the, the moscow accuses of washington and london bogging down the investigation of the north spring pipeline, sabotaged russia, says the west is fine to cover as israel bombs level non poor a 4th a day in a row now and the claims these are precise and strikes on the capital city they route, well in an exclusive interview to our, to the lebanese health minister shares what you see as israel attack, both main and indiscriminate, that's actually for the environment associated often and to cause mass exit is hungry issue with your progression against russia by any non nuclear states, but with the support of a nuclear states, is proposed to be considered as their joint attack on russia. and

a star warning it to the west president that lays on major changes to russia's nuclear doctor and suggesting the use of the weapons in response to new types of attacks, including missiles and from the live in moscow. i'm rachel ruble. this is r t international. it has been exactly 2 years since the nordstrom gas pipelines that were sabotaged and the culprits are still at large. russian intelligence has now accused washington and london of orchestrating of this information campaign over the attack. moscow says the west is trying to cover his tracks, bringing the investigation to a standstill, and it's all by design. since 2022, washington and london have been systematically trying to remove the topic of the node stream sabotage from the international information agenda. the russian foreign intelligence service has information about the decision taken in the united states

and great britain to implement on the eve of the next style of the 3 of the blogs. this information campaign to cover up the true purpose of the sabotage and its organizes. we got to remember the context image this all occurred. i mean, essentially the whole narrative from the west around these a tax on that orange team member. this is the biggest piece of energy infrastructure, probably ever built in europe. billions worth how to issue the environmental impact . first of all, you know, do we have green parties and governments all over europe who aren't shouting about the vast echo, you know, uh ecological disaster. the whole narrative has been almost comedic. the 1st it was russia that did it. we were told. yeah. russia yes. oh my yeah. instead like, you know like rush it belongs, its own nuclear power stations about sure. i also decided not to turn off the top of this multi $1000000000.00 scheme, which is exceptionally valuable to rush on to europe, of course. yeah. and then it was, you claim that and then this is the latest, the pedals narrative was that it was basically

a bunch of the ukrainians who got together over a few beer. yeah, they got drunk. right. let's get out on a small sale boat so, but you know, say 870 to 80 meters below the one of the most travail sees in the world very hazardous conditions and that's plant vast amounts of explosives on the concrete, in case pipelines. but it's worse than hollywood. it's was still in hollywood. it's a badly written comedy script. a, you know, i don't remember. it was something interesting the mike lynch's you off, which was 60 meters below the sea. we had the italian investigation of we're planning a very difficult to operate at these depths. this is the atanya navy. yeah. but the crane is managed in a rowing boat after a couple of beers to head down to the bottom of the baltic sea. again, the most survey of see on earth and below these pipelines of according to the version being circulated, a certain team of divers on some schooner laid a huge amount of explosives at a considerable depth and completely blew up the gas pipeline. this version is hard to believe it's more likely to entertain,

then sound convincing. most goes on alone and seeking the full truth behind the north stream, sabotage and questioning west to let in investigations. how many may i know that how many european countries french austrians was invested billions in the construction? it wasn't just a russian pipeline. it was a russian european and pipeline. yeah, this is a critical of critical importance when he examined the reality of the serious side of this. remember, the impact of february your, of your pain industry, the hard on the which is in germany from cheap, accessible, clean, unreliable, russian energy has had a vast impact on the economies of europe. and on the day to day lives of order. europeans were missing. and the new british government quoting as payments to pensioners for their heating bills, right stuff, because heating bills are going through the roof. this where the such an issue in germany. the key issue, jeremy, of course, is heavy industry. heavy industry was reliant on gas. and again, the maxim after the 2nd one more, you know, keep the russians though,

keep the germans down, keep the americans in. it's all part of that very strange reality. this is all happening now. and you've got great companies, the vast industrial giants like volkswagen sales looking for the 1st time in their existence about severing jobs, audi, german, heavy industries teetering on the brink of what is being called an economic collapse. and the lack of cheap energy is got a lot to do with it now. and besides heavy industry, we've also got some countries in europe who still maintains some sovereignty of opinion. at least i'm one of those is hungry. i'm hungry at the home, gary in the foreign minister also. that's something interesting to say of them. certainly is that after 2 years, no one has to say no seriously was initiative based on income because these socal investigations which are going on that are other you know, funding what kind of perception you have the most logical which allows things like this to happen without any kind of consequences, it seemed obvious that everyone knows what happened to tell, you know, we had

a lot of us love us. of course, the very quickly after this happened to talk to us. i mean, how a verse could that be. and, and so the deleting it, i mean, we all know that the elephant in the room here, you know, is wearing a stars and stripes. the overcoat. yeah. but it seems the victims are adamant that they just want this all to go away. is the client that nobody wants. so wanted to start the lawmaker from the alternative for germany. party reiner ross, us told r t. his nations government is shielding the true culprits, but focusing media attention on misleading narratives. after 2 years of such a major attack on our pipeline infrastructure, the greatest attack since world war 2, the government seems to be doing nothing. and so the government is making pressure to deliver some stories to the media, to distract the attention to deviate the attention of the german audience from the

stories that had been delivered a long time ago already by seymour hersh, indicating that the united states were behind the attacks, and of course the united states have a great interest in counseling infrastructure that come back to germany with russia like north street. joe biden announced it beforehand and now they need a plausible deniability federal public prosecutor in germany and has delivered a story which is not really incredible. it is impossible that a team off of hobby screwdrivers from the ukraine past reach to these points of explosions and using a sailing jost the told me to of the points are

100 kilometers from each other in distance. how can they achieve such a task? it's impossible, is it was impossible for the moraine divers of the german trying to reach the point of explosions at the north stream pipelines when the explosions happened 2 years ago. they had to stop del peroration. so how credible is it that they deliver hundreds of kilograms off explosives with it you asked students different points, bring them down there and make them do tonight. is just ridiculous. now to the middle east where the idea of says it has eliminated the hezbollah air force commander during a stripe on they roots, the militant group has not commented on whether mohammed who has same swore has in fact been killed. earlier. hezbollah did confirm that 2 of at the senior commanders

were assassinated along with 14 others in previous strikes. is really prime minister says his forces will press on with the assaults on 11 on this. during the flight, i approve the illumination of the head of the unmanned aerial vehicle unit and other things and he was eliminated my policy. our policy is clear. we are continuing to strike has below with full force. and we will not stop until we reach all our goals, chief among them to secure a return of northern residents to their homes. so the idea of claims to be carrying out precise strikes, but lebanese officials say civilians are being targeted is really more pines launched several missiles, causing an explosion in an apartment building and they route southern suburb of port only killing 2 people. israel has been bobbing at 11 on for a 4th day in a row with the death to rise until at least 569, and more than 1800 wounded. according to local officials. the escalation began last

week when mobile communication devices exploded across 11 on killing dozens of people and wounding thousands more. meanwhile, with has the law and the idea of exchanging fire across the border, some footage shows is really salters hitting the ground to drain a rock. it strikes the idea of has also announced it's telling up a number of reserved for gauge from military operations in the countries north. when that comes, as these really forces chief of staff has told trips to prepare for a possible invasion of 11 on the board of view, the goal is very clear to safely return the residents of the north. to achieve that, we are preparing the process of a new the, which means you'll military base. you'll maneuvering boots well into enemy territory. enter a valid that has the law has prepared his launch. military outposts with underground infrastructure staging points and launch pads and throughout territory . and carry out to tax on his riley civilians so far to reached out to lebanese house minister fire us, i'll be on for an exclusive interview,

who spoke in depth about the death toll of his country. man, after the disastrous, is rarely attacks as of last week as an escalator, its effects on level starting with the industry and indiscriminate attack on civilians, especially with the use of the exposing, explode, exploding communication devices. and then with the uh, black monday where we had uh, almost 600 and since the civilians who are including 140 women and children and almost 1800 uh inches. uh, including uh ask is a profession is workers including ambulance workers and others. um, uh and the, unfortunately, the cottage continues. uh they,

so up to now uh, almost the total number of people can, uh, by the explosions is more than $1300.00. the a civilian sort of individuals and up to now we have uh, an excess of, uh, one was $6.00 to $7000.00 to insure on monday it was direct targeting. so a lot of those civilians would, uh, and that homes when is it a soft if its indiscriminate attacks? and uh, we had seen that this was widespread into different agents of 11. i think that the in the main name of this indiscriminate fx is to spread a in vitamins, then of course, feed off status and to cause mass exodus, which is unfortunately what happened when we,

we witness that tens of thousands of families that left their homes in the nation and go to uh, mostly for the earlier we spoke with the lebanese problem at member who has held 3 ministerial post and says, the united states has done nothing to stop. is really a tax on levon on i this face they are, we've been hearing them that i made a gun investigation but think about that there would be a ceasefire and on immuno sees by at the end of that example, that's fine. but nothing happens. i think for the i might have done it as an administration is smaller, it limits in my mind to think that side that but i ain't just to say about lying i what about the blank this of spine, duplicate the muslim board? there's the board. there's an some of the last 2 ink deals, bedroom, but i think part of google more about the best and the same thing. essentially, an audio is happening here and live on the new i've been selling black on, on the floor, the days getting see really on the day for it. then they claim that they are on the

get legal, but there's or melisha law or 5 there's, but this is not through with the i getting everyone hundreds of thousands of leave i news they have to sleep from the south just live on on in 2006, they have to flee from the south of living on because only of us out of the fact that was and now the, i think everyone, even people then that'd be got. finally, they are trying to find other place to be able to secure. so it's really m as on the uh, i don't know. i think that the only is do is on the solution is not someone. so tasks of how they have 11, it's on the is that a list of them? i'm? this one is a united states of america that make an explanation. that is not the united smile, but they are not using the automatic blocking the thought they are talking about as it says, buyer by the mazda backs running is the whole system, douglas b, u has rejected what it calls,

threats by moscow. a day after bottom are put in announced a propos, overhaul our for our shows nuclear doctrine. the draft suggest using such weapons in response to new types of attacks on the country. a lady, let's see the in the updated version of the document aggression against russian by any non nuclear state. but with the support of a nuclear state is proposed to be considered as their joint attack on russia, russia. we'll also consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons when receiving reliable information about a massive launch by means of aerospace attack and the crossing of our state board. this includes strategic and tactical aircraft, as well as crews messiahs and drones, hypersonic, another delivery vehicles, prussia reserves, the right to use nuclear weapons in case of aggression, including if the enemy, using conventional weapons poses a critical threat. we reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in case of aggression against russia and bellows as a member of the union state. all these issues have been agreed with the,

the russian side and the president of millers, including if the enemy, using conventional weapons, poses a critical threat to us over and see what the bracket all down. the proposed changes would designate a strike on russia by a non nuclear power aided by a nuclear one as a joint attack. moscow also wants the right to use nukes in response to a large scale strike involving aircraft missiles and drones. plus the draft includes a nuclear collective defense cause in case russia's top ally beller. roofs comes under attack. the western media has been quick to react, calling the draft of doctrine, a direct warning to nato. this comes as washington mos allowing cab to use western supplied long range missiles to strike internationally recognized a russian territory. and all right, let's cross live now to discuss this with my panel of guests to bar of institute had alexander markovich and former senior british diplomats in proud good to have

you both on the program with us. and i'll start with you in this new document, president clinton has basically laid out what russia considers to be a threat to that could provoke a nuclear response is put in sending a message to the west. police say actually in full attendance, it's what russian days have been talking about football 2 weeks since stipulations mentioned about the division. that's the stone said amazing massage. it can be used in inside of ukraine and so on. so there's nothing actually actually new here. yeah, most of these have been talking about this that the some weeks in the build up these and aspects about possible constructs using west with weapons deep into kind of washington. so he said this, i think just k device. what is actually being quite a we discussed the reason makes alexander the us nuclear pastor doesn't actually outlined cases in which nuclear weapons can be used. but instead the sites extreme

circumstances in which us a vital interest than those of its allies and partners are threatened. so how different is this from the russian doctrine? i would say that's the russian doctrine is very specific. and actually, um, basically limits the use of nuclear weapons to an ex, essential threats of russia. but of course, on the life of the recent events, you're speaking about ukrainian, um terrorist attacks with drones deep into russian territory. but also the attacks on uh, russian demolition to pose we're from western guide. it's long waiting for weapons which has not happened before. so in the west there was always this talk about wind rush, so we'll finally see its red lines crossed. and if they are actually in fact, or if it's just the propaganda. but um, as russia has states, it's right now, it's very serious about these red lines. and actually all these drone attacks is

terrorist attacks, but also this long range rock, it strikes the pins russian territory. i see now be seen as the crossing of these red line sands will be dealt with accordingly. so i think it's a strong message to the so called um, yeah, international west that's from all on russia. once tolerates all these um texts in during the cold war, both the us and sylvia in the union had the shared experience of a global war. it to remind them of the consequences, of course neither country had such powerful weapons as, as they do today. but how do you think this influenced their decision making and on this, in the same hand, the current generation of leaders doesn't have that experience has not experienced that level of destruction. how does that affect the modern leaders willingness to risk escalating tensions?

of course of escape was between great powers. this was much more significant in the 20th century than it has been until just a lot. so you've seen it since we'll look at a new crane and certainly for the u. k. and the us actually kind of the, the kind of pace for leaders like winston, with some casual kinda tightly on her as need. and the way eisenhower is these people who buy select the countries, but also the grocery service streams and quite destructive was they had that experience. you know, what we have today, you know, escalate to see who's never been. so you petitions and you'd see that placed in terms of that decision making, their understanding insights, but also how they think about the privacy to the east by the bizarre forms. the 100 schools john. so recently where he was just insulting a budget as, as, as a tool of the plans he gave you, you really kind of feel that lack of experience in mobile ages. and the lack of that assessment is available. it's actually kind of taking what is a whole comfort to the board with the washer know tips and she needs

a level. it's really quite dangerous. alexander, we are also seeing attempts to either drag 30 part 3rd party contract countries into the conflict, or already claim that they are complicit. china is one example. before i ask you to respond to, i want to play a clip for it for you and our viewers to take a listen to you by any chance i. during his meeting with you, you for him. policy chief chose at burrell and new york from foreign minister when the stress that china holds in objective, in fair position on the ukraine crisis, works to de escalate the situation and sticks to making peace efforts. on china's efforts have been well recognized by the international community. countries that repeatedly shift blamed china are certainly not looking to cool down the situation and promote peace talks about god as to what they are truly for. i believe people will make their own judgment. so alex, under what role do you think 10 countries like china play to help deescalate

pensions? well, um, countries like china or other bricks countries, we're not taking part in this work and structure actually unable to take the role of an honest and bass the door in this conflict between the west and russia. and unfortunately, salma your total westland countries like switzerland for example, that's given up on this role in favor of escalation and style for it will actually be possible that china will actually, for example, already pro could the peace between um, iran and saudi arabia could also, i'm a cheese, i lost the peace between um russia and the west. but of course if this comes together or not lives totally on the side of the west since the west is um, continuing all of these um escalation policies. so only if the west is actually willing to do that, countries like china could play a big role in creating

a lost increase in the region. in the threat of mutually assured destruction really was a deterrent for both of us and the union. during the cold war, do you think today's politicians share that concepts and how does the immediacy of total destruction impacted the decision making? because i've seen the grim estimate that it's a mere minutes, that it would need be needed for a later to make the decision to launch nuclear weapons and then just over an hour before total destruction. yeah, i mean, i think just easy to share destruction with the concept that the merge at a time when the us and the soviet union was seeing is going to pay volume rules. and this is something that people information on the bachelor. i see the difference today is the, the west. yeah, they receive us as, as they have pay at least the bushes and much kind of small that can only go to basically militarily a country. but i can recognize that in fact, as a law,

just because it's a nuclear also in the well, just slightly bigger than the american also. so the understanding of the relationship between, you know, the states and last is different today that it was. and it was during the cold war and i think that's the is a substantial difference. the for the west, just things taken by the bushes of p. and i think that is really the crux of the problem. and why need is like a strong my job. i just continued to escalate, believing closely my view that ultimately washable redistributed through conventional meetings with the need for a new to escalation, which i think is a pulse calculation. alexander, one of our put and has said that russia has a right to respond to this dire threats against the country, even if it results in a global catastrophe. now, you mentioned earlier, the red lines that the west have continually crossed it for russia. so what do you think is, who is red line for nuclear weapons and you think the west is willing to cross it

as well? i sense otens. fred lines are actually those are i'm you just recently presented in the update of the russian nuclear doctrine. so from now on mass, the text with drones on the russian taja it's um, deep in russian territory. it will be seen as the crossing of such a line. but also for example, and i guess this is very important about the updates an attack on the country like the roof. um whether it has been speculations um since um the last months that the west is actually planning an attack on the roof and not i mean, carson intercourse on those people now also um spark um usually a response by russian and i think is only shows on the process now um a certain uh, dominance and just conflict because so far um roster was more or less um the benevolence um partner in this conflict were actually a just um the most done stood still when the west um escalated and escalated and

escalated. but now rushes giving a proper response to that and says, okay, if you are now trying to intervene in our civilization, those space and duration in bella russo and are trying to escalates to comment that the conflict by um, lots of it then we will um, go nuclear and i think this is very important because of course, the west is actually tempted to further and further escalates this conflict. the more lenient on the russian reaction is um, so all of this kind of western addresses. so therefore, i think i'm dis, updates of the rest of nuclear doc for non state just the president clinton was worrying poppies because it shows the west. now that's, this is the wary red line is not the last across and if it crosses it, then your response will be catastrophic from the west and your point. so,

and why do you think that and so it was necessary to include non nuclear threats on the list of conditions for nuclear weapons is i was just speak say that next year. so that's where the on the bus uniquely doctrine in fact. and you can buy it, so kind of military to get to the existence of the russian state was already there . but i think what this is done actually suggested me is to link the visas, conventional weapons by ukraine, you know, with nicki on powers of us using new kinds of folks in this conference. so any kind of, you know, the clip of the stuff you'll probably get mentioned, a car launched vehicles. that'd be like a storm settlement scope missiles. it mentioned categories themselves, cruise missiles, us control, christmas, also going to be station, jeremy, quite some missiles again with us, hopefully because the big that will be stationed in germany always is really doing is actually saying, well, you call and just use you train can afford to come by,

so we'll boil against our existence in the russian state. we recognize in new to own powers of participating, to be this conflict, to the position of weapons version of guidance systems, intelligence and so on. so i think that is a difference. you know, the conventional thing is actually the name. alexander, we will know the us has a long track record of attacking non nuclear states. what, what, what influences watson into washington, this decision making on, on, on attacking countries or not. they think that, that whether or not they have nuclear weapons isn't fact into terms. well, i guess it's a 50 times because so far, the united states didn't dare to directly intervene into this conflict. and unfortunately, we can remember the fates off the rock. we can remember the faith of libya and its leader, wilma. i got off the with both splitting countries. right. so we started developing

nuclear weapons in order to discharge the united states. but then underwear convinced by some y'all. shady promises by the west. then to give up this program and now we can see that the state, so in rooms and describes the costs of this weakness as the west thoughts. and therefore, i guess um your, your weapons are very important points, especially since ross has no nuclear power. number one in the world because it actually has hypersonic weapons. the u. s. is not able to shoot stone in the event often um, usually escalation and i guess um, even if you have this totally the range spends um ya scrupulous um west and the lead in brussels in washington and um, everywhere else, they actually know that if it comes to a nuclear escalation, that's they won't have so safe place to stay anywhere in the world. and i think

this is a huge difference in regarding to the young plans of the west all around the walls. also, in order to destroy russia, which has become obvious with the ukranian war and dev, thanks to it's nuclear potential. russia can actually to turn to west on from further escalating to situation. all right, thank you both originally but their former british diplomat and proud ends of our of institute had alexander markovich. thank you. all right and do stay with our team international. i'll be back with much more in about half an hour. i'll see you then bye. the the

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