[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter level. war has come again to 11 on israel's genocidal assault on gaza. has now spread to the north. in both cases, the, by the ministration has done nothing constructive to reduce and avoid conflict in the regions. the u. s. is the greatest enabler of israel's forever wars, the cross talking israel's forever wars, i'm joined by my guest, ramsey by rude in seattle is a palestinian author and journalist in brussels. we have the life of magnetic t is a veteran war correspondent and political analysts. and a baby we cross though we risk. he is a security and political affairs analyst are a gentleman,

cross stock rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate. let's go to our guest 1st in brussels. when i woke up this morning and of course i much more in the same timeframe is a west asia, we're living on israel and palestine is uh there was talk of a cease fire, a 21 days east fire a 7 day a piece of ceasefire. and all through the day and is i'm going to the studio to record this program with you gentlemen. that is off the board. this seems to be a pattern here. you know, we're on the one yard line for over a ceasefire and godsa. i mean, we all just being played here, i mean the old before but by didn't seem to fall forward again in his waning days of his presidency. go ahead and process. we've seen that before. i send this out in god's when because it in by then several times a brute of the rabbit, off he's had saying there is a ceasefire and we are very close to it. and then also that he said,

we don't accept an operation in rough. uh and then then yeah, i was playing on his fall right. ministers being v and small dredge is just taking any excuse for rejecting any proposal that he himself offered to president by then who came up and said this is an ad and he's really proposing and then from us accepted that the same game is happening now with that been done, but it's much more dangerous. there's something in common here that both the americans and these really wants to eliminate from us and a lot. nothing can happen in the middle east without the us improve. and therefore, again, we see the same game would be thing. it says that with the attempt to the vice principal from what's happening in palestine, because his beloved,

they didn't set it for a sci fi in guys all, nothing else. and again, there is a game now by from the gate. can you guys sing when we are coming close to a cease fire? accept and then stop between you and is right. and this is how the, the vice principal away from guys. this is not going to happen. ramsey, what, what is the strategy here? obviously, a starting october, 8th of last year has, will, uh, made it very clear that it was in a state of conflict with israel to success. we had the cross border showing almost every single day since then. and now israel is a ramped up the, the, the stakes here. is it because they're up there the feet. and i, you say that in a very kind of ironic way defeat in guys that because because it has been destroyed and it's people in misery. but is this part of the plan to, to shift attention away from the genocide that's still gone going every single day . and god, so go ahead, ramsey the civically. i mean i,

i agree with the assessment also owns of the guests from brussels. the idea that nothing in the middle east happens without american approval. in fact, i would go even a step further and say that the american foreign policy regarding garza know regarding living on is taking it from on is what the textbook. this is essentially and is what the american war, both sides have a lot to lose is a lose it so called the terrans. it's a game changer in the, in the middle east, the geo political consequences of the war. if these ones do not vote and israel's favors saver, and i don't think they are and i don't think the will is going to be earth shattering as far as american foreign policy in the region. and yes is, will, is the b 2 in gaza and it's defeated for americans that the americans own

assessments of what is defeat and victory out. wouldn't these kind of great of the war there is always just unable to achieve any opiates, objective, strategical or otherwise in gaza is what else is defeated. and now for the 1st time, perhaps in the history of the so called are, is what you to complete. we are discovering the limits of what the powerful is, what you, the military can, can do in terms of a political outcomes in terms of security outcomes in terms of geopolitical outcomes. so they aren't going to leave and on the whole thing that they would could use different results and by extension, blood pressure on how much in god's in other words, it's a word against him, but you don't or again slipping on, but rather the target audience of that war is garza and my extension was it'd be by deals. i'm some line humans that you walk isn't the whole beach it. yeah, i'll a, they a,

they is rarely so proven time and again that they can terrorize the civilian population . we saw that with the, the pagers and the walkie talkies. it was quite sickening to see the backers of israel, so joyful and gleeful about attacks on civilians. children were killed during that . all we can israel to feet has full of to the top, the surface of the law. it kind of slip serious damage. i guess 1st of all, there's no doubt about that the, the comment period. now i don't think that because of the law as witness china just like would say the page of information which we just refer to is something which the world has never see. these targeted assassinations, the story of bass is rated technology, so cost, blah, blah. suffice of already big charge, but being said, look at the declared items of nothing. you know, the spoken about the site per ton of the stuff is good at all. how does that shape that particular goal for hospitalization?

the p is in or has been sharp case of over the past few days. in fact, it's a gradually expanding it's 5 power and strength and it gets final power. and i think that's a deliberate strategy being employed by has the law. and i think one very important message, we can get it from because of the laws approaching the latest days of escalation. is that possible? what a play button up on, you know? who's going to be one, play, mike israel's rules of will. it will probably get started will just, which is why you're seeing, you know, these very carefully calibrated responses, because nothing was fun by beaching to drag because blah, into a somewhat rush. to get logical reaction i think is smaller than folding into this trap. so you're going to see more and more of the 3 across management of that more water to swap the way to go to goals and to keep the are just focused on is right on as being be a logical,

irrational stuff rather than just the law. it's got larger in brussels here we have this phrase, it takes everything about this complet coming from the united states. and israel is so uh orwellian. they have to deescalate, through escalation, can explain to me what that means because i have no idea. go ahead, but they not, this get a thing really. they talked about the patient. yeah. but they really all thoughts on the skid 18 by supplying these really 50000 tons of explosive and munitions age. right. is capable of waging war. busy on rap and on and on guys. because been here, i mean it's in yeah, i was told by his chief of staff or tv and he's defense minister you upcoming that they have no objective to fulfilling gods that because they fade to free the captives and to defeat from us. but it is about to survive and ultimate then. yeah

. and because the philistines are demonized, and because there is no value for human rights in that part of the world, because today is a very easy way for these really to cross all the lines and find it all into nice and those then it is enjoying and accountability to do anything, talking about us get ation or escalation. the just trying to justify these really crime against humanity was crime and it them of general side. what's happening in the me these today is a free hand to the beauty of them into these been, i mean that then yeah. who wants to survive at the expense of the life of the philistines and the needs and wants to remain impala because the tracking by is far right wing, members of the cabinet. that if he stops the war in guys overlapping and then they were leaving and,

and the coalition and the survival of one man at the end of october 2026 is costing tens of thousands of slides and the american scale. but it also, but we also did keep in mind that we even way nothing you know, who goes design is project continues unabated with american supports unfortunately of read. so, you know, i come across a phrase recently that i think is very interesting to kind of characterize what's going on in that part of the world. the, all the kind of mentioned it. but this is a moral attrition. and who can win that battle of moral attrition? has a mouse is still standing, has the law is still standing? the violence isn't going to destroy them. but what they have is they have a moral code and they have a, a sense of being in fighting this kind of violence and, and, and, and wrong terrorism. go ahead in seattle. i love that are more attrition indeed. i

mean the moral attrition has been taking place in the middle east for a long time. this is what richard polk, of the former united nation. yeah. look forward to in palestine research to as the legitimacy were. and he made an argument once in an interview i conducted with him in which he argued that no one in the history of national liberation movements has ever won the village of the msu war that ultimately lost the war. you, when the legitimacy will you, when the war and the palestinians, and now they've been use all, we need the legitimacy war. and this is right in inquiry as well. and i'm going to go again, you know what eli had said was very interesting. but i feel like this constant attachment between them, you know, and his job and his completion it's, it's a little bit kind of up it's, it's politically new once correctly. but thank you look, when he still remembers what has happened. 203040 years from now. they're not going to get back to the all his job they're going to talk about is on this project that has, which are wrong,

a country that feels that it's losing its ability to keep its neighbors ensure and an imperialist american power that is in a state of complete panic, that is what's moved to be remembered and how mazda inches below, we might be mixing with the names and look for jennifer. ok. whereas they don't hold that the, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on israel's forever war. stay with our team, the when i would show the wrong just to save house, to come after care and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look so common ground

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which is the one you ended up to attempt to collect at the exit amount apache sat there for the show and then it will be a job to bluff. it goes in and out of it is uh, excuse us for the defense of 2 separate the setup button and the printer in person wants to do lives. it ask me what times if i see the media, i know people, there's only 2 reason to do, say, with the city video country each of us can be presented as forwarded through money order work. it stimulates the industry to it'll what's money will funnel sales really laughed. so should william farmer shots might give us who we have good cash door to go over? what decision did my name and what was that man? it was a what was that ridiculous funds?

i put in the midst of them one today and bunch of deluxe. i've also left for an additional to settlement shows a 2nd shot. jim was impatient, beautiful. she's getting the best. do what i mean. there's a push out the welcome act across that were all things are considered. non peter live l to menu, we're discussing israel's forever wars. the is go to our guest and a root alley. one of the things that i've been observing over the last year or so is reflecting upon how israel has been able to divide and conquer its neighbors to through sectarianism, supporting various terrorist groups. i mean it's, it's got its hands and, and every single part as it were. but ever since october of last year, there seems to be

a remarkable unification of various different groups that made different different a different on many points. but there is a co, a, there are coalescing around the, the absolute need of there's power in numbers. and i think that's something that the united states was beginning to fear because, you know, you can buy off this kingdom. you can pay off that president and, and if you, i think the list will listen to what king hussein had to say, am jordan at the united nations. now there was a very power for words. i'm not sure how powerful he is, but those are words for many people to appreciate. go head alley. well, actually this links up with what i was going to comment on regarding the design of the project, which was raised by my colleagues. it's true. the point is where the governments have us on this project, but i think the issue have to focus on with the whole government. and when these extreme right wing stickers, like smoke bridge, i've been lucky. there's that they actually upset to have the deal reset back for american strategy,

and they are making israel of keywords of burden to the wish. i'd also make use right along the, like a variety of sites. so the smart being government, you know, yes, it does have all these ready government stuff, their homes on this project. but this one is sold a lot sort of racist, asked to expose before making is really much as this, you know, per site gets also struck big. again, this is very important gifts of trusting american strategy, american strategy in the region. the bottom restoration, particularly the democrats, is for obviously, you know, to have a month with, well, they told me, i am multiprocessing and i thought i'd be normally more lines i sometimes between saudi arabia and israel. the eastern democratic parties approach one think is ready, fall writers doing is actually the names should be applauded, was that his whole american project, but finding it appears to be saw in the same circle that's doing damage itself to these american interests. so you know,

they're in so that takes me back to your question. i think that because of this government because it sort of racist because of the remarks which we have for people like you have to go on to speak about here to my animals. that is, i think the effect of uniting the harp street, you know, i think for example, it's amazing. she has yet around the same cause about this sort of thing. what is taking place right now at payment? those countries vermont, have their own differences? went from us like jordan, like the way the, because of the outcry from the public the day you want to be forced, at least in time, to change the policy. and if you're going to have been, somebody has to be this recently he said, he said they wouldn't be normalize all your sites as long as, as long as this coming situation continues. so this tells you how much damage this is where the government is doing to your whisking chris. i'm to use frame itself either takes me back to what ones or colleagues said about them, you know, focusing will put in the priority on his own personal ambitions. instead of his

reverence earning 1st one of the all. so the things that i think this uh, the way the conflict in the region is unfolding is that a netanyahu and it needs far right? wingers. this is all an opportunity for them that this is an opportunity. you have a president of the united states. it is checked out. you have a u. s. secretary of state that seems full way on board with the israeli government . it's an agenda. anthony, blinking is a, is a shameful character and it's nothing. yeah. who sees, you know, this has the opportunity to take care of all problems at the same time. and that makes it very big. and this has a next, a central view because you know, the united states as shown itself to be shamelessly weak. so this is what makes this so dangerous. go ahead and brussels. it was before the jump on me and nobody's, nobody's jump and the guy the actually, the 4th is 4 of the philistines,

because these treaties extremely honest with they're not the 77, very good validate who's writing. we don't want them a need, but his team. yeah. right, a button is right, the presence of any but his team in visit danger to all nice and the security. not do you not if you treat most of the 11995 also to 1999. nothing's happened. they should have been given a state and yet the americans with that and did nothing for that. so what's happening today is the oldest objective of the base, right? to kick out, or they put a standing in front by this time. they don't want the witness, but the history that they have done again to proceed in the misstep as they have committed against them. they want to expand this as wives further than the trump said, all the countries. so timing, he wants to involved. yes,

he's taking the feeling all these really is one, the great the age. right. so he is really don't want any one with them. no, they don't. even the police genius slaves, they consider the other ones. that's why them them out and be americans also thinking that they have never ceased to support these right in or it's just, you know, it rams. it's apparent this week at the united nations general assembly where the united states stands in global public opinion. but it doesn't seem to have an impact on them. you know, a pack is powerful, money talks, what is it? bob dylan said, money doesn't talk in screens. okay. but they stand alone on the global stage. it's really very shameful and it will have long term consequences. the legitimacy of the west and the ice of the world is just about 0. now go ahead. i don't even know if it is much legitimate thing that's for the west, especially the mounted states. after that goes under the side,

i don't think if this is just the missing will ever be, it is stored under any circumstance. again, i do believe that the american is what e. a policies for policies are essentially the same. the proof to that is that we phone came and you basically still have the will of the genie brandon is what any wishes in the west bank. and so you have to go that hides the annexation and so forth. the by just administration did not to reverse a single thing, right. and they continued to push the normalization between the ups and is, will completely surpassing the pedestal news and not the reversing any of the steps taken by the term, but ministration. this proves that democrats, republicans essentially the same if the new government is indeed creating any kind of disturbance in american foreign policy. it's just because they are refusing to play the game by the old rules, do whatever you want,

but just pay lip service to piece. so we can move on and just pretend that there's a piece process and i am the one who's managing this piece process in the region. let them you know, and it is still or so arrogant that they wouldn't even grant. and they're like, well, i mean, donald trump even said on the campaign trail he wants to make is real great. again, i don't know what that has to do with a mag agenda. i'm just completely lost here. yeah. only one of the things that we're seeing here, and i, i'm hoping against hope, is that we see what was being, what's being done in gaza. be getting to start in the west bank. is that something that you worry, that is real, wants to do to lebanon? the comments on the mike comedy, just sort of the difference between democrats and republicans. i think that generally speaking, yes, you do have this top right support because well, there is one fundamental difference, not one of especially when you could trump. the democrats should focus on having my tele city and moderate talk about us, you know,

thought that you did recognize the role for that top republicans, especially the trump wing of the republican body. doesn't recognize the top. if you're a coal join, it comes to the p o o office in washington was shot there. yep. so that's the meaning. there was no consistency between the one trunk. and that is probably one of the reasons why not the whole because the trunk to come in to us because you don't believe that trump weren't even as lovely. raise the issue. i'm a city and state not regarding what you're asked about the west bank. i think that is indeed a real danger and i think that's where the ambitions of the far right lights are. the logically speaking the whole according to the fundamentals designers funding energy. the work site is where the focus is on. yeah. not on god, anywhere else. so i think we are bound to see more and more of the stipulation, especially the warning delta the general is going to should, continues elijah, is widely assumed. you know, because you hear things coming out of the israeli government and preparing for

a ground war and lab and on. there's maybe a ceasefire. know there won't be a ceasefire. we, this is this game. they always sending out these mixed messages. but how assured are you that if the push comes this of the u. s. will involve itself heavily into conflict in lebanon, and go ahead there is no conflict that is right. and america on the top, and that's at the beginning of the war. on the 7th of october, the american sent 2000 of the data, the whole says they've since 5 varying expedia in general, is a little fact that the 3 days of sent us central command. they exchange with our nato and the united states, the information intelligence and or level of cooperation between all of them. therefore, we talk to us, there is no

b edy's realty's doing exactly what the americans would like to head every single assassination of a has blocked demand. they say wanted by the americans, 5000000 rewards on his head. so that is to justify that what we are doing is we are doing the american jobs. in fact, they not doing the american job, they doing it together. and the glock invasion 50 is not the problem with that. so these are really all mean they going to break that these all done any job, but i'm in or in the big valley because this is not an easy task to do that would be confronted with forces that have never been engaged in this will since the 7th of october because the special clauses austin, not the correction, and this will only be solved units have been working again. these relays and entirely a bit of the nissan units. we haven't seen the specialized one,

we've seen only one ballistic. besides, we haven't seen more than that, so the war has not began from high school by side. and i think these relays, they are very capable, but they, but they will do a favor for the hesper lobbies so they can become an easy part of it. instead of find things physical, the only a from the way and give it to you that way they have something where we're rapidly running out of time. but i think that, you know, we see our audience should be aware technology doesn't always win your wars, having more legitimacy put you in a much, much stronger place. and i think we all know who has the moral legitimacy in this case here. gentlemen, that's all the time we have on a think, my guess in seattle process, russel's and in bay road. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember prospect the

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