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the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter level. war has come again to 11 on israel's genocidal assault on gaza. has now spread to the north. in both cases, the by the administration has done nothing constructive to reduce and avoid conflict in the regions. the us is the greatest enabler of israel's forever wars, the cross talking israel's forever wars. i'm joined by my guest ramsey by rude in seattle. he is a palestinian author and journalist in brussels. we have the life of magnetic t is a veteran war correspondent and political analyst and a baby. we crossed the i'll we risk. he is a security and political affairs analyst are gentlemen cross stock rules and effect,

that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate. let's go to our guest 1st in brussels when i woke up this morning and then of course i much more in that same time frame as a west asia were living on israel and palestine is there was talk of a cease fire, a 21 days east fire a 7 day, a piece of ceasefire and all through the day and is i'm going to the studio to record this program with you gentlemen. that is off the board. this seems to be a pattern here. you know, we're on the one yard line for of where a ceasefire and gaza, i mean, we all just being played here. i mean the old before and, but by didn't seem to fall forward again. and as waning days of his presidency, go ahead and process as we've seen that before. so there's just a god. when does it in by then several times that brought all the robert off. he's had saying the agencies fire and we are very close to it. and then also that he

said, we don't accept an operation in rough. uh and then then you know what's going on. he's far right. ministers being v and small dredge is just taking any excuse for rejecting any proposal that he himself offered to president by then who came up and said this is an admin is really proposing and then from us accepted that the same game is happening now with that being done, but it is much more dangerous. there's something in common here that both the americans and these. busy really wants to eliminate from us and by law, not they den happens indemnities without the us improve and therefore again, we see the same game would be thing that said that with the attempt to the vice principal from what's happening in palestine. because his beloved being instead of full a ceasefire in god's old, nothing has and again there's

a game now by from the u. k. can you guys saying what we are coming close to a cease fire? accept and then stop between you and is right. and this is how the, the vice principal of the away from guides. uh, this is not going to happen. oh ramsey. what, what is the strategy here? um obviously uh a starting october, 8th of last year has will uh, made it very clear that it was in a state of conflict with israel to success. we had the cross border showing almost every single day since then. and now is really was a ramped up the, the, the stakes here, is it because they're of their defeat. and i say that in a very kind of ironic way defeat in gasoline because because it has been destroyed and it's people in misery. but is this part of the plan to, to shift attention away from the genocide that's still gone going every single day . and god, so go ahead, ramsey the civically. i mean i,

i agree with the assessment also owns of the guess from brussels. the idea that nothing in the middle east happens without the american approval. in fact, they would go even a step further and see the american foreign policy regarding garza and know regarding live in on is taking it from on is what any textbook. this is essentially and is what the american war, both sides have a lot to lose is very lose. its so called the terrans. it's a game changer in the, in the middle east. the geo political consequences of the war is these ones do not go in israel's favors saver, and i don't think they are. and i do think the will is going to be earth shattering as far as american foreign policy in the region. and yes is, will, is the be to in gaza and it's defeated the american, the,

the americans own assessments of what is defeat and victory out. wouldn't these kind of great of the war there is always is unable to achieve any of its objective, strategical or otherwise in gaza is what else is defeated and now for the 1st time, perhaps in the history of the so called or is what you to complete we are discovering the limits of what the powerful is, what the military can can do in terms of political outcomes in terms of security outcomes in terms of geopolitical outcomes. so they aren't going to leave and on the whole thing that they would could use different results and by extension . but the pressure on how much in goes, in other words, it's a war against him, but you don't or again, sleeping on. but rather the target audience of that war is garza and my extension was it'd be by deals and some line humans that you walk isn't the whole beach. yeah, i'll a, they a,

they is rarely have proven time. and again that they can terrorize the civilian population. we saw that with the, the pagers and the walkie talkies. it was quite sickening to see the backers of israel, so joyful and gleeful about attacks on civilians. children were killed during that . all. we can israel to feet has full of to the top, the surface of the law. it kind of slip serious damage. i guess because of a lot of these, the, the, the, the current period. now i don't think that the principal has with these challenges, like we've see the page of information which we just refer to as something which the world has never see. these targeted assassinations, the story advanced is ready to technology. so possible on both sides of already big charge. but being said, look at the declared items up on the, on the spoken about the site per ton of the stuff is good at all. how does that shape that particular goal for hospitalization?

the, the is getting or has been shot. okay, so the over the past few days, in fact it's a gradually expanding its fire power and strength and it gets fire power. and i think that's like deliberate strategy being employed. wife is the law, and i think one very important message we can get from because of the laws approach . and the latest days of escalation is accessible. what a play button up on, you know, who's going to be one, play, mike, israel's rules of will. it will play whiteside will just, which is why you're seeing, you know, these very carefully calibrated responses because nothing was fine. bob beach is to drag because belong to a somewhat rash, a logical reaction. i think is smaller than folding into this truck. so you're going to see more and more of the 3 across management of the water to swap these way to go to goals. and to keep the ard start, because on israel as being the, a logical, irrational stuff rather than just the law,

it's got larger in brussels. here we have this phrase. it takes everything about this complex coming from the united states. and israel is so uh orwellian. they have to deescalate, through escalation, can explain to me what that means, because i have no idea. go ahead. what they, not this get a thing really. they talked about the vision. yeah. but they really off, fox, on the skid 18 by supplying these really 50000 tons of explosive and munitions age. right. is capable of waging war on lab and on and on guys, because they didn't mean that then. yeah, i was told by his chief of staff or tv and he's defense minister. you cannot that they have no objective to fulfilling cause that because they said to free the captives and to defeat from us. but it is about to survive and ultimate then. yeah . and because the philistines are demonized,

and because there is no value for human rights in that of the world, because today is a very easy way for the cities to cross all the lines and find it all into nice and those, then it is enjoying and accountability to do anything talking about us get ation or escalation and the just trying to justify these really crime against humanity was crime. and it them of general side. what's happening in the me these 2 days is a free hand to the body of them into these been i mean that then yeah. who wants to survive at the expense of the life of the philistines and the needs and wants to remain in bala? because the threatened by a far right wing and members of the cabinet that if he stops the war in guys are overlapping and then they will leave him and, and the quotation and the survival of the one man at the end of october 2026 is

costing tens of thousands of slides and the american scale, but also, but we also did keep in mind that even when nothing. yeah, who goes design is project continues unabated with american support unfortunately of read. so, you know, i come across a phrase recently that i think is very interesting to kind of characterize what's going on in that part of the world. the, all the kind of mentioned it. but this is a moral attrition. and who can win that battle of moral attrition? has a mouse is still standing, has the law is still standing? the violence isn't going to destroy them. but what they have is they have a moral code and they have a, a sense of being in fighting this kind of violence and, and, and, and wrong terrorism. go ahead in seattle. i love that are more attrition indeed. i

mean, the more attrition has been taking place in the middle east for a long time. this is what uh, richard polk of the former united nation. yeah. the for to in palestine refers to as the legitimacy were. and he made an argument once in an interview i conducted with him in which he argued that no one in the history of national liberation movements has ever won the village of the best. who war that's ultimately lost the war. you went religion to miss you, will you when the war independence, the news and know that have been use are really the legitimacy war. and this is frightening for as well. and i'm going to go again, you know what eli had said was very interesting. but i feel like this constant attachment between them, you know, when his job and his coalition it's, it's a little bit kind of up it's, it's politically new once correct me. but thank you look, when he still remembers what has happened. 203040 years from now, they're not going to get back to the job. they're going to talk about design this project that has, which are on

a country that feels that it's losing its ability to keep its neighbors ensure and an imperialist american power that is in a state of complete attic. that is what's moved to be remembered. and how mazda inches below, we might be mixing with the names and look for jennifer. ok, whether they don't hold that the i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on israel's forever war. stay with our team. the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power, tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills and is it just as a chosen few. fractured images presented is 1st,

can you see through their illusion going underground can the, what is part of the employee would post that isn't the deepest view of us and building the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without glitches. let's go out of the a welcome act across stock were all things are considered non peter lavelle true menu, we're discussing israel's forever wars. the

. let's go to our guest and they would alley. one of the things that i've been observing over the last year or so is reflecting upon how israel has been able to divide and conquer its neighbors to through sectarianism, supporting various terrace groups. i mean it's, it's got its hands and in every single part as it were. but ever since october of last year, there seems to be a remarkable unification of various different groups that made different different a different on many points. but there is a color let. there are coalescing around the, the absolute need of there's power in numbers and i think that's something that the united states is beginning to fear because, you know, you can buy off this kingdom. you can pay off that president and, and if you, i think, you know, live listening to what king most saying had to say, am jordan at the united nations. now, there was a very power for words. i'm not sure how powerful he is,

but those are words for many people to appreciate. go head alley. well, actually this links up with what i was going to comment on regarding the design of the project, which was raised by my colleagues. it's true, the owner is ready to go inside his honest project, but i think the issue have to focus on with the, not the whole government and when these extreme right wing stickers like smoke, pretend been that be there's that they actually upset to have the deal reset back for american strategy, and they are making israel of keywords of building to, to us. i'd also make use around laws like the various sites. so disliked being government, you know, yes, it does have all these ready government stuff, date of homes on this project. but this one is sort of blogs, so racist as expires before and i make is rarely, much as this, you know, per site gets also struck big. again, this is very important. give subtracting american strategy, american strategy in the region. the, by the investigation, particularly the democrats is for right. obviously, you know, it's about half

a month with what they called. i am altered palestinian authority. normally one more line is ation of times between saudi arabia and israel. that is to democratic parties approach. one thing is ready for writers doing is actually the links of being close to this whole american project. but finding it appears to be stuck in the same circle that's doing damage itself to these american interests. so you know, they're in so that takes me back to your question. i think that because of this government because it sort of racist because of the remarks which we have for people like to have gone to stick it out of here to my animals. that is, i think the effect of uniting the harp street uniting, for example, some of these and she also, yeah, around the same cause about this is what i think what is taking place right now. people, those countries are, might have their own differences, went from us, like jordan, like the way he, because of the outcry from the public,

the diag won't be forced at least any time to change the policy. and if you're going to have been some evidence recently he said he consent, that would be normalize, right? as long as, as long as this current situation continues. so this tells you how much damage this is where the government is doing. so you're wishing chris i'm to use frame itself either takes me back to what ones or colleagues said and you know, focusing on putting a priority on his own personal ambitions instead of his friends earning 1st. one of the also the things that i think there's the way the conflict in the region is unfolding is that, um, nothing yahoo and it needs far right. wingers. this is all an opportunity for them that this isn't opportunity. you have a president of the united states. it is checked out. you have a us secretary of state that seems full way on board with the israeli government. it's an agenda. anthony, blinking is a, is a shameful character. um and it's nothing. yeah. who sees, you know,

this is the opportunity to take care of all problems at the same time. and that makes it very big. and this is the next essential view. because, you know, the united states has shown itself to be shamelessly weak. so this is what makes this so dangerous. go ahead and brussels. i was before the jump on me. i well know what is your nobody's jumped to the, what is the actually the 4th is 4 of the philistines, because these rubies extremely honest with they're not the 77. very good validate who's writing. we don't want a need, but his team. yeah. right. a button is right, the presence of any but his team in is intended to our national security. not do you not if you treat also the 11995 also to 1999. nothing's happened. they should have been given a state and yet the americans with that and did nothing for that. so what's

happening today is the only subjective law space, right? to kick out old, if it is getting it from 1st time, they don't want witness for the history that they have done against it for this evening. the must have because they have committed against them. they want to expand. this is why further than the trump said, all the countries. so timing, he wants to involve us. he's taking the feeling of these really is what the great to is, right? so he is really don't want any one to let them know they don't even the senior slaves date because of the other ones. that's why them them out. and the americans also thinking that they have never ceased to support. ready piece right in or it's just, you know, it rams. it's apparent this week at the united nations general assembly where the united states stands in global public opinion. but it doesn't seem to have an

impact on them. you know, a pack is powerful, money talks. what is it, bob dylan said, money doesn't talk, it screams okay, but they stand alone on the global stage. it's really very shameful, and it will have long term consequences. the legitimacy of the west in the eyes of the world is just about 0. now go ahead, i don't even know if it is much legitimate thing that's for the west, especially the mounted states. after that goes into the side, i don't think if this is just the missing will ever be. it is stored under any circumstance. again, i do believe that the american it needs to be a policies for policies are essentially the same. the proof do that is that when from came and you basically it's of the genie brand new. what is what really wishes in the west bank and so you have the goal that hides the annexation and so forth. the by didn't, administration did not reverse a single thing, right. and the continued to push the normalization between the ups is,

will complete the surpassing the pedestal news. and it's not the reverse, any of the steps taken by that on the administration. this proves that democrats, republicans essentially the same if the new government is indeed creating any kind of disturbance in american foreign policy is just because they are refusing to play the game by the old who do whatever you want. but just pay lip service to piece. so we can move on and just pretend that there's a piece process and i am the one who's managing this piece process in the region. nothing you know, and it is still or so arrogant that they wouldn't even grand american. well, i mean, donald trump even said on the campaign trail, he wants to make israel great again. i don't know what that has to do with a mag agenda. i'm just completely lost here. yeah, only one of the things that we've seen here and i, i'm hoping against hope is that we see what was being, what's being done in gaza. be getting to start in the west bank. is that something

that you worry, that is real, wants to do to lebanon? the difficult, i answer, just the comments and what my company just sort of a difference between democrats and republicans. i think that generally speaking, yes, you do have this top right support because well, there is one fundamental difference not one of especially when you look a trunk. the democrats should focus on having my tele standing and moderate talk. know about us, you know, thought that you did recognize the role for that top republicans, especially the truck when the republican party doesn't recognize at the top. if you were told join, it's from stone. the p. o o office in washington was shot there. yep. so that's mean there was no consistency between the one trunk and that is probably one of the reasons why not the whole because the trunk to come into one of us because you don't believe that trump weren't even the solely raised the issue. i'm a city and state not regarding what you're asked about the west bank. i think that

is indeed a real danger. and i think that's where the ambitions of the far right lights are. the logically speaking the whole, according to the fundamentals designers funding elegy, the website is where the focus is on. yeah, not on god, anywhere else. so i think we are bound to see more and more of the stipulation, especially the war and go to the general escalation, continues. elijah is widely assumed, you know, because you hear things coming out of the israeli government and preparing for a ground war and lab and on. there's may be a ceasefire. no, there won't be a ceasefire with this is this game. they always sending out these mix messages. but how assured are you that if the push comes, this of the u. s. will involve itself heavily into conflict in lebanon. go ahead. there is no conflict that is right and america on the top and it's at the beginning of the war. on the 7th of october, the americans send 2000 of the data. the whole says they've since 5 very it's be in

general is a little fat. they the history days of sent us central command. they change with our nato and the united states, the information intelligence and or level of cooperation between all of them. therefore, we talk to us, there is no b a these read. these are doing exactly what the americans would like to head to every single assassination of a has a lot to manage that they say wanted by the americans, 5000000 rewards on his head. so that is to justify that what we are doing is we are doing the american jobs. in fact, they not doing the american job, they doing it together. and the glock invasion is not the problem with that. so these are really only they going to break that deeds on devin,

any jump i'm in or in the big valley because this is not an easy task to do. that would be confronted with forces that have never been engaged in this will. since the 7th of october, because the special falls as often as not a correction, and this will only be solved units have been working again to the sweeties and entirely a bit of the nissan units. we haven't seen the specialized one, we've seen only one ballistic. besides, we haven't seen more than that, so the war has not began from high school by side. and i think these relays, they are very capable, but they, but they would do a favor for the headphone lobby. so they can become an easy part of it. instead of finding physical the only a from the way and give it to you that way they have something where we're rapidly running out of time. but i think that, you know, we, the, our audience should be aware technology doesn't always win your wars, having more legitimacy put you in a much,

much stronger place. and i think we all know who has the moral legitimacy in this case here. gentlemen, that's all the time we have on a think, my guess in seattle process. russel's and, and a route. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember, across the, the the man or

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