chain and everything had been incomplete to penetrate the, by israel and, and a but what so the really important is that is ratios enables israel's champions in the west, but celebrating that so. so these are the target to the tax supposedly once i get to the banks, because even if you know, your going to be the be book of this, but in the pocket of, uh, somebody from his ball. uh, you know, he may be in the marketplace, he may be the school, we may be on a plane and maybe on a bus, a lot of other people are going to be hurt then obviously the thousands of people were foot um, as a result of this uh, these exploding pages. um, so they, they want to, i get the tag, but i think it's very important that once this is done and then other countries

including israel, including the united states, i can say, well, why don't we do this a more often, you know, why don't we just the take out, whoever we don't like, you know, take a big old man and then say, well, what are you going to do about it? and, and so then then, and then go be, where do you know russia lead as russian generals as a well ok, we took them out and you know, that was, it was a target at the time. what are you going to do? but well, you know, what, if it's, so they've decided, you know, we don't like some of the holocaust and i are in london. why don't we just, they came out of it. so it's so this house extending those lives throughout the world. you just simply, you can get to conduct these targeted assassinations. it doesn't matter. you know, you can completely in different to who else is going to be hurt as a result. but you created this, this pressure then whereby you can just carry out assassinations and be completely oblivious of the consequences. yeah. and then even the whole issue of proportionality is, it is now turned on its head. i mean it,

when you go making an idiot, almost every single conflict, the day, the west coast comments on around the world. they look at the rules of law. they shouldn't even convention is all that the numbers apply, but it comes to israel. your, i mean, the whole issue of proportionality and me to give one a combat and you have to be very, very careful not to take out. no combat and smell that is complete. i might well, um, um, uh, uh, reading and, and covering um these uh, horrific events so that the, the whole issue of proportionality is never was mentioned in western media. all they do is they, they, they seem to be a co home and thing, the x rays, but as real, as on their ingenuity, well healing innocent people's intentionally is you should not be considered in genius demon. well, i think something really terrible is just happened. this week it is comparable to the emergence, so all the chemical weapons that nuclear weapons is weaponized ational calls for

devices. it's something that bill won't the science fiction until recently and always suddenly became via the t us and, and even leave only for his beloved or gifts. what is you that will not make it less of look right. i mean, when chemical weapons were used by the germans, you know, during the 1st of all, the more against the, the, the, the, the british of the french in the problem from here. the then will the pete, you know, for that while the technical guests, it was a terrible crime. even though all the media treat people are killed. because everyone southern down, stuart how vulnerable you may need to, you know, and, and, and of course the, it's a, it's a way to, for some, i'm sorry, crazy, but additions, well known state asked us to see, quote, demi nation, because what did they do? even if they what, exit, all the gays, community personnel. okay. communication, getting in touch with your soul just as an essential spot. well, what if i, if you can get in touch with your soul just now?

you know, i mean you, you cannot continue to resist the so it's a way to world domination sound like we can use weaponized. ational possible devices can be dictate the what and what is the reaction of the west instead of talking about central to you instead of saying, hey, something terrible. cuz jessica then you hear a sheila says jessica. instead they say are the time it would not be worse, but i think it was just coming to cairo, whether it care, unquote, in the washington post. david ignatius the time in football, be award. blinking should be the same. i mean, it's just loaded chris. uh, they impose all kinds of sanctions on the put additions in russia, either on sometimes they never killed anyone, you know, as a, they're what human cold, 14 in a while. but these people are on the sanctions during the day. do you think what did we meant including including i didn't pick champions and no one of the sections and these are after this terrible i would say die bullet cold. what they did was

die of when it comes to be good because the of the demonstration effect here are we also george because is of the way west. the media for troy today is the conflict. and yet, in, in the bonds is that, you know, okay, for the, for what many western countries has blogs, the big terrorist organizations for most of the world does it and see because the law is that it's a political party, it has seats in parliament. it is the for many, many people, it is the backbone of civil society and 11 on because of its read just governance problems. but it was as well as comp carved out a, a place where itself. i mean, they did liber rate um, southern 11 on from occupation by the, from the of the is really occupational means a lot of people's look as beloved in. they're not all combatants. their nurses, their doctors, their taxi drivers, george. so they have, oh,

this is the that's the case. that's a yeah. is it you hear this is bella, is a, a, a is a movement. um, but what is right lives demonstrate an incident that i want you to say i'm not at or show israel did this by itself this semester with what a great deal of technological sophistication. and i have to say that they had a help to say the lease from the c i a for, for the americans. the variables are really masters of science. i mean george state d to back that up. i mean, right after it happened on the 1st day with the pagers, from what i could tell the white house that we, they had nothing to do with a new knowledge of a bite. but by the 3rd day they, they, it's been reported that they were aware of such an attack, but maybe not all the data. i mean, they change their story all the time just to back into the base they, they change the sort of over time. and, and it was also interesting that when the, the other, the other day, when a israel carried out this assassination of abraham, i killed this, his ball

a lead to the americans with gleeful. and although it just rejoicing because he allegedly took part in this, of the bombing of the american marine barracks and the american embassy in the bay roads in 1983. so that's for 40 years ago. and again, this is a little late, so they don't have no idea that he wants to buy themselves. but either way is or 40 years ago, either discovery app to assess the nations when what happens over 40 years ago. but the point is that this kind of the activity is, is done, you know, the, to demoralize, to humiliate and as, and to put, you know, essentially the fear into a is low. and i think that israel had succeeded, or they said that you will succeed by me and then sort of selling them well they, you are up against somebody vastly more technologically sophisticated when you are

deciding to deal with is addresses or as long term problems. but it is an, an act you know, against, as well as saying, well, now, now what are you going to do? you are up against us. us being israel found the united states well eventually, since a precedent has been sadly made, but she will be on the other foot. i wonder how london nurse, or new york, as will feel when 3000 of their citizens are headed by this guy. give the tech know to arizona, the attitude will be very, very different. i can tell you again, but hypocrisy is extraordinary. that's all the time we have dental. and i think my guess in budapest and here in mosque. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see. next time we member across the apples, the

russian states never as one of the most sense community best of all sense and up or the same assistance must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine the state on the russians cruising and split the r t spoke neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you say stephen twist,

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