of the the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle. former ukrainian president zelinski is in the us peddling what he calls a victory plan. unfortunately, this plan doesn't speak to peace and security. in fact, zalinski and his nato patrons have only one goal to keep the conflict going. n well funded. this approach is a defeat for ukraine, the processing ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, steven guy, it's in belgrade, is a research associate at build rates, institute of european studies in bows. what we have andre, that was franco. he is

a former ukrainian diplomat. and in sweden we crossed to reg simmons. he is an independent research or, or a gentleman, cross lock rules in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. stephen, let me go to you 1st and bell grade. this victory plan has been bandied about, i'm not sure what the, how much different it is from the zalinski piece plan. we can go there if you want, but what is he trying to achieve because other, you know, at this point, it just seems like a public relations page in the dying days of the biden administration. your thoughts, stephen? it is great that you just as soon as the last these baseline uh, which was rated on uh, june 15th uh, 16th near bato in switzerland. uh when. uh, basically what we had, it was a, uh were conference of uh, dollars uh, waived. sure. all right, and would you think to be spike getting more more money and weapons essentially

what all transfers upset, i guess today i'm reading that a lot of his i pretty, it looks are all speech is, is that the last is the greatest salesman whenever he comes to the united states, she goes backwards with $60000000000.00. this call press is even i think more malicious because he talks about the victory plan at the moment where you cranium, dispense is crumbling in the us and uh, what this means is, escalation of war, she demands for nato to basically directly get involved. what is more important here is over the last few things, but what the nature of the leads and the outgoing going to base ration think because what they want isn't even in the event of trunk winning the election. they want him to become a hostage of war. and at the same time, this goes along with the dramatic escalation of war in the middle east. israel officer of destroying, basically gaza and killing tens of thousands of people now is doing,

began to say an action in, in lebanon. and what they want is to subtract the united states. at the same time, we see a high truman shape, a aircraft carrier, moving slowly to the middle east. this is very dangerous. i think this is the most dangerous moment so far. it's between now and a between the american elections. yeah. assuming that it could be what was popularly known as the october surprise, but was, there's so many issues out there that could be the october surprise. unfortunately, on the right, let me go to you and bounce. so one of them, you know, i can understand ukraine has security interest. so, you know, i, i've never begrudged that. okay, but i can see how this regina, that it's illegitimate at this point here. so lensky is the former president, after all under its own constitution. but as the landscape doesn't talk about security, he doesn't talk about peace. but he talks, he wants the little conflict to continue, but the longer it continues,

the more he moves is man. and the smaller ukraine becomes like, explain the logic behind this for me. there is no logic, there is logic at the same time you want to see kind of that is that that is a so called piece time victory plan, where you can call whatever, but it's a plan for war and destruction of a plant status. it still has to kind of solve this war in 2019 could have stopped when he became the president with the mr. corps, haven't had getting an autonomy for the don't boss area. and having a great united, you got to continue the search this war longer you process. and so leading to full scale war between the races or the frame territory. mcnally states and russia usually play a man to die more than $900.00. 170000 troops are deadly from the funding side or the grout today. that of the lights these so called peace plan. yeah. it's the same power lose as much as possible. maybe doesn't care what you bring

a man. he doesn't care about what's happening. bring you to explain the church because the orthodox week breaks millions of orthodoxy brain, where we speak to is the 1st place of orthodoxy in the side of the road. but this is what we see today, a full destruction. i try to destroy marie craig definitive black rock to the beach safety to keep himself in power. and that is that there's no peace, i call it could have done it and stop to 2022 and it was full of what shed you can do that because he got borders directly from washington. love to keep this one going because to make more money to make more money for the most industrial conference of washington and of each state. that is it, this is probably pretty important standpoint. do i talk to a lot of different, lots of formative about to go around the world today? more than 60 percent of the printer provided for him come back. that was a fact. and they all are just wondering what else they were the main street is that you said it was you have a president which is a part of the many frank and this do so. so the question for you print is going to

do the story. our country you have to we yeah, well, i want to know later eventually he'll probably end up in one of his villas in miami or, or one another, a palatial destination. that's what he thinks, what we have. what do well, i mean if he gets out of the country, because a lot of people want to see him in a ditch as well. that's what happens when you choose a patron, like nato, a great one of the we had over the last few days. we had the british prime minister at the behest of tony blank and apparently go to washington and there was gonna be the big fan fair that you know, the ukrainians can use western weapons issued deep into russia. it didn't happen. there wasn't the press conference there really wasn't much of a read out. and of course, well, the political sphere is a buzz. what's happened here? the pentagon finally say, no, you people are really, really nuts, particularly since we're on the hook to go to war in the middle east again. i don't know. maybe we'll find out the truth here, but we did, we,

we were staring into the abyss because for a change, they listen to what president vladimir putin said. you do that, then we're in a state of war with nato. go ahead, greg and sweden. oh, absolutely. as you saw using the 80 piece of the whole round, where was the kind of the stuff we're going to a well big hand which they needed to actually activate the targets russia and they expect the consequences of a uh, of the pause. i personally said something and listen, no, i think it created since i did log in guns behind closed doors, really a unit dollars or less, boom sign or licks john hard with us plus instead of the paint. nice. but it was tied to the strange love minus and how does the bottom and let's divide them up.

but when you hit those other ones, uh, the deadlock that it well no, let's do some extra comments amc it a m. so this provider will because will be a sign, everything in the guide to that, we're gonna go ahead and use those on the bottom. and what people are that great that, that brings up the issue here. and this is, let me go back to stephen in belgrade. i mean, the mantra, coming out of uh nato capitals. is that, um, uh, the russians wilson with the big bay claim red lines, but they never, uh, hold to them. well, number one, i would claim when we talk about red lines, most of those fictional red lines come from the west. it's not what russian official them actually say themselves. but in this case here, they're saying that the, the russians won't escalate. will apparent. i always remind people that russia

threatened to invade ukraine in 2022. and you know what stephen? they did. okay, so i don't understand why people say they're always bluffing. russians don't bluff, they act. steven. and i think that this so logical nato is nothing else about a fertile logic because what they are doing is they're literally pushing the world towards a cool leads lation. and then they're going to have with the smile of their face with a smirk, which is kind of amazing. uh, i think that's the site is definitely not bluffing, but russia still cannot comprehend the amount of evil that these people are capable of doing. uh, who would have thought that uh, you bring photo quotes with all the american equipment to evade course. and as we can see again the german times burning on that those same fields where they burn

some 70 plus years ago. so these people are ready for to do everything and anything and. busy to stay in power, as we see what's happening in the middle east. the knows if he doesn't escalate, he will probably go to jail. he will have to face charges in his route because people are single more. most of the people in every society are normal. they want their kids to go to school, they want to have surgery in their lives and they certainly don't want to die and thermal nuclear war. and the problem is that we have a small click on the world. i wouldn't say even leaders of people in power in different sectors of power, who are interested in dolton list collision. i don't know what the big thing do they watch. uh, you know, the james bond movies and they have a little shame on the c or in the software. so they think they move flight in space or, or, or saved themselves biologically, somehow, or whatever they,

they think it is a delusion because what they are essentially doing that they are trying to, to promote a huge war. uh, and i think the, this is a critical time, as i said earlier between today and, and the american election, so that it won't be able to. andre, what does you ukraine get by doubling down because you'll ends up as a, as a lensky, quote unquote, a peace plan. basically asked russia to a surrender. it's, it's the same thing here. why does this, i mean, is this a fiction for a western, a lease and finance years? i mean, certainly people in ukraine can't believe it. go ahead of people who probably don't believe there's a lot of people. ready that need to be supplement, he's the relax review, but it's under the last one this morning and when i better go back to the economy, there's nothing for them are under under this regime. so they're looking forward to

trying to stop. but so i'm still running a lot, all are usually pushed, but this technician idea that he can win, but it is only, you know, the world is being in the albany so called the warrants in washington. but he's not to use just to put in the hands of the carpet tiers around the globe move on to the washington. that is that he likes it. he loves to. yeah, i mean, i said it in the interview. one say was the greatest role of his life. be kind of let the masks with because he doesn't enjoy being this. but i don't know if he's going to be able to get out of this alive. your gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're gonna do a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with the

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a long shot. the love of selling. so got you for me just so that way you know, give them steve. it's just a little bit slow. so no control. so yeah, definitely i was unable to answer the phone. yeah, it's a visual i'm losing in, but i do have to make sure that people come the middle of it so frustrated with as much. it's gonna get to play the show you a different level may assist you more. um, when you do it on google shifts and which the technology you can throwing up at the let's just sponsor, excuse me, just go out. i don't know if it was a go or you don't wish to just go in and put in the see, the thing is done with this. i can see it on this one was self employed. so sort of all the welcome back across stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt

dramatically. we're discussing ukraine the way. let's go to greg. i mean, it's really interesting, morris. uh, yeah, uh, johnson came out with an article on the spectator titled the, it's time to let you crane join nato. and then in the, in the, i think the 1st paragraph or so we, we need to, to get ukraine into nato now. and i me now, okay, i mean, this is the biggest, the food on the international stage is i'll tell you it's a very competitive stage these days. what is motivating him? we even have the head of the outgoing head, stilton burger, nato even admit that this conflict came about because of nato expansion. he admitted it's all public part of the public record. and, and, and the russians have made it clear that this is a, they said in this them before, and it's them bowl and they keep saying today, that is a prerequisite to wrap this thing up here. but boris johnson continues to do it. i

mean, is he an ideological not case or is he just making a lot of money off of this? go ahead a lesson just because it's not all i the or it's a case of employee the guy is definitely showing side cognitively challenged inside the of what his career options place employment. is that a run of a slow end of this particular retrospect? what do you use trying to do is press drive himself to the decision by gives of washington d. c. to carry enough body above for the career of forest johnson to continue things about on the globe and stage. i mean, but this is purely a be awesome, but he's prepared to prostitute themselves to the water. because in order to do that, you know, steven the problem that we face right now is that, i believe and move. you know that the, the,

the real history of this will be written one day is that a blinking newland sullivan. but they thought the saying the threats of a conflict, they thought the sanctions would work. they thought the international isolation would work, but never really thought that a conflict would happen and they were caught flat footed. and that's the reason why they've never had a plan. b stephen. i hope so. that's kind of with the presumption that they are rational, real, uh, politics will additions, who just wanted to victory about not to destroy their own countries in the process. so why see more when you have a dispatch in boynton, johnson is the last case. similar as those are that i would, i would call the human floss there like the joke, or sometimes i think that the volume was the, was always preparing us for the events to come. remember all the catastrophic movies with the washington in your being destroyed and all of them being failed

before 911. so now when i look back in 2019 and the movie joke or i think of johnson, i think of as i see, i think of people's who did not get enough credit because they were bullied. oh god . oh, god knows what kind of frustration they had, and now they are disrupting the planet with a smile on their face. and the, this is, this is what i'm really afraid of. it's not on rationality. i thought even dr. strange along kind of logic and even the logic of a few even because that is why i always and trying to find some kind of a, a, a rational thinking, why are they saying so, but this is more than a blog because as you just mentioned previously, they know for a fact that russia is not the last thing at the end of the day. so why are they provoking, why are they provoking ross at the response to iraq s this will explode inside

a russian. it is, it is what johnson is advocating for. it is one of the last key is advocating for benefit. but as of the last, you know, that important. what is important is this, the dark elite behind stand behind a chance of that behind these people who are, uh, i don't know what they are they trying to do, but this is going beyond the real ball. i think this is going beyond g of politics . yeah. and be good and because it's at the end of the day, it said that everyone security is threatened everyone by doing this here. you know, on 31 of the things that i thought about during this, and i've been watching this situation since 2014, that's the beginning of this conflict here. that most western audiences are never exposed to. but i have always been, you know, bewildered how you would get this elite and in care of, supported by the wes willingly. you know, people say ukraine is a victim and i always say, well, no, it's a volunteer. they volunteered for this mission. this is an inexplicable to me and

considering the results today, tell me to do it. it's so will drink. but to add to it, right? you have europe going along with it to look at all of the elections across the board. i mean, schultz was, you know, he's happy that his party gun or half a point higher than a then is the alternative for germany. i mean, think about that 2 or 3 years ago, would you think that would be an election outcome in germany all through europe? i mean, what is going on here very much like what stephen was saying here. i just don't understand why people signed up to this because it's always to their detriment. what is ukraine gotten out of this? what is your gotten out of this? we know a lot of arms and makers made a lot of money from this. ok, fine. but everybody else, i'm today, the leaks or the when do these the so we've got out of this is their bank accounts still more. they have a possibly be good to where it states and to look up to the owners of masters in

washington. that's why i didn't get paid for you get a good parish after all this the i'm just looking for the source on the line. she gets a good person. she comes over and sits an important records all to somebody in the records of authentic chickens. we pay the money to assist you with the so called you praying. i mean, i was there, i got out of the 6 of 16. i left a gun position saying no, i will not be part of a student. i'm just doing my function, blood shit. and i saw how or shameful i was in his office. i was seen all these process. there's always going to purchase, making to sell to that americans. and that's where is the door, the assembly we have to start off, that's what it was. they were selling it all directly. ukraine was the week to be praying. we're starting their country off directly to the west and they were looking for the door. so whatever channel the choice that is, the biggest problem is they're thinking you're really thinking about their people. they think about themselves, that is the biggest situation here and the same thing with the so called the lead to washington. they have the email and then they had

a practice. do this prior to the story rush up front with them brand new slab. what is the future rigging the 1985, so i do the sort of watches for the parks, so you get a part, they use all the resources of a rush. that's what they were plan was and they started going to happen in the 1st 3 months of this proxy war. they used to play a man, but it didn't happen. well, why should stay in a good place? government russians, stronger than ever, the whole world is back camp, russia and forgetting america, asia, all behind bricks is wrong, and this is the result of didn't expect. and that's the categories are karma. the loss of the people are stuck from the situation. people in europe are suffering. the price is arc sorry rockery. volkswagen has to be jeremy mercedes leaving germany. great is total destroyed and is going to be costing over $500000000000.00 to just to rebuild it. the west is not gonna remove it. i think that's the biggest question, what's the resources and leave the print? what we may find out, i mean,

i suppose uh by the time this program here is we may know more details, but i mean they're, they're banding about a trillion don't got another trillion dollars. it will take it in small bills. thank you very much. i mean, this is extraordinary here. you know, great there's, you know, i actually, you know, before all of this happened in 2014, to the present. i used to go to ukraine a lot, and i really loved ukraine. and i really enjoyed visiting kevin and meeting with ukrainian people. and i actually cared a lot about the country to this day. and the only way ukraine is going to survive. europe is going to survive and the world is going to survive. and we go back to the helsinki idea of security indivisibility of security. that's the only way out. okay, and that is ensures that ukraine, at least in some form, will survive the past that the zalinski crowd is going down. a sure is that ukraine may face destruction, complete destruction. go ahead, greg, and sweep to you about your duties commonsense. this is the problem. i mean,

most of these people love, at least it guy, china is in heavy stokes, above woods, and just looking to know too much existence in the moment. but the great uh to garbage of what ive been ukraine's independence was absolutely lost. and i mean, so when he, when he was to go, it will be a take on the boss, which is why the, the always see the opposite is live, do clients, independence was all about. and i mean, but i think the issue now is a bit like the base, like literally the existence as awesome, potable breaks and late and you get all these people talking about like the, the dose of the conference, a knock and 45. and that, you know, i rush, it was on the lease and that was going to divide up, rush or off to is they don't live in reality. i mean,

i think one of the things which is going to tell is, as a lives he has done the, i suppose the drive, the from find that in the, the public can do that. he believes that he is a subject and not object of these games. and i mean his big bonding is getting a little bit too high for consulate or some of these people. so i mean, the volume of move to the when you're trying and zalinski and the rest of the drugs, this is what the us us with the dentist i, i, i, this is what i taught when this was all beginning. i told i had a good friend of mine, she has family and ukraine's like. but you know that they're not fearful because america is on our side and they said they will dump you when it's appropriate when

you're no longer are necessary and it's happening right now. steve, and i think what are the last minute here goes to steve. and i think the bi monthly administration wants to give a gift to a potential trump administration. and that is this failed ukraine project. they just want to drop it in their lap and they'll say, see trump the last few crane. go ahead stephen. exactly. maybe that. that was the reason why by then i was very drunk, has uh, what's the on the more serious nose? my question is what comes next? because i think that is the last. he's already a person of the box. he does god. so he's award and they've done bad, strong, his crumbling what i'm thinking of is these statements of atlanta available. said this move always next to what does that supposed to mean? and it's very indicative of that. also, presidents of elders to the bank of santa via fax on bell rose was marked with getting more homework 3. so maybe these people are already, i'm talking about,

of course major people are already thinking about what comes next. well stephen. hi stephen. i'm sure all of you and our viewers saw that the last interview with victoria, new and, and that smirk on her face. they got plans, they still got big plans. we're gonna have to leave it there gentlemen. i want to thank my guess in belgrade, basil and in sweden. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here to see you next time. remember prospect rules the the, what is part of the the employee would post good. isn't the defense you of us in good in the word part?

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