rose by 12 percent in california. the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level. former ukrainian president zalinski is in the us peddling what he calls a big pre plan. unfortunately, this plan doesn't speak to peace and security. in fact, zalinski and his nato patrons have only one goal to keep the conflict going and well funded. this approach is a defeat for ukraine, the prospecting ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, steven guy it's in delray. he is

a research associate at build rates, institute of european studies in bows, where we have andre, that was jenco. he is a former ukrainian diplomat. and in sweden we crossed to reg simmons. he is an independent research or, or a gentleman, cross talk roles in effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated steve, and let me go to you 1st and bell grade. this victory plan has been bandied about, i'm not sure what, how much different it is from the zalinski piece plan. we can go there if you want, but what is he trying to achieve because other, you know, at this point, it just seems like a public relations page in the dying days of the biden administration. your thoughts, stephen? it is great that you just as soon as the last these baseline. uh which lists are rated on uh, june. 15th, uh, 16 in the near bottle in system of. uh when. uh, basically what we had, it was a, uh, were conference of uh, dollars, uh,

waived. sure. all right, and would you think the beast by getting more more money and watkins, essentially what the trunk that uh yes, today i'm reading that a lot of his pre i look for all speeches. is that the last? he's the greatest salesman. whenever he comes to the stage, she goes backwards with $60000000000.00. and this call press is even i think more malicious because he talks about the victory plan at the moment when you cranium, these fans is crumbling in the us. and what this means is escalation of war, she demands for me. so to basically directly get involved, what is more important here is over the last few things, but what the nato a leads and the outgoing administration thing, because what they want is, even in view of and upfront winning the election, they want him to become a hostage of war and at the same time, this goes along with the dramatic escalation of war individually, israel officer of destroying,

basically gaza and killing tens of thousands of people now is doing began to say i'm actually in, in loving them. and what they want is to subtract the united space at the same time . we see our truman shape uh, aircraft carrier, moving slowly to the middle east. this is very dangerous. i think this is the most dangerous moment so far is between now and a between the american elections. yeah. assuming that it could be what was popularly known as the october surprise, but was, there's so many issues out there that could be the october surprise. unfortunately, andre, let me go to and bounce. so one of them, you know, i can understand ukraine has security interest. so, you know, i, i've never begrudged that. okay, but i can see how this regina, that is a legitimate at this point here. so lensky is the former president, after all under its own constitution. but as the landscape doesn't talk about security, he doesn't talk about peas. but he talks, he wants the,

the conflict to continue, but the longer it continues, the more he moves is, is man. in the smaller ukraine becomes like, explain the logic behind this. for me. there is no logic. there is logic at the same time. you want to see kind of that is that that is a so called piece time victory prime. what do you call whatever, but it's a plan for war and destruction of france status. it still has to kind of solve this for in 2019 could have stopped when he became the president with a mr. corps haven't had getting an economy for the don't boss area. i'm having the pray united do that. to continue the search this war longer you process, going to leading to full scale war between races and already frank territory. mcnally states and russia usually play a man to die more than $900.00. 170000 troops are deadly from the point inside of the ground. today, the deluxe these so called peace plan is to stay in power lose as much as possible

. he doesn't care what the premium meant. he doesn't care about what's happening, right? you just find a church you're going to have to do with the orthodox refrain. millions of orthodoxy framework basically is the birthplace of orthodoxy in the side of the world. but this is what we see today, a full destruction i try to restore, but we've prayed subpoenaed to black rock to the beach, safety to keep himself in power. and that is that there's no peace, i call it could have done it and stop to 2022 and it was full of blood shed. he didn't do it because he got orders directly from washington. love to keep this one going because to make more money to make more money for the most industrial conference of washington and of each state. that is it, this is probably pretty important standpoint. do i talk to a lot of the products or formative or not to go around the world today? more than 60 percent of the brand new product for him come back. that was a fact. and they all like supporting what i'm saying cuz they were the main street is that you said it was you have

a president for home or different part of the many, frank just you scope. so positive deflection where you print, you're going to use the story. our country you have to, we yeah, well, i want to know later eventually he'll probably end up in one of his villas in miami or, or one another, a palatial destination. that's what he thinks, what we have, what? well, i mean, if he gets out of the country, because a lot of people want to see him in a ditch as well, that's what happens when you choose a patron, like nato. a great one of the we had over the last few days we had the british prime minister at the behest of tony blank and apparently go to washington and there was going to be the big fan fair that you know the ukrainians can use western weapons issued deep into russia, it didn't happen. there wasn't the press conference, there really wasn't much of a read out. and of course, well, the political sphere is a buzz. what's happened here? the pentagon finally say, no, you people are really, really nuts, particularly since we're on the hook to go to war in the middle east again. i don't

know. maybe we'll find out the truth here, but we did, we, we were staring into the abyss because for a change, they listen to what president vladimir putin said. you do that, then we're in a state of war with nato. go ahead, greg and sweden. oh, absolutely. is the in the 80 p, the whole round, where was the kind of the stuff we're going to a well hey and which they needed to actually activate the targets russia and they expect the consequences of the, of the. ready personally said something and they were forced to listen. i think it created a deed lot in barnes behind closed doors where you hit the stop sign or licks john hard with this. plus. it's going to be fantastic. it was part of the

strange love minus and how does the bottom and let's divide them up. but when you have those other ones uh, the deadlock that it well no let's uh do some extra comments amc it a m service provider. oh, because we'll be able to sign everything in the guide to that. we're gonna go ahead and use those on the bottom and what people are that great that that brings up the issue here. and this is, let me go back to stephen in belgrade. i mean, the mantra, coming out of nato capitals is that, um, uh, the russians wilson with the big they claim red lines, but they never uh, hold to them. well, number one, i would claim when we talk about red lines, most of those fictional red lines come from the west. it's not what russian official them actually say themselves. but in this case here, they're saying that the,

the russians won't escalate. will apparent. i always remind people that russia threatened to invade ukraine in 2022. and you know what steven? they did. okay. so i don't understand why people say they're always bluffing. russians don't bluff, they act. steven. and i think that this so logical mates or is nothing else about a firm logic because what they are doing is they're literally pushing the world towards a cool leads lation. and then they're going to have with the smile of their face with a smirk, which is kind of amazing. i think that's the site is definitely not bluffing, but russia still cannot come comprehend the amount of evil that these people are capable of doing. uh, who would have thought that your brain for a quote with all the american equipment wouldn't even be cost. and as we would see

again, german times burning on that those same fields where they burn some 70 plus years ago. so these people are ready for to do everything and anything in border to stay in power as we see what's happening in the middle east. but who knows if he doesn't escalate? he will probably go to jail. he will have to face charges in his route because people are single war. most of people in every society are normal. they want their kids to go to school. they want to have surgery in their lives and they certainly don't want to die. and thermal nuclear war. and the problem is that we have a small click on the world. i want to say even leaders of people in power, different sectors and power, who are interested in dolton list collision. i don't know. what do they think they, they watch uh, you know, the james bond movies and they have a little shame on the c or, and, or somewhere. so they think they moved flight in space or, or,

or saved themselves biologically, somehow, or whatever they, uh, they think it is a delusion because uh what they are essentially doing that they are trying to, to remove a huge war. uh, and i think the, this is a critical time, as i said earlier between today and, and the american election so that it won't be able to. andre, what is you? ukraine, get by doubling down because you'll, inside the zalinski, quote unquote, a peace plan. basically asked russia to a surrender it's, it's the same thing. and why does this, i mean, is this a fiction for a western, a lease and finance years? i mean, certainly people in ukraine can't believe it. go ahead. before we pray, you don't believe there's a lot of people we present these documents page the relax review, but it's under the last one this morning. and when i get back to the comment

because nothing's put down under under this machine. so they're looking forward to trying to solve but so i'm still running a level are usually pushed, but this technician idea that he can win. but it is only about the world using in albany, so called awards in washington. but he's not to use just to put in the hands of the public tiers around the globe. move on the number, the washington that is that he likes it. he loves. yeah. i mean, as i said in the interview, one say was the greatest role of his life. be kind of let the masks with because he does enjoy being this. but i don't know if he's going to be able to get out of this alive here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to run a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with parking the

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the welcome act across software, all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt. demand you were discussing ukraine . the way this go to greg. i mean, it's really interesting of, boris. uh, yeah, uh, johnson came out with an article on the spectator titled that it's time to let ukraine join nato. and then in the, in the, i think the 1st paragraph or so we uh, we need to, uh, to get you crate into nato now. and i mean now, okay, i mean, this is the biggest food on the international stage is i'll tell you what's a very competitive stage these days. what is motivating him. we even have the head

of the outgoing head, spelt and burger of nato even admit that this complex came about because of nato expansion. he admitted it's all public part of the public record. and the russians have made it clear that this is a they said in this them before and if them bowl and they keep saying today that is a prerequisite to wrap this thing up here. but boards, johnson continues to do it. i mean, is he an ideological not case or is he just making a lot of money off of this? go ahead a lesson just because it's not all i the or it's a case of the employee. the guy is definitely showing side cognitively challenged inside the of was career options. price probably knows that a run of a slow end of this particular retrospect. what do you use? trying to do is press drive himself to the decision by gives in washington dc

to carry enough body of of, for read career, a forest johnson. to continue being a boss on the globe and stage, i mean that this is purely a be awesome, but he's prepared to prostitute themselves to one because in order to do that, you know, steven, the problem that we face right now is that i believe and move you know that the, the, the real history of this will be written one day is that a blinking newland sullivan, but they thought the same, the threats of a conflict. they thought the sanctions would work. they thought the international isolation would work. they never really thought that a conflict would happen and they were caught flat footed. and that's the reason why they've never had a plan. b stephen. i hope so. that's kind of with the presumption that they are rational, real point explain additions, who just wants to victory, upset not to destroy their own countries in the process. so why see

more when you have a dispatch in boynton? johnson is the last case. similar as those are then i would, i would call that human floss there like the joke, or sometimes i think that the volume was the, was always preparing us for the events to come. remember all the catastrophic movies with the washington in your being destroyed and all of them being failed before 911. so i'm now when i look back in 2019 and the movie joke or i think both johnson, i think of as i see, i think of people's who did not get enough credit because they were bullied. oh god . oh, god knows what kind of frustration they had, and now they are just jumping to behind it with a smile on their face. and the, this is, this is what i'm really afraid of. it's not on rationality. i thought even dr. strange along kind of logic. it is the logical a few even because that is what i see, i always and trying to find some kind of a,

a, a rational thinking, why are they saying so, but this is more than a blog because as you just mentioned previously, they know for a fact that russia is not the last thing at the end of the day. so why are they promoting? why are they provoking ross at the response to rockets that will explode inside of russia? it is, it is lots, johnson is advocating for it is one of the last key is advocating for benefit. but as of the last, you know, that important. what is important is this, the dark elite behind stand behind a chance of behind these people who are uh, i don't know what they are they trying to do, but this is going beyond the real ball. i think this is going beyond politics. yeah . and be good and because it's at the end of the day it's it, everyone security is threatened everyone by doing this here. you know, on 31 of the things that i thought about during this,

and i've been watching this situation since 2014, that's the beginning of this conflict here. that most western audiences are never exposed to. but i have always been, you know, bewildered how you would get this elite and in care of, supported by the wes willingly. you know, people say ukraine is a victim and i always say, well, no, it's a volunteer. they volunteered for this mission. this is an inexplicable to me and considering the results today, tell me to do it. it's so will drink, but to add to it all right, you have europe going along with it to look at all of the elections across the board. i mean, show to is, you know, he's happy that his party gun or half a point higher than a then is the alternative for germany. i mean, think about that 2 or 3 years ago, would you think that would be an election outcome in germany all through europe? i mean, what is going on here very much like what stephen was saying here. i just don't

understand why people signed up to this because it's always to their detriment. what is ukraine gotten out of this? what is your gotten out of this? we know a lot of arms made makers made a lot of money from this. ok, fine. but everybody else, i'm today the leaks with the when do these the, so we've got out of this is their bank accounts still more they have a possible would it be good to react states and to look up to their owners and masters in washington? that's what i get paid for, you get a good parish after all this the i'm just thinking gosh, or source on the line. she gets a good person. she comes over and sits on the board directors or to somebody in or more directors, what center chickens make the decision with the so called you previously? i was there, i found out of the 6 of 16 i left a gun position saying, no, i will not be part of a student. i just did my function, job bloodshed, and i saw how or shameful i was in his office. i was seen all these process, there's always going to purchase, making to sell to that americans. and that's where is the door,

the assembly and to start off. that's what it was. they were selling it all directly. ukraine was believed to be praying, were starting their country off directly to the west and they were looking for the door. so whatever channel they could, that is the biggest problem is they're thinking you're, they don't think about their people. they think about themselves. that is the biggest situation here and the same thing with the so called a lead to washington. they have the email and then they had a practice. do this, then a fine to the story, rush it from with them brand new slab. what do you think each regular american unified so i do the sort of watches for the parks. so you get a part, they use all the resources of a rush. that's what they were plan was and they started going to happen in the 1st 3 months of this taxes. warranty used to play a man, but it didn't happen. well, why should stay the only place? government rushes stronger than ever. the whole world is back camp. russia around america, asia behind brits is wrong and this is the result of didn't expect them. that's going to these are karma, the loss, but the people are stuck from the situation. people in europe are suffering. the

price is arc sorry rockery. volkswagen has to be jeremy mercedes leaving germany. great is total destroyed and is going to be costing over $500000000000.00 to just to rebuild it. the west is not going remotely. i think that's the biggest question . what was the, what's the, that was the resources and leave the print, what we may find out, i mean, i suppose, uh, by the time this program errors, we may know more details, but i mean, they're, they're banding about a trillion don't got another trillion dollars. it will take it in small bills. thank you very much. i mean, this is extraordinary here. you know, great there's, you know, i actually, you know, before all of this happened in 2014 to the present. i used to go to ukraine a lot. and i really love ukraine, and i really enjoyed visiting kevin and meeting with ukrainian people. and i actually care a lot about the country to this day. and the only way you creighton is going to survive. europe is going to survive and the world is going to survive. and we go

back to the helsinki idea of security indivisibility of security. that's the only way out. okay, and that is ensures that ukraine, at least in some form, will survive the past the, the, the zalinski crowd is going down. a sure is that ukraine may face destruction, complete destruction. go ahead, greg. and sweep to you about your duty common sense. this is the problem. i mean, most of these people love, at least in china, is in heavy stilts above woods and just looking at them. ok. let's existence. i mean, the moment that examines the greet uh to garbage of what ive been ukraine's independence was absolutely lost. i mean, so when he, when he was to go, i did with the a take on the boss, which is why the, the always so he, the opposite is, may have a do clients, independence was all of us. and i mean,

but i think the, the issue now is a bit like the base like literally the existence as awesome. busy the rates late and you get all these people talking about like the, the dose of the conference and not getting 45 and but, you know, i rush, it was on the lease and that was going to divide up, rush or off to it. so they don't live in reality. i mean, i think one of the things which is going to tell is as a lives he has done the, i suppose, the right the front on the, in the, the public can do. busy he believes that he is a subject a not object of these games. and i mean his big bonding is getting a little bit too high for the concert or some of these people. so i mean,

the volume it will be when you train and zalinski and the rest of the draw between this is what the us us with the dentist i, i, i, this is what i taught when this was all beginning. i told i had a good friend of mine, she has family and ukraine's like. but you know that they're not fearful because america is on our side and they said they will dump you when it's appropriate when you're no longer are necessary and it's happening right now. steve, and i think what are the last minute here because even i think the bi monthly administration wants to give a gift to a potential trump administration. and that is this failed ukraine project. they just want to drop it in their lap and they'll say, see trump the last few cray go ahead stephen. exactly. maybe that's the that was the reason why by then i was very trump has, but the more serious most uh my question is what comes next? because i think that is the last piece already a person of the box. he just got, so he's award and the don't bet strong is probably what i'm thinking of in

these. a statement of an available said does move always next to what does that supposed to mean? and it's very indicative of that. also president developers on the cycle side of the back on barrows would mark the beginning more homework 3. so maybe these people are already on talking about, of course major people are already thinking about what comes next. well, steven, steven, i'm sure all of you and our viewers saw that the last interview with victoria, new and in that smirk on her face. they've got plans, they still got big plans. we're gonna have to leave it there gentlemen. i want to thank my guest in belgrade, basil, and in sweden. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time remember, prospect rolls, the, [000:00:00;00]

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