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hello and welcome to cross talk, where all things are considered on peter level. war has come again to 11 on israel's genocidal assault on gaza. has now spread to the north. in both cases, the biden ministration has done nothing constructive to reduce and avoid conflict in the region. the us is the greatest in nature or of israel's forever wars, the cross knocking israel's forever wars. i'm joined by my guest, ramsey by rude in seattle is the palestinian author and journalist in brussels. we have the eliza magnetic t is a veteran, war correspondent and political analyst, and a baby we cross though we risk. he is a security and political affairs analyst are a gentleman, cross stock rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate. let's go to our guest 1st in brussels. when i woke up this

morning and of course i much more in that same time frame is a west asia, we're living on israel and palestine is there was talk of a ceasefire. are a $21.00 days east fire a 7 day, a piece of ceasefire. and all through the day and is i'm going to the studio to record this program with you gentlemen. that is off the board. this seems to be a pattern here. you know, we're on the one of the yard line for over a ceasefire and gaza. i mean, we all just being played here. i mean the old before, but bible seem to fall forward again and as waning days of his presidency, go ahead and process as we've seen that before. it's a vision in god's when because it in by then several times a brood of the rabbit off he's had saying the agencies fire and we all bake let us do it. and then after that he said, we don't accept an operation then rough. uh and then then yeah,

it was playing on his far right. ministers being the motor, it is just taking any excuse for rejecting any proposal that he himself offered to president by then who came up and said this is an admin is really proposing. and then from us accepted it, the same game is happening now with that being done. but it's much more dangerous. there's something in common here that both the americans and these really wants to eliminate from us and has a lot not they've done happened in their lives without the us improve. and therefore again, we see the same game would be thing that said that with the attempt to the vice principal from what's happening in palestine because his beloved, they didn't save for a ceasefire in guys all, nothing else. and again, there is a game now by from the u. k. can you guys saying we are coming close to

a cease fire? accept and then stop between you and is right. and this is how the vice principal away from guides. uh, this is not going to happen. oh ramsey, what, what is the strategy here? um, obviously uh, a starting october, 8th of last year has will uh, made it very clear that it was in a state of conflict with israel to success. we had the cross border showing almost every single day since then. and now israel is a ramped up the, the, the stakes here. is it because they're of their defeat. and i say that in a very kind of ironic way defeat in guys that because because it has been destroyed and it's people in misery. but is this part of the plan to, to shift attention away from the genocide that's still gone going every single day . and god, so go ahead, ramsey the civically. i mean i, i agree with the assessment also of the guest from brussels. the idea that nothing

in the middle east happens without the american approval. in fact, i would go even a step further and say that the american foreign policy regarding garza and know regarding live in on is taking it from on is what any textbook. this is essentially and is what the american war. both sides have a lot to lose is very lose. it's so called the terrans. it's a game changer in the, in the middle east, the geo political consequences of the war. if these ones do not go in israel's favors favor and i don't think they are, and i don't think the will is going to be earth shattering as far as american foreign policy in the region. and yes is, will, is the b 2 in garza and it's defeated for americans that the americans own assessments of what is defeat and victory out. wouldn't these kind of great of the

war there is always just unable to achieve any of its objective, strategical or otherwise in gaza is what else is defeated. and now for the 1st time, perhaps in the history of the so called are, is what you to complete. we are discovering the limits of what the powerful is, what you, the minutes, or we can, it can do in terms of political outcomes in terms of security outcomes in terms of geopolitical outcomes. so they aren't going to leave. and on the whole thing that they would use different results and by extension, but the pressure on how much in god's, in other words, it's a word against him, but you don't or again, sleeping on. but rather the target audience of that war is garza and my extension was it'd be by deals and some line human that you walk isn't the whole beach. yeah, i'll a, they a, they is rarely so proven time and again that they can terrorize the civilian population. we saw that with the, the pagers and the walkie talkies. it was quite sickening to see the backers of

israel, so joyful and gleeful about attacks on civilians. children were killed during that . all we can israel to feet has full of to the top, the surface below it kind of slick, serious damage. i guess because of a lot of these the, the, the, the current period. now i don't think that the 1st block has with these challenges, like would say the page of information which we just refer to as something which the well as mega see these targeted assassinations. the story of bass is ready to technology. so cost, blah, blah. suffice of already big charge, but being said, look at the declared items up on the, on the spoken about the site per ton of the substance. good at all. how does that fit the sheet? that particular goal for hospitalization, the, the, is getting or has been shot. okay. so the over the past few days, in fact it's a gradually expanding its fire power and strength and it gets fire power. and i

think that's like deliberate strategy being employed. wife is the law and i think one very important message we can get it from because of the laws approach. and the latest days of escalation is accessible. what a play button up on, you know? who's going to be one, play, mike, israel's rules of will? it will play whiteside will just which is why your see, you know, these very carefully color great as responses because nothing was planned by beach and to drag because belong to a somewhat rash, a logical reaction. husband oh i think it's smaller than folding into this trap. so you're going to see more and more of the 3 cross management pop that go in order to see what these way to go. goals and to keep the art start because on israel as being be a logical, irrational type stuff rather than just the law. it's got larger in brussels here we have this phrase,

it takes everything about this complet coming from the united states. and israel is so uh orwellian, they have to deescalate, through escalation, can explain to me what that means because i have no idea. go ahead. but they not, this get a thing really. they talked about the exemption. yep. but they really all thoughts on the skid 18 by supplying these really 50000 tons of explosive and munitions age. right. isn't capable of waging war on that, but on and on guys, because been here, i mean, it didn't. yeah. i was told by his chief of staff or tv and he's defense minister. you are kind of that they have no more objective to fulfilling cause that because they fade to free the captives and to defeat from us. but it is about the survival of video. and because the philistines are demonized, and because there is no value for human rights, and that's also the word because there is

a very easy way for these really to cross all the lines and violate or what you did, not for those. then it is enjoying and accountability to do anything talking about the escalation or escalation. the just trying to justify these really crime against humanity was crime and a den of general side. what's happening in the me these 2 days is a free hand to the beauty of them into these been i mean that and you know who wants to survive at the expense of the life of the philistines and the needs and wants to remain in bala. because it's wrapped in by his father, right wing, members of the cabinet that if he stops the war in guys overlapping and then they were leaving him and, and the quotation and the survival of one man. at the end of october 2026 is costing tens of thousands of slides and the american scale, but also,

but we also did keep in mind that we even way nothing you know who goes design is project continues unabated with american support unfortunately of read. so, you know, i come across a phrase recently that i think is very interesting to kind of characterize what's going on in that part of the world. the, all the kind of mentioned it. but this is a moral attrition. and who can win that battle of moral attrition? has a mouse is still standing, has blah is still standing. the violence isn't going to destroy them. but what they have is they have a moral code and they have a, a sense of being in fighting this kind of violence and, and, and, and wrong terrorism. go ahead in seattle. and i like that's are more attrition indeed. i mean, the more latricia has been taking place in the middle east for a long time. this is what uh,

richard polk of the former united nation. yeah. look forward to in pod is done before. so as the legitimacy were. and he made an argument once in an interview i conducted with him in which he argued that no one in the history of national liberation movements has ever won the village of the most. you war that ultimate, the loss of the war you, when the legitimacy will you, when the war and the pedestal use and know they've been use all, we need the legitimacy war. and this is right in inquiry as well. and i'm going to go again, you know what eli had said was very interesting. but i feel like this constant attachment between them, you know, and his job, but his completion it's, it's the little bit the full welcome back. one as well. and phones garza and 11 on prime minister benjamin netanyahu is the liberal,

gonna speak to the un general assembly in new york. so let's listen in life. the mr. president and ladies and gentlemen, i didn't intend to come here this year. my country isn't more fighting for its life, but after i heard the lies in flanders leveled at my country by many of the speakers at this podium, i decided to come here and set the record straight. i decided to come here to speak for my people to speak for my country

to speak for the truth. and here's the truth is real sweet space is real. yours for peace. israel has made piece of will make peace again. you had, we say cyber genovese, we'll see it all in our lation. we must defend ourselves against these savage murders. our enemies see not only to destroy us, they seek to destroy our common civilization and return all of us to a dock age of tyranny. inter. when i spoke here last year, i said we face the same type of choice. the moses put before the people of

israel thousands of years ago. as we were about to enter the promised land. moses told us that our actions will determine whether we bequeath to future generations, a blessing or a curse. and that is the choice we face today. as the curse of the ron's unremitting aggression or the blessing of a historic reconciliation between arab and you. in the days that followed that speech, the blessing i spoke of, came into sharper focus on normalization deal between saudi arabia and israel seemed closer than ever. but then came the curse of october 7th, thousands. it'll be rainy and back from us, there was from god, burst into israel and pickup trucks on motorcycles and they committed unimaginable

atrocities. they savagely murdered 1200 people. they raped and mutilated women. they'd be headed men. they burn babies of life. the birds entire families alive, babies, children, parents, grandparents and scenes, reminiscent of the nazi holocaust. how much good up? 250. 1 people for dozens of different countries, dragging them into the dungeons of gaza. israel is brought home a $154.00 of these hostages, including a $117.00. we turn to live. i want to assure you we will not rest until the remaining hostages are brought home to and some of their family members are here with us today. i ask you to stand up. the with this with this is ellie stevie who's sunny dunn was abducted from the nova music festival that wasn't scored

a music festival. and these murder, it's monster, is still kept colby's vernal, whose son jonathan was murdered in his corpse. his corpse was taken into the dungeons into the terms of god, a corpse held hostage, a solid email address, whose brother mohammed, a brave arab israeli soldiers was murdered. his body too was taken 2 guys off. and so as the body of you for a time is daughter in bar was brutally murdered at that same music festival with us as jerome chalabi, whose brother yesterday was murdered at appraise. for his older brother, eli was still held hostage in garza and where there still is, these are lifted from keep what's new. oh is that kid boats that was wiped out by the terrorist? factually we achieved the release of his mother. you'll have it. but his father

will did, is still languishing in an underground terrorist hill. i'm from us. i can promise you. we will your turn, your loved one, so we will not spare that effort until this holy emission is accomplished. the ladies and gentlemen the curse of october 7th, the gun when come us invaded israel from gaza. but it didn't, under israel assumed, forced to defend itself on 6 more waterfront, organized by ron october, 8th, cuz butler attacked us for 11 since then. they fired over $8000.00 rockets at our

towns and cities at our civilians at our children. 2 weeks later, the round backs quote, these in yemen, launch drones and missiles that israel, the 1st of $250.00 such attacks, including one yesterday and to tell a be wrong she had malicious in syria, in the rock, have targeted israel dozens of times over the past year as well. the fuels by iran, palestinian terrorist and julian, some area perpetrated scores of attacks there and throughout israel and last april. for the 1st time ever. you're wrong directly attacked israel from its own territory, firing 300 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles with us. i have a message for the tyrants up there on. if you would strike us, we will strike you. there is no place

the there is no place to the wrong that the long arm of israel cannot reach. and that's true of the entire but least far from being lambs led to the slaughter. israel soldiers, it brought back with incredible courage and with a rogue sacrifice. and i have another message for this assembly and for the world outside the soul. we are waiting. 2 ladies and gentlemen, is israel defends itself against the wrong and the 7 front war. the lines blessing and the curse could not be more clear. this is the map i presented here last year. it's a map of

a blessing. it shows as well as role and it's uh, partners for me, the land bridge connecting asia and europe between the indian ocean and the mediterranean sea. across this bridge, we will la rey, lines, energy pipelines, fiber optic cables. and this will serve the betterment of 2000000000 people. now look at this 2nd map. it's a map. look at the 2nd map. it's a map of occurs. it's a map of an arc of terror that iran has created and imposed from the indian ocean to the mediterranean. your winds will lift that arc as shut down international waterways. it cuts off the rate, it destroys millions, the storage nations from within,

and then flips misery and millions on the one hand on the one hand, a bright blessing of future volts, on the other hand, a dark future of despair. and if you think this dark map is only of course for israel, if you fix that, then you should think again because the bonds aggression, if it's not checked, will endanger every single country in the middle east. and many, many countries in the rest of the world, because you've on 6 to impose it's radicalism. well beyond the middle east. that's why it fonts turn networks on 5 continents. that's why it builds ballistic missiles for nuclear warheads to threaten the entire world. for too long, the world disappears the wrong. it turns a blind eye to it's an internal repression. it turns a blind eye to its external aggression. well that a piece was less and, and that

a piece but must, and now the nations of the woods. the people of yvonne wants to rid themselves of this evil regime. responsible governments should not only support as well enrolling back your bonds, aggression they should join as well. they should joiners role in stopping it laws, nuclear weapons program this body and the security council. we're going to have a deliberation in a few months. i call on the security council the snap back human security council sanctions against the wrong. because we must all do everything in our power to ensure that the wrong never gets nuclear weapons. for decades,

i've been warning the world against the winds nuclear program. our actions delayed this program by perhaps a decade, but we haven't stopped it. we've delayed it, but we haven't stopped it enough seats to weaponized its nuclear program for the sake of the peace and security of all your countries. for the sake of the peace and security of the entire world, we must not let that happen. and i assure you as well, we'll do everything and it's bar to make sure it doesn't happen. so ladies and gentlemen, the question before us is simple. which of these 2 maps that i showed you will shape our future? will it be the blessings of peace and prosperity for israel are our partners and

the rest of the world overland be the person which yvonne and its prophecies spread . carnage and chaos everywhere. as well as already made its choice, we have decided to advance the blessing or were building a partnership for peace with our neighbors. while fighting the forces of terror that threatened that peace. for nearly a year, the brave men and women of the idea of the vin, systematically crushing her mazda is terror. army that once ruled garza, on october 7th, the day of that invasion into his room, that their army numbered nearly $440000.00 service. it was armed with more than $15000.00 rockets. it had 350 miles of tara tunnels and the underground network, bigger than the new york subway system, which they used to recover above and below ground. a year later, the idea is killed or captured,

more than half of these terrace destroyed over 90 percent of the rocket arsenal and eliminated the key segments of their to are tunnel networks in major military operations. in major military operations, we destroyed nearly half of hamas has started nearly all of hamas, his daughter battalions, 23 out of 24 battalions. now to complete our victory, we are focused on mopping up how mazda is remaining fighting capabilities. we're taking out senior terrace commanders and just joining remaining douglas infrastructure. but all the while, all the while. and i'll say this one more time. we remain focused on our sacred vision, bringing our hostages home. and we will not stop until that mission is complete. now ladies and gentlemen,

even with promises greatly diminished military capability. as the terrorist still exercised some governing power, garza by stealing the food that we enable a ad agent so that we enable agencies to bring into guys, come us deals, the food and then they hike the prices. they feed the bellies and then they fill their coffers with the money that they'd start from their own people. they sell the store phone and it's job exorbitant prices. and that's how they stay in part. well this to pass through and, and we're working to bring it to an end. the and the reason is simple because of the most days and power it will regroup,

we arm and attack as well again and again and again, as it is about to do. so how much as got to go just imagine for those who say, well, some us us the state, it has to be part of a postwar garza imagine in a post war situation and will your to imagine allowing the defeated nazis in 1945 to rebuild germany, it's inconceivable. it's ridiculous. it didn't happen then it's not going to happen . no, the, this is why israel will reject any rules for from us in a postwar garza, we don't seek to resettle guys, or what we seek is a demilitarized and di radicalize garza only that. only then can we ensure that this round to fighting will be the last, well no flight in or we are ready to work with the regional and other partners to

support a local civilian administration. and guys are committed to peaceful coexistence. as for the hostages, i have a message for the from us captive. let them go, let them go. all of those alive today must be returned alarm. and the remains of those whom you brutally killed must be returned to their families. those families here with us today, and others in israel desert to have a rustic place for their loved ones, a place where they can grieve and remember that this war ladies and gentlemen, this war can come to an end. now, all that has to happen is for a mazda so render, laid down its arms and released all the hostages. but if they don't,

but if they don't, we will fight until we achieve victory. total victory, there is no substitute for it. israel most also defeats because by law in loveland, on cuz by law is the quintessential to organization in the world today. it has a tentacles that span in all confidence. it is voted more americans and more frenchman. then any group except been lot of it's murder, the citizens of many countries represented in this room. and it is a tact israel viciously over the last 20 years in the last year, completely on approval, day after from us massacre on october, 7th, has bought up the gun attacks against israel,