now life has been repeatedly calling for the global south countries, voices to be heard and formed mid a slab. roof is also calling for additional seats for asia, africa, and latin america that we see the but we always support the interest and legitimate aspiration of in the, in brazil to register in the security council. same time is applicant, aspirations must be satisfied in the common collect depositions in africa. well, respect them, which would limit ourselves to the our position assumes additional seats for asia, africa, and latin america. those we are ready for this additional states to include permanent members. for these we need to reach a common agreement. this is not an easy process. i do not see any prospect to me for as rapid completion that you all know is going to be a busy week here in new york city as the year in general. assembly continues full force will be here as well, and will re keeping you updated on all the latest details. new york is going off our t reporting from new york. so when was the last time we heard the term piece being

used in the west? as regards the ukraine conflict, it might take some thinking instead, the latest approach by flooding resilience beyond his native bikers centers on the so called big repub, next cross store discusses. what that will likely mean for the premium people? the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle,

former ukrainian president zalinski is in the us peddling what he calls a victory plan. unfortunately, this plan doesn't speak to peace and security, in fact, zalinski and his nato patrons of only one goal to keep the complet going n well funded. this approach is a defeat for ukraine, the prospecting ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, steven guy, it's in belgrade. is a research associate at build rates, institute of european studies in bows, or we have andre those jenco. he is a former ukranian diplomat. and in sweden we crossed to reg simmons. he is an independent research or, or a gentleman, cross type rules in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. stephen, let me go to you 1st and bell grade. this victory plan has been bandied about, i'm not sure what, how much different it is from the zalinski piece plan. we can go there if you want, but what is he trying to achieve? because other, you know, at this point, it just seems like

a public relations page in the dying days of the binding administration. your thoughts stephen is great. and you just as soon as the last these baseline uh which lists are rated on uh, june 15th, the 6th day of the near bottle in switzerland. uh when uh, basically what we had, it was a, uh, the conference. busy the dollars uh waived. sure. all right, would you think 2 piece by getting more more money and weapons essentially what go from that. uh yes, today i'm leaving. not a lot of his i pretty it looks are all speech is is that is the last case. the greatest salesman, whenever he comes to the stage, she goes backwards with $60000000000.00. and this call press is even thing more malicious because he talks about the victory plan at the moment where you, cranium, these fans is crumbling in the us. and what this means is escalation of war,

she demands for me to, to basically directly get involved. what is more important here is over the last few things, but what the nature of the leads and the ongoing administration thing. because what they want is, even in the amount of trunk winning the election, they want him to become a hostage of war. and at the same time, this goes along with the dramatic escalation of war individually, israel officer of destroying, basically gaza and killing tens of thousands of people now is doing the gap to say an action in, in level um, and what they want is to drag the united states, at the same time, we see a high truman shape uh, aircraft carrier, moving slowly to the middle east. this is very dangerous. i think this is the most dangerous moment so far is between now and

a between the american options. yeah. assuming that it could be what was popularly known as the october surprise, but was, there's so many issues out there that could be the october surprise. unfortunately . andre, let me go to and bounce. so one of them, you know, i can understand ukraine has security interest. so, you know, i, i've never begrudge that. okay, but i can see how this regina, that it's illegitimate at this point here. so lensky is the former president, after all under its own constitution, is elizabeth doesn't talk about security. he doesn't talk about peas. but he taught, he wants the, the conflict to continue, but the longer it continues, the more he moves is his man and the smaller ukraine becomes like, explain the logic behind this. for me. there is no logic. there is logic at the same time. you want to see kind of that is that that is a so called piece time victory prime. what do you call whatever, but it's a plan for war and destruction of implants. that is, the last you could have stopped before in 2019 could have stopped when he became

the president. with the mr. corps, haven't had getting an economy for the don't boss area. and having a great united you got to continue the search. this war margrave's process until leading into full scale war between the brain territory was writing states and russia usually play in to the more than 970000 troops are deadly from the front. and side of the ground today, that of the lights, these so called peace plan. yeah. it's the same power lose as much as possible. maybe doesn't care what you bring a man. he doesn't care about what's happening, right? you just find a church you're going to have to the orthodox and it breaks millions of orthodoxy. framework basically is the 1st place of orthodoxy in the side of the world. so this is what we see today, a full destruction. i try to restore more, reframe to feed it to black rock, to the beach, safety to keep himself in power. and that is it. there's no peace i call it could have doesn't stop. oh,

the 2022 ended this whole of what should do that because he got orders directly from washington. love to keep this one going because to make more money to make more money for the most industrial conference of washington and of each state that is it. this is probably pretty important standpoint. i talked to a lot of the product to accommodate the muscles around the world today. more than 60 percent of the brain to provide it for didn't come back. that was a fact that they all are just for what i'm saying, cuz they were the main street is that you said it was you have a president for home or different part of them in the frame. and this do so. so call positive the what? sure were you print, you're going to do the story. our country, you have to we. yeah, well i want to know later a eventually he'll and probably end up in one of his villas in miami or, or one another, a palatial destination. that's what he thinks, what we have, what well, i mean if he gets out of the country, because a lot of people want to see him in a ditch as well. that's what happens when you choose a patron,

like nato. a great one of the we had over the last few days we had the british prime minister at the behest of tony blank and apparently go to washington and that was going to be the big fan fair that you know the ukrainians can use western weapons issue deep and direction, it didn't happen. there wasn't a press conference, there really wasn't much of a read out. and of course, well, the political sphere is a buzz. what's happened here? the pentagon finally say, no, you people are really, really nuts, particularly since we're on the hook to go to war in the middle east again. i don't know. maybe we'll find out the truth here, but we did, we, we were staring into the abyss because for a change, they listen to what president vladimir putin said. you do that, then we're in a state of war with nato. go ahead, greg and sweden. oh, absolutely. as you saw it, i mean the 80 piece of the whole round. where was this uh, kind of the stuff weird about with going to

a well big hand which they needed to actually activate the targets russia and they expect the consequences of, uh, being the cause i personally said something. uh and then what's the list of n o i think it created a i did log in volumes behind closed doors, really a unit. those are the storm side or licks john hardy because plus it's going to be fantastic. it was by the dump. the strange love moments and hug bottom. let's divide them up. but then you have those other ones. we did block that and it, well no, let's do some extra colored same. see it a m service provider because will be a sign. everything in the guide to that was done

a go ahead and use that was the bomb and what people are that great that, that brings up the issue here. and this is, let me go back to stephen in belgrade. i mean, the mantra, coming out of nato capitals is that, um, uh, the russians wilson with the big bay claim red lines, but they never uh, hold to them. well, number one, i would claim when we talk about red lines, most of those fictional red lines come from the west. it's not what russian officials them actually say themselves. but in this case here, they're saying that the, the russians won't escalate. will apparent. i always remind people that russia threatened to invade ukraine in 2022. and you know what stephen? they did. okay. so i don't understand why people say they're always bluffing. russians don't bluff, they act. steven. and i think that this so logical mates or is nothing else about a for the logic because what they are doing is they're literally pushing the world towards

a cool leads annihilation. and then they're going to have with the smile of their face with a smirk, which is kind of amazing. uh, i think that's the site is definitely not bluffing, but russia still cannot comprehend the amount of evil that these people are capable of doing. uh, who would have thought that you bring for a quote with all the american equipment to evade course. and we will see again german times burning on that. those same fields where they burn some 70 plus years ago. so these people are ready for to do everything and anything in order to stay in power as we see what's happening in the middle east. the knows if he doesn't escalate, he will probably go to jail. he will have to face charges in his route because people are sick of war. most of people in every society are normal. they want their

kids to go to school. they want to have certain feet in their life, and they certainly don't want to die. and thermal nuclear war. and the problem is that we have a small click on the world, i wouldn't say even leaders of people in power in different sectors of power. who are interested in dolton list collision. i don't know what the big things do they watch. uh, you know, the james bond movies and they have a little ship under the sea or, and, or somewhere. so they think they move flight in space or, or, or saved themselves biologically, somehow, or whatever they, they think it is a delusion because, uh what they are essentially doing that they are trying to, to remove a huge war. uh, and i think the, this is a critical time, as i said earlier between today and, and the american election so that it won't be able to. andre, what does you,

ukraine get by doubling down because you is of the zalinski quote unquote, a peace plan. basically asked russia to a surrender it's, it's the same thing here. why does this, i mean, is this a fiction for a western, a lease and finance years? i mean, certainly people in ukraine can't believe it. go ahead. the people, we probably don't believe there's a lot of people he printed easily. silverman papers, blacks redeemed us under the last one this morning. and what i've been going back to the economy, there's nothing for them are under under this machine. so they're looking forward to trying to solve, but so i'm still running a lot of our use be pushed, but this technician idea that he can win, but it is only the world you'd be doing all these so called awards in washington. but he's not to use just in the hands of the corporate tiers around the globe move on to the washington. that is it. do you like says you loved? yeah, i said it in the interview. one say was the greatest role of his life. be kind of

let the masks with because he does enjoy being this, but i don't know if he's going to be able to get out of this alive here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to run it with short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st?

can you see through their illusion going underground, can the man or the welcome act across software. all things are considered. i'm peter was about to mind you were discussing. you create the plan is go to greg. i mean, it's really interesting of, boris. uh, yeah, uh,

johnson came out with an article on the spectator titled that it's time to let ukraine join nato. and then in the, in the, i think the 1st paragraph or so we, uh, we need to, uh, to get you crate into nato. now what i mean now, okay, i mean, this is the biggest food on the international stage, and i'll tell you what's a very competitive stage these days. what is motivating him. we even have the head of the outgoing head self and bring them a nato even admit that this complex came about because of nato expansion. he admitted it's all public part of the public record. and, and, and, and the russians have made it clear that this is a, they said in this them before and if them bowl and they keep saying today that is a prerequisite to wrap this thing up here. but boards, johnson continues to do it. i mean, is he an ideological not case or is he just making a lot of money off of this? go ahead. it's not all i the or it's

a case of the employee. the guy is definitely showing side talk miserably challenged inside them for his career options, place employment. is that a run of a slow end of this particular retrospect? what do you use? trying to do is pro streisand self devise decision by gives of washington d. c. to carry enough body above for the career of barbara johnson to continue being a boss on the globe and stage, i mean, but this is purely a be awesome, but he's prepared to prostitute themselves to the water. because in order to do that, you know, steven, the problem that we face right now is that, i believe and move. you know that the, the, the real history of this will be written one day. is that a blinking newland sullivan. but they thought the same, the threats of a conflict, they thought the sanctions wouldn't work. they thought the international isolation

would work, but never really thought that a conflict would happen. and they were caught flat footed. and that's the reason why they've never had a plan. b stephen. i hope so, but that's comes with the presumption. they are rational, real politics from additions, who just won the victory, upset not to destroy their own countries in the process. so why see more when you have a dispatch in boynton, johnson, and the last case similar as those are that i would, i would call the human floss there, like the joke, or sometimes i think that the volume was the, was always preparing us for the events to come, remember all the catastrophic movies with the washington in your being destroyed and all of them being failed before 911. so i know when i look back in 2019 and the movie joke or i think of johnson i think of as i see, i think of people who did not get enough credit because they were bullied. oh god.

oh, god knows what kind of frustration they had, and now they are district paint a planet with a smile on their face. and the, this is, this is what i'm really afraid of. it's not on rationality. i thought even dr. strange, well kind of logic, it is a logical, a few even because that is one of the i always and trying to find some kind of a, a, a rational thinking, why are they saying so, but this is more than a blog because as you just mentioned, previously, they know for a fact that russia is not the last thing at the end of the day. so why are they promoting? why are they provoking ross at the response to rockets that will explode inside a russian? it is, lots, johnson is advocating for it is one of the last key is advocating for benefit. but as it says, the last, you know, that important. what is important is this, the dark elite behind stand behind

a chance of that behind these people who are, uh, i don't know what they're trying to do, but this is going beyond the real fall. i think this is going beyond politics. yeah . and be good and because it's at the end of the day, it said that everyone security is threatened everyone by doing this here. you know, on 31 of the things that i thought about during this, and i've been watching this situation since 2014, that's the beginning of this conflict here. that most western audiences are never exposed to. but i have always been, you know, bewildered how you would get this elite and in care of, supported by the wes willingly. you know, people say ukraine is a victim and i always say, well, no, it's a volunteer. they volunteered for this mission. this is an inexplicable to me and considering the results today. i mean it's, it's so will drink, but to add to it, all right,

you have europe going along with it to look at all of the elections across the board. i mean, schultz was, you know, he's happy that his party got half a point higher than a then is the alternative for germany. i mean, think about that 2 or 3 years ago, would you think that would be an election outcome in germany all through europe? i mean, what is going on here very much like what stephen was saying here. i just don't understand why people signed up to this because it's always to their detriment. what is ukraine gotten out of this? what is europe gotten out of this? we know a lot of arms makers made a lot of money from this. ok, fine. but everybody else and today they leaks with the when do these the so we can start out of this is their bank accounts still more they, they have a possibly to be working with states and to look up to the owners of masters in washington. that's what i get paid for, you're going to go parish after all this. the i'm just, you can go on the line. she gets

a good person. she comes over and sits on the board directors or to somebody in the or board of directors of authentic chickens beyond the same thing with the so called the premium. and i was there, i backed out of the 6 of 16, i left the gun position saying no, i will not be part of a student. i'm just doing my function, blood shit. and i saw how or shameful i was in his office. i was seen all these process, there's always going to purchase making to sell to that americans. and that's where is the door vs embassy. and to start off, that's what it was. they were selling it all directly. ukraine was the week to be praying, were selling their country off directly to the west and they were looking for that door. so whatever channel the choice that is, the biggest problem is they're thinking you're really thinking about their people. they think about those cells, that was a bigger situation here. and the same thing with the so called a lead to washington. they have the email, and then they had a practice with this unified to the story, russia from them brand new slab. what is the future rigging the 1985? so i do the sort of watches for the parks, so you get a part to use all the resources of

a rush. that's what they were plan was and they started it's going to happen in the 1st 3 months of this proxy war. they used to play a man, but it didn't happen. well, if i should stay in a good place, government russians, stronger than ever, the whole range is back camp, russia. i forget what i remember confusion all behind bridges broke and this was the result i didn't expect. and that's the categories are karma, the loss of the people are stuck from that is the biggest situation. people in europe are suffering. the price is arc sorry rockery. volkswagen has been jeremy mercedes leaving germany. great is total destroyed, and is going to be costing over $500000000000.00 to just to rebuild it. the west is not gonna remove it. i think that's the big question. what's the best way to resources and leave the point where we may find out. i mean, i suppose uh, by the time this program here is we may know more details, but i mean they're, they're banding about a trillion don't got another trillion dollars. it will take it in small bills. thank you very much. i mean, this is extraordinary here. you know, great there's,

you know, i actually, you know, before all of this happened in 2014 to the present. i used to go to ukraine a lot. and i really love ukraine, and i really enjoyed visiting kevin and meeting with ukrainian people. and i actually care a lot about the country to this day. and the only way ukraine is going to survive. europe is going to survive and the world is going to survive. and we go back to the helsinki idea of security indivisibility of security. that's the only way out. okay, and that is ensures that ukraine, at least in some form, will survive the past that the zalinski crowd is going down. a sure is that ukraine may face destruction, complete destruction. go ahead, greg, and sweep the butcher due to common sense. this is the problem. i mean, most of these people love, at least in china, is in heavy stilts above ones. and just look at the notes here. and that's

existence in the moment. that is a man's key greet uh to garbage of what i mean. ukraine's independence was absolutely lost at the meeting. so when he, when he was to go, it would be a type of the boss, which is why the, the always the observe is may have uh, do clients independence was all about. and i mean, but i think the, the issue now is a bit by the base like literally the existence as awesome. paula live rates late and you did all these people talking about like the, the dos a conference, a not in 45. and but, you know, i rush, it was on the lease and that was going to divide up, rush or off to it. say you don't live in reality. and i mean, that's like one of the things which is going to tell is as a lives he has done the,

i suppose, the right the front fine. but in the, the public can do. busy he believes that he is a subject and not object, all these games. and i mean his big bonding is getting a little bit too high for consulate for some of these people. so i mean, the volume of the, when you're trying and zalinski and the rest of the drugs, this is what the us us with the dentist i, i, i, this is what i tell when this was all beginning. i told a guy out of a good friend of mine, she has family and your credit is like, but you know that they're not fearful because america is on our side and they said they will dump you when it's appropriate when you're no longer are necessary. and it's happening right now. it's a statement, i think, what are the last minute here? because even i think the buying monthly administration wants to give a gift to

a potential trump administration. and that is this failed ukraine project. they just want to drop it in their lap and they'll say, see trump the last few. great. go ahead, steven. exactly. maybe that's the that was the reason why by then i was very and trump has what's on the more serious most uh my question is what comes next? because i think that is the last he's already a person of the box. he just got so he is award and the don't bat strong, his crumbling. what i'm thinking of in these a statement of atlanta available said does move always next to what is that supposed to mean? and it's very indicative of that. also, presidents, regardless of the cycle, said the, the have back when bell rose was marked the beginning more and more 3. so maybe these people are already talking about, of course, major people are already thinking about what comes next. well, steven, steven, i'm sure all of you and our viewers saw that last interview with victoria, new and in that smirk on her face. they got plans,

they still got big plans. we're gonna have to leave it there gentlemen. i want to thank my get some bells rate, basil, and since we've been of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our d. c. a next time. remember prospect rules the the the, the, or

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